Shocker: Released Guantanamo Detainee Now The Head Of Yemen Al Qaeda Cell

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Debate is not about who can use spell check most frequently dfwpike.

If you go down that road, you will just end up being another Simple Proof.

Hannitized

Simple Proof shows us he can not offer a syllogism, or counter argument…so he lies.

Rush said nothing about Afghanistan or Iraq,

Watch it again punk.

WATCH AS RUSH ROOTS FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE USA TO FAIL:

RUSH: “He’s not going to saddle himself with defeat in Afghanistan and Iraq, I can’t believe that he will willingly release people in Guantamo who will come back and revisit the terrorist acts in this country. Not on his watch, they would love surrender in Iraq when it is on Bush’s shoulders”.

He then is asked if he want him to fail and Rush says if he goes forward with leftist agenda, he would want him to fail.

So….you are pretty much screwed.

pparets

1. No

2. Yes

I just don’t agree with him much of the time.

Now, a question for you.

Do you really belive that Limbaugh wants us to lose in Iraq and Afghanistan?

ellinas

Ya know, when you take a terrorist piece of shit like this one and are unable to hang it by the neck until dead, ya keep it in prison, so it does not go on to a further career as a terrorist piece of shit. Right wing nuts are not intelligent enough to figure that out.

http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

And in the studies that show people are actually migrating to areas where people think like they do.

Yeah! People like me who moved to California to be with the rest of the conservatives! Heh.

dfwpike

Hannitized knows a little about a lot of things, but is unable to discourse intelligently on specific topics because his perception is so utterly controlled by his bias and his desire to win an argument, rather than explore an issue.

According to Michael Savage, liberalism is a mental disorder. Keep this in mind when reading what Hannitized has to say.

ellinas

Torture??? You mean dripping water down their nose….

A Citizen on January 24, 2009 at 05:29 pm

If this is not torture, than why the police, sheriff departments and other assorted law enforcement agencies have not adopted in extracting information from the criminals?
A lot of cases would be solved. Grab a drug dealer of the street, waterboard him until he names his accomplices. Waterboard them until they name their supplier(s). Arrest said suppliers and waterboard them until they name their supplier. And in and on….. Poof!!! Drug problem solved.
Just like the terrorism problem.
It aint nothing. Just dripping a little water down their nose……
While we are at it lets pull their toe nails off. After all toe nails grow again after one looses them.

Mickey

It’s likely that this person now has a reason to dislike the US as a result of his time locked up and tortured at Gitmo. It is curious that he was released if he were actually guilty of some crime.

Wow, that’s stupid logic.

Yeah he was captured while walking his dog.

RR, stupid is stupid no matter how you spin it.

http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

Hannitized: You are so full of crap. I will not waste weeks or months trying to define all the terms you are ignorant of, while you argue points that are only valid in Crazytroll World.

Please keep telling people the things you have “concluded”. Nothing makes conservatism more attractive than the foolish caterwauling of deranged leftists!

Oh and tell them how Rush wants us to

loose (sic) in Iraq and Afghanistan and at home.

You’ll be the envy of every other third grader in your kiddie pool! Heh.

ellinas

I beg to differ, again.
The military trial of an inmate held at Guantanamo Bay has been suspended after a request by US President Barack Obama.
In one of his first acts as president, Mr Obama asked for a temporary halt to all tribunals to review the process.
The judge in the case of Omar Khadr – a Canadian man accused of killing an American soldier in Afghanistan in 2002 – has suspended the case for 120 days.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7841492.stm

A Citizen on January 24, 2009 at 10:23 am

Temporarily halting and reviewing the process is not the same as putting an end to military tribunals and releasing the terrorists/prisoners.
Don’t jump the gun. Wait and see his next move.

a Canadian man accused of killing an American soldier in Afghanistan in 2002

This is 2009. Why take so long to mete out justice?

A Citizen

This is just one more thing to add to his long, long list of screw ups.

So, does it make sense to repeat the mistake, or doesn’t he know any better?

http://norseberserker.blogspot.com/ Rugby Reader

The timing of the release of this news item coinciding with the signing of a presidential order to close Gitmo is curious in that doubt should be cast as to its truthfulness. It has the smell of political propaganda.

On another note, we have wonderful correctional facility in Rugby that is always seeking new inmates. The more guests it hosts, the more revenue it generates. It would be great for our community to house some the Gitmo detainees when their current home closes.

Hannitized

Limbaugh talked about his foreign policy and Obama’s desire to shut down Guantanamo.

Rush did not say that he was not talking about fighting terrorism when he said he wanted him to fail. Rush’s position is if Obama does not act like Reagan, and makes decisions like a leftist, then he wants him to fail.

If Limbaugh is going to say something so radical, he should be more specific.

I have to assume that Limbaugh is who is he is, and that his racial positions are certainly things that have defined him and his position on the matter. Therefore, I have no alternative than to conclude he wants him to fail and that means we loose in Iraq and Afghanistan and at home.

ellinas

Thank you..prisoners of war should be tried in a military court, which they have been. Obama has now brought that process to a halt

No he has not. He merely ordered that GITMO be closed.
What prevented the Bush administration doing the right thing from the start?

Hannitized

PP,

That’s not a sustainable conclusion.

Here are the facts;

1) Rush does not want BO to put forward leftist Agenda, fact.

2) Rush said if he BO puts forward leftist agenda he will root for it’s failure. Fact.

3) Closing Guanatanamo is a leftist agenda. And, according to Rush, doing so would cause us to loose Afghanistan and Iraq. Fact.

Conclusion: Rush want’s BO to fail in Afghanistan and Iraq.

How can I come to any other conclusion?

You know how Syllogisms work don’t you? Give me another?

ellinas

Considering that the prisoners at Gitmo have been given everything they’ve asked for, specific food, freedom of religion not to mention other “perks” to keep them content, I can’t see how Gitmo is a stain on our image. It would appear to be the opposite.
You said you don’t want them released, but don’t care if Gitmo is closed or not. I don’t understand that comment.

