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Friday, January 26, 2007

Sec. Gates: Anti-Surge Resolution Emboldens The Enemy

And it does, too, every bit as much as calling for a full-scale retreat.

What it tells our enemy is that we’re not serious about winning the war.  That we’re willing to have our troops in harms way to fight the war but not send them the reinforcements they need to succeed.  That we’re only willing to commit a finite amount of resources to this war before we’ll give up and come home.

What it tells them is that they’ve got a chance to win.

The message our political leaders should be sending our enemies in the middle east is that we’re not afraid to do what it takes to win.  That we’ll send more troops in now to win, and we’ll send even more in later if necessary.  Such a message would dishearten our enemies and push them toward abandoning their cause.  But, unfortunately, that’s not the message they’re getting.

The message they’re getting is that we are so divided here at home that if they just keep pushing, just keep setting off a couple of bombs a day for the reporters to cover, the defeatists here will win out and our troops will come home leaving Iraq to their clutches.

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I was hoping Madam Speaker Pelosi while in Iraq will tell the Iraqi Prime Minister, ‘we are going to force the President to cut-and-run out of Iraq and leave you damn Muslims alone to kill each other, while we kiss butt with that Nazi bastard in Iran. Have a good day!’

By the way doesn’t a Madam run a whore house?

Everything the Democrats have been doing for years is embolding the enemy, what the hell is new about that? They are the defeatist, anti-American Party and are only doing what comes naturally to them!


No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman on January 26, 2007 at 05:55 pm
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when you invade a country to rip someone off then they dont have a choice but to fight back. you go on about chavez about shutting down the media but you actually kill the jounalists, blow up mosques, hospitals and schools. so what are the plans for winning, I dont think there is one. just blundering around trying to get your national pride back after all the other losses. how come the dud never attacked saudi arabi, after all thats where the 11/sep bombers came from (although no black boxes were found so nobody knows for sure)? I thought the terrorist problem was crap. then I realised that we do have one all the terrorist are from countries that you support and some individuals that your government has ties with. this is another war you will eventually LOSE!!!!! one big problem for the world is that you are the only country that has used nuclear weapons(against civilians not military targets) so you are not the most reliable country. who knows when the bully goes down he tries to take everyone with him.

gavin brown on January 26, 2007 at 06:01 pm

Gavin Brown: I want you to know that you are doing very well for someone absent a working brain.

However, as mean as it may sound you can take your anti-American crap and shove up your rectum/mouth as they are the same bodily orifice for you. I would normally respond rationally to your ignorant remarks and try and guide you upon the path to rational thinking, but quite frankly you are such a worthless piece of bovine excrement that you are not worth the time and effort.

Please move to Venezuala ASAP!


No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman on January 26, 2007 at 06:12 pm
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free speech is great isnt it? if you support the occupation of iraq so badly why dont you go and replace someone on the front line? maybe then you will be able to contribute to your economy with a modified golf cart (if its not made in china). or you could support your troops by getting them out. the resistance averages 3.5 kills a day. so by being brainwashed into thinking it is a good idea makes you the citizens of the USA responsible for their deaths.

gavin brown on January 26, 2007 at 07:37 pm

Gavin: Yours are the ravings of a lunatic mind!

I have fought for my country, my grandson and nephew are both Marines one in Iraq and the other returning soon.

You on the other hand have all you can do to fight for your sanity!


No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman on January 26, 2007 at 07:45 pm
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poor bastards couldnt they get a job? maybe it was a trade off for a prison sentence? what can I say you really have been brainwashed.

gavin brown on January 26, 2007 at 09:16 pm

gavin brown spews his nonsense, when you invade a country to rip someone off then they dont have a choice but to fight back.

You’re right in a sense. We “ripped off”, more like ripped out, the Baathists dictatorial power. And now they do have a choice, contrary to your ridiculous claims. They could join the political process or they could fight against it. Some of them have chosen to fight against it.

you go on about chavez about shutting down the media but you actually kill the jounalists

Really? Name them. Back up your claim.

...blow up mosques, hospitals and schools.

Not exactly. The United States takes unnecessary losses because we’re so damn careful about these locations. We don’t always fire back even when the shooting is coming from such places. This is to please the unpleaseable people such as yourself.

so what are the plans for winning, I dont think there is one.

We took out the army in three weeks. We won there. We helped to set up a government and sat back and watched as they have had elections. Again, we have won there. Now we’re in a long and messy cleanup phase.

Maybe if you paid attention and took off the blame-America-for-everything blinders, you’d notice these things.

just blundering around trying to get your national pride back after all the other losses.

You’re vague. What losses?

how come the dud never attacked saudi arabi, after all thats where the 11/sep bombers came from

We started with the countries controlled by terrorist groups or people first. This is a war against terrorism and it is not limited to those who committed the attacks of 9/11.

although no black boxes were found so nobody knows for sure

You make up so much. Black boxes were found in every location.

I thought the terrorist problem was crap.

This would be in keeping with your self created fantasy world.

this is another war you will eventually LOSE!!!!!

That’s possible. If we do “LOSE!!!!!” (take your meds dude), it will be because we quit. We’ll win every battle.

one big problem for the world is that you are the only country that has used nuclear weapons(against civilians not military targets) so you are not the most reliable country.

Actually they were military targets because those two cities produced a lot of Japan’s military might. It looks like you’re not the most reliable commentator.

who knows when the bully goes down he tries to take everyone with him.

You fighting? You have to be speaking of yourself. You’re the bully here egging on the other bullies of the world.

if you support the occupation of iraq so badly why dont you go and replace someone on the front line?

Right back at you. If you support the terrorist cause so badly, why don’t you go and replace someone on the front line?

