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In Barnesville, MN a Catholic church has denied confirmation to a teenager who took to Facebook supporting gay marriage in that state.

BARNESVILLE, Minn. – If you want to be a Catholic, you have to be 100 percent Catholic.

That’s the lesson one family here learned after their 17-year-old son was denied confirmation after the priest at the Assumption Church here found a pro same-sex marriage post on the teen’s Facebook.

The decision by the Rev. Gary LaMoine to deny the religious rite of passage for Lennon Cihak in mid-October shocked his mother, who said her son has gone to church every week and volunteered around the community in preparation for his confirmation this year.

“You kind of know the Catholic beliefs, but I never thought they would deny somebody confirmation because you weren’t 100 percent. I guess that’s what shocks me,” Shana Cihak said.

I’m really not sure what the controversy is here, or why this merits news coverage. Catholics don’t believe in gay marriage. This is no secret. The church’s leaders have been both outspoken and adamant about the position.

So why should we be surprised that the Catholic church doesn’t want to confirm a member who has shown a public and blatant disregard for what the church considers to be an important tenet of their faith? That’s like being outraged that the Yankees won’t sign a second baseman who doesn’t know how to hit a baseball.

I don’t agree with the Catholics on gay marriage. I think their position is wrong-headed, but I support their right to set their own moral standards and apply those standards within their organization as they wish.

I respect that the Catholics are trying to apply a consistent standard to their members that is consistent with their faith. I don’t agree with the outcome, but then that’s why I’m not a Catholic.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • kevindf

    Is there more to this story? Seventeen is an odd age for confirmation.

    • Chris Brownell

      I am willing to bet there is more to the story. Namely how this kid behaves, who he espouses his point of view to and where, and so on. Shockingly the stuff you put out on the web can come back to you.

      • randy b

        Right. How dare he express a point of view. He should really know better.

        • JustRuss

          Only if he wants the approval of the church, if he disagrees then he obviously doesn’t want to be a catholic. There are plenty of other churches where he will fit right in.

          <– not catholic

        • Wayne

          He has every right to express an opinion. But the Catholic Church doesn’t have to agree.

  • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

    Serious religion tends to operate at 100%. It’s not personal, it’s just business.

  • Jeff

    If the Vatican didn’t endorse the new James Bond movie (Skyfall) – they might have a bit more leg to stand on on this one.

  • Shelly_Fire

    Like my grandpa used to say, “Is you is, or is you ain’t”.

  • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

    Catholics don’t believe in gay marriage. This is no secret.

    Most, not all. And the Catholic priests are adjusting, as well.

    If the church allows nuts like Neiman to confirm or deny people their acceptance into the religion then it will come down to politics and using strange interpretations of the bible to effect politics, not what the bible actually says.

    • Neiman

      It is typical of ultra-liberal, very unchristian Hannitized to include lies in his comments.

      People that oppose Church teachings and that oppose clear biblical teachings have taken themselves out of the faith, no one, not even this priest kicked this young man out of the Church, he removed himself by his rejection of basic beliefs of the Church. This is the same thing when most people find themselves in hell, God will not send them there, by their freewill they rejected Him and His Word and went their by choice.

      I have no divine Authority, power or ecclesiastical organization to kick anyone out of the Christian faith, nor do I want such power; while I am advised by the lord, as are all Christians to test the spirits of those calling themselves Christians, if as in your case, they refuse to confess Him before men, finding flimsy excuses not based on Scripture; when they endorse kicking God out of the affairs of the nation; when they approve of the mass slaughter of helpless, innocent children; and when they condone homosexuality and support gay marriage contrary to Scripture, in light of such rejections of the faith, I can offer my honest opinion that they are not of the Christian faith, no matter their protest to the contrary.

      If you would oppose me and this priest and still think yourself a Christian, then using Scripture alone demonstrate that God also condones homosexuality and gay marriage and has set aside His commandment of “Thou shalt not kill (do murder)” in support of your pro-abortion beliefs. Correct what you perceive as errors by this priest, myself and other Christians. By what you perceive as being the real Truth, prove that our interpretations as historically taught, are in error and not what the bible actually says about these matters.