A Citizen on January 24, 2009 at 09:01 am

It is about what image we project to the rest of the world. We preach to other countries about human rights, freedom, etc.
Yet we turn around, build a facility that we think it could be out of sight out of mind, and do the very things we accuse others of doing. Torture comes to mind.

What is there to understand? The prisoners are prisoners and GITMO is just a prison with a bad reputation.
Speaking for myself,it bothers me not whether GITMO closes or remains open. It bothers me not where these prisoners are housed. Not hard to understand. Maybe it is hard for you to understand my position on the issue because you have a convoluted image of who I am, or what a liberal is.

http://norseberserker.blogspot.com/ Rugby Reader

It’s likely that this person now has a reason to dislike the US as a result of his time locked up and tortured at Gitmo. It is curious that he was released if he were actually guilty of some crime.

The timing of the release of this news item coinciding with th

ellinas

So, does it make sense to repeat the mistake?

A Citizen on January 24, 2009 at 08:15 am

Many if not most liberals, myself included do not want the terrorists released. I don’t care if GITMO is closed or not.
But a lot of people view GITMO as a stain on our image.
If Bush and company had not bungled and undermined the reasons for the existence or the facility, we would not be having this conversation today.
IMO the proper thing to do is to declare the terrorists prisoners of war, treat them as such, and either never release them, or release them when the war is over.
Those word games that were played like, enemy combatants, enhanced interrogation, etc., should have never been uttered.
No one should have been tortured. And those poor bastards that were wrongly convicted because of what happened at Abu Ghraib, should be let go and the ones that gave the orders and/or allowed torture should be imprisoned instead.
The spineless though got away, and the poor soldiers are in prison.

A Citizen

Whoever released this terrorist, has some â€˜splaining to do.
I would not be surprised if he were let go so some can say “we told you so”

So, does it make sense to repeat the mistake?

Hannitized

PP,

I think my answer was very direct. Rush want’s us to loose in Afghanistan and Iraq if Barack moves forward with his “leftist agenda” by releasing prisoners from Guanatanamo within a year. YES.

I believe it because he told us so and becauseI have to assume that Rush is who he is, and his radical positions define him.

A Citizen

Whoever released this terrorist, has some â€˜splaining to do.
I would not be surprised if he were let go so some can say “we told you so”

So, does it make sense to repeat the mistake?

A Citizen

It is about what image we project to the rest of the world

Again, these prisoners have been given just about evrything they asked for. Quite an image to project.

It has. So? What is your point.

The point is that you said we built it for them

Yet we turn around, build a facility that we think it could be out of sight out of mind, and do the very things we accuse others of doing. Torture comes to mind.

Torture? I refer back to my first point.

Pelican Bay. A maximum prison in California.

Again, bringing them onto U.S. soil will give the A.C.L.U. the opportunity to get them the same rights that you and I have , and eventually get them set free.

Hannitized

That is not an argument dfwpike, that is ad hominem, and I am not surprised that it is all you have after being an admitted follower of Michael Savage.

I will whipe the floor with you in debate. Try me.

END GAME

Well if we are going to let them go what do you expect I don’t think there is a state in the union that wants to house the gitmo kids. Unemployment is growing this add to the confusion and distraction among the American population. when there unemployment benefits runs out they will no longer be counted on the unemployment roll. This will show a false drop in unemployment numbers that i am sure the current administration will claim as a step forward. The money they are dumping into BS programs will do nothing but add to the burden of our children. Socialism is just a step away from communism this is not what i want for my children or my country solutions are getting slim.

This is not the path we should be on.

A Citizen

Considering that the prisoners at Gitmo have been given everything they’ve asked for, specific food, freedom of religion not to mention other “perks” to keep them content, I can’t see how Gitmo is a stain on our image. It would appear to be the opposite.
Yuo said you don’t want them released, but don’t care if Gitmo is closed or not. I don’t understand that comment.

If Bush and company had not bungled and undermined the reasons for the existence or the facility, we would not be having this conversation today.

Correct me if I’m wrong but, hasn’t Gitmo been there for a very long time?

the proper thing to do is to declare the terrorists prisoners of war, treat them as such, and either never release them, or release them when the war is over.

If we never release them, where do you suggest keeping them? To bring them onto U.S. soil will only give the A.C.L.U. lawyers a slam dunk case to give them the rights that you and I have and get them released. As far as waiting for “the war” on terror to be over, I’m afraid as long as there are Islamic radicals who just want us dead, the war will never be over. Not unless we surrender. Do you want to surrender?

Those word games that were played like, enemy combatants,

What else can you call them? They belong to no country, do not wear the uniform of any country and just believe they’re doing what they’re doing because they have never advanced from 12th century mentality and truly believe that they are carrying out the word of their god.

ellinas

Not unless we surrender. Do you want to surrender?

A Citizen on January 24, 2009 at 09:01 am

Stop asking me stupid questions like the above.
However I will indulge you: No! I do not want to surender.

http://norseberserker.blogspot.com/ Rugby Reader

Bill to Bring in Out-of-State Inmates to Local Jails

The bill is meant to help the North Central Correctional and Rehabilitation Center in Rugby. It has struggled financially since it opened more than two years ago. It has a jail and a treatment unit for drug and alcohol addiction.

The legislation`s sponsor is Rugby state Representative Jon Nelson. He says the Rugby center has averaged between 60 and 90 inmates. It has 122 beds.

Nelson says local jails need options for housing more prisoners if they need to do that to pay the bills. The legislation will go to the full House floor later.

ellinas

It is about what image we project to the rest of the world

Again, these prisoners have been given just about everything they asked for. Quite an image to project.

So you dismissively say, It is not about what you believe.
It is about what the world knows.
We cannot preach about human rights to others after we have tortured people.

