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Sorry, Rob, nice try, but ... you are totally obfuscating here. 

1) Your assumption that any opposition is “disruptive” is downright false.  Wearing a T-shirt or holding a sign is not a disruption - except of Bush’s fantasy that he’s king.  It’s protected free speech.

2)Of course it is free speech violation (not to mention violating the right to assembly) when protesters are caged in areas far away from public events, and when events PAID FOR BY TAXPAYERS are sanitized of any opposition through an organized Gestapo-like policing of the attendees. 

People like you who make excuses for these questionable practices BY our government AGAINST American citizens are the Germans before WWII ... “as long as it isn’t ME whose rights are being violated, I’m okay with it.”

No, free speech isn’t absolute.  Like the shouting “Fire” in a theater thing.  But the President WORKS FOR THE PEOPLE, not vice versa.  He should allow peacable access by all the people, even his opponents.  Maybe ESPECIALLY his opponents, because we are a country of laws, not kings. 

This smacks of imperialism ... which is to be expected from an imperial Executive.  ONE MORE REASON WE NEED TO IMPEACH THIS IDIOT AND HIS CRONIES.

when events PAID FOR BY TAXPAYERS are sanitized of any opposition through an organized Gestapo-like policing of the attendees.

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THe President is a public servant.  He works for us.  Anyone has a Right to take advantage of a public event to meet their president and try to tell them their opinions.

They do not have the right to disrupt the president’s speech, unless they are being suppressed in getting their opinion out.

Clearly this is a manual to suppress not only presenting the president with non-approved opinions and wishes, but also blocking those opinions from contacting any media covering the event.

Collusion between the police and the Whitehouse was also promoted to crush dissent.  And many locals took the crushing far beyond the manual ... an activity clearly promoted b the manual.

This sort of activity isn’t limited to the Republicans.  Just last week in Arizona a similar screening and tossing out of many Democratic activists including former party chairmen were blocked from entering a public, Democratic Party meeting.  The guest?  Secret Service protected Nancy Pelosi.  THe objective?  Same as the Whitehouse:  Keep the Speaker from any contact with dissenters on the war and domestic spying.  Under threat of arrest.

In this country all have the right to speak. I am not aware of anyone with greater speech rights than another.

Who’s your daddy?

1) Your assumption that any opposition is “disruptive” is downright false.  Wearing a T-shirt or holding a sign is not a disruption - except of Bush’s fantasy that he’s king.  It’s protected free speech.

I wasn’t talking about t-shirts.  I actually posted about the t-shirt case the other day and said that removing people from events because of a non-obscene political statement on a t-shirt is unacceptable.

What I am talking about is going to an event with the intent to disrupt.  That is not protected speech.  Never has been, never will be.  People are removed from events, both public and private, for disrupting all the time.

2)Of course it is free speech violation (not to mention violating the right to assembly) when protesters are caged in areas far away from public events, and when events PAID FOR BY TAXPAYERS are sanitized of any opposition through an organized Gestapo-like policing of the attendees.

Time and place limitations on free speech have long been upheld by the courts.  It doesn’t matter if an event is paid for by the taxpayers or not, you do not have the right to disrupt it.

Poodle,

In this country all have the right to speak. I am not aware of anyone with greater speech rights than another.

That’s the kind of vapid, shallow analysis you liberals are famous for.  Nobody’s free speech is greater than anybody else’s.  But they are equal, and yours can’t trump mine either.  Or the President’s.

If the President is giving a speech, you don’t have the right to go into his venue and disrupt it.  Just as I wouldn’t have the right to go into a Hillary Clinton speech and disrupt that.

It’s just common sense.  But hey, when it comes to hating Bush I guess that doesn’t apply.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

Rob’s recently listened-to songs:

If the President is giving a speech, you don’t have the right to go into his venue and disrupt it.

Yes I do.
America is about speaking up.

Presidents are not Kings and
they ain’t your daddy.

Yes I do.

No, you don’t moron.  Which is why the drag idiots like you out of the audience.

