Good job Wang Chung. The only thing I can add is, “God bless the Bolivian 2nd Infantry Battalion (RANGER).”

^ I bought one of “don’t be a douChe’ ” tee shirts Jimbo from Black Five was selling last summer, wore it one Saturday while I went about my business. It was mostly ignored except by young people who seemed to be intrigued by the graphic. Once I explained who he was and what he did they seemed appalled that I would even wear a shirt like that. I learned from the experience that young people haven’t a clue who the guy is, he’s just a cool looking graphic image. At the same time I came to the conclusion that history teachers are overpaid.

I have talked to Cubans. They LOVE Fidel. Maybe not the selfish ones Castro kicked to the curb, though.

He had the right idea. If people want to maintain a feudal system where few hold the wealth and everyone else eats dirt, the few should be sent packing.

Without socialism 99% of you would still be using outdoor plumbing.

Citizen you’re wasting words. Dino thinks that wealth is better controlled by the few who hold office rather than the many (by comparison) who earned it. He will gladly suffer the 100 senators, 435 congressmen, and the president controlling the wealth, but God forbid a few million possess the majority of the wealth they themselves generated by risk, investment, and labor. Nothing this guy says makes sense. Didn’t you see where he ignorantly claims to argue with a box of hammers? It’s best to leave it to itself.

I have never understood why anyone thinks Che is a hero or a great leader. He came to power under Castro, killed a bunch of his own citizens after running them through a kangaroo court, tried to foment a revolution in Africa, failed, tried to foment revolution in Bolivia and was killed. Honestly, besides killing helpless prisoners he was an abject failure.

At times they were so close that they mistook each other for the soldiegs chasing them, and the two units fired at each other. Che’s incompetence literally resulted in his own army fighting itself.

The fog of war only happens to our enemies? That is your argument against incompetence?

That happens in modern warfare…..dumb ass.

Not that I am defending Che, I don’t know much about him.

But if Rob is as inaccurate about Che, as he is about Bill Ayers, then I trust Hollywood over Rob.

The fog of war only happens to our enemies? That is your argument against incompetence?
That happens in modern warfare…..dumb ass.

A. He seperated his “army” into two units that couldn’t possibly communicate with each other.

B. He was so intent on getting some East German tail that his girlfriend illegally parked a car full of documents right where it would be noticed by the Bolivian Army.

And…

When Che was captured, the CIA worked hard to keep him alive. They had profiled him as a narcisist, and felt that he could be turned against Castro if his ego was played to. But Che had murdered so many innocent peasants that the Army faced a revolt if they didn’t execute him. Che’s biggest mistake was harassing the Catholics and trying to force communism on people who had no interest in his revolutionary bullsh**.

I don’t see any point in liberals defending Che Guevara – the guy was an incompetent and a moron. He has been elevated to be an icon of pop culture, which should tell us so much about the people who lifted him there – they know nothing about him and just bought the t-shirt/ poster/ bumper sticker because they thought it looked cool.

Our troops fire upon each other…..WITH……the ability to communicate. Does that mean we are more incompetent?

Your argument that Che made mistakes has not be made by suggesting he is incompetent simply because he made a bad decision here and there.

We’ve presented our case for Che being incompetent. From his fighting a dingy full of fireworks to the fact that his campaign in Africa was so bad that even he called it a failure as asked the following question, “What did the revolution actually have to offer the peasants of the fertile eastern Congo?” Why don’t you do us a favor and shower us Che’s military triumphs. If you do that we will be happy to proclaim Che the Patton of his day. (If you don’t like Patton fell free to place the name of the greatest General you can think of).

Your interpretation of the facts might not exactly line up with a solid argument of incompetence.

You’re more than welcome to dazzle us with Che’s accomplishments. Have at it! I like a good story.

cruelties were par for the course for Che and his gang. Jose’s father was lucky — at least he got out alive. Many didn’t. Some were just teenagers when Che — having identified them, often capriciously, as enemies of the revolution — blew their brains out.

Paul Bergman who describes Che as “extremely dogmatic, instinctively authoritarian, allergic to any democratic or libertarian impulse, quick to order executitions, and quicker still to lead his own comrades to their death in doomed guerilla wars,” calls the cult of Che “an episode of moral callousness of our time.” Although Che “achieved nothing but disaster,” and though he “founded Cuba’s labor camp system — that was eventually used to incarcerate gays, dissidents, and AIDS victims,” this “enemy of freedom…has been erected into a symbol of freedom.”

Those who choose to sit home watching TV all day instead of working shouldn’t be allowed in someone else’s pocket.

Amen

Look at Central and Southern Africa. Che succeeded far beyond his wildest dreams.

I have talked to Cubans. They LOVE Fidel. Maybe not the selfish ones Castro kicked to the curb, though.

were they at gunpoint?

most important item; if its so great, why do they risk death to come here and why does fiddle have to prevent them from leaving?

It is not uncommon for people to elect a idol in their lives look at what the American people elected to the president , it is sad but they did so not knowing anything about him, they just had a feel good time with Obama and now he is going to keep the economy in the tank for at least 7 to 10 years . the Che thing is about right for the so called educated young people they like someone they can identify with and have a feel good time with them selves. Of course the news was there not telling them about him so they can’t be totally to blame but I research any one I vote for and if they have bad ideas then I don’t give them my vote. Che is an unfortunate choice for any ones idol.

Amen

All men are created equal…after that, you’re on your own!!