A Citizen

Speaking for myself,it bothers me not whether GITMO closes or remains open. It bothers me not where these prisoners are housed. Not hard to understand. Maybe it is hard for you to understand my position on the issue because you have a convoluted image of who I am, or what a liberal is.

Trust me Ellinas, I have no convoated image of who or what you are. Let’s just agree to disagree and leave it at that. Enjoy your Saturday. I wish you beautiful weather there as I have here.

ellinas

Considering that the prisoners at Gitmo have been given everything they’ve asked for, specific food, freedom of religion not to mention other “perks” to keep them content, I can’t see how Gitmo is a stain on our image. It would appear to be the opposite.
You said you don’t want them released, but don’t care if Gitmo is closed or not. I don’t understand that comment.

A Citizen on January 24, 2009 at 09:01 am

It is about what image we project to the rest of the world. We preach to other countries about human rights, freedom, etc.
Yet we turn around, build a facility that we think it could be out of sight out of mind, and do the very things we accuse others of doing. Torture comes to mind.

What is there to understand? The prisoners are prisoners and GITMO is just a prison with a bad reputation.
Speaking for myself,it bothers me not whether GITMO closes or remains open. It bothers me not where these prisoners are housed. Not hard to understand. Maybe it is hard for you to understand my position on the issue because you have a convoluted image of who I am, or what a liberal is.

A Citizen

Then you cons who pray nightly for an attack on Obama’s watch are perfect candidates for CEO.

Do you really believe ANYONE other than the people who hate this country want it attacked for any reason??

No, seriously, I HATE this country and think it should disappear. No more united states. It’s the cause of most of the world’s problems. It’s like a cancer.
Just split it up and let it lose its power. Done. Finished.

DINO on January 13, 2009

ellinas

Ellinas:

And please tell me where Have I called for legal and for that matter illegal trials?

Ans:

Ellinas:

Why take so long to mete out justice?

Carrick on January 24, 2009 at 12:27 pm

You know better then to try and pull a fast one like this.
I have called for military tribunals.
My answer was in response to citizen’s comment on a military trial being temporarily halted per orders of the president.
If this mofo killed an American soldier in 2002 why wait so long to mete out justice?
Carrick, we all cherry pick, but not like you did in this instance. Cherry picking is an art which you have not mastered. If you insist in cherry picking, please do it in an honest and contextual way.

Hannitized

Sorry for the delay, I went surfing.

Rush Limbaugh has encouraged people to violate the spirit of the single most fundamental process of this country, our democratic process of electing officials to office….in order to see his political opponents fail.

Rush Limbaugh has said the most untrue and harsh things about HIllary and the Clintons for no other purpose than to tear them down and destroy their ability to be re-elected or in Hillary’s case, elected to the office of the president.

Rush Limbaugh is making up the ambitions of Barack Obama as to make people fear and bitterly oppose anything he is doing for the sake of partisan politics.

Do I think Rush Limbaugh would want Barack to lose in Afghanistan and Iraq?

Absolutely without any question of doubt.

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

I’m always amazed at the intricate heirarchial organizattional structure of the terrorists. It’s almost like America has some sort of org chart.

Will this guy be an assistant to the VP of Terror with full benefits, 401k and 3 weeks of vacation per year?

jk

Yes. I seriously believe that conservatives pray for an attack so they can say “I told you so.”

I think when you get your free socialized health care plan you should sign up for therapy. But be prepared to wait years to get an appointment.

ellinas

War is not prosecuted like legal trials. If you are captured on the field of battle, you can expect to remain a POW until the end of hostilities. Unless you’re captured by the Muslim terrorists, in which case you can expect quick and painful death.

Carrick on January 24, 2009 at 10:59 am

And please tell me where Have I called for legal and for that matter illegal trials?
I have repeatedly said that they should be held till the end of the war.
You must be debating imaginary oponents.
Had the Bush administration properly designated them as prisoners of war, and treated them as such, we would not have this problem today.

jk

My hope to see the country dis-united and split into regions is not damaging if done right. We’re no longer united, in fact, we’re very split ideologically. Why try to maintain the union? The break up of the Soviet Union has created some great sucess for the countries that had been forced to be in it now that they are split. The same would occur here.

And how would execute your grand “plan” to do this?

Hannitized

Nice try Carrick:

GIven as you think they all should be released, and as a group managed to force the release of a few of these monsters, this comment is disingenuous at best.

It is not disingenuous to call you out on your hypocrisy. YOU GUYS made it a fundamental issue of safety….not me.

I am not complaining about that he was let go, just that you guys didn’t criticize Bush.

PERFECTLY genuine.

Now, just a little FYI……i was for shutting Guantanamo down as a gesture and then locking them up and giving them the rights they deserve…but still keeping them locked up.

So…don’t go imagining my position unless you have some form of evidence to support your imagination.

http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

And that was before I logically concluded that you like Rush, since you are defending him. So what was your response to my conclusion?

So, then I must like Ellinas (who I repeatedly call a liar, a moron, and other names) because I defended her against an unfair accusation of anti-semitism?

Or I agree with you, because I defend you against unfair attacks?

That’s not much of a standard.

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

Yes. I seriously believe that conservatives pray for an attack so they can say “I told you so.”

You have to remember that the 9/11 attacks gave the conservatives extraordinary power to do what they wanted for years. It got bush re-elected in 2004. It allowed republicans to grab more control of Congress in 2002, something unheard of for a mid-term election where the party in the White House had always lost seats.

Conservatives have no ideas, all they have to hope for is another attack or Obama to fail.