You want to make a speech?  Put out a press release, get yourself a podium and make one.  You can even say anything you want.  But “free speech” does not mean shouting down the free speech of others.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

Rob’s recently listened-to songs:

THe President is a public servant.  He works for us.  Anyone has a Right to take advantage of a public event to meet their president and try to tell them their opinions.

Right! You also have the Right to bear arms! (That’s written in the Constitution!)Be sure to take your Constitutionally protected firearm with you when you go to see the President! Let me know how that works out for you!

Trolls. It’s what’s for breakfast!
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Woof: From Washington to Lincoln and perhaps a bit beyond, people could go in the White House unmolested and gripe to the President. But, the world has turned over many times since then and I regret to say it has become very much more violent, and as a result we simply cannot afford to expose our President to any more risk of life and limb than is absolutely necessary. When people say or do things that are inappropriate and appear to be emotionally unstable people, the Secret Service must remove them and find out what their intentions are or the nation will pay the price if they are complacent.

These people do have Free political Speech Rights and that means at a safe distance from the President they can express their views, no matter how uncivil and fight to change the system. It is only when they present a possible risk to the President, and I admit that is often a judgment call, they must surrender those Free Speech right temporarily until a more appropriate time and place.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

When a President appears in the kitchen
he needs to be ready for the heat.
We are not serfs.
The Secret Svc did not stop people from coming to events or remove them, Whitehouse operatives did.

I think this story is about three things: The Bushies’ authoritarian tendencies and Bush’s intellectual and emotional stability.
Politicians love to control the message and the environment in which it’s given, but the Bushies carry this to extremes, particularly by using (often false) arrest, confrontation, and intimidation to control their message. Is any conservative willing to defend “free speech zones”? How about calling meetings “open to the public” and then removing anyone who’s not clearly a supporter? Personally, I think the whole country’s a free speech zone, but Bush’s people don’t agree.
Bush’s public appearances are virtually the only way ordinary Americans can make themselves heard by the President, and Bush almost never hears from anyone who’s not in agreement with him. There’s a reason one of Bush’s nicknames by the Left is “Bubble Boy.” Bush has shown over and over that he doesn’t handle argument or criticism well; he tends to lose his temper and his ability to string words together. His outbursts are legendary in the White House, and when he was debating John Kerry, there was that little box that looked like a receiver under the left shoulder of his jacket…
I think Bush’s handlers have sold him short by keeping him so insulated. Bush hasn’t developed the thick skin and quick feet that most politicians do, and Bush’s isolation from the country hasn’t helped his administration at all. Remember, he wasn’t shown footage of Katrina’s damage until days after the storm, and his slow, ham-handed response became a debacle. But all this is part of a Republican mindset that says “we’ll do what we want, no matter what anyone says.” Eventually, that strategy runs into walls.

Okay, two things.
Also, “dirty hippies?” You’re dating yourself.

I think this story is about three things: The Bushies’ authoritarian tendencies and Bush’s intellectual and emotional stability.

So when Clinton did the same thing it was different.

How about Memorial Day 1993 I believe when President Clinton moved the Vietnam Vets from in front of the Vietnam Memorial so he’d have his sycophants in the front section?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

When a President appears in the kitchen
he needs to be ready for the heat.

When cliches are outlawed, only outlaws will use clitches!

We are not serfs.

Tell you what. Next time you want to observe your “right to disrupt” (it’s hard to even type that with a straight face!) buy a movie ticket, so that you have every right to be in the theater, and loudly heckle the actors on screen. See how that works out for you.

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buy a movie ticket, so that you have every right to be in the theater, and loudly heckle the actors on screen. See how that works out for you.

You should see a movie in the inner city....they exercise free speech and aren’t arrested.

The lefties have confused group entitlements with individual rights.  The Constitution describes our individual rights; nowhere does it even mention group entitlements.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

No, it wasn’t OK when Clinton did it and it’s not OK when the boy emperor does it.

The reason people want to go disrupt his speech is because his words are torture to those like me who have a very limited capacity for hypocrisy.
His policies and his administration also happened to have brought the world to the brink of self-destruction, and idiot enablers like you aren’t
helping by supporting and even encouraging the subversion of the Constitution.

