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Monday, April 21, 2008

Shocker: Increased Social Welfare Spending Leads To Less Motivation For The Poor To Find Jobs

They’re calling it the “why bother” economy in Great Britain.

We, as Americans, should be learning from their mistakes but I have a sneaking suspicion that American liberals will just claim that Great Britain is doing it wrong and continue pushing to increase our already highest-in-the-world entitlement spending.

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The Whistler on April 21, 2008 at 09:53 am

I think the biggest thing holding a lot of American kids back is our safety net.

Kids in India know their middle-school grades will mean the difference between indoor and outdoor plumbing. Kids in China know that their grades mean the difference between working with computers or picking rice.

American kids knw their survival is assured, so they have the freedom to be lazy.

Fo poor kids, that’s a dangerous freedom.

Wing Chun Geologist on April 21, 2008 at 12:47 pm

Why would the poor be motivated to get a job if we are throwing money at them left and right?



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dougee on April 21, 2008 at 02:09 pm
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the non working poor are the new masters, sitting in their homes while the taxpyers are the slaves toiling at jobs to support others. Wake up

bill on April 21, 2008 at 02:42 pm
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The so called “poor” yammering for the “right” to healthcare all have cell phones that they pay no less than 80.00 a month for. 80 X 12= $960.00. Nearly a thousand bucks a year that could easily buy a nice health care plan but noooooo! Health care is a right, an entitlement they have been taught by DemocRATS they shouldn’t be expected to pay for whereas any fool knows Sprint doesn’t give away free phones hence a cell phone has VALUE to this naboobs. PS the poor drove themselves to the rally for “free” healthcare after having a very satisfying meal (no distended bellies of true hunger here) from their homes with color tv, telephone, cable, refigerator, stove, well you get the picture.

Texan Across the Pond on April 21, 2008 at 06:57 pm
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I say hold back each time less value of welfare checks. A little hunger pain is a good motivator to go work. Enough leeching.

Rob Hogan on April 21, 2008 at 08:20 pm
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Give people the incentive to actually make their life better without penalize them for trying and you might actually make people want to get off welfare.  Instead of complaining about welfare being too good, why not work to make the jobs better.  When you have to work 2 or 3 part time minimum wage jobs (because there are no full time jobs for minimum wage employees) without ever getting a full day off to make what you do on welfare something is wrong with the available jobs not the available welfare.

Brad on April 21, 2008 at 10:15 pm

No it means that somethings wrong with the welfare programs paying people NOT to work is always a bad idea.

And don’t forget that most of the money going to the bureaucrats in the welfare system that are doing jobs NOT worth doing.

People on welfare should be shoveling sand for eight hours a day.  That’s an incentive to get out in the real world.


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The Whistler on April 22, 2008 at 05:46 am
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It is amazing how such hate and lack of charity comes out of the mouths of people who probably are walking around telling themselves what good Christians they are.

The first if there was actually a job shoveling sand for 8 hours a day to be had you would have people lining up to do it, but the fact is they don’t exist.  Secondly in most states they aren’t getting benefits not to work.  Welfare recipients are forced to go do crap jobs in order to receive their benefits.  They get the equivalent of minimum wage, without any of the benefits of actually being employed. Most of the people would be happy to do these jobs for cash rather than benefits, but these jobs too don’t exist for people not in the system.

Come up with jobs that people with a normal size family can live on with health care and you will find people moving out of the system

You will always have people who abuse the system, no matter how tough you make it, but that is no reason to try and screw everyone else who want out but can’t get out.

Brad on April 22, 2008 at 12:26 pm

Brad you’re so off base you can’t even see it from where you’re standing.

If a person could get a check while watching TV or a job shoveling sand they’d take the free money every time.

We need to require people to work, even if its at a make work job, in order to receive benefits. 

That will give them the incentive they need to go out and get a real job.

You method of paying them to sit on their couch ensures that people will be taking advantage of the situation as long as possible.

There’s nothing wrong with tough love.  On the other hand there is something deeply wrong with enabling self destructive behavior.

I should have added that these welfare recipients need to be subject to drug tests as well.


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The Whistler on April 22, 2008 at 12:33 pm

Come up with jobs that people with a normal size family can live on with health care and you will find people moving out of the system

Well that’s the point isn’t it.  The longer you stay on welfare the harder it will be to work your way up to a good job.

On the other hand even that part time job at McDonalds can lead to a better job in the future.  Employers look to how long you can hold a job and things like that when they make their decisions.

Holding people down is evil, but that’s liberalism.


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The Whistler on April 22, 2008 at 12:40 pm

It is amazing how such hate and lack of charity comes out of the mouths of people who probably are walking around telling themselves what good Christians they are.

Brad,

Please explain just what anyone’s religious affiliation has to do with this?  And why do you feel an attack on Christians and Christianity is called for?

In the first place, you have no idea who is and who is not a Christian, nor have you any idea what private or church-related charities and assistance programs any of us are involved with.  So for you to sit at your keyboard in smug, condescending judgment of that of which you know nothing is really the height of arrogance.

Second, if I recall Jesus’ parable about the Good Samaritan correctly, the Samaritan did not call upon the Roman Governor or the Praetorian Guard to institute a “census” appropriating food, clothing, and medicinal supplies from everyone else to care for the victim.  The charity alluded to was private, one individual helping another, not some massive government program imposed on all for the gratification of certain select Pharisetical consciences.

Indeed, that is why Jesus chose to use a Samaritan, the equivalent of a modern red-clay redneck, as the hero of his parable… to emphasize the personal nature of the love and care for one’s brother, not some impersonal, institutional salve for the upper middle class conscience.


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Bat One on April 22, 2008 at 12:51 pm

Come up with jobs that people with a normal size family can live on with health care and you will find people moving out of the system

Interesting! Not “Get a job with health care benefits, that would support a normal size family before you have one !”

They have jobs like those, Brad, they’re just not entry level jobs!



Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

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