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Rob,

You forget this is the day and age when kids bring guns to school and murder people.

No, the punishment was just.  Battery is battery.

You forget this is the day and age when kids bring guns to school and murder people.

But this kid didn’t bring a gun to school.  He hit a couple of teachers and spit at them.

Inappropriate, sure, but enough for the cops to get involved?  That’s only going to further alienate the kid, I think.

If the kid has problems, arresting him isn’t going to make them better.

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The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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Especially not at the tender age of 7.

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The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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If a 7 year old student is hitting and spitting on teachers, then the parents are doing something wrong. Normal 7 year olds do not think it OK to attack and spit on adults. I doubt a simple call home would be enough.

Here in Louisiana you can’t arrest - or criminally charge -anyone under the age of 10. That’s the “age of culpability”, meaning that anyone under 10 can’t be culpable in a crime because they simply cannot understand that their behavior is criminal.

It’s a common sense law. Arresting a 7 year old accomplished nothing but further traumatizing the kid. I don’t mean to sound like a liberal here, but I will guarantee that subjecting this kid to the arrest process will have the opposite effect from what they’re seeking.

Sorry but 7 is just too young to face arrest.

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Election ‘08 - We Are So Screwed

No, the punishment was just.  Battery is battery.

And Bill’s battery is mostly dead. Heh. Heh.
Unless you’re discussing moonbattery, in which case, arresting a seven yr. old for spitting fits the bill!
Or maybe the police conspired against the seven yr. old because they heard he was a Romney supporter?
Careful what you wish for, Bill! They start arresting seven yr. olds and maybe you’re next!

I doubt a simple call home would be enough.

You suspend the kid, send him home with his parents. Which is ultimately where the kid ended up anyway.

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Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

This is simply one more example of how our over-paid, union-based, education bureaucrats manage to avoid any sort of responsibility for what they do, while soaking the taxpayers who foot the bill.

So-called “Zero Tolerance” doctrines allow teachers and administrators to avoid any sort of responsible decision making regarding discipline among students, and if tests show that students or schools themselves are failing, then clearly the tests are at fault, not the teachers… uh… educators and administrators whose job it is to teach.

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“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Being only semi-retired, for 5 years I have worked with special needs children from Kindergarden to High School. They are becoming increasingly violent and verbally abusive, with even 5-year-olds punching, kicking, scratching and using whatever they can lay their hands on to assault their teachers and classmates. Most of these children are taking different psychoactive drugs and by the end of the school day the drugs are wearing off and the uptick in violent behavior begins. The teachers cannot teach anymore, they just try and control the levels of violence like prison guards. They cannot defend themselves other than wrapping their arms around a violent student until the episode calms down (often getting bit and kicked in the process).

Local, state and federal laws are not designed to deal with these problems and help the children and support the teachers, just medicate the children and pass them along to other teachers as new victims. The parents are usually as impotent as are the teachers because old fashioned discipline is often defined as child abuse and places the parents at risk for losing their children and/or going to jail. No, I wasn’t talking about spanking, which I believe should be allowed if it is done properely, I am talking about taking away privileges, time out and other forms of discipline that liberal psychologists believe are abusive and deny the child their positive self-esteem.

My point here is twofold: (1) Arresting this child may have been the last step in a long series of failed attempts at reducing his violence, an act of desperation by the school trying to protect teachers that are unable to defend themselves. (2) Unless you work with special needs children, please be slow to judge such a situation, as we are raising the most disrespectful and violent generation of children ever, mostly because of liberal social policies. Just yesterday I had a 6-year-old girl tell me to “leave her alone and shut my big mouth.’ Another student (7-years-old) attacked me, called me vulgar names, gave me the middle finger salute, broke a window, hit another child, all because I asked him to sit down because he was endangering himself and others by his behavior, I was told that it would have been better to bribe him with a CD-Player and get him to sit down to earn the player. For the girl, she had to miss dessert that night, for the boy, one-day suspension and an adjustment of his drugs.

I’m telling you people that our schools are becoming battlegrounds and the teachers as well as normal children are in the line of fire.

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Sounds like grandstanding to me, on the part of the police and the school system.

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"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

Robert108:
While no one can be absolutely sure of the motives of the police or the school system in this case; with all due respect, I do not believe you understand what is happening in our schools today at all. Because of our current laws in this nation, our teachers are at risk daily, unable to defend themselves against violence; and how do you or anyone know whether or not this was a last desperate act to get this child to understand that there are consequences to such actions and how do you or anyone know whether or not this accomplished its purpose?