Here, Henry says it best:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut9-hgFbJWs

P.S. Don’t you think it’s pretty tired by now to always bring up Clinton to defend EVERYTHING Bush does?  It’s been nearly 8 years now...can’t you
come up with a valid argument already?

Don’t you think it’s pretty tired by now to always bring up Clinton to defend EVERYTHING Bush does?  It’s been nearly 8 years now

No, but it’s amazing that anyone over 8 yrs. old could have forgotten that Clinton was guilty of the same things, unless they are seriously deluded or hopelessly partisan!

Trolls. It’s what’s for breakfast!
And then I eat their lunch.

No, it wasn’t OK when Clinton did it and it’s not OK when the boy emperor does it.

“the boy emperor”?  Just another BDS sufferer.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

"NoOneYouKnow” rambles, His outbursts are legendary in the White House, and when he was debating John Kerry, there was that little box that looked like a receiver under the left shoulder of his jacket…

Kook alert!

Remember, he wasn’t shown footage of Katrina’s damage until days after the storm, and his slow, ham-handed response became a debacle.

It wasn’t his response that was slow. The feds aren’t allowed to go into a state until INVITED.

Carry on, ya disingenuous partisan twit.

it wasn’t OK when Clinton did it and it’s not OK when the boy emperor does it.

his words are torture to those like me who have a very limited capacity for hypocrisy

And yet, you make the most of your capacity! Kudos!

Trolls. It’s what’s for breakfast!
And then I eat their lunch.

...his words are torture to those like me who have a very limited capacity for hypocrisy.

Yes, it’s all about your feelings, isn’t it?  As far as hypocrisy is concerned, the mention of Clinton is the illustration of leftie hypocrisy on the subject.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

His policies and his administration also happened to have brought the world to the brink of self-destruction, and idiot enablers like you aren’t
helping by supporting and even encouraging the subversion of the Constitution

Obviously you are one of the most demented liberals (and what liberal is not demented) that has ever posted here.  Your weak grasp on reality shows that you are badly in need of medical care (or) you need to spend less time at DKos reading the posting of their virulent insane commentors.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

The right of free speech isn’t an entitlement; the individual is responsible for what he or she says.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

Ironically, political dissent is exactly the free speach issue that the framers wanted to guarantee.

They did not intend to give you the right to spew venom against any group or spout obscene language.

They exclusively wanted anyone to be able to put a soap box down in the middle of any where, climb on top of it, and speak out against what the government was doing.

Bush is again violating the free speach and freedom of the press Constitutional rights of those who would speak out against him. When these protestors are arrested, it is no less of a crime than those committed by the Nazis, Maoists, and Stalinists.

If you are an American, you will protect the right of these people to speak their piece and dsplay their signs.

They exclusively wanted anyone to be able to put a soap box down in the middle of any where, climb on top of it, and speak out against what the government was doing.

Anywhere? For the most part, this is still true. However, try it in some Mall, the Oval Office, Fort Knox, Kennedy’s Hyannis Port compound, my living room...your freedom is by no means absolute!
As a matter of fact, if you try my living room, say at 2:00 in the morning, set down your soapbox and start to speak. Ignore the noise that sounds like the racking of a 12 gauge! You and I both have rights, you see!

Trolls. It’s what’s for breakfast!
And then I eat their lunch.

If dealing with hippies is the issue then this is an easy problem to resolve. Just put up a fence circle in an area far away from where the president will be and tell them they can have a marijuana free protest zone inside the fence if they agree to stay inside the perimeter.

They wont leave and they will be doing what they do naturally plus they will be so stoned they’ll forget why they came.

If these policies were about keeping the crowd quiet while Bush spoke then why are there suggestions for keeping dissenters away from the motorcade and the media?

Bush is again violating the free speach and freedom of the press Constitutional rights of those who would speak out against him.

