Why should we exclude ourselves from programs which we fund through our tax dollars? Because we oppose them? Asinine as usual, Dino.

Dino thinks if he says it often enough it is true. He wants so badly for it to be true. He thinks it provides cover for the beyond huge deficit this pres and congress is adding.

I look in the mirror and say good work, damn good work!

Three trillion= Six trillion in government speak. We don’t have it and don’t have a way to get it!

From Fox News, 11/25/03:

The passage of the bill designed to have the government co-pay seniors’ prescription drug costs makes for the most extensive overhaul of Medicare since the health-care program was created in 1965.

“This is a tremendous milestone. It is great news for seniors of our nation,” said Sen. Christopher “Kit” Bond, R-Mo.

“Prescription drugs in the past have been denied to our seniors, but will be there as a result of this legislation,” Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said shortly after the vote.

Ok, that’s 2 conservatives for the bill.

“I am not proud of this bill,” said Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D.

“The test of every great civilization is how it cares for its elderly,” said Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., one of the staunchest foes of the measure. “I am absolutely convinced that at the end of the day we will preserve the Medicare system, which is threatened, threatened seriously by this proposal, and we will get the day when we have a real prescription drug program, which our seniors deserve and which this nation owes to those individuals.”

There’s 2 liberals against.

Senate approval of the bill gives Bush and the congressional Republican majorities a significant legislative and political triumph on an issue that Democrats have long exploited in political campaigns.

And there’s the rest of the cons for it.

And why did conservatives support it? They wanted to break Medicare. You know, the Medicare they say they now want to protect.

Democrats charge the plan is a sellout to drug companies — and pointed out the bill’s prime supporters have received $14 million from the health care industry, reports CBS News Correspondent John Roberts.

Even before he signed the legislation, Democrats stepped up their criticism.

House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi of California, Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., and other opponents scheduled a rally with seniors to underscore their claim the measure threatens Medicare’s future.

“Many people will wake up and discover that the Medicare bill is a cruel hoax,” Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., told reporters Sunday. “It does not provide the kind of benefits that they had hoped for, and it will lead to the undermining of Medicare traditionally.”

Do you people even know how to think much less research history?

So then you have no way to refute the fact that conservatives rammed the unfunded Medicare drug plan down your throat? Didn’t think so.

When it comes to thinking and supporting your misguided beliefs, you choke. All you people have is whining, bitching and complaining. However, that never stops you from taking as much as you can from the system you try to destroy.

Not sure how you can look at yourselves in a mirror.

Where were you slugs when this was going on?

Medicare Drug Benefit May Cost $1.2 Trillion

Estimate Dwarfs Bush’s Original Price Tag

The White House released budget figures yesterday indicating that the new Medicare prescription drug benefit will cost more than $1.2 trillion in the coming decade, a much higher price tag than President Bush suggested when he narrowly won passage of the law in late 2003.

Then of course there’s the cost of the war in Iraq that has exceeded estimates by many times.

Selective fiscal restraint you exhibit. Never saw you bitching about the additional $5 TRILLION the republicans added to the debt from 2001 to 2007.

You ignore all the help you received from the collective along the way.

And you wouldn’t have contributed a penny to the greater good if you weren’t forced to.

Why do you people get so defensive when someone points out the inherent selfishness of your ideology?

We’ve had to spend billions of taxpayer money to clean up the mess left by mining. Another triumph of the free market capitalism that you worship.

Hope you can make it through the due diligence of proving that your land wasn’t contaminated by the mining operation. Otherwise it might as well be a nuclear waste facility when you go to sell it.

And good luck collecting damages from the mining industry. They’re more than happy to stick you with that bill.

I don’t know where you get that all conservatives do is take crap, I have paid into social security and medicare for 39 years so far, as well as income and sales taxes up the wazoo for just as long, yet I have never ever taken a unemployment check “never needed one”, donated to several charities, yet still manage to own two homes in ND and a condo in Wyoming, so there must have been a few dollars go to property taxes too. And I am a taker? Screw you leftist fool, I work hard and take risks and the reward are mine! Not you redistributionist bastards! The only ones trying to destroy the system that allows people like me to prosper are takers like you.

You circus freak, most of us were dead set against that Medicare prescription boondoggle!

Yes, we need coal but the mining industry is notorious for contaminating land and water and skating on their responsibilities for cleanup.

Do you live that way? Perhaps.

The chances of your land being adversely affected are high. Then I’ll bet you see the light and demand those responsible clean it up.

Good luck with that.

Jvette, tell me which part isn’t true and I’ll destroy your argument in seconds.