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Sarah Palin: Too Inexperienced For VP?

With the pick of Sarah Palin as VP I think the first talking point from the left will be that Palin is just as inexperienced as Obama.  After all, just three years ago Palin was just a mayor of a small town in Alaska called Wasilla (which is, as it turns out, my childhood home).  She’s only been a governor since 2006, two years less than Obama’s been a Senator.

So does that mean Palin suffers from a lack of experience just like Obama?

Well, for one thing, Palin isn’t a candidate for President.  John McCain is.  The experience gap doesn’t matter as much when we’re talking about the second tier on the ticket.

For another, the criticism of Obama’s inexperience lays with his lack of accomplishment.  Palin doesn’t suffer from the same problem.  Despite being heavily outspent by Democrat Tony Knowles, Palin won the Governorship of Alaska to become not only the first woman governor of that state but also the youngest governor of the state ever.  During her two years in Juneau, she has successfully passed ethics reform, axed pork barrel spending (even when it came from members of her own political party) and has opposed federal earmarks for Alaska.

She also pushed through the building of a trans-Alaska natural gas pipeline (the Alaska Gasoline Inducement Act) which, you can ask anyone in Alaska, has been a thirty year battle.  She filed a lawsuit against environmentalists trying to hold up oil production by classifying polar bears as endangered.  In the first state budget passed under her leadership she trimmed $237,000,000 in spending.

And, finally, (and this may be the best evidence we have of the quality of her character) she has supported a Republican challenger to under-indictment Republican Senator Ted Stevens.  That’s right.  When a Republican in her own party was revealed as being corrupt, and not adhering to the values of Republicanism, she sought to get him unelected.

Frankly, I think Palin has accomplished more in just her two years as Governor than Obama has his whole life.

Watching Palin stand next to McCain today and delivering a fiery speech to citizens in Ohio I’ve got to admit that I’m actually excited about the McCain ticket for the first time this year.  I still think John McCain was an awful pick to be the GOP candidate, but the choice of Palin for VP was an inspired one that has this disgruntled conservative feeling a little less cynical.

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Great post, Rob. You referred to Obama as a female in your second-to-last paragraph though. smile


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Rob on August 29, 2008 at 10:17 am
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And today, on this historic day, Sarah Palin becomes America’s first smokin hot VP candidate.

Hope she has substance too.

Bill on August 29, 2008 at 10:19 am

I know it’s really hard Bill, but you can control that tick that makes your eyes jump over the original post directly to the comments.

kbiel on August 29, 2008 at 10:40 am
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Obama is not going to bring up her lack of experience.  Experience is the Republican talking point.  But what it does is make it difficult for McCain to bring up Obama’s lack of experience.

Hawk on August 29, 2008 at 10:50 am
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I am pleased to see a woman on a major party presidential ticket.  But I’m afraid John McCain is using this gender card, not out of genuine consideration of her qualifications, but rather to attract the female vote - especially from those who continue to have difficulties putting past their disappointment and anger towards the Obama-Clinton situation.  As great an individual Palin may be, I do not believe she is experienced enough to take the position of VP.  It’s true; people vote for the President, not the running mate, but with John McCain’s old age and history of ailments, I can’t help but see Palin’s lack of experience in the national stage as something concerning.

Al Pouliquen on August 29, 2008 at 10:51 am

Obama is not going to bring up her lack of experience.

Obama already did, complete with an appropriate smackdown by McCain.

FlyOnTheWall on August 29, 2008 at 10:53 am
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Well, I don’t believe everything I read on a blog, however well written that blog might be.

I read on fox news that she thought McCain did well fighting against politics as usual, and if she really did the things she did in Alaska, somehow I think that she might be a bit harder on McCain’s record.  He still is a part of a congress that spends disgusting amounts of tax dollars.

So I reserve my opinions until I see what she is really made of.

Bill on August 29, 2008 at 11:04 am

I hope Sarah Palin will one day be President. I am so impressed with her. She is a great choice! She has more experience than any of the four candidates so that is not the best argument IF you are a DEM.

