Selective Security Outrage

From Bat One at Pennywit:

A review of the liberal blogs today, compliments of PW’s new “roundup” sidebars on the right, shows that the leftist natives are positively frothing at the mouth over Karl Rove, demanding that the President fire him immediately for revealing classified information.
If only they were half so incensed at UBL and the Islamic terrorists who kill innocent civilians with bombs. After all, that’s a national security issued too, isn’t it? Still, the idea that those on the left may not be genetically incapable of addressing questions of national security is a good thing. Those of us on/in the Right, have always maintained that national security is the very first responsibility of the federal government… especially when there are people out there who are sworn to kill us all, merely because we are “infidels.” So it should come as no surprise to our liberal brethren that we take matters of national security very seriously indeed.
So much so, that we were highly incensed when Senate Democratic leader Harry “Sunstroke” Reid was making public accusations against Judge Henry Saad, an appeals court nominee, based on classified FBI information to which Reid had no legal, authorized access.

So much so, also, that some of us are pretty incensed at the idea of a supposedly undercover CIA operative sending her own husband to Niger to dredge up fake facts in an attempt to smear a sitting President.
Read the whole thing.
Background on the Harry Reid/FBI files thing here.

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  • http://Array WOOF

    WAPO adds correction to article.

    _____Correction_____
    In some editions of the Post, a July 10 story on a new Senate report on intelligence failures said that former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV told his contacts at the CIA that Iraq had tried to buy 400 tons of uranium from the African nation of Niger in 1998. In fact, it was Iran that was interested in making that purchase, but no contract was signed, according to the report.

  • Agreeing

    Pennywit makes a good point. Islamic terrorists who kill innocent civilians with bombs should be treated the same as Karl Rove and fired from their White House jobs.

  • Carrick

    Mike, how about this for starters:

    pg 445

    In an interview with Committee staff, Mr. Wilson was asked how he knew some of the things he was stating publicly with such confidence. On at least two occasions he admitted that he had no direct knowledge to support some of his claims and that he was drawing on either unrelated past experiences or no information at all. For example, when asked how he “knew” that the Intelligence Community had rejected the possibility of a Niger-Iraq uranium deal, as he wrote in his book, he told Committee staff that his assertion may have involved “a little literary flair.” The former Ambassador, either by design or though ignorance, gave the American people and, for that matter, the world a version of events that was inaccurate, unsubstantiated, and misleading.

    Emphasis mine.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    The sounds you hear from the Left is laughter.

    The right is moaning.

    Egh..keep dreaming. You always think the right is caving or about to capitulate to something WOOF. Most partisan political hacks do.

  • http://peatbog.net/ Sphagnum

    You’re hilarious, woof… You dismiss the Washington Post as too politically motivated to tell the truth, and to back up your claim you cite KOS?

  • MikeAdamson

    So much so, also, that some of us are pretty incensed at the idea of a supposedly undercover CIA operative sending her own husband to Niger to dredge up fake facts in an attempt to smear a sitting President.

    Was Wilson able to dredge up any fake facts while in Niger? I’d love to see them if he did.

    and thanks for the HTML thingys…very helpful. ;)

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Just tell me when the left gets upset about Sandy “Docs in His Socks” Berger stealing classified documents in an effort to help shore up Clinton’s legacy. Until then I don’t want to hear them piss and moan when they’re so very obviously partisan political hacks.

  • WOOF

    In early October 2002, George Tenet called Deputy National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley, asking Hadley to remove reference to the Niger uranium from a speech President Bush was to give in Cincinnati on Oct. 7. This was followed up by a memo asking Hadley to remove another, similar line. Another memo was sent to the White House expressing the CIA’s view that the Niger claims were false; this memo was given to both Hadley and National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice.

    http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/Niger_uranium

  • WOOF

    Watching the Presidents Press Secretary dodge the the feces he previously threw at the Press Corps,
    while imprisoned in a cage of his own making, is comedic.