You make this idiotic statement in the face of the fact that the entire MSM(TV, newspapers) has waged a relentless jihad against him since 2000, including the exposure of secret terrorist monitoring programs.  Free speech requires responsibility for the consequences of that free speech; it’s not an entitlement to spew any old hate and lies without the consequences of doing so.
Individual rights are guaranteed by our Constitution; group entitlements are not.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

If dealing with hippies is the issue then this is an easy problem to resolve. Just put up a fence circle in an area far away from where the president will be and tell them they can have a free marijuana protest zone inside the fence if they agree to stay inside the perimeter.

Fixed it!

The Universe Doesn’t Care If You’re Having Fun - Larry Niven

Never Waste Calories. - Fuzzy Pink

Why does this thread make me think of her?

Trolls. It’s what’s for breakfast!
And then I eat their lunch.

Perhaps, because it contains female anatomy and you think of lil’ else?

Ugh.  This is why it’s pointless to try to argue with so-called “conservatives”, most of whom are intellectually immature (I submit the above replies).

You may as well just require registration before allowing people to post messages, and only open the registration every once in a while to keep us “liberal” trolls at bay.  Like all the other islands of democracy on this repressive liberal internets.

There is no hope for you people.  Everything is about Clinton to you (either one).  Whenever Bush fucks up (i.e. everyday), you fucking morons find some way to blame the Clintons, or to bitch that the Clintons did it too and “you liberals didn’t speak up then”.

FUCK LIBERALS.

And FUCK YOU too!

You’re both a bunch of fucking morons so don’t lecture to me.  I wasn’t for what Clinton did while he was in office and I am certainly not for what this current dickweed is doing.  And on balance, this current dickweed has been by far more damaging to this country than what you perceive the previous dickweed could ever be.

In THIS particular case since I’m talking to a bevy of (so called) Conservative dweebs, my comments reflect the real problems that currently plague us, which is a (so called) “Conservative” “president” (who certainly is not, on both terms) who has taken this country into a disastrous war in violation of the Constitution by which we all abide, and not only that but proceeded to gut the Bill of Rights paragraph by paragraph.  But that doesn’t matter, right?  No!  All of that is negligible to Bill Fucking Clinton getting head while he was talking on the phone to Trent Lott.  Oohhh, the horror!  My GOD!  A BLOW JOB!  And he LIED about it in court!  HOLY CHRIST!!!

How, tell me HOW, is a lie about a blowjob equivalent in Constitutional horror to making a false case for war and then initiating that war despite the overwhelming opposition of WE THE PEOPLE, and then as if that wasn’t bad enough, bungling that war so horribly that billions of dollars (and ultimately trillions) have been wasted, lost, embezzled, etc. and HUNDREDS of thousands of civilians have been killed and MILLIONS displaced.

YEAH.  THAT’S PRETTY FUCKING HORRIBLE, LYING ABOOT A BLOW JOB.

So you’ll excuse me if I’m not particularly impressed by the boy emporer, nor am I impressed with the sophomoric rhetoric here, and I’m certainly not impressed with the total lack of concern over the usurpation of your supposedly God-given rights (or is Bush greater than God?) Nor am I very surprised for that matter.  You people have shown a propensity during these past few years to acquiesce your freedoms for a little bit of safety (follow the link) so it’s no longer surprising when your reaction to something like this is to roll over and expose your soft, furry bellies.

Pathetic!

Grow some fucking testicles and speak out for your fucking rights.  Bush has already absconded with Habeus Corpus.  That’s a pretty extraordinary thing.  What if he came for your guns?  What would you gun-loving conservatives do then?  You don’t think he will?  I’ll bet you didn’t think he would try to take Habeus Corpus, did you?  Will you just hand them over, with your warm, limp hand?

GROW SOME TESTICLES!  AND A BRAIN WHILE YOU’RE AT IT!

. . . and START DRINKING DECAF fer chrissakes.

Just another BDS sufferer.

Ugh.  Quoting a Krauthammer neologism?  Crass.  Do you know that guy is crippled?  And I don’t mean about his not being able to walk.  He’s a living corpse.