My desire to see the country split is minor in comparison.

ellinas

Proof. A night commode is a Victorian term for a bedside cabinet closed by one or paired doors, which offered an enclosed area below for storing a chamberpot that collected night soil, and served as a washstand with a washbasin and water pitcher for personal cleansing after using the chamberpot.
A chamberpot enclosed in a cabinet of sitting height was called a close-stool; such convenience cabinets or commodes often furnished middle-class bedrooms before the days of indoor plumbing. In the twentieth century commode continued to be expanded to signify toilet.
But I will accept that I am wrong in my definition of the word commode.
Not a problem. Mea culpa.

No matter which way you look at it, it is appropriate to say that this person flushed down the toilet $35 grand. Not an appropriate use of gov’t. bailout money.

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

An economic meltdown like the one we’re in that was caused by republicans, is not comparable to 9/11. The meltdown was something within our control, or rather, the republicans’ control that they chose to ignore and even encourage.

You can’t encourage a Katrina. You can hope for a 9/11. And I firmly believe conservatives secretly hope for that before 2010.

My hope to see the country dis-united and split into regions is not damaging if done right. We’re no longer united, in fact, we’re very split ideologically. Why try to maintain the union? The break up of the Soviet Union has created some great sucess for the countries that had been forced to be in it now that they are split. The same would occur here.

For decades the republicans have sought political office so that they could destroy government from the inside. They have been largely successful. They railed and continue to rail against “government”, turning government into the enemy, something to be starved and mocked, destroying the peoples’ belief in the importance of a unifying central authority. In essence, the goal of conservatism has been the destruction of the country since the government is nothing less than the representation of the country. Without government we’re nothing more than a land mass where a bunch of people live without common goals or purpose.

Keep posting my quote about seeing the US broken up. It’s just the honesty conservatives don’t posess. But their actions speak louder than my words.

ollie-B

What would you do about Gitmo? Would you keep detainees incarcerated spending millions of badly needed US dollars to feed, house and provide medical care for them for how long we don’t know? Or would you release them and use those dollars to assist our intelligence agencies in developing and improving assets to fight the war on terror George started. I think the money is better spent by releasing them. The old political tactic of telling the public that they will be less safe if the detainees are released just doesn’t cut it anymore. Al Quaeda doesn’t need any of the detainees to carry out its plans. But Americans need federal assistance to survive in the harsh economic climate we are facing. No American’s job is safe. Anyway, the prosecution of these individuals is cumbersome and lengthy. We really don’t have a case against many who are being held. You guys are all for giving Americans a false sense of security by wasting our resources at Gitmo. Yet, you scream bloody murder, calling the system socialism, when we endeavor to give a brother a hand up.
With greater economic resources, our intelligence agencies can do a greater job of identifying terroist movements and squashing attack plans before they can be carried out. Wake up, America!

Hannitized

Here it is again:

RUSH: “He’s not going to saddle himself with defeat in Afghanistan and Iraq, I can’t believe that he will willingly release people in Guantamo who will come back and revisit the terrorist acts in this country. Not on his watch, they would love surrender in Iraq when it is on Bush’s shoulders”.

Hannitized

A syllogism (henceforth categorical unless otherwise specified) consists of three parts: the major premise, the minor premise, and the conclusion. In Aristotle, each of the premises is in the form “Some/all A belong to B,” where “Some/All A” is one term and “belong to B” is another, but more modern logicians allow some variation. Each of the premises has one term in common with the conclusion: in a major premise, this is the major term (i.e., the predicate) of the conclusion; in a minor premise, it is the minor term (the subject) of the conclusion. For example:

Major premise: All humans are mortal.
Minor premise: Socrates is a human.
Conclusion: Socrates is mortal.

Each of the three distinct terms represents a category, in this example, “human,” “mortal,” and “Socrates.” “Mortal” is the major term; “Socrates,” the minor term. The premises also have one term in common with each other, which is known as the middle term — in this example, “human.” Here the major premise is universal and the minor particular, but this need not be so.

Here is mine:

Major Premise: Rush roots for Obamas leftist agendas to fail

Minor Premise: Closing Guantanamo in one year is a leftist agenda.

Conclusion: Therefore, Rush is rooting for Obamas leftists agenda to close Guantamo to fail which would lead to us losing in Afghanistan.

Instead Rush could support Obama and root for it’s success that closing Guantamo would make less people want to kill us, thus succeeding in Afghanistan.

ellinas

Simple. Build a military prison for them.

What do you think GITMO is?!?!

A Citizen on January 24, 2009 at 04:50 pm

It is a military prison that reminds the world, and a whole lot of USA citizens, that the USA, preaches about human rights, but fails to do what it preaches.It tells the world that we are torturers just like the ones we criticize, and single them out for human rights abuses.
Are we in a cyclical debate? I already told you my views on this.

pparets

Dino… all studies of the last 20 years show a simple demographic shift to the sunbelt states… Florida, Texas, Arizona – where Phoenix is the fastest growing city in America, Georgia, southern California, South Carolina, Louisiana and southern Alabama, all at the expense of New Jersey, New York, eastern Pennsylvania, Michigan, Illinois, Maryland and Mass. Interestingly, most migrants choose small communities rather than large ones.

In short, most folks are more interested in comfort than they are in creed.

As the census of 2000 did, the census of 2010 will lower the representation in congress of the shrinking [more liberal] states and grow the representation from the [more conservative] sun-belt states.

Intesting too is the finding that these transplanted ‘sun-babies’ become more conservative in their new digs. That explains, in part, why the democrats are so eager to loosen up hispanic immigration to these same areas.

Interesting, huh?

A Citizen

Yes. I seriously believe that conservatives pray for an attack so they can say “I told you so.”

Only those who truly hate the United States would pray for another attack.

No, seriously, I HATE this country and think it should disappear. No more united states. It’s the cause of most of the world’s problems. It’s like a cancer.
Just split it up and let it lose its power. Done. Finished.

DINO on January 13, 2009

2Hotel9

Ya know, when you take a terrorist piece of shit like this one and hang it by the neck until dead it does not go on to a further career as a terrorist piece of shit. Leftards are not intelligent enough to figure that out.

ellinas

Those word games that were played like, enemy combatants…

What else can you call them? They belong to no country, do not wear the uniform of any country….

