Senate Passes Iraq Appropriations Bill With Pullout Date

Ugh.
Only two Republicans, Chuck Hagel and Gordon Smith, voted in favor of it. Neither a surprise. Oddly, neither McCain nor Lindsey Graham voted. It wouldn’t have mattered if they did, but still. The most important issue of the day, and they’re not in attendance.
Pretty frustrating.
Some reactions. First up, Joe Lieberman talking (before the vote) about Harry Reid’s (and the rest of the Democrats’ ) assertion that peace will come in Iraq after an American withdrawal:

My colleague from Nevada, in other words, is suggesting that the insurgency is being provoked by the very presence of American troops. By diminishing that presence, then, he believes the insurgency will diminish.
But I ask my colleagues—where is the evidence to support this theory? Since 2003, and before General Petraeus took command, U.S. forces were ordered on several occasions to pull back from Iraqi cities and regions, including Mosul and Fallujah and Tel’Afar and Baghdad. And what happened in these places? Did they stabilize when American troops left? Did the insurgency go away?
On the contrary—in each of these places where U.S. forces pulled back, Al Qaeda rushed in. Rather than becoming islands of peace, they became safe havens for terrorists, islands of fear and violence.
So I ask advocates of withdrawal: on what evidence, on what data, have you concluded that pulling U.S. troops out will weaken the insurgency, when every single experience we have had since 2003 suggests that this legislation will strengthen it?

Next up, some common sense advice on how the decision to withdraw should be made from Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari:

Mr Zebari said the bill was “part of the politicking, basically, in Washington, and this has been damaging in fact to the security, political development, not only in Iraq, but in the entire region”.
He said a decision to withdraw US troops “should depend on conditions on the ground”.
“The moment that Iraqi forces, security, military, are self-reliant, capable of standing on their own, defending their own country, providing security, then definitely there would be a way for the troops to leave.”

“Let’s listen to the commanders on the ground” is something the Democrats pay lip service too, but they’re usually not interested in doing so as evidenced by Nancy Pelosi missing a meeting with General Petraeus and Harry Reid talking about how he’s not going to listen to Petraeus if he says anything positive about Iraq. These people don’t see Iraq as a problem to be solved so much as a means for political victory.
Yet look at how simply the Foreign Minister states our objective in Iraq. As soon as Iraqi forces are ready to take over we can leave. We’re not that far away from completing our objective, yet the Dems are willing to let everything we’ve worked for in Iraq come crumbling down just because they want to embarrass their political enemies.
Finally, here’s the official reaction from the Iraqi government:

“We see some negative signs in the decision because it sends wrong signals to some sides that might think of alternatives to the political process,” Ali al-Dabbagh told The Associated Press…
“Coalition forces gave lots of sacrifices and they should continue their mission, which is building Iraqi security forces to take over,” al-Dabbagh said. “We see (it) as a loss of four years of sacrifices.”

Wondering which “side” is considering which “alternatives to the political process” after this vote? Like maybe the terrorists thinking they can win if they just hang on until this withdrawal date the Democrats are talking about?
What the Iraqi government is saying, very nicely, is that the Democrats are trying to give the terrorists a way to win. Which is exactly right. That may not be the Democrat intent (their only real objective in all of this is to win in 2008), but it’ll be the outcome if they get their way.

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  • http://Array Bat One

    WOOF,

    Got a reputable citation for your Pelosi/Petraeus assertion?

    As for this,

    Americans have had enough progress.

    We can all hope, and pray, that the “progress” that Americans are truly tired of is the Soros funded, radical Left, DU drivel that passes for wisdom within the ranks of the Democrat Party and the aptly named “Drive by Media.”