If people are going to attack the teachers, the school system and the police, to do so without offering examples of how this situation could have been better handled and thus allow their ideas to be examined, I think their views are not worth much.

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman: With all due respect, one of my sisters is an elementary schoolteacher in the Bay Area, so I am very familiar with the entire range of what is going on in our schools.  You might want to stick with what you know, and not base your conclusions on your erroneous speculations about what I know.
My statement was a very specific one, in being about the reality of arresting a seven year old child for discipline problems.  I doubt it accomplished anything substantive, and only served to garner publicity for the actors in this little melodrama.
It did nothing to address the fundamental problems of that child, but instead demonized him(and got him an arrest record).
Not a pretty sight.

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"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

It seems that a firm whack on the butt, or two, and restraint would be supported by ND’s self defense law that was passed last year.

This is what any 7 year old would get from me in this case.

Maybe the kid deserved the arrest.

Many kids are evil bastards these days. Consequences for bad behavior are disappearing. Perhaps this episode served to remind the kid that consequences still exist.

We don’t know the situation here.

This is what any 7 year old would get from me in this case.

I agree. Corporal punishment is rapidly disappearing from American schools. Who but the moonbattiest of parents would prefer a criminal record for their child in lieu of a good swat on the rear?

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Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Maybe the kid deserved the arrest.
Many kids are evil bastards these days. Consequences for bad behavior are disappearing. Perhaps this episode served to remind the kid that consequences still exist. We don’t know the situation here.

I hope you all got this fro Likwidshow above: (1) We don’t know the situation here in any detail and thus premature judgments and attacking those involved is to work from a place of ignorance. (2) Maybe, if all the details were known, this may have been as I suggested a last act in a long line of actions that did not produce the desired results. (3) While ND may allow spanking by parents or teachers, what teacher would take the risk of going to jail should someone disagree with the number of whacks or the firmness thereof. Any teacher spanking a child, even if the law permits it, are risking their careers.

Who but the moonbattiest of parents would prefer a criminal record for their child in lieu of a good swat on the rear?

(1) On what evidence are you judging these parents as moonbats? (2) Wouldn’t this child have their records closed because of age, have them expunged at age 18 and thus not have any criminal record at all? (3) Absent any clear evidence, which was not provided in the article above, why have you decided the parents are not worthy of your respect?

You might want to stick with what you know, and not base your conclusions on your erroneous speculations about what I know.

(1) I apologize, I didn’t realize you have intimate knowledge of what takes place in every school district in the country. (2) I didn’t realize you have been inside the school in question and are thus able to absolutely judge this matter. I should have known better, there is not a single subject under the Sun which you do not believe you have a superior knowledge of and which you think anyone else has a right to express their opinion about without suffering your verbal shit-bombs.

To everyone here but Robert108; these threads rarely contain sufficient facts to allow us to make absolute judgments, but for every teacher I know except Robert108’s angelic sister, Likwidshow was right that bad (violent, rude, disruptive) behavior is rampant in every school today; and except the one with Robert108’s sister, the teachers are at risk as are other children and despite Robert108"s abolute knowledge of every detail of every subject under the Sun, all the teachers I know with special needs and emotionally disturbed children live in fear not just of their physical safety, but they fear losing their careers even in the act of self defense.

I realize that on the surface an arrest appears excessive in this case, but if you were inside this environment and knew all the facts, perhaps you might have a little more charity for these teachers and parents. A few years ago I had several ED students and I had to break up fights everyday, suffering some injuries in the process, the worst offender required 6-months of exhaustive evaluations and many physical attacks until at last he was placed in a special school, which turned him in to an A+ student even after he was sent back into the regular educational system. Six months of injuring teachers and fellow students and I have to wonder if the scare of an arrest might have saved a lot of us some injuries and precious time lost educating the non-violent students.

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

I apologize, I didn’t realize you have intimate knowledge of what takes place in every school district in the country. (2) I didn’t realize you have been inside the school in question and are thus able to absolutely judge this matter. I should have known better, there is not a single subject under the Sun which you do not believe you have a superior knowledge of and which you think anyone else has a right to express their opinion about without suffering your verbal shit-bombs.
Neiman on February 2, 2008 at 10:28 am

Amen, brother.