No, actually I am suffering from patriotism.  Go re-read your Revolutionary history and then tell me, who sounds more like the early patriots: you or I?  Get a clue.

This guy is comparing
his war to Vietnam but with a positive spin.  A
positive spin, for fuck’s sake!  To Vietnam!  Do you people have no sense of irony?

Verily, I am astonished.

Ugh.  This is why it’s pointless to try to argue with so-called “conservatives”, most of whom are intellectually immature (I submit the above replies).

And yet, the irony of his own obvious immaturity is lost on him.

who sounds more like the early patriots: you or I?

Oh yeah . . . you’re a patriot. Using profanity as if you were a character on South Park does not, in fact, make you just like Thomas Jefferson.

Hate to be the one to break it to you, pal.

And on balance, this current dickweed has
been by far more damaging to this country than what you perceive the previous dickweed could ever be.

Thanks for a perfect example of BDS, followed by another perfect example, this time of CDS(conservative derangement syndrome).  I guess your rage will subside when we are all subservient to Marxist ideology.  Don’t hold your breath.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

abraham: FYI, Clinton was almost totally corrupt; he took campaign money from the Chinese Army, and had our soldiers defending the Islamists in Bosnia.  He also really committed perjury and suborned perjury, for which he did no time.  Scooter Libbey is threatened with more time for having a bad memory about a non-crime.  As far as lying us into a useless war, Clinton takes the cake there, too.  He lied to the American people about mass graves(which were never found) to deceive America that some mass genocide was going on in Bosnia, when it wasn’t.  In fact, the real genocide was going on in Iraq.  Do hypocrisy much?
Give it a rest; you won’t sell your leftie lies here.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

abraham: FYI, Clinton was almost totally corrupt; he took campaign money from the Chinese Army, and had our soldiers defending the Islamists in Bosnia.

What did I just finish saying?  “It’s all Clinton’s fault!  He lied about a blowjob!  He raped my dog!”

I swear to god this guy is not my shill.

And then there’s this:

Clinton takes the cake there, too.  He lied to the American people about mass graves(which were never found) to deceive America that some mass genocide was going on in Bosnia, when it wasn’t.

Replace “Clinton” with “Bush” and “Bosnia” with “Iraq”.

I rest my case.

P.S. While you were busy blaming Clinton, a soldier in Iraq died in vain.

Thanks for a perfect example of BDS, followed by another perfect example, this time of CDS(conservative derangement syndrome).

Here’s one for you: CAS - Contrived Acronym Syndrome.

Ron Paul is a Conservative.  You people are not.

Oh yeah . . . you’re a patriot. Using profanity as if you were a character on South Park does not, in fact, make you just like Thomas Jefferson.

Yes, focus on the most irrelevant aspects of what I say because otherwise you’d actually have to try to respond to me.

Grow up.

Read your history.

Wearing a T-Shirt that says “Dubya Is Worse Than AIDS, Hitler and Katrina Combined” is not the same as shouting while the moron is giving a folksy, down home, completely unpresidential speech. Someone shouting while a president of any party is speaking should be dragged out by their hair. Someone wearing a t-shirt expressing their opinion and not being disruptive can, should, MUST be permitted to be seen by the Emperor. Anything less is completely, totally unAmerican.

"Hippie” phobia?

Stuck in sixties, much, dude?

Ron Paul is a Conservative. You people are not.

Another lie from you.  Ron Paul is a reactionary, and a particularly stupid one, at that.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

Replace “Clinton” with “Bush” and “Bosnia” with “Iraq”.

Another lie from you.  We found Saddam’s mass graves; those claimed by Clinton were never found.  Big difference; Clinton lied(as usual) and our President told the truth.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

Another lie from you.  We found Saddam’s mass graves; those claimed by Clinton were never found.  Big difference; Clinton lied(as usual) and our President told the truth.

No one said Saddam didn’t have mass graves, it’s the magical WMDs that we did not find.  You know the WMD’s that scared the U.S. public into wanting to go to war with Iraq because they did not want the “smoking gun” to be a “mushroom” cloud.