  • WOOF

    The WaPo article is bunk. The CIA forced Bush to remove the yellowcake refrence from a speech to be given in Cincinnati in October before Bush used it in the State of the Union in January.
    Condolezza claims everybody forgot the CIA told them it was bogus. Tenet, the CIA Director took responsibility and stepped down.
    Tenet was soon given the Medal of Freedom.

  • 2Hotel9

    I am curious, if Karl”EVIL MASTERMIND”Rove is the leak, why has Ms Miller not walked. Or at the least screamed”He’s the one!”. It appears there is much more to this little tableau than has been slapped on the table. And I LOVE how all these supporters of the CIA have spontaneously appeared, strangly enough they are the exact same groups of people who have struggled to destroy the CIA since it’s very creation. Curiouser and curiouser!

  • MikeAdamson

    The report, all 500 plus pages, is here.

  • WOOF

    I liked when Scotty was asked if he had gotten his own lawyer.

    These are the guys who are sweating along with Turd Blossom:


    The prosecutor then demanded sworn testimony from a number of senior aides. According to the New York Times, the FBI interviewed Karl Rove and top vice presidential adviser Lewis “Scooter” Libby, and a grand jury heard testimony from press secretary Scott McClellan, Cheney aide Mary Matalin and others. Fitzgerald even conducted interviews with President Bush and Vice President Cheney…

    You have wild cards in Judi Miller, who would no doubt rather be in the Hamptons this summer, and the Special Prosecutors access to obstruction of justice , perjury charges and the Patriot Act.

  • Carrick

    WOOF quotes KOS as fact:

    In early October 2002, George Tenet called Deputy National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley, asking Hadley to remove reference to the Niger uranium from a speech President Bush was to give in Cincinnati on Oct. 7. [etc]

    Even supposing this memo, represented a consensus view of the CIA:

    1) We have other intelligence agencies [*] who provide input into the national intelligence estimate.
    2) The “16 words” were based on findings from the British Intelligence service.
    3) The “16 words” were given during Bush’s state of the union address.
    4) It is conceivable that the CIAs own determination may have changed between that October and January of the next year.
    5) It is also conceivable that gasp!!!!!!! the CIA was simply wrong and basing their conclusions on erroneous information… something that the factcheck.org article even hints at.

    Once again, this just demonstrates WOOF’s proclivity for cheery picking facts to backup preconceived notions.

    [*] Given the general incompetence of the CIA, a big “thank God!” is in order for that. Seriously.

  • Carrick

    For people who haven’t seen it yet, there is also a factcheck.org research paper, entitled Bush’s “16 Words” on Iraq & Uranium: He May Have Been Wrong But He Wasn’t Lying.

    As this research paper makes clear, the jury is still out as to whether Iraq was trying to acquire uranium. It is not a foregone conclusion that the “Iraq/Niger story is crap”. WOOF is simply wrong on this one.

    Here are some juicy tidbits from the factcheck.org story:

    A British intelligence review released July 14 calls Bush’s 16 words “well founded.”

    A separate report by the US Senate Intelligence Committee said July 7 that the US also had similar information from “a number of intelligence reports,” a fact that was classified at the time Bush spoke.

    Ironically, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, who later called Bush’s 16 words a “lie”, supplied information that the Central Intelligence Agency took as confirmation that Iraq may indeed have been seeking uranium from Niger.

    Both the US and British investigations make clear that some forged Italian documents, exposed as fakes soon after Bush spoke, were not the basis for the British intelligence Bush cited, or the CIA’s conclusion that Iraq was trying to get uranium.

    It strikes me that anybody who has looked in depth at the facts who is nonpartisan has come to similar conclusions.

    I’m just glad that I don’t have to base my world view on people like Joseph Wilson or Richard Clark. For me, they typify the worst that the liberal intelligenciia has to offer.