Zsa Zsa on August 29, 2008 at 11:16 am

Well, I don’t believe everything I read on a blog, however well written that blog might be.

So, don’t, by any means, do any research on your own to determine if Rob is being truthful or just blowing your skirt up.

I read on fox news that she thought McCain did well fighting against politics as usual, and if she really did the things she did in Alaska, somehow I think that she might be a bit harder on McCain’s record.  He still is a part of a congress that spends disgusting amounts of tax dollars.

Actually, McCain has been very clear on where he stands on earmarks.  If you want to pick a point where they don’t agree, try ANWR.

So I reserve my opinions until I see what she is really made of.

Because her time in office is not a matter of public record?

kbiel on August 29, 2008 at 11:37 am

Well, I don’t believe everything I read on a blog, however well written that blog might be.

If you don’t have the knowledge, you are left with belief.  It only matters what is true, not what anyone believes.


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robert108 on August 29, 2008 at 11:53 am

But what it does is make it difficult for McCain to bring up Obama’s lack of experience.

Hawk,

Not at all!  Ms. Palin may lack foreign policy experience, although the same could obviously be said for Obama (and Biden?), but her executive experience is a lot more substantial than that of either Obama or Biden.

I believe that over the next two months, we are going to see that Sarah Palin is exactly the sort of “change we can believe in.”


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Bat One on August 29, 2008 at 11:53 am

kbiel,

Lay off the resend key.  We got it the first time.


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Rodney Graves on August 29, 2008 at 12:05 pm

Kbiel,

Post your comment once. If it gives you an error screen about an email extension, the comment is still going through. You don’t have to retry 10 times.


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Kenny on August 29, 2008 at 12:06 pm

In my opinion, Palin’s inclusion on the McCain ticket is a strong positive since unlike Biden she doesn’t bring a lot of garbage to the election fray and she will bring in some of Hillarys disciples.


You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

docdave on August 29, 2008 at 12:19 pm

Lay off the resend key.  We got it the first time

rg, its not kbiel (or me).  It’s a bug in the system which gives you a posting error and will not easily allow you to continue.  For instance, with my last double post I had to reiniate the blog from my favorits list.


You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

docdave on August 29, 2008 at 12:23 pm

John McCain has shown great AUDACITY in reaching outside the established inner circle for his VP running mate… and I believe we’ve got our “Friday Night Babe” as well!


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Bat One on August 29, 2008 at 12:28 pm

Can’t this spammer be stopped?
When I get this message, I just close that tab.  No problem.


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robert108 on August 29, 2008 at 12:28 pm

kbiel,

If you’re using Firefox and the .php error message appears, click on the address bar above, then hit enter.  Even those of us who agree are getting tired of the repetition!


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Bat One on August 29, 2008 at 01:02 pm

When they said to tap someone for Vice, I suppose we should define terms.

She is definitely tappable.

I just hope her politics are better than Juan McCain’s.

I’ll have to do some research.


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Move_Zig on August 29, 2008 at 01:03 pm

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Move_Zig on August 29, 2008 at 01:19 pm

This woman is endowed with what is called “cajoles” and she didn’t get them genetically either. I’ve read of her accomplishments and have been very impressed. After watching her acceptance speech I think John McCain is a damn genious for selecting her. She will, I think, wipe the deck with Joe Biden when they debate. She’s a great choice and I’m in love again.

studakota on August 29, 2008 at 01:22 pm

Do you mean “cojones”?  Metaphorically speaking only.


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robert108 on August 29, 2008 at 01:27 pm

Sorry guys.

Yes, I am using firefox and I didn’t know it was going through.  Do you think Bill got my point though?

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kbiel on August 29, 2008 at 01:47 pm
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For the record, it can also happen on IE.

Hawk on August 29, 2008 at 01:53 pm
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Move_Zig,

That really is an inappropriate and disrespectful way to refer to Mrs. Palin.

HG on August 29, 2008 at 02:23 pm

I guess cojolies is the feminine form of cahonees.

Or something like that.