Call them what they are. Prisoners of war.
You say they belong to no country.
Well, they did come from somewhere did they not? They had to be born someplace.
No uniforms? That is a minor detail. An insignificant one IMO.

Hannitized

Yes. I seriously believe that conservatives pray for an attack so they can say “I told you so.”

I do too!

http://www.poorschmuck.net/ John D

Actually, the only conclusion that can be drawn from the premises give is that Rush does not want Gitmo closed.

There is no mention of Iraq or Afghanistan in either premise

carrick

H:

Not one person from the right criticized Bush for letting this guy go.

GIven as you think they all should be released, and as a group managed to force the release of a few of these monsters, this comment is disingenuous at best.

The predominant blame that Bush should take is that he failed to properly explain the gravity of the situation. (He may have been the Decider, but he wasn’t the Explainer to a fault).

Ellinas:

This is 2009. Why take so long to mete out justice?

Exposing again the “criminal law” mindset of the left.

War is not prosecuted like legal trials. If you are captured on the field of battle, you can expect to remain a POW until the end of hostilities. Unless you’re captured by the Muslim terrorists, in which case you can expect quick and painful death.

jk

Yes. I seriously believe that conservatives pray for an attack so they can say “I told you so.”

No different than the Dems praying for an economic crisis.

http://sillytroll.com/ Man Train

ellinas watches too much Jack Bauer.

http://www.poorschmuck.net/ John D

I think I detect a little word game in Hannitized’s logic.

Major Premise: Rush roots for Obamas leftist agendas to fail

Minor Premise: Closing Guantanamo in one year is a leftist agenda.

Conclusion: Therefore, Rush is rooting for Obamas leftists agenda to close Guantamo to fail which would lead to us losing in Afghanistan.

Actually the logical conclusion would be “Rush is rooting for Obamas leftists agenda to close Guantamo to fail because it lead to us losing in Afghanistan.

I think you will find that conclusion more closely follows from the major and minor premises given.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Petraeus Last Best Hope

yep..Obama is bringing US together

only the beginning

Hannitized

He was very specific. And none of it included failure in Iraq or Afghanistan

Not true.

Rush stated clearly that he does not want Obama to make a leftist decisions and that if he does, he wants those ideas to fail.

He considers executive orders to close Guantanamo radical and he refused to Believe Obama would let people out of Guantanamo. So, if you believe releasing prisoners from Guantanamo is leftist, than we must conclude he wants the leftist ideals to fail.

I have to assume that Limbaugh is who is he is, and that his radical positions are certainly things that have defined him, and his position on the matter must be what he claimed it was.

Now, you are defending him based on your emotions on what you think he meant, but I am holding Rush accountable to his own words.

Watch for yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgr2elCleLQ

Hannitized

You fail at #3: He opposes closing Gitmo BECAUSE he believes it will lead to defeat in Iraq and Afghanistan.

That is what I said. Rush opposes closing it within 4 years, Obama is closing it in 1.

That is a leftist agenda in Rush’s mind. He would hope for leftist agendas fail.

Therefore, Rush is hoping for Obama to fail in Afghanistan and Iraq.

http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

Don’t you think I though (sic) about that

I will whipe (sic) the floor

Rush does not deserve the benefit of the doubt

Han-job uses the power of his acutely honed mind reading skills to add things to Rush’s argument to make it absurd, then argues against the absurdity of it!

There is little evidence to suggest that Hannitized is capable of understand the arguments that are spoken or written, even less to suggest that the man without a mind can read them!

dfwpike: Hannitized may well need to wipe the floor during debate. His drool production is prodigious! Heh.

Hannitized

What did I add to Rush’s argument that he did not say?

And keep up the spell checking abilities. That is all you are good at.

pparets

There you go again, Hannitized…

But you love Rush, so you are defending him out of emotion, not logic.

Proof is exactly right… With no basis, except your own bizzare logic, you claim to know what what people think .

I listen to Rush Limbaugh infrequently and frequently cricize his utterances. R108 and Move_Zig can attest to the fact that I have often critized him… particularly his meddling in the primary process when he tried to torpedo John McCain’s campaign. [andjust for your information, I have no use for Sean Hannity.]

You are an empty suit… a blowhard who believes that if you think it, it must be so.

http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

Therefore, I have no alternative than to conclude he wants him to fail and that means we loose (sic) in Iraq and Afghanistan and at home.

What an asinine twit you are Wankertized! You have “no alternative”? That’s what comes from not having a functioning brain! If you could think, you’d have an alternative!
What a maroon!

If Limbaugh is going to say something so radical, he should be more specific.

He was very specific. And none of it included failure in Iraq or Afghanistan, your reductio ad absurdum notwithstanding. Just because you didn’t hear it from him, or the selective and faux outrage of the MSM, doesn’t mean that Limbaugh wasn’t very specific in exactly what he meant by the remarks.

I’m not surprised that the little wooden headed troll, who wishes every night on a star that one day he might have a real thought, couldn’t comprehend this. Heh.

Mickey

Keep Gitmo open and turn it over to the Iraqi government. Keep some American non military “consultants” on hand to help manage the facility. Win-win situation. Iraq can afford it and technically speaking these prisoners were caught invading Iraq. After all, it’s only a prison. Consider it a SuperMax for global bad boys.

http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

My hope to see the country dis-united and split into regions is not damaging if done right

We wouldn’t be using your mind as the template, would we?

Dino’s wish for the Balkanization of America is duly noted!

A Citizen

Simple. Build a military prison for them.

What do you think GITMO is?!?!

pparets

Hannitized:

You are clearly defending Rush for his radical statements. Don’t blame me for drawing a rational conclusion in your defense of him.

I don’t, because you didn’t.