Neiman: Despite your hateful spew and insincere apology, you stated that I knew nothing about what goes on in school these days, and you were wrong.  I never claimed any of the knowledge you spew about; I simply opined that arresting a seven year old is grandstanding.  As usual, you make a mountain out of a molehill and manage to spew more hate when someone calls you on your self-righteousness.  I pity you.
I also never said my sister was “angelic”, nor did I make any statements about what goes on in her school, so she doesn’t deserve any of your hate at all.  You are a scoundrel for trying to include her in your hate toward me.
I’m sorry you have personally had so much trouble at your particular school, but I think you might be mistaken in generalizing your experience to all schools, or even the one in this case.

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"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

Amen, brother.

Birds of a feather...Both of you specialize in making self-righteous mountains out of molehills.
Neiman made a false statement about me, and now throws a hissy fit because I corrected his ignorance.
He’s the only one throwing “shitbombs” here.

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"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

You forget this is the day and age when kids bring guns to school and murder people.

No gun was involved here.

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"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

Neiman made a false statement about me.
robert108 on February 2, 2008 at 10:49 am

You think to much of yourself.
Neiman’s observation is extremely accurate.

Neiman: ......
I also never said my sister was “angelic”, nor did I make any statements about what goes on in her school, so she doesn’t deserve any of your hate at all.  You are a scoundrel for trying to include her in your hate toward me.
I’m sorry you have personally had so much trouble at your particular school, but I think you might be mistaken in generalizing your experience to all schools, or even the one in this case.

robert108 on February 2, 2008 at 10:44 am

Quit yer whining.
You are the one that brought your sister into this debate. Therefore she is subject to the same rules you apply to others.

There was a case in our state of a 6 year old kicking a secretary so hard that she fell down and needed to go to the hospital.  The parents are responsible until they give up that right or the state, by court order, takes that responsibility.

Arresting someone is a stretch, but as a retired teacher do agree that discipline in the schools is necessary before any learning can happen.  I was not there and do not know all the circumstances, but if the child did not submit to school authority or in loco parentis, then the next authority must be summoned.

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Communism is evil

You are the one that brought your sister into this debate.

No, I didn’t.  This is no debate; Neiman falsely stated that I knew nothing about what goes on in schools these days, and he was wrong.  Other than being proof that Neiman is wrong, my sister isn’t any part of this non-debate.  You and Neiman are simply shouting your hate, and the rest of us are correcting you.  Your fragile egos can’t take it, and neither of you are man enough or of sufficient integrity to admit you are wrong.
You keep dancing and spinning, e, to no avail.  You are simply wrong on everything you write.

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"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

Neiman: With all due respect, one of my sisters is an elementary schoolteacher in the Bay Area, so I am very familiar with the entire range of what is going on in our schools. You might want to stick with what you know, and not base your conclusions on your erroneous speculations about what I know.
robert108 on February 2, 2008 at 09:36 am

Neiman: Despite your hateful spew and insincere apology, you stated that I knew nothing about what goes on in school these days, and you were wrong.  I never claimed any of the knowledge you spew about;
robert108 on February 2, 2008 at 10:44 am

Cant have it both ways buster.

The “entire range” is not specific knowledge, just the knowledge of how the school system works.  You are confused, as usual, or simply dishonest.
Glad you acknowledge that Neiman’s statement about me was false, though.

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"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

I feel as though today kids who have behavior problems are to quickly put on this list that recommends drugs to alter their behavior.

I had several friends who where in Special Ed mainly for fighting with teachers and doing other foolish things that wild youngsters do.

In fact these friends where wild outside of school and most of them even got arrested for different things, but today they all managed to become “Normal”

Growing up today, they all probably would of been forced to take these magical drugs, that make it easier for those who have authority to deal with their behavior.

But guess what? All their rebellion and tough guy attitudes dwindled with age. I always connected kids who behaved like that to a wild horse who refused to be tamed and broken.

But then this is not always the case, is it?

Where ever these kids on these drugs end up, and what stage of mind they will have left I question. I mean what’s next for them lobotomies?

I do not believe you understand what is happening in our schools today at all.

It was offered with the statement, with all due respect, pointing out in a resonablE way, from an insiders knowledge, even here in California, that most the of our schools in this country are a battleground. But, as usual your massive ego could not tolerate any opposition of any kind, no matter how decently and respectfully offered. You deliberately, with malice, misinterpreted my reasonable, rational comments as BEING a personal attack on your omniscience and again you charge me with hate, which only reveals that in your RAGING megalomania you believe can read the minds and motives of others. You do this to anyone that dares disagree with you in even the smallest way, and who offer facts, as you cannot deal with any facts that contradict your godlike knowledge.

