Screw Abstinence
The Washington chapter of NARAL has a message for you:
The American Princess responds:
Yes, I understand that eventually “I’m waiting” beccomes “What the hell for?” if you aren’t in the minority of people who enter into marriage upon your high school graduation, and in reality, telling children to “just say no” without a little explanation, and a little “working knowledge,” in a world that innundates them with sex from the moment that they wake up in the morning is a pretty archaic way of viewing society. But this constant attempt to divorce sex from any kind of meaning is growing ever more crude.
After all, that’s what it is. Once you separate sex from love, or even feeling substituting the idea that sex is power, you’ve finally achieved equality with men. Never mind that its with the chauvanists.
Ah, well, what did abstinence ever do anyway? The only way to not have a baby is, of course, have an abortion.
My question is: If we aren’t teaching kids abstinence, what are we teaching them?
Update:
Of course, “Screw Abstinence” parties would be a great place for to pick up chicks.
Tap tap tap
You kids in the back off the car,
put on your pants , step out of the vehicle.
I want to talk to you about abstinace.
Your mother already told you?
Your father already told you?
” yeah but we get carried away”
Who is that other kid in the car?
“That’s my brother, he just likes to watch.”
Seth:
I don’t have or WANT a family structure exactly like your grandparents had, with a subservient wife pumping out babies for her god, the party, and her husband. Insisting that your model is the best and/or only model for healthy families is prudery at best, bigotry at worse.
Rob:
Firs of all, to “encourage kids to put off having sex until they’re old enough” is a one-size-fits-all approach, and sex is so much more complex than that (thank the goddess!)
Secondly, teaching them the truth about birth control and their own bodies is the smart thing to do regardless of your own attitude towards sex.
Finally, I believe abortion should be available on demand, without charge, in complete confidentiality, and without apology. I realize that I’m out of the mainstream on this one—but I remain hopeful that America may someday leave the 18th century and embrace my Highly Evolved World View ™.
Sex affects Women and Men in different ways. Women become emotionally tied to the man they have sex with, in general. Men do not become emotionally tied to the woman they have sex with. Sex
Holding off on having sex until marriage allows a woman to develop a strong, long lasting emotional tie to their husband. This emotional tie generates a strong family which is profoundly important to the development of children.
No, I didn’t say that… In fact, here’s what I said in my first comment
Emphasis added.
Not all Women are bound to emotions just as not all men are bound to logic. In general, it is true, that Women are more emotional and less logical than Men. But, no, there is NO WAY to qualify ALL women with the broad brush of emotional attachment to a sexual partner. I would contend that 90% + do become emotionally attached, however. Just as 90% + of men do not become emotionally attached to their partner during intercourse.
As for this:
It doesn’t, really. It implies MOST, but not ALL. I can say that the true nature of animals is to survive… This doesn’t discount the Lemming’s suicidal tendencies… Some Lemmings are an anomaly to the norm.
As for Don:
Perhaps no woman has ever become emotionally attached to him… including his mother.
Don, the long term effects of your ideology can been seen today in Africa. Rampant disease and ignorant children is what you are promoting. Try and think outside the box and imagine a world where promiscuity without consequence exist. Women would be at odds with their nature, which is to become emotionally attached to their partner and their children. In your world view, women would have to become as emotionless as men… This is just not possible without some serious after-effects. Women are emotional beings, while men are analytical beings. We work together because we compliment each other. Your view changes this dynamic… It would be like having two North poles on a magnet. It just won’t work.
But hey… we live in a country where we can make our own choices and see the results… Considering that the VAST majority of drug addicts, homeless, indigent, etc are from BROKEN families… I think your way sucks.
But you go on preaching that your way is better…
As for the free, confidential, abortion on demand… I would like to see your brain go through the same procedure. What a looser thing to preach… really.
It doesn’t, really. It implies MOST, but not ALL. I can say that the true nature of animals is to survive… This doesn’t discount the Lemming’s suicidal tendencies… Some Lemmings are an anomaly to the norm.
Not to be off topic, but the whole lemmings comminting suicide thing is fake. The whole myth was created by Disney. I’ve seen this from many sources.
From Snopes:
Except that it is a woman’s true nature to become emotionally entangled in a relationship. We can believe what we want, but there is no mistaking that empty feeling you get when you wake up to an empty bed that had someone in it last night–someone who won’t ever call again.
Regardless of what women might want to believe, there are fundamental differnences between the sexes. The object shouldn’t be to rid ourselves of them, but to celebrate them. But that’s not what the modern feminist ideology teaches. To say that the world would be served by making sex emotionless leads to a total lack of personal responsibility, and an incredible ignorance. While complete abstinence education might be too much of a shelter for kids, merely sending them into the world, not explaining to them that there are both emotional and physical results fror, and a context to sexual intercourse breeds a very similar ignorance–an ignorance that in turn breeds the relativistic mentality, which is far from enlightened. Its downright hedonistic.
And thanks for the link(s)Rob!
To discuss the “true nature of women” implies that the speaker is talking about all women.
Gentlemen:
Well, now I know why you have so much time for blogging—clearly you’re not going out on many dates!
After all the blathering y’all have done against what you call ‘collectivism,’ it turns out you embrace it wholeheartedly…but only for women.
