Shocker: Rich People Work More Than Poor People

A shocker not so much for most conservatives but rather for the liberal faithful and their political leaders who perpetuate this myth about hard-working blue collar slaves who toil so that America’s rich elite can spend all their time at country clubs.

Perhaps for the first time since we’ve kept track of such things, higher-income folks work more hours than lower-wage earners do. Since 1980, the number of men in the bottom fifth of the income ladder who work long hours (over 49 hours per week) has dropped by half, according to a study by the economists Peter Kuhn and Fernando Lozano. But among the top fifth of earners, long weeks have increased by 80 percent.
This is a stunning moment in economic history: At one time we worked hard so that someday we (or our children) wouldn’t have to. Today, the more we earn, the more we work, since the opportunity cost of not working is all the greater (and since the higher we go, the more relatively deprived we feel).
In other words, when we get a raise, instead of using that hard-won money to buy “the good life,” we feel even more pressure to work since the shadow costs of not working are all the greater.

The idea that the most successful Americans are also the hardest working Americans shouldn’t really shock anyone. We do, in fact, live in a meritocracy. Not a perfect one. There will always be cronyism and nepotism and greed, but generally speaking if you work hard in America you’ll get ahead.
Which is anathema for liberals, whose entire political ideology is based on the idea that we’re all victims and that only an omnipotent government can help us lead happy lives.

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  • http://Array robert108

    I just ignored it because it was not relevant to my question or the conversation.

    It was the answer to your question, as asked; if you are really trying to say something else, why not be honest and come right out with it?
    Why do you mention Atlas Shrugged? Is this a clue to your real agenda? What is in your imagination here?
    I’ll give you the answer again: The fact that the most productive segment of our economy not only produces more, but works longer hours, shows that our system can adapt to the socialist pressures put on it. It does so by rewarding productivity. As the rest of the workforce slacks, the productive do what is necessary to keep things going.
    Hope you got it this time, but I suspect you are looking for an answer the fits your agenda, not the actual facts of the matter.

  • Samantha Joy

    You’re presenting this as a “duh” moment, while ignoring the first line in your quote.

    Perhaps for the first time since we’ve kept track of such things, higher-income folks work more hours than lower-wage earners do.

    If this is being presented as a given, how do you account for the fact that this is the first time this has been true in a quarter century?

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    Thank goodness for affirmative action! NOT!!!!!

  • Samantha Joy

    OK Robert. I get it. The answer you’re giving to my question is “This is the first time in more than a quarter century that high wage earners have worked more hours than low wage earners because the hours worked by a burger flipper and an engineer are not of equal value, either to the individuals involved or to the economy in general.”

    I’m telling you this doesn’t answer my question because it doesn’t make sense to anyone who does not share your assumptions that there are “socialist pressures” being put on the economy. If anything, the Republican presidents who have proposed budgets for 20 of the last 28 years have been, in general, lowering taxes, dropping the level of social services, deregulating industries, and generally slowly unraveling any social safety net. Whether I, or you, agree with these policies is not the point: They certainly don’t spell out “socialism.”

    I brought up “Atlas Shrugged” because it couldn’t be more obvious where your political views come from if you had a user icon of yourself dry-humping Ayn Rand’s leg.

    And I am fed up with you because you are so narrow minded as to assume that I am coming from a position of “class based envy” because I dared question something that you, for whatever reason, consider to be self evident. I’m not interested in having conversations with people who consider anyone who disagrees with them to be inherently wrong and in need of being battered into submission by sarcasm.

    So, please, would anyone other than R please take up the mantle here?

  • Jerry

    U.S.A.
    Work = Money
    Work hard = more Money
    Work hard & Smart = more & more money

    No work = No money

    Get a Job

  • Samantha Joy

    Yes, thank you, Robert, for pointing out that the working hour of an engineer has more value than the working hour of a burger flipper.

    But this revelation did not answer my question, which was “how do you account for the fact that this is the first time this has been true in a quarter century?”

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    I Am Shocked!!!

  • http://www.sayanythingblog.com/ electnixon

    Conservative reads this and say “duh”

    Liberals read this and say “I hope Obama will do something to change that”

    He’s all about hope and change.

  • MikeAdamson

    I was surprised to hear that the normal relationship between income and hours worked appears to be changing. I suppose it might make sense if higher income types have to work more in order to service their increased debt load and to compensate for their lower savings rate. That seems truer to me than the increased opportunity cost of not working although I’m certainly no expert.

  • http://bullwinkleblog.com/ Bullwinkle

    It turns out that poor people substitute whining for hard work then complain that the man is keeping them down with nepotism. And even lamely suggest that sexism is involved. What a whiny, lazy little bitch.

  • robert108

    But this revelation did not answer my question, which was “how do you account for the fact that this is the first time this has been true in a quarter century?”

    Read everything I wrote; it’s in there.

    Even so, the more productive members of our economy are also working more hours, which is evidence of how much the productive are carrying the rest.

    It’s the redistribution, as I explained already. Not only are the achievers producing more value, we’re working more hours. Get it now?
    Maybe you just reacted before you read and understood what I wrote; you also missed this:

    The hours worked by a burger flipper and an engineer are not of equal value, either to the individuals involved or to the economy in general.

    I highlighted the part you missed. In a free country, your brand of class envy thinking is inappropriate. Our system works better without it.

  • http://www.sayanythingblog.com/ electnixon

    Way to cherry pick there spark plug.

    Your comment states essentially the same thing as Rob’s post. Except you add the class warfare shtick. If you’d bothered to read the entire thing:

    …We do, in fact, live in a meritocracy. Not a perfect one. There will always be cronyism and nepotism and greed, but generally speaking if you work hard in America you’ll get ahead.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Obama wants to put everyone out of work. That’ll make everything fair.