A Citizen

It is a military prison that reminds the world, and a whole lot of USA citizens, that the USA, preaches about human rights, but fails to do what it preaches.It tells the world that we are torturers just like the ones we criticize, and single them out for human rights abuses.
Are we in a cyclical debate? I already told you my views on this.

And I already stated the facts. These prisoners have it better there than they ever had it where ever they came from. Specific food to conform to there religion, freedom to practice their religion. You know, the one that tells them to kill us. Torture??? You mean dripping water down their nose as compared to them beheading their enemy, namely us!! Human rights abuses, you’ve got to be kidding me. I thought you were a little more aware of that. Let’s get off this subject. You see it one way, I see it for what it really is.

robert108

Actually, this is the consequence of our compassionate treatment of the terrorist scum. Even by Geneva Convention standards, spies and terrorists(non-uniformed combatants captured on the battlefield) were always summarily executed on the spot, with no trial and no expensive detention. To extract information from them, they were given the choice to talk, and die quickly, or to not talk, and die slowly. We have kept these scum alive, and now the lefties can use them as a political football, to the detriment of our security and our economy, as we spend more on this trash than most retirees receive, even though they have worked all their lives being productive Americans.
Maybe there will be an Ebola epidemic at Gitmo, real soon….

2Hotel9

But youy are the one screeching to release them, welfare whore. It is your Party, the Democrat Party that is fighting tooth&nail; to turn them all loose, give them government financed lawyers, free apartments, and American Constitutional Rights. You. You vote for and support the politicians who are doing this. You support terrorists killing innocent Muslim children and women and now you want to use American tax dollars to turn them loose to kill people in America. Fuck you, welfare whore.

Hannitized

Hannitized knows a little about a lot of things, but is unable to discourse intelligently on specific topics because his perception is so utterly controlled by his bias and his desire to win an argument, rather than explore an issue.

Look PP, everyone here is biased. How can you conclude otherwise. I am one of few who meet in the middle here. Guys like Robert, and SImple Proof never do…..ever.

But here is an integrity check for you. Let’s see if you pass?

1. Is Rush unable to discourse intelligently because of he is utterly controlled by his bias, Yes or no?

2. Is Rush Limbaugh honest in your view?

Now, any honest person would admit that Rush is biased. So why do you have a double standard for him and not me.

Face it PP, you are just upset because I am logically holding Rush accountable for his own words and actions.

But you love Rush, so you are defending him out of emotion, not logic.

Sorry, but Rush does not deserve the benefit of the doubt.

I have to assume that Rush is who he is, and his radical positions define him. That is the standard Rush judges Obama buy, then that shall be the standard I judge Rush by.

Now, you can attack me and claim I am this or that. But the fact of the matter is that I am laying out a logical, factual argument.

Deal with it.

Hannitized

dfwPike,

According to Michael Savage, liberalism is a mental disorder. Keep this in mind when reading what Hannitized has to say.

I question anyone’s mentality and emotional maturity who listens to Michael Savage on a regular basis. Why then should i respect your parroted ad hominem as argument?

Liberals say the same thing about Conservatives. Now what?

ellinas

But youy are the one screeching to release them, welfare whore………..Fuck you, welfare whore.

2Hotel9 on January 25, 2009 at 07:08 am

No! Fuck you! You ignorant right wing neocon mutt.

Hannitized

OK, fine.

Can you answer the questions about Rush then? Or, is it safe for me to conclude that I can take Rush at his word?

pparets

Hannitized agrees with…

Yes. I seriously believe that conservatives pray for an attack so they can say “I told you so.”

I do too!

Why am I not surprised.

jk

And in the studies that show people are actually migrating to areas where people think like they do.

It’s called “PORTLAND”

http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

There is no mention of Iraq or Afghanistan in either premise

John: I can forgive you for not knowing, but Hannitized is a mind reader! Even though he has extreme trouble reading and understanding anything one might write, he can tell you the motivation of the person writing it, with dead bang certainty. As least, according to Hannitized

Hannitized

Putting your emotions aside for a moment PP, can you answer a direct question or not?

1. Is Rush unable to discourse intelligently because of he is utterly controlled by his bias, Yes or no?

2. Is Rush Limbaugh honest in your view?

Now, personally, I don’t care when you make statement about me using your crystal ball. But don’t for a minute think you are going to get away with it without getting some criticism of your own.

You are clearly defending Rush for his radical statements. Don’t blame me for drawing a rational conclusion in your defense of him.

dfwpike

I will whipe the floor with you in debate. Try me.

For starters, whipe is spelled “wipe”.

dfwpike 1, hannitized 0

Game on.

Hannitized

PP likes his world when he can have it both ways:

Hannitized knows a little about a lot of things, but is unable to discourse intelligently on specific topics because his perception is so utterly controlled by his bias and his desire to win an argument, rather than explore an issue.

So with no basis, except your own bizarre logic, you claim to know exactly what other people think.

And that was before I logically concluded that you like Rush, since you are defending him. So what was your response to my conclusion?

With no basis, except your own bizzare logic, you claim to know what what people think .

No basis, except for the fact that you are defending Rush for making radical statements that are based on his imagination. What in the hell am I supposed to conclude, you dope. Lighten up.

Hannitized

Yeah! People like me who moved to California to be with the rest of the conservatives! Heh

Yes Simple Proof, California is conservative. Is that is the reality you are tying to create in your head now? Go on…use your illusion bro.

jk

I think the only qualification needed to be high “mucky muck” in the terrorist organization is just an undying hate for America.

No, seriously, I HATE this country and think it should disappear. No more united states. It’s the cause of most of the world’s problems. It’s like a cancer.
Just split it up and let it lose its power. Done. Finished.

DINO on January 13, 2009

pparets

Yes. I seriously believe that conservatives pray for an attack so they can say “I told you so.”

They don’t.