I challenge anyone here to read my original comments and point to any disrespectful language on my part. If so, point it out and I’ll apploogize. Of course, that invitation is not open to his highnASS!

You are absent the kind of normal decency and respect for others due to your out of control egotism. You sir are to be pitied. Other here can disagree in a respectful, reasonable manner, but you seem to find any opposing views, no matter how small to be intolerable. It is my view that you would be incapable fo standing up to any man face to face, but here where you can hide you feel free to attack others, thus you are, in my estimation, a pathetic coward.

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

But, as usual your massive ego could not tolerate any opposition of any kind, no matter how decently and respectfully offered.

Absolutely false.  You made a false statement about the state of my knowledge, and I corrected you.  You then compounded your mistake by attacking my sister and spewing hate at me for questioning you.
A simply apology for your initial error would have been sufficient, but your massive ego can’t stand to be questioned, obviously.  I pity you.
I don’t think you were respectful, in that you made a false statement about me out of ignorance and arrogance.  What gave you the idea that you know anything about what I know about the school system?
That was your original error.  You could have offered a factual or logical rebuttal to my claim of grandstanding, but you chose to personally attack me instead, and you were mistaken in your attack.

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"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

Regardless of what this boy’s back story is the adults dropped the ball. Whether he is a special needs kid souped up on meds, a special needs kid who should be on meds, a regular kid having a really bad day, a true blue bad ass kid, or however you want to speculate about him, the adults who were supposed to be teaching him and nurturing him dropped the ball.

I’ve seen kids on meds lose it. Handcuffing them wouldn’t have helped. I’ve seen my own kids who are not on any meds lose it. Handcuffing them is not an option on our list of de-escalation strategies. Grown folk who are supposed to know better failed this kid at least once, and very likely more than once, for him to get to the state reported.

Robert108: Every time you get opposed, not just by me, by anyone, there is massive documented evidence via your many comments at SA that makes it appear you simply cannot stand it and you cry like a freaking little baby every time, then you play fast and loose with the facts and have never, and I mean never been able to backup any of your lying accusations against anyone here. You are a cheap lying schollyard bully. You brought your sister into the conversation, not I and calling her an angel is hardly a freaking insult, except to a hypersensitive punk like you. You took offense when I simply intimated you may not have first hand knowledge of our current state of affairs dealing with these type of kids; and God knows you blow up like a cheap firecracker is up your ass every time, and I mean every time anyone will not submit to your bullying, your paranoia, your megalomania and agree with you just to salve your massive ego.

Problem is little girly man, I won’t take your lying crap and it pisses you off. You wallow in your self pity and try and enlist others, like a typical bully, to help you fight someone that punched you in your rather huge mouth because you cannot fight a real man alone. You don’t want to debate like a decent, rational man, respecting those holding divergent views from your own. No, you take every challenge as a personal insult, and that’s fine; but since you are so easily offended and go on crying jags and get your lace panties in a bunch so often when opposed, there is a simple solution butthead - do not reply to any of my comments and the case is solved. I realize that is too freaking hard for you to remember, better get out your crayons and write it down. Now, just once in your girly life pay some damn attention, here is the quotation that caused you to pitch such a damn girly-man fit:

While no one can be absolutely sure of the motives of the police or the school system in this case; with all due respect, I do not believe you understand what is happening in our schools today at all.

(1) Knowing how easily your wittle feewings are hurt, I deliberately said I was offering my comments with respect for your having a different view.
(2) Believe is a word that does not indicate any degree of certainty, rather it is a personal opinion, not certitude. Such a term cannot, by any sane human being, be considered an accusation, rather it is an obvious attempt to compare your statements to the daily reality of dealing with Special Needs children in most school districts in America.
(3) There is nothing, absolutely nothing in my quote above that would encourage me to apologize; rather you should ask for my forgiveness for your blowing up a totally innocent observation and making it into a freaking assassination attempt against his divine holiness Robert the 108th.

Gees, get a freaking grip on reality! I do respect your intellect and ability to argue your points, but I warned you a long time ago, either debate respectfully or I will not sit idly by and stay silent, I learned the hard way, with bullets coming my way, that when the enemy shoots at me first, I will return fire quickly and use overwhleming force to make sure the bastard doesn’t shoot again.

