Senator Kent Conrad: If You’re Against The Civilian Terror Trial You Can Leave America

Bold words from the Senator who probably wouldn’t be speaking so boldly if he were up for re-election next year given the sentiments of his constituents.


Apparently concerns about due process rights and evidentiary procedures aren’t serious in the Senator’s opinion:

(CNSNews.com) – Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) told CNSNews.com that civilian courts are well-suited to prosecute al Qaeda terrorists and that “if people don’t believe in our system, they ought to go somewhere else.”
Conrad also dismissed a question about the rights of terrorists captured on foreign battlefields and the rules of evidence in terms of a civilian court trial as not serious. …
Conrad said: “You’re not being serious about these questions, are you?”
CNSNews.com: “[Yes], in a civilian trial. If I was on trial or you were on trial, that would have to be [done].”
Conrad responded, “We have tried terrorists in our courts and done so very successfully in the past and that is our system. So if people don’t believe in our system, maybe they ought to go somewhere else.”

The problem with Conrad’s statement is that the terrorists we’ve tried in our courts before (McVeigh, for instance, and the 1993 World Trade Center bombers) were captured domestically by domestic law enforcement officers.
Terrorists like Khalid Sheik Mohammed weren’t captured by domestic law enforcement agencies and they weren’t captured domestically. KSM, for instance, was captured by Pakistani forces and handed over to the US military for detention at Guantanamo Bay. Other terrorists of his ilk were captured by our military.
Typical procedures put in place to comply with civilian judicial standards here in America were not followed because these were not civilian criminals but rather enemy combatants.
Senator Conrad thinking this is all no big deal illustrates that he’s either got an utter lack of respect for our rule of law or is utterly naive as to how this law actually works.

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  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    He’s a US citizen which is a different deal.

  • djer

    No Rob, the question asked of Conrad was about soldiers needing a warrant during a war to enter a home. That was idiotic. We have had numerous successful terrorist trials in this country. What are you so afraid of?

    and yes, Rob, it was an idiotic question!

  • sayanything-203

    Most of the Gitmo prisoners were not captured on a battlefield.

    Even if that fact (?) was true, many, such as Khalid Sheik Mohammed, are still illegal combatants according to international law, the Geneva Conventions. Furthermore, the same Geneva Conventions forbids the trial of captured combatants, legal or illegal, in the civilian courts of the capturing country.

  • AKA WOOF

    Most of the Gitmo prisoners were not captured on a battlefield.

  • sayanything-8606

    You can get on the first steamer to China, asshat. PLEASE

  • brain trust

    Can you imagine how long it would have taken to run the surviving German, Italian and Japanese soldiers through our court system. Too bad most of the prisoners at Gitmo didn’t die of lead poisoning on the battlefield. Kent for Rent is going to have to start sounding real patriotic and conservative in 4 years.

  • sayanything-2407

    I read that KSM already plead guilty for the military, NOW that he will be getting a civilian trial he is CHANGING his plea from guilty to not guilty. Why do you think that?

  • sayanything-5633

    Do you think this is just a show trial?

    Rob, This is precisely a show trial. Thi trial has nothing to do about KSM and his guilt or innocence. The sole purpose is to put America on trial and to further erode our ability to defend ourselves against all threats, both foreign and domestic. Just another phase of the great Obama apology strategy.

  • djer

    Is that all you got Kevin? Really, tell me you have more depth than you little quips. Really, you gotta have more than that.

  • sayanything-25496

    That is for sure. I will be voting him out and doing what I can to see that he is voted out. He is an arrogant Obama ass kisser and has completely forgotten or never has cared about who he is supposed to be representing. ND is a red state, he thinks somehow that ND has become liberal like MN. If we can get out the vote in 2012 and 2010, we can remind some of these guys who they work for. Pomeroy can go too, Dorgan I’m not so sure about, but he could go too just so they find out that these political “jobs for life” aren’t always a shoe in for a life time on the dole.

  • lock’em’up

    Why are all the politicians so mean to the cons? Leave the cons alone. leave them alone! Their just trying to ruin America, leave ‘em alone. Poor right-winger victims.

    Everyone likes an underdog, but only if they can win. You Cons need a better strategy than “fail America” and “poor us.”