Anyhoo—on that Palin On the Issues site, there is nothing, nix, nada on immigration.  Her for-or against homosexual rights seems to be up in the air.  Perhaps one with greater knowledge on the issue can enlighten us.

She does have excellent, pro-Second Amendment bona fides from what brief info I saw.

Question though, assuming McCain bursts a vessel sometime in his administration and she has to step into his shoes, what the heck does she know about international affairs and national defense?

He couldn’t have tapped Petraeus instead?

Sure, she’s a babe, but the iron ladies of Statecraft have usually been as homely as old boots (Thatcher, Ghandi, Golda Meir, Jean Kirkpatrick, etc… )


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Move_Zig on August 29, 2008 at 02:25 pm

I think she’s on the ticket
cause nobody else wanted to be.

Top pick for GovernorILF

WOOF on August 29, 2008 at 02:28 pm

Yes, I am using firefox and I didn’t know it was going through.  Do you think Bill got my point though?

I use Firefox, and all you have to do is to close the “error” tab and continue.


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robert108 on August 29, 2008 at 02:45 pm

Damn, K! You make a point you don’t screw around. That bug pops up from time to time.

MZ, she knows as much as she learns. And she seems to be a fast and adept learnerer, as W would put it.


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2Hotel9 on August 29, 2008 at 02:58 pm

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likwidshoe on August 29, 2008 at 02:59 pm

More experience in the executive branch than the Dem candidate.  Both a town and a State.  Yes, she was CINC of the National Guard forces too.


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Chief RZ on August 29, 2008 at 03:36 pm

When a Republican in her own party was revealed as being corrupt, and not adhering to the values of Republicanism, she sought to get him unelected

I know almost nothing about this woman yet, but this is the best reason I know of so far to take her seriously. She has not been corrupted yet by the Washinton D.C. corrupted bunker mentality. The only thing I like about Obama, and now Palin so far, is thier lack of experience in Washington. Washington is a cesspool, and they all end up bathing in it. I like it when outside the beltway people get a chance. Its better no matter what party they reside in. True, GWB was an outsider of sorts, but he had strong ties to the D.C. establishment, and he turned out to be a silly incompetent neo-con. Alaska is an independent minded state, and I like that too. They seem to have some common sense there in Alaska, something purposefully extracted from D.C. regulars, regardless of party affiliation.

dragon poker on August 29, 2008 at 04:04 pm

And with MC’s advanced age, if he wins, she might just get the big job. A real consideration with MC.

dragon poker on August 29, 2008 at 04:07 pm

Palin taxed the oil companies and agreed
with the Obama on energy policy.
She has that going for her.

WOOF on August 29, 2008 at 04:11 pm

The only thing I like about Obama, and now Palin so far, is thier lack of experience in Washington. Washington is a cesspool, and they all end up bathing in it.

Obama is a Chicago insider. Chicago is even more corrupt than Washington.


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Kenny on August 29, 2008 at 04:25 pm

WOOF - Palin taxed the oil companies and agreed
with the Obama on energy policy.
She has that going for her.

Obama is for drilling in ANWR?

No.

You fail at recognizing reality.

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Obama promises to lower taxes, Palin has actually lowered taxes: both as a mayor and as governor. Sarah Palin has a track record of more than simply flapping her lips!



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Proof on August 29, 2008 at 04:32 pm

Obama is a Chicago insider. Chicago is even more corrupt than Washington.

Very true, but the scale of corruption is microscopic compared to D.C.

dragon poker on August 29, 2008 at 04:36 pm

oop, Worded wrong...I cant believe that Chicago has the mass scale of corruption that D.C. has, in scope or in actual dollars.

dragon poker on August 29, 2008 at 04:37 pm

I meant to say more experienced in the Executive branch! Sorry!

Zsa Zsa on August 29, 2008 at 04:40 pm

Compared to Obama’s experience, she is over qualified…

golfmann on August 29, 2008 at 04:42 pm

Kenny.  For Chicago, just think Chicago Mayor Richard Daley cursed Ribicoff with an anti-Semitic slur at another Democratic Convention.  Then research the corruption and vote buying--dead voting in the JFK election.