      Otherwise, you are lying about this matter. This priest, right or wrong in your non-Christian opinion, has a sacred obligation as a minister, to deny anyone openly opposing Church doctrine being confirmed or in the case of most Catholic legislators, deny them communion, making them if unrepentant excommunicate. I have an obligation when people present themselves as Christians publicly and oppose the faith as given us by Christ and His Apostles, to denounce them that they might not lead others astray by professing a faith they do not have.

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        The verses in The Bible you use to bash the gays, that you hate, over the head only deal with sodomy, of all kinds. Yet you don’t preach against heterosexual sodomy, only homosexual sodomy, probably because you are a closeted homo.

        • Neiman

          Both are wrong, I have said so in reply to you many times, but it is homosexuality that specifically God condemns, in Romans He talks of women using women or men using men against His design. Not just sodomy.

          If I were a closet anything, would that make the Truth any less the Truth? But, that is an age old game with you homosexuals, call anyone that opposes your evil with being gay to silence them, that you may take your debased lifestyles into the streets unopposed.

          24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

          When He destroyed Sodom it was because the corrupt men there want to use the angels that came in the appearance of men as they would use a woman sexually and rape them, it was homosexuality and you know it, but like all liberals and Christ haters, as He said you would do, you call those things He calls evil to be good or okay and those things He called good to be evil. You turn His Word upside down by your semantic gymnastics all to force His Word to approve of your debauchery.

          But, maybe I am in error, so prove from Scripture and that alone, use God’s Word to prove me wrong, show wherein He ever said anything positive about homosexuality or wherein He ever allows for any other form of marriage except one man to one woman and that for a lifetime. If you cannot do so by using the Bible alone, then it is you that are in most grievous error and an enemy of Christ.

    • Wayne

      Try reading the Bible sometime. You might learn something.

  • Mike Peterson

    I’m Catholic and stand by the Church in what it teaches.. but I’m concerned this story is going to rise to hysteric levels as sort of a “martyrdom” if you will, dang. But I think the compromise Republicans and religious faithful should have in regards to marriage is, to ease government out of marriage regulation in the first place. I believe this is what John Paul II called for back in the 1990’s. For being such fierce proponents of straight marriage as we Catholics are, the institution is in shams regardless- an over 50+% divorce rate, cheating, adultery, pornography, all that is still rampant. Perhaps we should look upon ourselves first and try to become the moral and just people we often ask others to be.

    Also, the Catholic position on marriage is that there really isn’t any marriage sanctioned by God if it’s outside our Church anyways. So with the humble understanding that banning marriage outside the church or homosexual marriages isn’t going to stop or even remotely slow down either- we should advocate to get government out of regulating marriage as much as possible and again, just focus on winning the culture battles without the hammer of the law by being moral and just.

  • spud

    Catholics who control the power are always ready to attack their own but when there corruption is shown they go behind the scenes to protect the guilty. Wonder why there are so many non practicing catholics. Church hierarchy is full of crooks and lousy human beings. The election this cycle shows what people think of the hierarchy. They are the sole reason people have lost there way in the church and there teachings.

    • Wayne

      BS

  • Allen Lanning

    I presume then all Catholic churches will have sign in sheets under which parishioners advise under religious oath how they voted on the political issues important to the church so that any deviations contrary to church doctrine will result in expulsion. 59% of American Catholics support same-sex marriage – will they be drummed out? More than that support a right to use conception – will they be drummed out?

    • Neiman

      Like all liars – you lie. There is no threat of demanding doctrinal submission by everyone, but when a Catholic publicly opposes Catholic doctrine, leading others astray, then action should follow.

      If they support same sex marriage and contraception use, they have removed themselves from the faith.

    • Onslaught1066

      More than that support a right to use conception [sic] – will they be drummed out?

      Congratulations Allen, only three comments in and you have achieved hanniturd level retardation status.

      Is this a personal best for you?

    • JustRuss

      They should be drummed out if they do not believe what the Church teaches. Those people should stop calling themselves Catholics and find a church that fits their views.

      It is the loss of the catholic church to do so, but it is morally correct for them.

  • Thresherman

    I’m wondering if denying confirmation to this kid based on an equally applied policy or if the priest is singling him out. I’m fine with the former and not so much with the latter.
    As for the church having the right to do this, I doubt anyone would object if the kid had posted on facebook that he didn’t believe in God and then was denied confirmation so this should be no different. But what irritates me is that the Catholic Church denies this kid but lets well known Catholics like Nancy Pelosi and others skate on the same issue.