Oh, have a nice day and be careful out ther, you might meet someone in real life that will settle your hash quite rudely and forcefully.

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Robert108: Every time you get opposed…

Nice try, but you made a false statement about my knowledge of today’s schools, and you were wrong to do so, just as you are wrong to try to prevail by mounting ever more shrill and hateful personal attacks against me.  Get over yourself and try acting like a gentleman.
I know you can do it.  You were wrong in your assumption about me; accept the truth and apologize for your bearing false witness.

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"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

A false witness, has to know what they are saying is factually wrong and asert that it is the truth. I did not make any false statement about you, I said I BELIEVE - BELIEVE - BELIEVE you were ignorant of the really world in the school systems in America today. Had you asserted first hand knowledge, my assumption would have proved to be in error, but not false as it was only an assumption. Further, I don’t care if your sister is a rocket scientist, a close family relation with her would not qualify you as a rocket scientist. Thus, just because she teaches school does not mean you haver any first hand, real life knowledge of the matter and thus you have proved my assumption was not false at all, you were resting in her knowledge and thinking that hearing it second hand makes it an absolute, universal truth and you an expert in the matter - WRONG Moosebreath.

Once again you chose to hoist your own petard (explosive charges) upon God’s Throne and you presumed to know my motives, when once again you faslely accuse me of hate. You cannot poissibly discern the difference between a man defending himself against your scurrilous attacks and someone that acts in hate. When a cheap bully comes at me, until the day I die, I will punch the sucker in his face without apology or hate, which is how I act towards your schoolyard bully tactics. No hate, just a verbal punch in your big mouth as an act of self defense.

You could have said that ‘You are right, I don’t have first hand knowledge, but my sister is a school teacher and she has an opposite view of that state of our school systems are in and violence in the class room.’ That would have been an appropriate, measured reaction. Wherein, I would have accepted that answer and simply reasserted my views from my experiences, but you had to get all pissy about it without any justification and got punched for your touble.

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Once upon a time children were taught to respect their elders, AND no matter if they hated their teachers they seldom reacted with a punch or a spit.  Most Kids today are spoiled. They have no idea of how fortunate they are to be given the opportunity to be educated. AND they have no concept of what it is to work hard for things they want. Parents have confused want with need. AND last but not least government has poked it’s ugly head into our lives so that parents and teachers are unable to do their jobs. It is very sad to see how disrespectful children are in classrooms and at home.

I said I BELIEVE - BELIEVE - BELIEVE you were ignorant of the really world in the school systems in America today.

Granted.  What was the source of this belief?  You may plead innocence on knowing that what you said was wrong, but you never asked me about it before you made your statement, so your intent is in question here.
You ask me for consideration for you, when you had none for me.  I recommend you dial back your hatred a bit.
You also took a swipe at my sister, who has done nothing to ruffle your feathers.  That was also false witness, made out of angry ignorance, along with all the other false statements you have made about me in your multiple tirades.

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"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

My original statement, the one that provoked your hateful attack:

Sounds like grandstanding to me, on the part of the police and the school system.

“Sounds like...” How is that different from “I believe..”?  You’re the only bully here, Neiman; I only asked you to be accurate in your statements about my level of knowledge, or at least to admit you have no idea what you are talking about when you talk about me.

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"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

Wow all you cowards are silent.
Neiman is right and you all know it. What are you afraid off?
Do not take my word for it. If any of you have any decency left you will take a minute read the coments and chastize this dog for what he does.
I guess there is no decency left amongst you.
Shame on you all.

Neiman I know you don’t need my help to stand up to this asshole for a person. But I feel obligated to point out that all your observations about him are correct. I challenge this spineless person every chance I get because he is an able debater. But I have come to the conclusion that his truths are very debatable. He accuses everyone that does not agree with him of lying or some ther thing. But it is he that is lying.
In closing shame on all the cowards for not speaking up.

Sounds like grandstanding to me, on the part of the police and the school system.

I did not day this above! Oh, my God in Heaven his holiness Robert the 108th made a freaking mistake. I am sure the world is turning on its axis, trembling in fear of your wrath.

Only you would say calling your sister angelic was an attack on her person. But, her brother is nearly divine, so I guess any disagreement with you is an attack on your entire family in your mentally unstable world.

NO I DO NOT KNOW THAT WHAT I SAID WAS WRONG, because it was not wrong, it was not an unreasonable assumption, no rational person could define it as an attack on you in any shape, manner or form.