  • http://www.freerepublicans.com/ FreeRepublicans.com

    Here’s the video to Lieberman’s speech:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXyoyKGNZJg

  • Bat One

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/04/the_trouble_with_harry.html
    Over at the American Thinker (back up again!), Rick Moran has a less flippant take on the congressional Democrats, saying this about Harry “Hoof in Mouth” Reid and his House sidekick who’s too busy with personal errands to attend General Petraeus’ briefing on Iraq:

    If I were George Bush right about now, I’d wrap my arms around Harry Reid and give him a great big kiss on the cheek. And I might even consider sending Speaker Pelosi a dozen roses, thanking her for playing her part to perfection in this Democratic Party defeatist extravaganza.

    The Democrats are handing the President the one thing he desperately needed in order to maintain the surge, veto the Iraq supplemental with its timetables and withdrawal stipulations, and unite the Republicans as they haven’t been since the election last November: a political club with which to beat his opponents and re-energize support for the war among his base…

    But even the most caustic observer – and I include myself in that company – would have to agree that there are definite signs that we are not “losing” the war and may, in fact, be nearer to a modest success than anyone realizes…

    When the news organ of the enemy – al-Jazeera – makes your defeatist words headline material, one wonders what else might define the crime of “giving aid and comfort to the enemy?”

    But Reid and the Democrats don’t seem to care at this point. Since they have never seen the Iraq War as anything except a political weapon to be used against the President and the Republicans…

    Moran is exactly right. And the Democrats, whose only calculation is pandering to their radical Left base, simply do not see beyond the next poll, caucus, or primary.

  • Neiman

    Woof: We’ll all admit Pelosi is rank!

    I heard she spoke to the General by telephone, not in person. The problem with Pelosi is she believes her rank is Prime Minister and Bush is subservient to her.

  • http://www.freerepublicans.com/ FreeRepublicans.com

    Lieberman is sounding more Churchillian each day.

    Bush should call for Iraq Victory Group and appoint Lieberman as Chair.

  • Bat One

    WOOF,

    Take it from me, you are not nearly as adept at changing the subject at inconvenient moments as you might like to think you are. Something with a a bit more humility… and honesty… would do just fine.

  • Bat One

    Oh, so they didn’t actually meet privately, as you said, eh, WOOF?

    As for that CNN “report” you quote, it’s sure iteresting how CNN obediently spins this, first by stating that it was Petraeus who couldn’t meet with Pelosi… an obvious distortion… and then insisting that this all turned out so much better anyway. Crap. Her highness only arranged the phone call (who says it was all fo 30 minutes, or that she even knew what sort of questions to ask anyway?) because she stupidly had to take so much heat for blowing off the regularly scheduled meeting in the first place. She IS supposed to be the leader of the House of Representatives, isn’t she? Or is she simply too busy to attend to her job?

    So just what were those “personal errands” that tied her up that she couldn’t be bothered to meet with the General charged with the most crucial US undertaking and policy dispute? Where was your “leader” WOOF???

  • WOOFX

    didn’t actually meet privately,

    Bat you alluding to NSA phone intercepts?

    Where was your “leader

    Not with McCain Republican ranking member of the Senate Armed Services committee. He was in New Hampshire.

  • WOOFX

    Petraeus was unable to meet in person, so the two talked by phone for about 30 minutes on Tuesday. Elshami insisted it was not meant as a slight, and that it turned out to be even more beneficial for Pelosi to have the chance to hear from Petraeus and ask questions independently.

    CNN

  • WOOFX

    When do you suppose that dream
    will be realized.
    Were surging cause Iraqis won’t.

    . As soon as Iraqi forces are ready to take over we can leave.

    As Buddy Holly sang

    That’ll be the day, Woo Hoo

  • WOOFX

    Pelosi met with General Pet privately.
    Her rank has it’s privileges.

    At the American Thinker anything reported about Iraq is a sign of progress.
    Americans have had enough progress.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Pelosi missed the meeting with Petraeus, so covered her ass with a afterthought phone call.

    Not very convincing, woofie. If she cares about Iraq so much, why not attend the meeting rather than just taking a quick 30 minute phone call?

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