    (via this previous comment)

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    WOOF said, http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/Niger_uranium

    Do I have to remind people that the British government still stands by their assertion. That didn’t change, right?

    I stand corrected WOOF. The right is moaning and groaning. At people like you.

  • Carrick

    MikeAdamson:

    Thanks Carrick although I note that your quotation is taken from a section entitled “Additional Views” which represents just 3 members of the Committee.

    Absolutely correct. However, it is hard to see how one could, in a non-partisan manner, read the statement of facts (the non-bold part in the quoted material) and not arrive at the conclusions (bold-faced text). Do you dispute their conclusions?

    By the way, this is why I like to find other “readers of facts” like the WaPo (middle left) and WSJ (middle right), or non-partisan sources like factcheck.org. I refer to this as “calibrating” my own view point…

  • WOOF

    Liqwidshoe

    The sounds you hear from the Left is laughter.

    The right is moaning.

  • Carrick

    MikeAdamson:

    I just got around to reading Wilson’s Times article. I’ve seen this article described as a “pack of lies” but I have to confess that I didn’t see anything troubling from a veracity standpoint. Could someone help me out?

    I think the editorial isn’t that far from the truth. It is carefully crafted in diplomatic “double speak” after all. It is the book ironically tiled “The Politics of Truth” and his chat room appearance that supposedly went over the top. I’d start with the factcheck.org article if you want to find what people are really objecting to. I’d start with the assumption that if moderates are objecting, there is probably some fire mixed in there with the smoke…

    You might note that also WIlson never addressing the question in his editorial of whether Iraq had attempted to acquire uranium from the Niger. He basically debunked the notion that Iraq actually ever acquired uranium, a point which was never in contention. In logical discourse, this is called a “straw man”, and is generally considered a dishonest form of discourse (aka “diplomat speak”).

  • Carrick

    WOOF:

    they went with the Niger story and parsed it by saying it was “British” intelligence,

    Showing your ignorance? See the Butler report for a rebuttal.

  • MikeAdamson

    I just got around to reading Wilson’s Times article. I’ve seen this article described as a “pack of lies” but I have to confess that I didn’t see anything troubling from a veracity standpoint. Could someone help me out?

  • Carrick

    WOOF: Fact: Tenet said the 16 words should not have been in the SOTUnion speech.

    Fact: Tenet was an idiot, and eventually was forced out due to his incompetence.
    Fact: Other intelligence agents did not agree with his assessment.

    Why are you suddenly putting all of your trust in him? It couldn’t have anything to do with the fact that his comments agree with your political agenda, could it?

    In the real world, that’s what we call “cherry picking”. If his statements were consistent with the rest of the intelligence community rather than being obviously politically motivated, I would put a lot more stock in what that particular administrator had to sy.

  • MikeAdamson

    Rob…I’m not sure why but I’ve downloaded the Committee’s report…I really do have a life…honest. I’ve been scanning around and haven’t been able to find anything that relates to the final paragraph you quote from the Post.

    The panel found that Wilson’s report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts. And contrary to Wilson’s assertions and even the government’s previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush’s January 2003 State of the Union address.

    I’ll poke around some more if I find I still care in the morning but I’m wondering how accurate the Post’s account is.

  • WOOF

    The Committee regrets the decision by the Leader of the Opposition to withdraw the support of the Conservative Party from the Review

    A one sided report.

    Carrick you want to believe that somewhere there is evidence or that somebody said something to somebody (that has not been corrorborated or revealed),of WMD’s to justify war.
    Every Bush WMD tale made public has been shown to be false. There ain’t no drones, no long range missles,mobile biowarfare labs, aluminium centrifuge tubes. No legitimate reason for war and occupation has been presented. You C, can accept this stuff as honest mistakes, not me.

  • Carrick

    2H9: I gotta hand it to you. You definitely have a way with words!

    WOOF: A one sided report.