Che was and joke as a “leader”. In his own diary he said that the operation in the Congo was a “a history of failure.” They made a series of mistakes. They were so poorly briefed that they arrived expecting to operate in flat terrain, not the mountains of the Congo. They also expected the same conditions that fueled the revolution in Cuba to be present. In his epilogue, Guevara asks the question that should have been posed long before he booked passage: What did the revolution actually have to offer the peasants of the fertile eastern Congo? Nothing, that is why he lost.

I have talked to Cubans. They LOVE Fidel. Maybe not the selfish ones Castro kicked to the curb, though.

Yeah… Only the selfish ones hate Fidel

His father had been a journalist under Batista. When Castro and Guevara came to power, they arrested and tortured him, and put out his eyes. On the day I met him, in his modest ground floor apartment, he sat in an upholstered chair in a book lined room and spoke to me with a courtliness and respect to which I was not accustomed. Ever since then, every time I’ve seen a Che T-Shirt on some clueless young person, I’ve thought of Jose’s father sitting in a living room, surrounded by books he could no longer read.

Gunpoint? Hopefully.

Just the selfish, ignorant ones who are much like our republicans want to leave. Then they get here and find all kinds of ways to get assistance. They didn’t like Castro’s socialism but seem to like ours. Like all those useless old Cubans in Florida. Like all foreign cons they see America as a place where they can get lots of services and pay little for them.

All rich countries have people wanting in. We’re not special.

I’d like to see how livable this country would be if there was a big, rich bully next door trying to destroy us. That they survived this long is a testament to their success as is their rating ABOVE the us in several indicators of societal health.

Che created the first concentration camp in Cuba to intern homosexuals.

And yet, the left loves him.

Its a good thing that the Africans (with the help of the Special Forces) squashed the “revolution” flat.

Thanks.

Che was a murderous little sociopath and narcissist, in addition to being a complete failure as a military commander.

During the Bay of Pigs, Cuba was divided into military regions, one under Fidel’s command, one under Raul’s, and one under Che’s. The Bay of Pigs was not in Che’s region. But the rebels decided to send a small boat ashore in Che’s region as a diversion. The boat was loaded with fireworks, and nothing else.

Leading his men in their gallant stand against a dingy full of firecrackers, Che mishandled his pistol and shot himself in the Jaw.

Che not a General Giap or General Washington. Given his military incompetence and left-wing authoritarianism, we could maybe say he was a Lt. Kerry.

P.S. It’s Wing Chun
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Bear,

Exactly, and in the 2000 or so years between the Founding of Rome to its sack by the vandals, or if you will, the fall of Rome-East (Byzantium)

Rome went from being ruled by a King, to a Republic, then to a Dictatorship. As the Romans became corrupted, indolent, blood-thirsty and ever-more homosexual, it collapsed.

But we do not owe a debt to Rome for the invention of indoor plumbing, nor to Socialism, which was born in the fevered mind of the German Jew, Karl Marx.

Indoor plumbing existed 4,000 years ago in Minos and Knossos.

Silly Leftist faggot.

http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/che_guevera_was_nothing_but_a_cold_blooded_killer/

If brutal, incompetent, murderous and ineffective governments equals success was the goal of the “revolution” in Africa then, yes, Che did a very good job. I know what you meant by that though and its a shame.

forcing the wealthy to share

That’s called SOCIALISM. All men are created equal…after that, you’re on your own. If you can’t achieve and prosper to some level in this country, you’ve got no one to blame but yourself.

Dino,

Yeah yeah, anybody who creates economic and social justice was a mass murderer or had a hidden agenda.

We’re talking about Ernesto “Che” Guevara. He did NOTHING to create economic or social justice; on the contrary, he perverted economic and social justice. Read some history, talk to some Cubans, and for Pete’s sake, stop being such a moron!

Good post Wang Chung!

Um, that already happened.

2006: Republicans control the White House, Congress and many state legislatures.

2009: Republicans control their bowels.

Dino: “Without socialism 99% of you would still be using outdoor plumbing.”

I was unaware the Roman Empire was socialist. Evidently, so were they, and so are the historians and sociologists who specialize in things Roman.

Or maybe you’re just dim.

(Let us not forget that the water closet which became the modern bathroom was not a work of socialism but capitalism. Or perhaps you’ve never seen the old catalogs that sold such things. I used to, in books, which certain dim people evidently cannot read. Books like Roman history, plumbing and bathroom history…)

Hannitized: “The fog of war only happens to our enemies? That is your argument against incompetence?”

No, the argument was based on Che making a mistake that a Boy Scout troop wouldn’t make nevermind experienced military men. If he split them up, then he should have instructed them on the path to take, when and where to stop, make communications between them, etc. Coordination is basic. This wasn’t two units under separate commands bumping into each other.

Dino: “Gunpoint? Hopefully.”

Let’s hear it for this paragon of free will who wishes Cubans and others would accept socialism at gunpoint.

Dino, I live the lifestyle I espouse, the politics I espouse, and the philosophies I espouse. If you were to, you’d be dead by now, having gone to your Cuban or Iranian paradise where for being a homosexual you’d have been publicly executed.

Please, feel free to go to Cuba or Iran and prove me wrong, but don’t sit here offering excuses. Anyone can get there easily from a third nation that doesn’t have a ban on travel to there which is most of the western hemisphere other than us. If you truly believed a single word you say, you’d be out there in a pink triangle t-shirt, bringing socialism with a rifle to the world and then end up in a box. Which is exactly why you spout twaddle on the net, because you lack the courage of your convictions in the face of certain knowledge of how wrong you are.

If you were right, you’d have zero to fear, and left our fair shores by now.