Nor would you pray for another Katrina or economic melt-down to boost the left’s agenda. Would you?

carrick

Ellinas:

And please tell me where Have I called for legal and for that matter illegal trials?

Ans:

Ellinas:

Why take so long to mete out justice?

A Citizen

No he has not. He merely ordered that GITMO be closed.

I beg to differ, again.
The military trial of an inmate held at Guantanamo Bay has been suspended after a request by US President Barack Obama.
In one of his first acts as president, Mr Obama asked for a temporary halt to all tribunals to review the process.
The judge in the case of Omar Khadr – a Canadian man accused of killing an American soldier in Afghanistan in 2002 – has suspended the case for 120 days.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7841492.stm

ellinas

…….and just believe they’re doing what they’re doing because they have never advanced from 12th century mentality and truly believe that they are carrying out the word of their god.

A Citizen on January 24, 2009 at 09:01 am

So what. Is it our business to educate the ignorant people of the world?
Or is it our business to bring them to the 21st century?
Or do you suggest we go out there and kill all that we deem primitive?

http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

Call them what they are. Prisoners of war.

Yes. Let’s call them what they are: Enemy combatants.
Terrorists are not signatories to the Geneva Conventions. They are enemy combatants. They do not have the same rights under law as would a prisoner of war. If they want to be treated like prisoners of war, they must conform to the rules of warfare.

It is not a “word game”. What are our laws if not “words”? Civilized men seek to define themselves with words. Somewhat ironic that those who quibble over “word games” probably want to see each of these men tried in a court of law, where they will argue over the meanings of words and their definitions and their consequences.

Bill

Thanks a lot B.O. Brilliant, just brilliant. What’s next? Sign the prisoners up for welfare and food stamps? Thanks for not making our country safer.

pparets

Hannitized knows a little about a lot of things, but is unable to discourse intelligently on specific topics because his perception is so utterly controlled by his bias and his desire to win an argument, rather than explore an issue.

Thus, he frequently – as in this case – is forced to defend an indefensible position, i.e., Limbaugh opposes President Obama’s closing of gitmo, ergo Limbaugh wants us to lose in Iraq and Afghanistan… a leap of logic which is patently false.

Proof describes Hannitized best with this…

Even though he has extreme trouble reading and understanding anything one might write, he can tell you the motivation of the person writing it, with dead bang certainty. As least, according to Hannitized

http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

Yes. I seriously believe that conservatives pray for an attack so they can say “I told you so.”

I do too! -Wankertized

That’s because you’ve never had an original thought in the empty canyons of your head!

But, I’m glad you’re back! Now you can answer that question you’ve been ducking for months! The one over here where, according to your “logic”, Rush is the most intelligent man on talk radio today!

dfwpike

Simple Proof shows us he can not offer a syllogism, or counter argument…so he lies.

Hannitized… you’re stretching things. Proof saying that Limbaugh didn’t mention Afghanistan or Iraq was in reference to your assertions that Limbaugh wants us to lose in Afghanistan and Iraq. I’ve watched the video. Yes, Rush mentions Afghanistan and Iraq but he never says he hopes we lose there. That was the point that Proof was trying to make.

dfwpike 2, hannitized 0

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

Then you cons who pray nightly for an attack on Obama’s watch are perfect candidates for CEO.

pparets

Limbaugh said that if Obama pursued socialist policies, he wanted him to fail.

http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

And, according to Rush, doing so would cause us to loose (sic) Afghanistan and Iraq.

Even when you correct this troll, he returns like a dog to his vomit! Heh.

He tries to correct my correct spelling on one thread and totally bombs when he attempts to generate an original thought on his own! Must be too much strain on his poor widdle system!

Troll overload on comment 86!
Heh.

pparets

Hannitized said…

Therefore, I have no alternative than to conclude he wants him to fail and that means we loose in Iraq and Afghanistan and at home.

That’s not a sustainable conclusion.

dfwpike

Hannitized is ignorant. For those in Rio Linda, that means he’s not smart.

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

The country is already balkanized. I just wish to see it made official.

There is no magic or efficiency in having the land mass under one government.

http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

flushed down the $35,000 toilet

Let me broaden your horizons, ellinas! It was a $35,000 commode, not a toilet! There’s more than one definition to “commode”. The first clue may have been in the stories that reported it as a “commode on legs”:

comÂ·mode
(k-md)
n.
1. A low cabinet or chest of drawers, often elaborately decorated and usually standing on legs or short feet.
2.
a. A movable stand or cupboard containing a washbowl.
b. A chair enclosing a chamber pot.
c. A toilet.

Example:

The guy at Merrill bought a piece of antique furniture for $35 grand. Not an appropriate use of gov’t. bailout money, but definitely not a “toilet”!

So please, flush your mind of your antique ideas and we’ll attempt to renovate your thought process while you wait!

jk

The country is already balkanized

Only in your mind Dino.

Hannitized

PP,

I don’t mean all conservatives, but I do believe there are conservatives who want Obama to fail, I think we saw Limberger root for his failure, and I do not recall him making the distinction that he did not mean terror attacks.

Hannitized

Not one person from the right criticized Bush for letting this guy go.

Surprising? You decide.

http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

Rush want’s (sic) us to loose (sic)in Afghanistan and Iraq

says the world’s most dishonest troll. Rush said nothing about Afghanistan or Iraq, and only the world’s biggest moron would conclude that Rush wants us to lose in either place.

The only thing “loose” is the screws in Hannitized’s head! Heh.

ellinas

Correct me if I’m wrong but, hasn’t Gitmo been there for a very long time?

A Citizen on January 24, 2009 at 09:01 am

It has. So? What is your point.

robert108

BTW, it is PBO who wants us to fail in Iraq and Afghanistan, which is why he wants to close down Gitmo. No terrorist has ever escaped from Gitmo, so he wants them moved to someplace where they can recruit, escape and even get release through leftie legal maneuvering.

ellinas

If we never release them, where do you suggest keeping them?