  • robert108

    SJ: Why so angry? Inconvenient truth?

  • http://bullwinkleblog.com/ Bullwinkle

    If anything, the Republican presidents who have proposed budgets for 20 of the last 28 years have been, in general, lowering taxes, dropping the level of social services, deregulating industries, and generally slowly unraveling any social safety net.

    I believe proposed is the operative word here.

    social safety net = welfare

    If more people read and understood Atlas Shrugged instead of engaging in class warfare the ‘unraveling’ of the social safety net wouldn’t be a problem. If more people worked as hard as they bitched about someone having more than they do we wouldn’t have a problem.

    Some people prefer to whine, the rest of learned long ago that jealousy and envy are the tools of the lazy and don’t accomplish anything. Work accomplishes things.

    In case you are wondering I never even heard of Ayn Rand or her books until I was in my 30′s. I was too busy working. And EARNING my keep.

  • http://bullwinkleblog.com/ Bullwinkle

    Atlas Shrugged is a how-to manual. Anyone who thinks otherwise or that it shouldn’t be is either a moron, a moonbat (I know, same thing) or an envy-driven class warrior 9I know, again). Could be that they haven’t read it too, but you’ll never get anyone on the left to admit that they haven’t read it, analyzed it and found it completely wrong.

  • robert108

    The answer you’re giving to my question is “This is the first time in more than a quarter century that high wage earners have worked more hours than low wage earners because the hours worked by a burger flipper and an engineer are not of equal value, either to the individuals involved or to the economy in general.”

    Nope. That’s not my answer; I have given it to you enough times already; I don’t think you are emotionally ready for the truth here.

    I brought up “Atlas Shrugged” because it couldn’t be more obvious where your political views come from if you had a user icon of yourself dry-humping Ayn Rand’s leg.

    I have never read the book. I have read Marx extensively, though, so I can see right through you. Your prejudices are obvious. Be content in your ignorance.
    If you ever decide to learn something, crack a basic econ book. Read Milt Friedman. He worked for the New Deal until he saw the light.

    You have a lot to learn, SJ, but I’m afraid your prejudiced mind is unable to absorb much real knowledge.

  • Samantha Joy

    Oh for crying out loud, Robert, I didn’t *miss* anything you said. I just ignored it because it was not relevant to my question or the conversation.

    And, no, you haven’t actually answered my question. Perhaps you’re seeing your answer in the same place where you’re seeing evidence of “my brand of class envy thinking,” which is also non-existent.

    Would anyone except Robert like to have a go at this? Perhaps someone who doesn’t consider Atlas Shrugged to be a how-to manual?

  • robert108

    Since the metric is “hours worked” and not the level of productivity, that might explain it to you. The hours worked by a burger flipper and an engineer are not of equal value, either to the individuals involved or to the economy in general. Even so, the more productive members of our economy are also working more hours, which is evidence of how much the productive are carrying the rest.
    Not only is it a “duh” moment to the max, but it illustrates how the redistributionists look upon the productive sector of our economy as a cash cow.

  • world

    people need to realize the value of their product. Know that the laws do not justify, unless you are in a union. It works to help people to make a correct wage for the work that one does. I feel for you when you are not in a good union, I feel for you at all times, beyond what union is.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    Rob

    Is it nepotism if the relative you promote is qualified?

    Depends on the situation.

    Is it sexism if you choose a man over a woman because he is more qualified than her?

    Clearly it isn’t.

    I don’t think America’s most successful people get that way by hiring their retarded nephews, or refusing to hired better qualified employees because of their gender or race.

    Success and money are entrenched. There are exceptions to that rule, but I speak from specific experience. My wife attended one of the best law schools in the world and went through the interviewing and hiring process. We were surprised when we compared the male-female and white-minority ratios at the leading firms. We ate dinner with many of these firms and listened to them talk about their hiring of such-and-such a famous or rich person’s son, etc. At interviews, which are done en masse at the school during the beginning of the ’2L’ and ’3L’ years, people who’s daddies worked at firms were, surprisingly, more apt to get ‘call backs’ and ‘offers’. Moreover, people who went to private high schools or grew up in Rye, NY or Greenwich, CT were also had an advantage, callback-wise. Its like getting onto a journal, credentials wise, but proves nothing about competency. Women who do become associates do not get promoted to partner as fast as men or as often as men. The moral of the story is…

    It didn’t bother us because she found a firm who is more interested in merit than a rich upbringing and familial connections. Hard work works, but some have to work harder for no relevant reasons… In fact, we get a kick out of the fact that, when one of those privileged kids goes up against my wife in some legal matter, they will get their ass kicked by a formerly poor, minority female. Stuff like that messes with the chauvinist, nepotists all the more.

    Get some.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    We do, in fact, live in a meritocracy.

    Sure, we do. Its just that private highschool gets you into better colleges which get you better jobs. To deny the nepotism and sexism which are especially present among the more wealthy occupations in our society is folly.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    To deny the nepotism and sexism which are especially present among the more wealthy occupations in our society is folly.

    Is it nepotism if the relative you promote is qualified? Is it sexism if you choose a man over a woman because he is more qualified than her?

    I don’t think America’s most successful people get that way by hiring their retarded nephews, or refusing to hired better qualified employees because of their gender or race.

  • WOOFX

    Now look at them yo-yo’s that’s the way you do it

    You play the guitar on the MTV

    That ain’t workin’ that’s the way you do it

    Money for nothin’ and chicks for free

    Now that ain’t workin’ that’s the way you do it

    Lemme tell ya them guys ain’t dumb

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