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Chief RZ on August 29, 2008 at 04:50 pm

Natural gas likwidshoe

WOOF on August 29, 2008 at 05:23 pm
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She’s Dan Quayle for a New Century!

Jack on August 29, 2008 at 05:26 pm

She’s Dan Quayle for a New Century!

And who exactly was Dukakis’ running mate anyway?

And wasn’t it Dukakis’ campaign manager, Stasso who had to resign when he was found to have released a video about the plagiarism of another Democrat candidate… Joe Biden?


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Bat One on August 29, 2008 at 05:38 pm

Damn Chief! Daley died in 1976. You still holding a grudge against him?
By the way, what exactly did he say?

ellinas on August 29, 2008 at 05:39 pm

Damn Chief! Daley died in 1976. You still holding a grudge against him?
By the way, what exactly did he say?

ellinas on August 29, 2008 at 05:39 pm
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Obama supporters are always trying to give the false impression that Obama has soooo many people who want him … but, in reality, in both the primaries, and in this general election, Obama cannot get more than half of the voters. Actually, Palin has more experience and qualifications than Obama. Obama was a community organizer, with no executive experience, who has spent most of his short term as a senator, running for President. Palin, a mayor, and a governor, has already stood up to special interests and big oil companies, while Obama has not shown any kahonies yet, except for when he threw his friend, advisor and mentor of 20 years, under the bus. If Palin could get 90% of the women’s vote, because she is a woman ... just like Obama gets 90% of the black vote, because he is black ... it would be good for our country.

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Obama supporters are always trying to give the false impression that Obama has soooo many people who want him … but, in reality, in both the primaries, and in this general election, Obama cannot get more than half of the voters. Actually, Palin has more experience and qualifications than Obama. Obama was a community organizer, with no executive experience, who has spent most of his short term as a senator, running for President. Palin, a mayor, and a governor, has already stood up to special interests and big oil companies, while Obama has not shown any kahonies yet, except for when he threw his friend, advisor and mentor of 20 years, under the bus. If Palin could get 90% of the women’s vote, because she is a woman ... just like Obama gets 90% of the black vote, because he is black ... it would be good for our country.

Gina on August 29, 2008 at 06:48 pm

Palin is the MOST qualified individual on either ticket for two reasons.

1. She is the only one with EXECUTIVE experience.

2. She has more PRIVATE SECTOR experience than the other three candidates combined.

Obama is the least qualified, in that prior to going into politics, he never held a REAL JOB of any kind.

Wing Chun Geologist on August 29, 2008 at 07:33 pm

oop, Worded wrong...I cant believe that Chicago has the mass scale of corruption that D.C. has, in scope or in actual dollars.

It doesn’t control the scope or actual dollars of federal government. So what exactly is your point?

OK, so Chicago is the microcasm of the federal government, but with a higher corruption rate.

A search for Chicago corruption brings up 18.3 million hits on Yahoo. St. Louis corruption gets 6 (and includes the much worse East St. Louis). Los Angeles brings up 15.5 million. Detroit 5.7 (and their mayor is under endictment). Ironically enough, only Washington D.C. with 18.6 million hits, passes it, and it’s close.

And your original point was that Obama wasn’t tainted by Washington politics...but he is. Chicago politics are tainted and corrupt too. If we must point out that the sheer dollar ammount isn’t as massive, we must also point out that CHICAGO isn’t as massive. Your point is moot.


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Kenny on August 29, 2008 at 08:18 pm
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Because her time in office is not a matter of public record?

Actually, I am waiting to see if all the things that she did do back in Alaska is going to keep track.  I am sure many politicians go into public service intend to do good, but eventually are corrupted by the money and power.

I guess you could say I would like to do more research on the things she has said and done BEFORE her Veep nomination, VS. what happens now that she is the Veep nominee.

Kind of like how Kerry was for the war before he was against the war.  Tons of politicians on the left and the right say what is politically expedient, rather then saying and doing what is right.