    To the everlasting shame and disgrace of the Conservative Party, in that they could not set aside partisan politics long enough to endorse the obvious truth. You have a problem with the conclusions? Show me facts, not petty political bickering laid out as if it were a factual basis for a disagreement. The blunt truth (quietly endorsed even by Joseph Wilson) is that the evidence supports the fact that Iraq (and Iran) attempted unsuccessfully to acquire uranium from the Niger.

    WOOF: You C, can accept this stuff as honest mistakes, not me.

    Funny you would use the word “honest” in the midst of a dishonest argument. You want to lay the rest of the world intelligence failures on GWB, go the f**k ahead but don’t expect any respect for your petty political acrobatics. I work around people in the military, and they were all sold on the WMD reports (ok, I wasn’t sold on the WMD and they pitied my ignorance). GW Bush had nothing the f**k to do with it… most of the real intel errors were rooted in assessments made in the ’90s, and a few of the mistakes were made under GHWB.

    What I am really tired of is petty bullshit from hacks on the left who can’t pull their heads out of their asses long enough to go beyond spoon-level arguments about “how it will play with the stupid and ignorant public.” You guys on the left way underestimate the public and you way overestimate yourselves and just how slick you really are with your stacking of angels on the heads of pins style of arguments. Maybe this is why you haven’t won a plurality in a presidential election since 1976, and may even account for why your power is dissipated more in each successive election?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    WOOF said, They needed a reason for war.

    WOOF, if you couldn’t find about a million and one reasons to go to war to take out Saddam and his government, then you are beyond talking to.

  • WOOF

    Cherry picking was what the Bush Administration did. They needed a reason for war. They went with the Niger story and parsed it by saying it was “British” intelligence,( though it was in American hands from the get go) and backed away from it when it was shown to be farcical.

    Where are the “other intelligence agencies” findings? Nothing but hole cloth to support invasion.

  • http://www.pennywit.com/ pennywit

    Note: That piece was actually written by semi-regular Pennywit.com blogger Bat One.

    –|PW|–

  • 2Hotel9

    woof, no amount of evidence will ever be enough for your kind. You are blinded by hatred. Hatred for GW Bush. Hatred for America. Hatred for yourself. Sad,pathetic loser. YOUR United Nations continues to say that WMDs were in Iraq, they continue to say they are now missing. So what do you say to them, when THEY put the lie to your shit. Go and read the words from YOUR United Nations, it is all publicly available. Want copies of the Duelfer report, got the original on disc. Get a clue or slit your wrists, people are tired of your whiny crap.

  • MikeAdamson

    Thanks Carrick although I note that your quotation is taken from a section entitled “Additional Views” which represents just 3 members of the Committee.

  • http://peatbog.net/ Sphagnum

    uh….. riiiight

    What WAS comedic was watching the media ask the SAME QUESTION 50 different times, knowing that Scott is under orders not to talk about the subject. They do it intentionally so they can claim Scott was “dodging” them all… what a hoot

  • WOOF

    Fact: there was no yellowcake hidden in some warehouse.

    Fact: The CIA did have Bush take the Niger refrence from his Cincinnati speech.

    Fact: Rice said they forgot that the CIA told them the story was bogus.

    Fact: Tenet said the 16 words should not have been in the SOTUnion speech.

    The speech was meant to present Saddam Bin Laden as an immediate threat to the US.
    Along with aluminium tubes , mobile biowarfare trailers, pilotless drones etc all bogus.

    Where was the threat to the US necessitating war?

    Fact: Yellowcake mines exist in (guess where)

    …………….Iraq.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport
  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    The WaPo article is bunk.

    Says Woof, who has mislead us before with cherry-picked quotes and blatant falsifications, without any attempt to back up his words.

    Seriously, the Washington Post is not exactly a bastion of right-wing sentiment. If you’ve got something that contradicts it I’d like to see it.

    And Mike, where’d you download the report at?

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