There you go again, accusing me of hate, playing God, playing at being omniscient and knowing the thoughts and motives of others, which must keep you continually occupied in judging everyone falsely.

There you go again, interpreting any disagreement as a tirade, an angry attack on your divine person. You react totally out of all proportion to a simple, wholly benign statement, then when the person attacked dares hit you back, you the agressor are not the bad guy, anyone defending themself are the real bads guys, after all you are superior in every way to every other human being and you demand that you be above any disagreement by we mere mortals.

Maybe some day you will send your son to a cross to forgive me of my horrible sins of self defense! Mea culpa! Mea culpa! Well it is weeks of self flagellation in sackcloth and ashes Neiman for even daring to defend myself against his holiness Robert the 108th! Geez, what a gigantic ego you have!

You were in the wrong when you first overreacted, you were wrong above, get over it, you are just like the rest of us freaking mortals and do not deserve the worship you crave.

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

But I have come to the conclusion that his
truths are very debatable.

Your “debate” consists mostly of unsubstantiated personal attacks.  What a laugh.

Looks like I made some self-righteous heads explode.

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"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

If I recall this post was about a seven year old boy who was arrested, taken away in handcuffs, and cited for assault, not a pissing contest between two grown men. Frankly I have no interest in the pissing contest. I’m a bit more concerned about the boy.

Ellinas: It is really too bad! He is an an intelligent man, at times he is a superb debater. I have told him on previous occasions that we share many views of the world. I have written under threads and privately trying to encourage him and to speak of our common beliefs, but he will never be able to crawl down off his cross and accept that like all of us he can make mistakes, react emotionally, sometimes overreact and eve be a pain in the ass. Yet, every time I have tried to find common ground and deal with him in a positive way, he sees it as weakness and continues to defend his mean spirited reactions.

So, like you, I just won’t let him get away with it, I will challenge him every time. Too bad really, with a little effort to control his ego he has a lot to offer, more than me really.

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman: You don’t know my sister, so your sarcastically calling her “angelic” was intended as a slam, and you know it; you just aren’t man enough to admit your mean spiritedness.
You are the only one who has ever claimed divinity for me, and you are just as mistaken as you were in your original statement in this thread about me.  Your anger is out of control, and your self-delusion that you are somehow a victim here, while spewing hate and insults is pathetic.  I pity you.
Come clean, confess your sin, and ask for forgiveness.
Remember, it’s repentance, atonement, forgiveness.
You seem to be full of false pride, as well as boiling hatred.
You are the only one who preaches to people here, self-righteously posing as someone with superior faith, and then you degenerate into hatred when called on a fairly simple mistake.

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"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

You people take this shit way to seriously, which asshole should I defend? To me this is just pure entertainment, the battle between the bigheads.

I would only defend women here, These two are grown men, or should I correct that statement? Besides I think they enjoy it, I know I do.

So I will not defend either of them, instead I’ll attack both these fucking morons.

Samantha: In a way you are right; but until and unless you are around a while and witness Robert108’s intolerance of disagreement with his vierws and his mean spirited reactions, it is I think a bit unfair to judge us for defending ourselves.

Having witnessed daily the serious increase in school violence, the toleration of rudness and disobedience, my only desire was to get people here to be a bit more tolerant of the people involved, as the facts may prove this was a last act to get this kid to understand there are consequences to his acts. Reasonable people can disagree, but on the front lines of this war, the possible solutions are fewer and fewer and we need as a people to change course before it is too late.

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Wetback: Is this payback for noting your anti-semitism and hatred of homosexuals?

Neiman: You don’t know my sister, so your sarcastically calling her “angelic” was intended as a slam, and you know it; you just aren’t man enough to admit your mean spiritedness. You are the only one who has ever claimed divinity for me, and you are just as mistaken as you were in your original statement in this thread about me.  Your anger is out of control, and your self-delusion that you are somehow a victim here, while spewing hate and insults is pathetic.  I pity you.
Come clean, confess your sin, and ask for forgiveness.
Remember, it’s repentance, atonement, forgiveness.
You seem to be full of false pride, as well as boiling hatred.
You are the only one who preaches to people here, self-righteously posing as someone with superior faith, and then you degenerate into hatred when called on a fairly simple mistake.