See where that line of logic leads us? Think, gavin, think.

maybe then you will be able to contribute to your economy with a modified golf cart (if its not made in china). or you could support your troops by getting them out. the resistance averages 3.5 kills a day. so by being brainwashed into thinking it is a good idea makes you the citizens of the USA responsible for their deaths.

Do we get credit for all of the lives saved by taking out the Islamic terrorists?

poor bastards couldnt they get a job? maybe it was a trade off for a prison sentence?

Contrary to whatever two-bit country you’re from, our military only takes the best. Sorry to break your delusions.

what can I say you really have been brainwashed.

That’s funny coming from someone who makes up his own reality.

Don’t kid yourself gavin, you’re the brainwashed one here.

likwidshoe on January 26, 2007 at 11:33 pm
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sorry lik I forgot that the truth hurts.

gavin brown on January 27, 2007 at 06:03 am

For each Coalition casualty 46 terrorists die, and that is by Al Queda’s numbers. Learn to do some basic math, shit for brains. As for how many civilian casualties the terrorists are inflicting, that is exactly what is turning the population against them. People who survived Saddam and the Ba’athist Party are growing tired of the children and women being killed by thugs supported by you. How much is CAIR and DemPAC paying you to troll around the blogsphere? You really think you can toddle from blog to blog and no one knows who you are and who you represent? Truth does hurt, eh?

Lik, how many different usenames is “gavin brown” posting under currently? Some smart young programer could make a pile of money developing software that blocks people from using multiple identities on the same website. I’ll suggest that Daniel, she works with disabled troops doing occupational rehab. Lots and lots of troops going into IT industry.


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on January 27, 2007 at 06:41 am
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The relevant question isn’t what message will be sent, but whether redeployment is the right thing to do.  I guess I’m old-fashioned in that respect.

jpe on January 27, 2007 at 09:14 am
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just like the US to stifle free speech. I dont have to post under different names. the funny thing is that no one can come back with anything interesting except abuse. instead of trying to get rid of me why dont you think about what I am saying.
the problem is that you dont see the coffins coming back.
have you seen the polls that say Iraqs think they were better off under soddom hussein than US occupation. I work with people whose family live in Iraq. an iraq girl had her whole family killed and as her friend said “these people are delusional to think that she wont grow up with hatred” people in Iraq think that the terrorists are US soldiers. have a think about it clean the shit from your eyes and ears, look beyond Murdochs media for the truth.

gavin brown on January 27, 2007 at 04:01 pm

Gavi, how much are you being paid?


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on January 27, 2007 at 04:09 pm

Come on, you can tell us. We won’t ask for a cut. We are real human beings, not Democrat Party fuckbags, like you are used to dealing with.


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2Hotel9 on January 27, 2007 at 04:11 pm
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“these people are delusional to think that she wont grow up with hatred” people in Iraq think that the terrorists are US soldiers.

Did you ever stop to think where they would get such an idea?

War is hell Gavin.  Living in Iraq during wartime is hell.  The quicker we resolve to win this war the quicker the Iraqis will have some peace and security.

HG on January 27, 2007 at 04:21 pm

Living in most ME countries is hell(by our standards) even when there isn’t an official war going on.  They are always fighting and killing each other for some obscure reason.  We are giving Iraq a chance to grow out of that childish crap.


If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

robert108 on January 27, 2007 at 04:29 pm

hey, gav, try reading the several thousand year history of the middle-east.  The Bible - Old Testament is a good place to start.  These people (Israelites, Canonites, Philistines, Phaenocians, Assyrians, Chaldeans, Persians, etc. etc. etc. have been killing other for all that time.  The current middleeast populations are descendants of those historical peoples and have long memories.  Many trace their ancestry back to Abraham.


The Supreme Court is a bunch of black robed tyrants

docdave on January 27, 2007 at 06:23 pm

Friends: Plese don’t be fooled, Gavin really, honestly, to the core of his being believes this crap he spouts, as do an unfortunately large number of liberals in America and in Western Europe today; like the 10 thousand in D.C. today, protesting the Iraq war. There is no reasoning with them because they are incapable of reason, facts don’t matter, truth is irrelevant - what is important, all important to them is how they FEEL about something and those feelings trump reality, facts and truth every time.

I knew immediately by his lunatic ravings that it was useless to respond to him, it is vanity to think you can get through to Gavin - his mind is made up and America is the enemy of the world - the great Satan, Bush is the Devil, Cheney is the Prince of Darkness and conservatives are the enemy of the socialist utopia they have created in their drug induced dreams.

When they are faced with reality and sometimes die when they find out their friends the terrorists and most Muslims hate them, it shocks them to the core, because the truth runs wholly contrary to their twisted reason and bizarre logic.


No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman on January 27, 2007 at 06:50 pm

Neiman, gav may be misguided but I haven’t noticed that he has been particularly abusive like some that have commmented here.  Regardless, if it seems appropriate I will return a comment to anyone, their ideology be damned.  None of us know everything which is one reason we are here at this blog so we can share and learn from each other.


The Supreme Court is a bunch of black robed tyrants

docdave on January 27, 2007 at 07:06 pm

DocDave: Of course that is up to you, my advice was at no cost and thus free and easy to ignore. For me, I find it a waste of time to try and debate with or educate someone that rants and raves as, in my opinion, Gavin is guilty.

His is all sound and fury signifying nothing! But have fun and debate him!


No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman on January 27, 2007 at 07:12 pm

Right, Neiman, to each his own - my philosophy too.  Anyway as you get to know my commenting style, you’ll discover that I don’t debate but merely comment presenting information as accurately as possible with appropriate links.  I expect that you and I will not have real contenuous discussions although we may have misunderstands at time.  Peace…


The Supreme Court is a bunch of black robed tyrants

docdave on January 27, 2007 at 08:09 pm
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