You have no argument so you scrape what little tidbits of information you have and throw it out there acting like it is intelligent.

cute, now let the adults talk.

Abraham,

Since most will not follow your link, I took the liberty to post the content

AUTHOR: Benjamin Franklin (1706–90)
QUOTATION: Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
ATTRIBUTION: BENJAMIN FRANKLIN, Pennsylvania Assembly: Reply to the Governor, November 11, 1755.—The Papers of Benjamin Franklin, ed. Leonard W. Labaree, vol. 6, p. 242 (1963).

This quotation, slightly altered, is inscribed on a plaque in the stairwell of the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty: “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
SUBJECTS: Liberty
BIOGRAPHY: Columbia Encyclopedia
WORKS: Benjamin Franklin Collection

You know the WMD’s that scared the U.S. public into wanting to go to war with Iraq because they did not want the “smoking gun” to be a “mushroom” cloud.

Keep weaseling, dude.  Every prominent Dem preached that gospel in the late Nineties, when they were in power; they just were too cowardly to act on it.  Now, after Saddam had more than a year to ship them to Syria(the most probable location), you want to claim that the President lied; that also means all your leftie Dem politicians lied as well.  You fail to mention that.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

dallas: Like most of your persuasion, you are confused about two things: One, you confuse individual rights with group entitlements; Two, you confuse liberty with license.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

Like most of your persuasion, you are confused about two things: One, you confuse individual rights with group entitlements; Two, you confuse liberty with license.

WTF?

I never mention anything about rights entitlement liberty or license in this thread.  I just posted a quote from Thomas Jefferson and smacked you on your weak cherry-picked argument.

Your problem is that when you can’t make an argument you make up and LIE about what someone said.

Saddam had more than a year to ship them to Syria(the most probable location),

After all this, you are a conspiracy nut to.  You are the gift that keeps on giving to us true liberals.  You are no better that the nut jobs who insist that 9/11 was an inside job. 

You should probably do research and get facts to back-up your opinion, because your “you lie” argument is pretty played out.

You should probably do research and get facts to back-up your opinion, because your “you lie” argument is pretty played out.

Your lies are completely played out.
I didn’t realize you had such a comprehension problem.  Since this thread contained a “right” argument(Free Speech), I revealed the leftie confusion about regarding individual rights and group entitlements, which explains the leftie outrage at being held responsible for the consequences for their behavior.
When you attempted to use Ben Franklin’s words about liberty, I called you on your conflating liberty with license.  Sorry that went over your head.  You might want to see a doctor for those cerebral hemmorhoids.

In case you missed that one:

Main Entry: hem·or·rhoid
Pronunciation: ‘hem-"roid, ‘he-m&-
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English emeroides, plural, from Anglo-French emorroides, from Latin haemorrhoidae, from Greek haimorrhoides, from haimorrhoos flowing with blood, from haimo- hem- + rhein to flow—more at STREAM
: a mass of dilated veins in swollen tissue at the margin of the anus or nearby within the rectum—usually used in plural; called also piles

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

leftie outrage at being held responsible for the consequences for their behavior.

Being arrested for wearing a T-shirt?

If that is OK, then you are completely deranged.

Being arrested for wearing a T-shirt?

Again, you cherry-pick to obscure the truth.  In reality, those people went there to interfere with the President’s free speech rights, and intended to deny the American public the right to hear his words.  If free speech was what they really wanted, they could have spoken either before or after he spoke, or in another place, but instead, they chose to disrupt, and they got the consequences of their actions.  Stop lying.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

Once again with the “you lie” argument. 

The “Presidential Advance Manual,” dated October 2002 with the stamp “Sensitive—Do Not Copy,” was released under subpoena to the American Civil Liberties Union as part of a lawsuit filed on behalf of two people arrested for refusing to cover their anti-Bush T-shirts at a Fourth of July speech at the West Virginia State Capitol in 2004.

This is what I was referring to, a quote from the ORIGINAL POST.  How is that cherry-picking? 

If free speech was what they really wanted, they could have spoken either before or after he spoke, or in another place, but instead, they chose to disrupt, and they got the consequences of their actions.  Stop lying.