You are in urgent need of psychotropic drug intervention for your delusions of grandeur. Take my original statement, then diagram how it represented any kind of an attack on your knowledge or warranted your juvenile overreaction and then we can talk. Until then I will not back off, you will have to, it is time your massive ego was deflated and you stopped lying with every breath. You cannot support one lie in your last comments, you have not one iota of subjective evidence in your favor and you know it, so now go home and cry to mommy like you usually do!

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

That’s funny, Neiman: you mischaracterize me, and suddenly you are the victim because I corrected you.  You make a big deal out of it, and you were the one who committed the offense.  I pity you.

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"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

I’ve been reading posts at Say Anything since shortly after I began blogging at the end of 2003. Is that long enough in your opinion for me to judge that the two of you are in a pissing match?

As I said before (you may have missed it in the heat of your battle) the adults around him failed this child, regardless of your experiences or anyone elses.

I’m a bit more concerned about the boy.

So am I, which was why I opined that it was grandstanding.  I think arresting a seven year old boy is overkill, and more for the pride of the arrestors than for the boy.  Then the attacks began…

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"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

Take my original statement, then diagram how it represented any kind of an attack on your knowledge or warranted your juvenile overreaction and then we can talk.

I never said you attacked me in that statement, only that you were wrong, and explained why.  To you, that was an excuse for unleashing a vomitous spew of hate and more wrongful statements about me and my sister.
Shame on you!

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"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

just aren’t man enough to admit your mean spiritedness.
You are the only one who has ever claimed divinity for me, and you are just as mistaken as you were in your original statement in this thread about me.  Your anger is out of control, and your self-delusion that you are somehow a victim here, while spewing hate and insults is pathetic.  I pity you.
Come clean, confess your sin, and ask for forgiveness.
Remember, it’s repentance, atonement, forgiveness.
You seem to be full of false pride, as well as boiling hatred.
robert108 on February 2, 2008 at 07:14 pm

Wow now you are a preacher on top of everything else.

Wow now you are a preacher on top of everything else.

What did I preach?  I am reaching out, as a regular human being to someone who is so filled with hate that it has blinded him to his normal values.  You could use some of that as well.  You have also descended into hate, and have left all pretense of debate, e.

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"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

As I said before (you may have missed it in the heat of your battle) the adults around him failed this child, regardless of your experiences or anyone elses.

Please note my previous comment to you.  I spoke to one who had made a false statement about me, and then the attacks began…
I don’t believe this boy was served by being arrested, and said so.  You may agree or disagree with me on that, but it certainly doesn’t justify the bile that has been spewed in my direction by those two.

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"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

Come clean, confess your sin, and ask for forgiveness.
Remember, it’s repentance, atonement, forgiveness.
You seem to be full of false pride, as well as boiling hatred.
robert108 on February 2, 2008 at 07:14 pm

You manipulative dog you. You are attempting to invoke and involve Neiman’s religiosity to your advantage.
Is there anything sacred in your quest for supremacy?

I’ve been reading posts at Say Anything since shortly after I began blogging at the end of 2003. Is that long enough in your opinion for me to judge that the two of you are in a pissing match?

So, you read my original comments carefully and Robert108’s initial reaction, and concluded that in defending myself it was just some pissing contest? Strange! Have you ever noticed how many people he attacks on a daily basis here? You cannot have noticed that and then deny me the right of self defense. Well, maybe I do understand, maybe it’s because women today generally don’t have any concept of manhood and the right of any man to self defense when attacked. It is an old code of behavior when women still looked like women and acted like women and could attract real men, you know before they became more like men and most of them suffered from penis envy like so many do today.

Robert: You have only to pity yourself as you are beneath contempt. You need women to defend your uncouth, miserable, mean spirited behavior, as face to face any real man would knock you on your ass. So, go hide under Samantha’s skirt and suck your thumb. In the meantime, this fight will not end until after your last comment followed by mine.

I made a very benign comment questioning the validity of your views because you did not face this situation in your daily life. No one, not even your pal Samantha could honestly read it and determine I had in any way insulted you. Had you simply disagreed the matter would have ended, but I will never allow you to attack me without just cause and sit idly by, I will never surrender to a girly man like you.

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

You manipulative dog you. You are attempting to invoke and involve Neiman’s religiosity to your advantage. Is there anything sacred in your quest for supremacy?

Nope! Absolutely nothing!