  • djer

    And Conrad is spot on in his response. The reporter asked an idiotic question and Conrad gave a reasoned response to this idiot.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    I think that we should save this video for 2012 when Kent Countrywide will be up for reelection and the terrorists very well may have beat the rap.

  • djer

    So now it’s about whether they are citizens here and not where they were captured? Really, Whistler? We have tried non-citizens in our courts before. Do you want to try again?

  • letmeeatmywaffle

    what are you afraid of ? YOU… they were not captured here simpleton… it was a reasonable question to anyone but a national-socialist a**hole

  • sayanything-203

    So now it’s about whether they are citizens here and not where they were captured?

    No, SFB, its about the law. Each case is different, but it is you who is stupidly trying to lump them all together to score points. You’re not up to it. Stop embarrassing yourself!

  • Brent

    Rob,

    You pretty much have to disregard anything Conrad says. I’ve always wanted to tell Conrad that “he can’t be serious” when he pulls out his sophomoric charts.

  • djer

    Let’s see, John Walker Lindh was arrested on the battlefield as an enemy combatant and tried in US Courts. Hmm….just sayin…..

  • sayanything-203

    Rob’s explanation of the difference here perfectly reasonable. The pity is that partisan hacks like “djer” and Kent Conrad aren’t smart enough to follow the logic.

  • sayanything-9974

    He’s got plenty of time before he has to start campaigning again. He is counting on the public having a short memory and bringing home enough pork to buy forgiveness. Ahh yes – politics as usual.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    I don’t think we tried foreign combatants in civilian court before. I
    expect traitors have been subjected to military courts before, but I don’t
    have a problem with the Bush admin deciding to try him here.

  • sayanything-7610

    Careful, don’t let facts get in the way when some libtard is trying to win an arguement….

  • sayanything-1317

    He wasn’t tried. He pled to charges.

    That’s not a successful trial. Fail.

  • CaptainFreeJack

    “Senator Conrad thinking this is all no big deal illustrates that he’s either got an utter lack of respect for our rule of law or is utterly naive as to how this law actually works.”

    I go with option 2

  • CaptainFreeJack

    Oops, hit send too quick.

    But I think Conrads point is not leave the country if you don’t like KSM being tried here. 2 seperate points being made:
    1) He feels that the terrorists can be tried in America. Period
    2) He believes in America and it’s legal systme: if you don’t, get out. Period

    I disagree with point 1, but agree with point 2. And to prevent the trolls, no I am not a Conrad apologist.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Are you hoping that if you say “it was an idiotic question” enough it’ll suddenly become true?

    Truth is, our soldiers don’t get warrants before searching homes in a battle zone. They don’t mirandize the enemies they capture. But civilian courts require these things to get convictions.

    Which is why these terrorsits should have been tried in military tribunals as Bush wanted, not in civilian courts.

    And as for the terrorists who have been tried in our courts before, they were domestic terrorists arrested domestically by domestic law enforcement.

  • sayanything-1317

    I’d be a lot less cavalier if I was you, given how you were just proved wrong.

    But hell, why let facts get in the way of a good story?

  • sayanything-2361

    Sad. I’m afraid I agree.

  • sayanything-7610

    Ah yes, the old, “we won, you lost” gambit. I agree, he wouldn’t be so brave if it were he up for re-election. What a tool!

  • MarkSD

    You guys in ND really need to get rid of this guy!!!!

  • sayanything-101

    Is that why Gaylord spent all those years in Libya?

  • willieguy

    It doesn’t say much for the people of North Dakota to have elected such an ignorant, egotistical, megalomaniac. “My way or the highway.” People who think like that should never be put in a position of power.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Idiotic question?

    Concerns about search warrants? Search and seizure? Hell, Miranda?

    These are idiotic questions?

    Do you think this is just a show trial?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Conrad cares more about perception than reality. As long as he can create the perception that he’s a “budget hawk” or whatever the reality of his positions don’t matter.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    The Justice Department had to offer Lindh a plea bargain to keep the matter out of court.

    So, uh, nice try.

    Lindh shouldn’t have been tried in civilian courts either, as far as I’m concerned.

  • wademiller

    What’s next, after the case is thrown out due to miranda violations, illegal search and seizure and statements given under duress (any of the three can be used and probably why Wrong Emmanuel and Dear Leader Obama chose the civilian route)?

    Get them on the governement teat (welfare and obamacare), put ‘em up in an apartment and send him to college on our dime?

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