Who, what, where, when?  You have yet to cite a source or give an example of anything (except hemmorhoids).  Why don’t you stick to the topic and address the above quote (from the original post).  Or use your walnut-size brain and call me a liar—again.  After all, that would be easier for someone with you mental ability.

Ok, robert108, you win.  I simply can’t complete with your level of stupidity.

Ok, robert108, you win. I simply can’t complete with your level of stupidity.

Like most lefties, you can’t handle the truth.

Lefties lie; it’s all they have.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

I simply can’t complete with your level of stupidity.

Gee! I thought he was competing nicely!

Trolls. It’s what’s for breakfast!
And then I eat their lunch.

r108,

What’s the matter?  Don’t you have the brains to respond to my argument.

Nevermind, I lie....there I made it for you.

Hey Goofboy,
I hope you are not as stupid as your avatar looks… actually you must be to be backing up this fool (r108).

Ya’ll must be a package deal.

goofboy,

I am proud of you for taking the time to quip with the adults, now go back to stroking it to internet porn.

perv

dallas: What argument?  All you have is personal attack, stale leftie talking points and lies.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

this argument idiot:

The “Presidential Advance Manual,” dated October 2002 with the stamp “Sensitive—Do Not Copy,” was released under subpoena to the American Civil Liberties Union as part of a lawsuit filed on behalf of two people arrested for refusing to cover their anti-Bush T-shirts at a Fourth of July speech at the West Virginia State Capitol in 2004.

Is being arrested for wearing a t-shirt banning free speech?

I can cut and paste all night while you dodge questions like a coward.

“If free speech was what they really wanted, they could have spoken either before or after he spoke, or in another place, but instead, they chose to disrupt, and they got the consequences of their actions.  Stop lying.”

Who, what, where, when?  You have yet to cite a source or give an example of anything (except hemmorhoids).  Why don’t you stick to the topic and address the above quote (from the original post).  Or use your walnut-size brain and call me a liar—again.  After all, that would be easier for someone with you mental ability.

Once again you don’t have the balls to answer the argument.  You have no sources or citations.

Actually, I will make your argument for you.... “liar..duh”.  That is all you are good for. I can PROVE that statement by simply cutting and pasting your previous post.

you, are and idiot.  Not only for your stupid views, but because you lack the brains to make a sensible argument.

dallas: Your level of “argument” reveals your level of intelligence, for all to see.  If you’re not embarrassed by your obvious need to use ad hominem in place of any facts/logic, it wouldn’t surprise me.

The President has made all the arrangements for a speech, and these haters want to disrupt his free speech rights, claiming an entitlement to say anything they want at any time, with no responsibility for the consequences.  That certainly sounds like group entitlement to me, not the responsibility of individual rights.
I made this argument a while back, but it went right over your head, and confused you.  Hope you got it this time.  Duh.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

Once again you dodge the question.  I specifically referred to the two people who wore anti-Bush T-shirts and were arrested for it.  Not those who yell and scream and actively disrupt.  Most will agree a disruption will get you kick out of anywhere.  But a T-shirt, doesn’t disrupt a thing, the administration just doesn’t agree with the statement so they has them arrested.

Those two who were arrested for those T-shirts were not interrupting the president.  As for individual rights, every member in a group still has them, so you group entitlement statement is just not valid.

Here is another example, note the “obscene” shirts that they got kicked out for and almost arrested.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1015-06.htm

Silencing free speech and expression is becoming to commonplace with the Bush administration.

furthermore, the people were wearing T-shirts at a rally at a STATE CAPITOL.  That is a Public Building.

Here is what was stated on the shirts:

The front of the Ranks’ homemade T-shirts bore the international symbol for “no” superimposed over the word “Bush.” The back of Nicole Rank’s T-shirt said “Love America, Hate Bush.” On the back of Jeffery Rank’s T-shirt was the message “Regime Change Starts at Home.”

I don’t care for the ACLU, but I am glad they were involved in this case...the Ranks settled for $80,000 from the Feds.