Oh,
As much as I like the fantasy of “Free Love”, sex for any occasion with anyone who’s willing, just for the Sex… I realize that these hormonally charged fantasies would not be beneficial to society. We need to have more married couples raising children. Promoting promiscuity tends to lead to Children… If you don’t want ‘em, abort ‘em is your slogan though, so I guess that’s okay… For the girls that don’t want to part with their little bundles of cells, they tend to end up raising their children without the aid or support of the father, who is integral to the development of the child.
I do commend your honesty, though… even if I do find your view deplorable.
Interesting… Thanks Andrew! Who-da-thunk-it… Disney. Hmmm.
While this group is obviously having a little fun with the name of their get together, the point is that abstinence-only programs that do not provide information on protection are not only naive but damaging. Those who support abstinence-only programs cannot be surprised that oral and anal sex are now not considered to be sex by today’s teens.
Mrs. Yantiss had two children through another marriage prior to our marriage. She and I have not produced children, and likely will not. She educated me on the female emotional state. The Mrs. is not barefoot… Nor, in the five years we have been married, has she wanted for anything material… Nor have our kids.
I never used the qualifier “ALL”, nor would I.
I did ask you to explain this:
but you seem to have refused.
As a 32 year old virgin who started out waiting for marriage and is now at the “what the hell for?” stage, I can comment on the abstinence issue. The problem isn’t teaching abstinence until marriage, or at least maturity (if you can’t handle the consequences of an action, like a pregnancy, then you aren’t mature enough for the action), the problem is the de-emphasis of committment within our culture. In other words, we teach kids to stay abstinent until married, then tell them they’re too young to get married because they should go out and enjoy life. We tell them this until they’re 30 (I know this personally), not ever explaining to them what they are supposed to do in the meantime. If our culture embraced the fact that marriage is a good thing and endeavored to support young marriages by encouraging continued education and supporting access to good childcare in case the couple needs it (a lot of the time, kids happen even without marriage, so this is a valid issue) and stop acting like 20-somethings getting married is the worst thing in the world, then abstinence education wouldn’t be ridiculed so much because the average person wouldn’t have to wait that long.
Don Myers said, Dude, YOU’RE the guy who claims to know all about the “true nature of all women,”
Seth, did you say that you know about the “true nature of all women” or is Don just making stuff up again?
I’m sure Mrs. Barefoot-and-Pregnant appreciates your vast wisdom very much.
Hahaha. What a fool.
But thanks for cluing me in on the nature of Women. Your profound insight will help ALL of us!!! You’ve been great. Thanks for playing!
Dude, YOU’RE the guy who claims to know all about the “true nature of all women,” Mr. Barefoot-and-Pregnant. I’m sure Mrs. Barefoot-and-Pregnant appreciates your vast wisdom very much.
I think you are right, kms, that that places a huge role in this problem. I’m on the other side of the coin from you in that I got married at 20 and now at 22 I have two children. I don’t get it much anymore because of my two kids, but when I proposed to my wife at 19 I got a lot of flack for it. I was told I was throwing away the best part of my life. I was told I should wait and see if I’m still the same person years down the road…
I am happier than ever today and I couldn’t imagine my life not being married. I know its different for everyone, but my life would be a mess without my wife and children right now.
The idea that couples marrying young is a bad thing is really a shame in our society.
To discuss the “true nature of women” implies that the speaker is talking about all women.
No it doesn’t.
That’s simply not true, Seth—but since you’re still babbling about “a woman’s true nature,” I don’t expect you to be joining the 21th Century anytime soon.
Please, king Don, tell me what the true nature of a woman is? I beg!!
Since I’ve been Married (5 years next Friday), I tend not to date much.
But thanks for cluing me in on the nature of Women. Your profound insight will help ALL of us!!! You’ve been great. Thanks for playing!
How about teaching them that sex is natural, pleasurable, and good for you?
That there are choices other than sex-for-procreation-only and celibacy?
Here’s a nutty idea—do the moral instruction at home or church, and use health class to provide ACCURATE information about their bodies and their choices!
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I wonder if women becomming emotionally attached to their lovers is innate or a societal result. Not saying its one way or the other, its just something I wonder.
-Andrew (I’m signing this because I think I’ll still be logged on as “guest”)
Don Myers said, Finally, I believe abortion should be available on demand, without charge, in complete confidentiality, and without apology.
“Without charge”? Tell me: what in life, besides death, is “without charge”? “Without apology” = without consequence and without morals. At least you’re honest.
but I remain hopeful that America may someday leave the 18th century and embrace my Highly Evolved World View â„¢.
Please. You give yourself way too much credit Don.
That’s simply not true, Seth–but since you’re still babbling about “a woman’s true nature,” I don’t expect you to be joining the 21th Century anytime soon.
Says the one who denies a woman’s true nature.
Its not so much about the sex or the moralities surrouding it, Don, its about encouraging reckless behavior. “Screw Abstinence” tells our kids what? To hell with it? Just go have sex? We’re not even talking about which to stress more, safe sex vs. abstinence ed. here, we’re talking about taking abstinence and just throwing it out the window.
Regardless of your stance on abortion, wouldn’t a better approach be to encourage kids to put off having sex until they’re old enough to deal with the consequences of having it? Because the whole abortionist stance is to make abortions “safe, legal and rare,” right?
Well they won’t exactly be rare if we’re “screwing” abstinence.