    • Neiman

      The fairness of the application is NOT the issue, I agree that the Church should be much more consistent, within the limits of mercy in individual cases; but, whether priest-A says Madam Pelosi make take communion even though she opposes the Church; and Priest-B in opposition to a public approval of something condemned by the Church denies conformation is a matter for the Church to deal with internally, Priest-B was correct in his actions, Priest-A was incorrect, according to Church doctrine.

  • waterjoe

    The story – and the implied attitudes behind it – illustrate a problem with contemporary society — people think they have a right to everything. There is no “right” to confirmation. Nevertheless, denying the confirmation, whether right or wrong, is seen by many as an injustice. The next step is to demand that “something be done.” Do not be surprised if people start writing letters and petitioning the priest to change his position or, if he does not, be ostracized for his position.

    Although happening less in this country than in others, the next step is to turn to government to enforce the “right” and protect others from being denied the right, even if this means denying religious freedom. This is what is happening to with the contraceptive mandate. The administration has framed the matter as a “right to contraception” that the government must protect against those (Catholic employers) who would deny the exercise of that “right.”

    It is not, therefore, overreacting to say that infringement upon religious speech and forcing acceptance of same-sex “marriage” follows.

    A case in Canada illustrates this trend. An education official is insisting that Catholic schools be prohibited from teaching that abortion is wrong on the grounds that all students have a “right” to be protected from “misogynist” speech.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      The story – and the implied attitudes behind it – illustrate a problem with contemporary society — people think they have a right to everything. There is no “right” to confirmation.

      Exactly.

  • Wayne

    Rob, I think your position on gay marriage is ‘wrong-headed’.

    • Neiman

      He is an atheist, nuff said?

  • tomorrowclear

    Would these fine sticklers for Christian principles also deny communion to one of the burgundy-necked goobers in the flock who took to Facebook to cheer on a war or to riff on the ?

    Of course not, the miserable hypocrites. Consistent, my ass.

    It’s a pity we can’t redirect a bit of the histrionics about consenting adults fucking each other up the ass towards their own men of the cloth fucking little boys up the ass. They aren’t fond of discussing the latter. That’s probably why I am. I enjoy watching them whine as their selective morality, pardon the pun, rears its ugly head. Any Catholics reading this? When’s the last time you went to your local man of the cloth to register your outrage at your church’s decades-long enabling of pedophiles? How about a letter to your Pope-guy there? Can’t be bothered to do that, can you? But we can get you to register your outrage at Facebook posts and free birth control and two guys in St. Paul trying to marry. Yessir. That’s the thing about you geniuses, you have your priorities straight.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      You’re certainly free to think of them what you will.

      The fact remains, they have every right to conduct their business as they wish.

      I know that sort of freedom of conscience is anathema to people like you, but most of us still like to believe this is a free country.

  • kevindf

    He should be excommunicated for those pajama pants, alone!

  • BadgerFan82

    It’s interesting, because when you say that “Catholics don’t believe in gay marriage”, you mean the Catholic hierarchy, and those who are fully in line, not those who identify themselves as Catholic. I absolutely support the church’s right to deny confirmation or other rites to those who don’t follow their doctrine, but if they apply the rules across the board it will be interesting to see how many parishioners they have left. Cut out those who support gay marriage. Cut out those (men and women) who have sex before marriage or use birth control even within marriage. Refuse marriage to those who are living together across the board, like they do in some parishes. Do all of that, and see how much you have left. Sounds a lot like the Republican party and their purity tests actually.

    I was born and raised Catholic, and I still respect the church at some level, despite their handling of child abuse cases, the inability to realize they aren’t infallible in cases of world events, etc. In fact, I respect the church so much that when I finally realized I was never going to be in full agreement with the church again, I walked away rather than living a lie whenever I took communion. Huh, sounds a lot like why I turned my back on the Republicans after making the mistake of voting for Bush, round 2, and watching the influx of the Tea Party.

    • Stanb

      There very many “Cultural Catholics” I deal with them at many retreats. I was one of them. When I REALLY accepted Christ some of the things I had to change, like no longer hating my ex-wife after she basically abandoned me, came hard. But they were worth it. I never came to the realizations of what it means to be Christian until I personally read the Bible. I don’t believe you can get a complete Christian education through sermons on Sundays alone.

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