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Wow now you are a preacher on top of everything else.
ellinas on February 2, 2008 at 07:37 pm

What did I preach?  I am reaching out, as a regular human being to someone who is so filled with hate that it has blinded him to his normal values.  You could use some of that as well.  You have also descended into hate, and have left all pretense of debate, e.
robert108 on February 2, 2008 at 07:42 pm

What did you preach you say?
I am reaching out, as a regular human you say?

Well hell pastor Robert108 what is this:

Come clean, confess your sin, and ask for forgiveness.
Remember, it’s repentance, atonement, forgiveness.
You seem to be full of false pride, as well as boiling hatred.
robert108 on February 2, 2008 at 07:14 pm

You lying scum you. You sound worst then Ted Haggard.

I never said you attacked me in that statement, only that you were wrong, and explained why

What incredible self delusion!

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman, yes I’ve read these comments and have concluded that you are squabbling like children. If you disagree with my assessment of your behaviour there’s nothing that I can or will do about that. Goodnight gentleman. I hope you enjoyed your fight.

Ellinas: I am old and getting tired, I leave the field of battle to you for the rest of ther night. I’ll probably comment tommorow, as I don’t care who wins the Super Bowl, neither one is a team I have invested any emotion in.

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Good night Neiman.

Samantha do not be a wuss. Standing up for truth and justice is a noble endeavor. You are taking the easy way out by pretending that you are taking the high road.
Anyway good night to all.
Till we cross keyboards again.

Once again for those that missed this Kodak moment:

Wow now you are a preacher on top of everything else.
ellinas on February 2, 2008 at 07:37 pm

What did I preach?  I am reaching out, as a regular human being to someone who is so filled with hate that it has blinded him to his normal values.  You could use some of that as well.  You have also descended into hate, and have left all pretense of debate, e.
robert108 on February 2, 2008 at 07:42 pm

What did you preach you say?
I am reaching out, as a regular human you say?

Well hell pastor Robert108 what is this:

Come clean, confess your sin, and ask for forgiveness.
Remember, it’s repentance, atonement, forgiveness.
You seem to be full of false pride, as well as boiling hatred.
robert108 on February 2, 2008 at 07:14 pm

You lying scum you. You sound worst then Ted Haggard.
ellinas on February 2, 2008 at 07:56 pm

Come clean, confess your sin, and ask for forgiveness. That’s the reaching out part.
Remember, it’s repentance, atonement, forgiveness.  Anyone who reads the Bible knows this.
You seem to be full of false pride, as well as boiling hatred. Fully illustrated by all the hatespew and personal attacks from Neiman.  It’s just true.

You lying scum you.

And you predictably reply with personal attack and namecalling, again unsubstantiated and full of hateful bile.  You prove me right with your every comment.

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"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

You manipulative dog you. Nice juvenile namecalling, no substance, as usual. You are attempting to invoke and involve Neiman’s religiosity to your advantage. Actually, Neiman self-righteously parades his own religiosity all the time.  He is hoist with his own petard this time.  What goes aroung comes around.  What is Christian about his hateful attacks on me? Is there anything sacred in your quest for supremacy?  You’re just making that up; all I am doing is to refute your hateful attacks and call you on your false statements; ditto Neiman.  He said I didn’t know about schools, and I do.  He hasnt had the simple decency to admit his error. I have never been out for “supremacy”, only the truth.

As you may have come to realize, even two of you can’t successfully bully me.  Shame on you.

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"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

You need women to defend your uncouth, miserable, mean spirited behavior, as face to face any real man would knock you on your ass.

Again with the physical threats, Neiman.  I’m not the one hiding behind ellinas’ skirts, that’s you.

I assume Samantha has told the truth about what she perceives, but you can’t seem to deal with that.  Your bullying has come to naught, and now you dance and spin, instead of admitting your original error.
You said I didn’t know about the schools today, and you were wrong.  At least be a man and admit your error.  It might regain you some respect, because you have made a fool of yourself with your massive overreaction to a well-deserved correction.  You were wrong.  Face up to it like a man.  Your ganging up with ellinas didn’t work.

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"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

Come clean, confess your sin, and ask for forgiveness. That’s the reaching out part.
robert108 on February 2, 2008 at 09:22 pm

No. You confuse reaching with preaching.

Damn three posts to just muddy up the waters.

No. You confuse reaching with preaching.

Where’s the preaching? What did I say that you imagine is “preaching”.  Forgiveness is a well-known concept, and I made no mention of God at all.  As usual, you simply make things up.
The waters were clear here before you started your campaign of hatred.

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"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke