Shocker: Obama Administration Just Made Up Mexican Gun Figures

And by “made up” I mean they lied about it for the sake of their own self-interest.

There’s just one problem with the 90 percent “statistic” and it’s a big one:
It’s just not true.
In fact, it’s not even close. The fact is, only 17 percent of guns found at Mexican crime scenes have been traced to the U.S.
What’s true, an ATF spokeswoman told FOXNews.com, in a clarification of the statistic used by her own agency’s assistant director, “is that over 90 percent of the traced firearms originate from the U.S.”
But a large percentage of the guns recovered in Mexico do not get sent back to the U.S. for tracing, because it is obvious from their markings that they do not come from the U.S.

Really, though, I’m not sure why anyone would think that guns were the problem in Mexico. Perhaps if Mexico had more of a tradition of individual gun ownership it wouldn’t just be the gangsters and the thugs who have them.
To be frank, it’s not the existence of guns (American or otherwise) in Mexico that’s causing all the crime. It’s the illegal drug trade, for which we Americans are the end market.
If we want to end the drug war in Mexico, we should legalize drugs (or at least marijuana, which is 70% of the problem). If we did that, we’d see far less crime along our southern border.
Of course, politicians don’t want that political hot potato to land in their laps. So they just blame the guns. Because that’s easier.

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  • http://Array Hannitized

    Too much work for him. I’ve worked, and to some extent still work, around people like him.

    So let me see if I understand this?

    I don’t write on the reader blogs because a) I think it is stupid for people to make an effort to be politically divisive for the sake of pissing others off. b) It’s a further waste of time because nobody on this site takes debate seriously, because they are too consumed being partisan douchebags, so therefore I am lazy, because I merely comment on the pointless threads about stupid shit that serves no other point than to be designed to piss people off?

    Makes perfect sense.

    Wrong!

    I only comment because it is required to set the record straight when you douches lie, misunderstand things, spin or simply get it wrong.

    I would be embarrassed to tell anyone I authored an argument on this site. It’s not worthy. Nor would it be a place for honest dialogue on the challenges we face as a nation today.

    If you think this site is a forum where topic of the day can be discussed with intellectual honestly, I have a bridge I would like to sell you.

  • pparets

    Hannitized says…

    The answer is yes

    If you already knew the answer, why did you ask?

    Because you thought you could trap Proof with this little irrelevancy.

    Yet, whenever you are presented with a YES or No answer, you dissemble and dodge with the best of them.

    As pointed out above, the purpose of such a question is…

    … so that the question limits direct replies to those that serve the questioner’s agenda.

  • Hannitized

    Proof,……all of your phony pretense of being a womanize aside, you still can not refute the fact that people don’t hold large numbers of other people hostage with a knife.

    Now, carry on with your obfuscation and distractions that you have actually seen a booby. We know the real score pal. You wouldn’t know what to do with a nipple if it was the only way you could find milk.

  • http://www.moszer.net/ Moszer

    As my boss always says

    “Never let the facts get in the way of a good story”

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    I think it is stupid for people to make an effort to be politically divisive for the sake of pissing others off.

    First of all, I have trouble with the second word in that statement: You never think! Secondly, you enormously ignorant twit, you can write anything you want in a reader blog.
    What fatuous, lying, mindless twit thinks that one can only make “effort to be politically divisive for the sake of pissing others” in the Reader Blogs???
    You could write about something you’re passionate about: surfing, or how your rubber duckie is the bestest one in the kiddie pool, how surfers are the “new cowboys”…virtually anything of substance or your usual mindless twaddle…whichever you prefer.
    But don’t try to give us that “politically divisive” bullcrap to hide the fact that you don’t have the balls or the brains to post an original thought!

    Write us if you ever want to leave Pathetic Loserville!

  • TomTom

    You have to be a LIAR to be a Liberal because their whole existence is a LIE.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    I only comment because it is required to set the record straight when you douches lie, misunderstand things, spin or simply get it wrong.

    Ha! What a deluded liar you are, Han-job! Please tell us what “record you were setting straight with this comment?

  • carrick

    Obama Administration Just Made Up Mexican Gun Figures

    Of course they did. That’s what the “reality based” community does.

  • Spartacus

    Surprisingly, Rob ignores the hostage situation where a man is holding some 45 people hostage with a gun.

    There’s always the readers blogs where you could post to your hearts content about that situation. I guess you want to ignore it too.

  • Spartacus

    Hannitized on April 3, 2009 at 03:02 pm

    shorter: I’m intellectually lazy and have nothing better to do with my time than hang out at a blog that pisses me off. Now give me another handful of Lisinopril and a large mocha latte, dammit!

  • Hannitized

    Poofie,

    Also no surprise that a liberal who hasn’t a clue as to which end the round comes out would try to exploit a tragedy to advance a political agenda!

    Sounds like Bush and Iraq.

    Potato,

    Getting cut carries a far larger fear among people Hannah because while few people have ever been shot, everyone gets cut at some point. It produces a visceral reaction. This is why simple box cutters were effective at cowing many people on the planes on 9/11.

    Holy crap that is missing the mark.

    1) 9/11 was successful because they claimed to have bombs, and people believed that if they succumbed to their demands nobody would be hurt. Until it was learned on Flight 93 that they were going to drive he planes in the ground and that the bombs were fake, they took control.

    At no point in the story of Flight 93, does anyone express fear of a box cutter, or getting cut.

    2) You are making shit up about people fearing knives.

    3) My argument is that you can’t hold people hosage with the threat of using a knife. There is not one example where a person does not have a knife to one persons throat.

    You are seriously a phony Sweetpea.

  • 2Hotel9

    Proof, what sanni is admitting is he possesses firearms which are not his property. There is a crime.

    sanni, you really are not very smart, are you?

  • Hannitized

    shorter: I’m intellectually lazy and have nothing better to do with my time than hang out at a blog that pisses me off. Now give me another handful of Lisinopril and a large mocha latte, dammit!

    Hahaha. That was actually pretty good. Wrong! But funny.

    I have nothing better to do with my time?

    except….dive with sharks…

    or go to the top of Mauna Kea and go inside a private tour of Gemini Observatory..

    Or surf the north shore of Hawaii, or catch Moray Eels alive for my fish tanks.

    Yeah…my life is BORING.

  • Buzz

    Why not just execute every person using a gun in a felony? Kneel them down and, pop. Even if you have to stack and burn them because there are so many, WTF is the difference? No incarceration, no repeat offenders,

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    sanni is admitting is he possesses firearms which are not his property.

    I wonder if the real men who own those guns know that Hannie is taking pictures of them and pretending he knows how to use them? I wouldn’t trust that weenie with a water pistol!

  • bill-tb

    Obama administration, redefining the shuck and jive, worldwide.

  • Hannitized

    I am pretty sure that you haven’t seen a booby. Even if you had, I doubt you knew what to do with it. Either that, or you were paralyzed with fear.

  • http://www.twitter.com/OneAndOnlyZel QueenZel

    Proof has a better chance than you do, Hanni.

  • Spartacus

    The twit has been invited to use the Reader Blogs before.

    Too much work for him. I’ve worked, and to some extent still work, around people like him. Quick to criticize the efforts of others, but when offered the chance to show how it should be done can’t seem to be able to remove their hands from their pockets long enough to accomplish anything.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    The record that you haven’t seen boobies in 10 years.

    Demonstrating once more that not knowing what the hell you’re talking about has ever stopped you from making ass-umptions you can’t possibly know!

    Thanks for reaffirming your irrelevance!

  • http://www.twitter.com/OneAndOnlyZel QueenZel

    Hmmmm … I don’t think so … Proof’s into multiple syllables and that’s just damn sexy!

    Got any more of that Vodka RedBull?

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    I don’t trust you to have them.

    I don’t trust you not to spill your drool cup as you type with one hand, but that’s none of my business!

  • Hannitized

    The gun isn’t holding them hostage, dummy!

    Yeah, ok, but if the guy had a knife, you think there would be a problem? Dummy.

  • Fatalerror94

    Surprisingly, Rob ignores the hostage situation where a man is holding some 45 people hostage with a gun.

    …Or he tries to. The 45 would-be hostages turn out to be firm believers in the 2nd Amendment and each of them produce a gun of their own. And before the sorry bastard says a single word, he is reduced to Swiss Cheese. Problem solved.

  • Hannitized

    Please tell us what “record you were setting straight with this comment?

    The record that you haven’t seen boobies in 10 years. That was pretty obvious Poofie.

  • 2Hotel9

    sanni? Have you even read the report? Much less seen the video and listened to the audio? Hello! McFly! Is anyone home?!?!

  • Hannitized

    SHOCKER: Semi-automatic weapons owner snaps, shoots (3) officers.

    Who’d a thunk it? Certainly not my political foes, how argued that this never happens.

  • http://www.twitter.com/OneAndOnlyZel QueenZel

    So, you’re the Devil’s advocate? Well, maybe you’ve hit upon it … you need more of the “right” conservatives to appeal to your sensibilities. Your “strange inclination” must be one of a very masculine thing … or perhaps it’s the innate knowledge that women in general are more intellectually (and otherwise) attracted to a man who’s into responsibility and being a take-charge, strong, “manly” man vs. the prissy, metrosexual, Obama-style kind of guy. Does that make sense?
    By the way, your spelling is excellent.

  • 2Hotel9

    Where is that list? You said they are all openly for sale in America, that is where Mexican drug cartel peons get 90% of their weapons. That is what you told us. Now prove it.

    As for law abiding. That has yet to be established. From the several articles and the TV news coverage it appears this individual had a problem with neighbors and authority, a long running problem.

    And Proof has nailed your faggoty ass to the wall. Put up or shut up.

  • Mark

    Surprisingly, Rob ignores the hostage situation where a man is holding some 45 people hostage with a gun

    The gun isn’t holding them hostage, dummy!

  • Hannitized

    Proof dodges the questions:

    Are you going to admit that law abiding citizens who own assault rifles snap?

    Could he have killed these three policemen with another device? Would he have? NO!

    You’ve said that you own, or at least have possession of semi-automatic rifles in “your” gun safe, yet you say that no citizen should be allowed to own one:

    If the laws change, what ever is in my gun safe that is against the law, will be removed.

  • Hannitized

    Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.

    Now how am I doin?

  • 2Hotel9

    Note he admitted to committing crimes, then vanished. Hmm.

  • Hannitized

    Surely you must realize half of my arguments are for arguments sake. You should know I usually find myself annoyed with liberals when politics come up in real conversation, and more engaged fighting off a strange inclination to move to the right.

    I just need more conservatives who can appeal to my sensibilities?

  • 2Hotel9

    And wherer is that list of the thousands of gun shops and Wal-Marts where Americans can buy RPGs, semtex, anti-tank mines and fully automatic weapons? What is the hold up, you Jew and Negroe hating asshole?

  • 2Hotel9

    Still waiting for buzzed and woofie to supply us that list of gun shops and Wal-Marts were we can buy RPGs, anti-tank mines, semtex and fully automatic weapons. Whats the hold up?

    And sanni, you got your ass thoroughly stomped on this issue already. Back for more?

  • pparets

    Are you going to admit that law abiding citizens who own assault rifles snap?

    “trick question”, or plurium interrogationum (Latin, “of many questions”), is an informal fallacy or logical fallacy.[1] It is committed when someone asks a question that presupposes something that has not been proven or accepted by all the people involved. This fallacy is often used rhetorically, so that the question limits direct replies to those that serve the questioner’s agenda.

    A childish device frequently employed by Hannitized.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    What is in my gun safe is not always what “I” own. I live in Hawaii, where lots of military personnel reside. And when they are on deployment, they want to make sure their guns are safe, and houses are not broken into while they are gone.

    So, are you admitting that you do not own (nor probably ever even fired) a semi-automatic weapon?
    So, Han-job: How long are you going to dance around, obfuscate and evade the question, dumbass!

    You have to be smarter than the computer you use to communicate with Poofie.

    Anyone smarter than Jell-o is smarter than you, Han-job!

  • robert108

    BTW, H: I made no argument, only stated an obvious fact. Something else you don’t know about, I guess.

  • Hannitized

    Sorry..wrong post..

  • Hannitized

    And how is it a trick question PP? Watch you evade answering the question.

    When it comes to dealign with someone who can actually fight back, you will usually drop a bomb and then run away.

    There was no trick question. The question is simple. Do law abiding citizens who own assault rifles, snap? Yes or no?

    The answer is yes, but none of yo phonies will admit it.

  • http://firstconservative.com/blog MAS1916

    Yes…. there is a very bad situation with a man holding hostages and ‘gag’ is using a gun!

    Keep in mind that our neighbors to the south in Mexico are going to have to fight a civil war soon against drug gangs and others who would control them. The Mexican people have no method of self defense. The guns brought in from China via South America arm the gangs.

    Incidents like this hostage situation result primarily from
    ineffective prosecution of known criminals, and (this is hard for you lefties) someone just gone crazy. This is an unfortunate consequence of living in a free society. It can’t be corrected without damaging a free society.

  • http://www.twitter.com/OneAndOnlyZel QueenZel

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

    That was good. Now, if only you weren’t a liberal.

  • Hannitized

    Why do you have to wait for a legislature to codify what you say you believe?
    Hell! You don’t even have the courage to admit what you own! Why should anyone expect you to exhibit the courage of your convictions!

    Dumbass. What is in my gun safe is not always what “I” own. I live in Hawaii, where lots of military personnel reside. And when they are on deployment, they want to make sure their guns are safe, and houses are not broken into while they are gone.

    You have to be smarter than the computer you use to communicate with Poofie.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    4146 lame comments and counting.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    I guess “only” is yet another word that Wankertized is unfamiliar with the definition?

  • Hannitized

    Thats a great argument Robert. Lets continue to make it easy for people to have weapons that can enable them to kill (3) policemen, because until they murder someone, they are technically not a criminal, and only criminal use guns to kill people.

    Sounds about right for you.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Are you going to admit that law abiding citizens who own assault rifles snap?

    First of all, how about a little honesty from you, Junior? You’ve said that you own, or at least have possession of semi-automatic rifles in “your” gun safe, yet you say that no citizen should be allowed to own one:

    Do you in fact own or possess any semi-automatic guns and if so, will you set the example by publicly disposing of them? Or is this just another liberal “do as I say, don’t do as I do” exercise for you?

    If you do not own or possess any semi-automatic guns, perhaps you could tell us why you said you did? Was it the need for you to appear, in cyberspace at least, a little more macho and manly than you are in the real world?

    I frankly wouldn’t mind an honest debate on guns, if you could find someone honest on your side to debate me! It certainly isn’t you!

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    (The other little wooden headed boy was famous for lying as well!)

  • Hannitized

    Uh, oh….2hotel is off his meds again. Someone put him back in the rubber room.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Surprisingly, Rob ignores the hostage situation where a man is holding some 45 people hostage with a gun.

    Not surprisingly, the twit with no balls (and no hope of ever growing any) knows about it and still can’t find an original thought he would venture as his own to write about it. He can only carp about what others haven’t done!

    Also no surprise that a liberal who hasn’t a clue as to which end the round comes out would try to exploit a tragedy to advance a political agenda!

  • Hannitized

    Proofy’s blogger handle is more than likely short for nippleproof.

  • robert108

    H moron: It is a fact that only a tiny percentage of gun owners commit crimes(about 3%), and those are almost all the ones who are criminals who obtained their guns illegally. It is a giant case of “the tail wagging the dog” to deprive all gun owners of their Constitutional rights over a tiny percentage of offenders.
    It is also a fact that these mass killings don’t take place where the population is armed. Criminals pick places where idiots like you have made it safe for them; they can depend on none of their targets being able to defend themselves.

  • Hannitized

    Surprisingly, Rob ignores the hostage situation where a man is holding some 45 people hostage with a gun.

    Of course if he had a knife, car or spatula…..nobody would rush the building…right? Riiiiiighhhhhht.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    Again, the Leftist MO spelled out clearly:

    Outrageous lies used to propel legislation intended to infringe, if not destroy outright, an enumerated Constitutional Right.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Who’d a thunk it? Certainly not my political foes, how (sic) argued that this never happens.

    I know you get off on lies and exaggerations, but would you care to link to even a single instance where one of your political “foes” argued that this “never happens”?
    Or is “never” yet another word you don’t know the meaning of?
    You are so full of it, your eyes are permanently brown!

  • Hannitized

    Proof again, avoids the heavy lifting.

    Are you going to admit that law abiding citizens who own assault rifles snap?

    Could he have killed these three policemen with another device? Would he have? NO!

    Just admit it.

  • robert108

    If we want to end the drug war in Mexico, we should legalize drugs (or at least marijuana, which is 70% of the problem). If we did that, we’d see far less crime along our southern border.

    Fantasyland! The truth is, there would be a huge increase in drug trafficking along the entire border, and all other cross-border crimes would increase exponentially, as the vastly increased demand would call forth even more supply then is required now. Every shipment would have to be stopped and searched for invaders, other drugs, weapons, etc, using the cover of now “legal” drugs flowing into our country. The domestic production, which would be tightly regulated and taxed, would take a year or more to catch up to the escalating demand(especially among the young, who are the most influenced by advertising of legal products), and then agricultural land would be used for pot production instead of food production, in a much worse replay of the ethanol debacle.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    I used to correspond with folks who were in Iraq or Afghanistan. At least some of the troops were getting top secret clearances and Class III licenses in the process. That means if you are holding a Class III or NFA firearm without the proper qualifications, Surfer-Dud could be in some deep Kim-shee.

    Hope your paperwork is in order L’il Kahuna. The ATF boys gas, burn and shoot first, ask questions later.

  • 2Hotel9

    “Could he have killed these three policemen with another device? Would he
    have? NO!”

    Yes, he very easily have killed multiple officers with a vehicle.

  • Hannitized

    Oh, ok Proof…are you now going to admit that law abiding gun owners snap…and kill people? The previous argument was only criminals kill people.

    Liberals were right. This right-wing nut went berserk because right wing hacks like Rob fire him up and make him angry about the possibility of losing his assault rifle.

    This guy was a perfect example why people shouldn’t have them.

    This is going to be an interesting case.

    Please sell your guns Poofie, I don’t trust you to have them.

  • robert108

    By definition, law abiding people obey the laws. So, H is wrong; again.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    There’s always the readers blogs

    The twit has been invited to use the Reader Blogs before. He just doesn’t have the balls or enough gray matter to string together a single cohesive thought.
    That’s why I sometimes refer to him as the “little wooden headed troll who wishes upon a star that one day he might have a real thought!”

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    If the laws change, what ever is in my gun safe that is against the law, will be removed.

    SHOCKER: A big cop out from Wankertized!If you so firmly believe that no one (that would include you, you big wanker!) should own semi-automatic weapons, why don’t you have the courage to act on your convictions? Why do you have to wait for a legislature to codify what you say you believe?
    Hell! You don’t even have the courage to admit what you own! Why should anyone expect you to exhibit the courage of your convictions!

    Go back to the kiddie pool, Li’l Kahuna! Come back when you’re man enough to at least admit whether or not you even possess any of the weapons you want to ban!

  • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

    Getting cut carries a far larger fear among people Hannah because while few people have ever been shot, everyone gets cut at some point. It produces a visceral reaction. This is why simple box cutters were effective at cowing many people on the planes on 9/11.

    Beyond this knives don’t need reloading Hannah. Even a moderately determined and wholly untrained assailant with a knife can take out five or six closely spaced well trained men carrying guns before they can react.

    A knife does not mean less dangerous.

    Buzz, you can’t just execute people willy-nilly. Life has no meaning we don’t give it. Your idea is a devaluation of life and no different on top of that than gun control ideas. You classify the crime and say that a certain type is worse than others. More over, you act after the fact.

    Why not find out why people are doing these things? From what I’ve seen, many criminals are merely the people in society who were most disadvantaged, were the second or better generation of a line of disadvantaged, had no solid familial traditions and stability, AND were very highly susceptible to messages of advocating surrender and despair, blaming others, and avoiding responsibility, and believing they had no power.

    Liberalism has increased the crime rate in this country to insane levels because it is the political movement which tells others that they are powerless and all of life’s effecting power is from without, not within, all in the name of empowering the elite. It is perniciously soul-destroying and an abomination against the entire human race.

    We can’t simply go around executing people or shoving them into jail. We have to start rehabilitating, we have to start taking back people from the other side. Every one that falls to crime and misbehavior against society is cited by liberals as more example on which to support their taking of power. The test of righteousness to be in power for me would be, do you need to impoverish and dispirit the populace to get their support, and do you intend to do with that power such as needed to empower the people so they do not need you anymore? Liberalism fails miserably on both counts.

  • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

    Even if it was the case, which it clearly isn’t, we’re supposed to infringe a constitutional right for the sake of another nation that cannot handle it’s own law and order?

    Uh… no.

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