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It may not be such a bad idea???  The only thing is that they probably won’t be visiting on abortion day. I hope they talk about how much abortions cost. AND how they won’t give abortions unless you have the money. Then they need to show how they send the women home only minutes after the procedure… I doubt they will do that though.

It troubles me that the YMCA, the Young Men’s Christian Association, is associated with this, more than it does that the schools allowed it.  Fortunately, these were government school students, and thus it’s unlikely they were able to read any of PP’s propaganda.

Sigh.

I say they should get a Priest to talk to the class about how a baby is a human at the moment of creation.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Ohhhhh my what a post with so many issues. I may have to comment many times. .. this is a difficult one for sure.
I am a jr high/sr high school teacher that teaches Human Sexuality. (for those in dire need of ending my life, at least let me finish)
The technique of allowing students to have access to knowledge of this type is far from new or unusual. Rarely is there a district that doesn’t allow it. Just as the district permits pro-life organizations, priests, pastors, etc. they all have a purpose in a persons life.  I think what everyone seems to forget is no student is subjected to any of it without the parents knowledge. No permission, No trip. Period. (actually speakers come to the school not vise versa).
I don’t know about other districts but the parents I deal with are required to complete the assignment along with their student that takes part in any controversial topic.  This is what education is. These students are not only learning the sexuality subject but they are learning how to make conscientious decisions with their parents assistance.  Too may people refuse to acknowledge that many students at this age are already forced to make adult decisions for themselves without any mature assistance. With a solid knowledge of decision techniques these students are better prepared for adulthood.
If you all notice at the bottom of the article it does mention that abortion is not discussed. That is true.

Rob, It’s not a social service. Social Services is a completely different issue and should never be part of education.
The issue of this field trip that bothers me the most is the reasoning behind social service education. How can society teach welfare as if it’s part of everyday life?
I think I’ve said enough to get you going ...for now.

When I had health class in High School the teacher had two guest speakers for the abortion ethics class.

One was the leader of the local pro-life movement and the other was a local liberal (Ben Ring) (He’s passed on or I’d tell you what I really think of his politics).

So we did get both sides.  In my opinion both speakers were incredibly bad spokespersons for their cause.

Anyway education not indoctrination is the key.  I suspect though, that in this case they aren’t getting the other side.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Anna, having visited the “teenwire” web site run by Planned Parenthood, I differ with your assessment.  Their approach is more or less to ignore the parents, not assist them.  Witness repeated demonstrations that abortuaries are NOT complying with the law and reporting cases where it is clear that a patient has been raped or molested.

Sorry, that’s not the teaching of sound decision-making, but the premature emancipation of children from those who are providing for them.

Robert Perry, I haven’t had the time to check that site so maybe you can answer a quick question. Is that an official PPFA site or just one that promotes PPFA?

Probably not the wisest decision for a school unless they want to court controversy, but PP does make extensive services available.  I know many, many people that have only used PP for their affordable gynecological services.

JPE, I don’t think it’s right for any school to essentially endorse an organization that seeks to exclude parents from their child’s lives when it comes to teen pregnancies by holding a field trip there.

And abortion mills aren’t social services, even if they do offer cheap gyno services as a hook to get people in the door for abortions.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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I’m sorry, jpe, but I just had to chuckle at the enormity of arrogance contained in a comment that said the field trip to the abortion mill was only bad because it might tick off the yokels.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

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I think you’re getting a little paranoid here.  I didn’t intend any yokelphobia, and I don’t think a reasonable reading would find it in my comment.

And abortion mills aren’t social services

PP offers lots of necessary services on the cheap.  You’re probably right, though, that the field trip was a de facto endorsement and, therefore, probably inappropriate.

Well, your original comment implied that the only reason the visit was inappropriate is because of the controversy it would stir.  Leading me to believe that you only think it’s inappropriate because it would stir up the dummies who don’t understand why murdering children is a good thing.

As for PP and it’s other services, Wal-Mart sells gas too.  At a loss.  Just to get people in the door.  But I wouldn’t say that Wal-Mart is in the gas business.

PP exists to make millions performing millions upon millions of abortions.  They’re an abortion mill, pure and simple.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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People aren’t stupid merely because they disagree with me.  They usually are, but it doesn’t have to be that way.  And abortion is an issue on which smart people of good faith disagree, and disagree vehemently. 

For issues like that, it’s best to leave ‘em to the discretion of the parents, or at least to provide the parents the ability to opt out.

Hence the inappropriateness.  I’d say the same about taking kids to, say, a church to view a baptism or a mosque to view....whatever it is they do at mosques.

There really aren’t any rational people here to debate the issue of abortion.

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Hi there Chief… It is hard to be rational when it comes to abortion. It is the most selfish thing anyone can do. AND the abortion clinics are all about the money and not the health of the mother.

For issues like that, it’s best to leave ‘em to the discretion of the parents, or at least to provide the parents the ability to opt out.

So what do you think of parental notification laws that essentially seek to remove the parent from the equation in the case of a teenage pregnancy?

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

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Thank you, Zsa Zsa.  You are one of the few rational people here.  The latest capture of PP is when they were caught lying (not telling The Truth) to an posing 15 year old girl.  What a bunch of liars.

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PP does not care how old as long as you have the cash! They are all about money. No after care. Just give them the money and get your abortion and get out! See ya next time!

Chief: Zsa Zsa is right, it is very hard to enagage in rational debate over this subject and for the reasons she stated quite well.

How many women go to Planned Parenthood Clinics for family planning help? How many go to the Planned Parenthood abortuaries to off the fetus in their womb because they were too lazy to use birth control, because they don’t want the incovenience that will cut down their play time, or because they can’t afford a child? My guess is in the very 99 percentile they go to get someone to kill the innocent child in their womb.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman.  You tell The Truth.  Something not many people are able to engage in.

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Good lord.  Is it really not possible for people to acknowledge that Planned Parenthood offers more than just abortions ?  And that some of the services they DO offer could have the effect of reducing unwanted pregnancies and therefore reducing the potential need for abortions ?

Is that really so hard ???

This quote from the article illustrates my point exactly:

Planned Parenthood officials said the educator briefly listed the preventive health services the clinic offers _ annual exams and PAP smears, testing for sexually transmitted diseases, birth control and pregnancy counseling _ and never mentioned abortion.

But hey, why let actual facts enter into a good rant, right ?

Sherard: PP operates abortuaries, these outlets are death chambers and they have been directly responsible for the cold-blooded murder of over 50 million innocent human beings; and because they use the ancy decorations of birth control counselling, PAP smears and testing for sexualy transmitted diseases, that cannot change what they are, agents of death for innocent human beings.

The Black Panthers, Al Capone and many murderers helped feed the poor with money from their crimes and killing. So, I guess we should say a few good things about these vile criminals too?

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

It always amuses me how the lefties who want to demonize big corporations never mention the big abortion corporations.  Hmmmm.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Anna, yes, Teenwire IS an official Planned Parenthood site, and I highly encourage people to take a look.  What it promotes, more or less, is for teens to experiment with all kinds of ways to have sex, and it actively discourages parental involvement in making these decisions.

And yes, jpe, Planned Parenthood offers more than abortions, just as General Motors and Toyota sell more than just cars.  However, it’s just as silly to portray Planned Parenthood as not tightly associated with abortion as it would be to portray GM or Toyota as anything else besides car companies.  Because of this, the school district here portrays a (sadly unsurprising) pro-abortion bias here.