A Citizen on January 24, 2009 at 09:01 am

Pelican Bay. A maximum prison in California.

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

And in the studies that show people are actually migrating to areas where people think like they do.

I will find it and post.

http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

And that was before I logically concluded that you like Rush, since you are defending him

“Logic” is apparently another word Wankertized doesn’t understand!

http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

Yes Simple Proof, California is conservative. Is that is the reality you are tying to create in your head now?

You really are a twit, Wankertized. You obviously don’t recognize sarcasm when you hear it.. But, then, you don’t recognize much when it comes to simple English words, either!

ellinas

robert108. Your opinion is noted and placed in that $1400.00 dollar trash can, or flushed down the $35,000 toilet of the ex CEO of Merril Lynch.

A Citizen

I don’t believe the ACLU has any standing with prisoners of war.

Which is why they need to be kept in a military prison.

ellinas

I don’t believe the ACLU has any standing with prisoners of war.

Which is why they need to be kept in a military prison.

A Citizen on January 24, 2009 at 09:50 am

Simple. Build a military prison for them.

ellinas

Trust me Ellinas, I have no convoated image of who or what you are. Let’s just agree to disagree and leave it at that. Enjoy your Saturday. I wish you beautiful weather there as I have here.

A Citizen on January 24, 2009 at 09:54 am

You have a nice Saurday too.
But I do know you have misjudged me.
As you can see we can have a civil debate.
It is my desire that we can continue this way.

robert108

It was not President Bush who voluntarily released those animals; it was the extreme left, who, in their BDS, filed suit after suit to try to get them released, and managed to succeed in a few cases.
As far as what one moron has described as “what image we project to the world”, if we want to stay a free and sovereign nation, that image should be: “If you fuck with us, we will kill you.” I happen to think that President Bush didn’t respond properly to the shoe-thrower. He should have caught the first shoe and fired it back right at that asshole’s head.
When we retreat, they advance. This is true of both Dems and terrorists.

pparets

You fail at #3: He opposes closing Gitmo BECAUSE he believes it will lead to defeat in Iraq and Afghanistan.

You have not posed a syllogism and your conclusion is not substantiated.

jk

It doesn’t matter what the party affiliation, Obama has made a very bad decision. His judgement was always in question, now he’s showing us how flawed it really is.

A Citizen

I’m afraid as long as there are Islamic radicals who just want us dead, the war will never be over. Not unless we surrender. Do you want to surrender?

Stop asking me stupid questions like the above.
However I will indulge you: No! I do not want to surender.

Then the fight continues. But feel free to no longer indulge me.

A Citizen

Call them what they are. Prisoners of war.
You say they belong to no country.
Well, they did come from somewhere did they not? They had to be born someplace.
No uniforms? That is a minor detail. An insignificant one IMO.

Thank you..prisoners of war should be tried in a military court, which they have been. Obama has now brought that process to a halt.
These people are fighting us based on their religion, nothing else.
No uniforms is just another indication that they belong to particular country. They’re not fighting for a country, they’re fighting based on religious beliefs.

Hannitized

Word games.

Actually the logical conclusion would be “Rush is rooting for Obamas leftists agenda to close Guantamo to fail because it lead to us losing in Afghanistan.

I think you will find that conclusion more closely follows from the major and minor premises given.

Don’t you think I though about that before I drew my conclusion? i can understand why you would say that though, because that was my original conclusion until i listened how Rush CLEARLY defined success. Go back and listen.

Rush defined success as: if he becomes Reagan and acts like Reagan than he is a success, but if instills leftist Agenda, why would he want to succeed.

So his definition of success is based on Obama’s ability to be successful..AFTER…he instills his agenda. C’mon now son.

Rush never made his position that he opposes any bill in congress getting passed. Rush only discussed how successful he would be after he takes action.

Listen for yourself; forward to 6:09.

ellinas

Again, bringing them onto U.S. soil will give the A.C.L.U. the opportunity to get them the same rights that you and I have , and eventually get them set free.

A Citizen on January 24, 2009 at 09:34 am

I don’t believe the ACLU has any standing with prisoners of war.

pparets

hannitized tries to be slick…

Do I think Rush Limbaugh would want Barack to lose in Afghanistan and Iraq?

Nice dodge. Now try answering my question.

Do you really belive that Limbaugh wants us to lose in Iraq and Afghanistan?

you are so fond of asking “yes/no” questions and demanding a direct answer. I gave you both.

Now, do likewise for me.

NoJelly

This is clearly Bush’s fault.

Obamma hasn’t been in Office long enough to corrupt this poor, innocent non-violent peasant with torture TORTURE TORTURE…

If the Bushies had just left these poor misunderstood terrorists where they found them (lying in the dirt, face down, bullet hole behind the left ear), none of this would ever be necessary…

Now we get to (will have to) defend our own. Gub’mint’s a little busy twisting themselves into a banana republic to have any time protecting the People…

http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

bush released terrorists?

This is just one more thing to add to his long, long list of screw ups.

A Citizen

The Democrats’ solution to this problem? Move the terrorists from Guantanamo Bay to Pennsylvania and give them lawyers. Because that’ll solve the problem.

Since these “MUTTS” were captured on the “battle field” I doubt that when captured, no one thought about gathering evidence for any CRIMINAL trial. Any A.C.L.U. lawyer will have a slam dunk case with this and we can count on the “MUTTS” coming to a city near you.

ellinas

Whoever released this terrorist, has some ‘splaining to do.
I would not be surprised if he were let go so some can say “we told you so”

A Citizen

But I do know you have misjudged me.

Believe me, I have not misjudged you.

sayanything-2483

As ROBERT stated:

It was not President Bush who voluntarily released those animals; it was the extreme left, who, in their BDS, filed suit after suit to try to get them released, and managed to succeed in a few cases.

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