Hope that clarifies things.

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Bill on August 29, 2008 at 09:44 pm
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As a social conservative i am enraged by McCain’s choice of Palin. Here McCain is trying to sell Palin to me as a mother of five while at the same time nominating her for a position that, if served correctly, will take her away from her family. So I am now asked to chose between an absentee Vice President or an absentee mother. At least Hillary had the dignity to run for president AFTER she had raised her daughter. Palin should refuse the nomination and do what she is taking credit for—being a mother of five.

Joe Mormon on August 29, 2008 at 09:44 pm
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Because her time in office is not a matter of public record?

Actually, I am waiting to see if all the things that she did do back in Alaska is going to keep track.  I am sure many politicians go into public service intend to do good, but eventually are corrupted by the money and power.

I guess you could say I would like to do more research on the things she has said and done BEFORE her Veep nomination, VS. what happens now that she is the Veep nominee.

Kind of like how Kerry was for the war before he was against the war.  Tons of politicians on the left and the right say what is politically expedient, rather then saying and doing what is right.

Hope that clarifies things.

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Bill on August 29, 2008 at 09:45 pm
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As a social conservative i am enraged by McCain’s choice of Palin. Here McCain is trying to sell Palin to me as a mother of five while at the same time nominating her for a position that, if served correctly, will take her away from her family. So I am now asked to chose between an absentee Vice President or an absentee mother. At least Hillary had the dignity to run for president AFTER she had raised her daughter. Palin should refuse the nomination and do what she is taking credit for—being a mother of five.

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Sorry for the double post.  Rob, I don’t know if this is a browser issue, or a site issue, but when I submit comments, it gives me an error.  Yet, when I happened to scroll down when I was going to resubmit for the third time, and I stumbled on the double post.  So essentially, inspite of the errors telling me something was wrong, it still shows my post.

Thanks.

Bill on August 29, 2008 at 09:48 pm
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In response to Joe Mormon’s post, I don’t necessarily think that being a mother should prevent her from running.

She may spend less time with her children as a result, but I would say that doesn’t mean she doesn’t value her children.  Not aborting a child with down syndrome certainly shows that she respects children, and life.

And if she helps make the world a better place for her children to grow up in, I would say thats the best gift a mother could possibly give her child in the first place.

Finally, I grew up with a father that was not around a lot because he had to spend extensive amounts of time working, and traveling the world for business. He was every bit as busy as a politician, but he still made time for me, and made sure I did my homework!  This should be no different.

Bill on August 29, 2008 at 09:53 pm
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Joe,

She is VP, not President.  I’m sure she understands her role as a mother and takes it seriously. Besides, the decision is hers not yours.  Yours is to vote for one or the other.

HG on August 29, 2008 at 09:55 pm

Jack:

She’s Dan Quayle for a New Century!

Dan Qualye came from a wealthy Indiana family, had everything handed to him on a silver spoon.  Quite the opposite life experience as Sarah Palin.

The fact that Jack thinks there’s any correlation between Palin and Quayle just provides the service of reminding us just what a bunch of ignorant fucks liberals really are.

Carrick on August 30, 2008 at 12:26 am

Wing Chun:

Palin is the MOST qualified individual on either ticket for two reasons.

At least those two reasons!

The laugh a minute here is that Obama is the least experienced candidate and the liberals still are trying to explain to us why he is ready to lead.

Carrick on August 30, 2008 at 12:28 am

The laugh a minute here is that Obama is the least experienced candidate and the liberals still are trying to explain to us why he is ready to lead.

Well, that is because only the Liberals seem to be adult enough to understand the difference between a leader and someone who might have experience.

We have talked about this several times with comparisons of failed presidents who had lots of experience, but failed as presidents and lots of examples where great presidents had little.

The fact of the matter is being a leader has nothing to do with experience.


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As a social conservative i am enraged by McCain’s choice of Palin. Here McCain is trying to sell Palin to me as a mother of five while at the same time nominating her for a position that, if served correctly, will take her away from her family.

Would you be saying that if Palin was a father of five?

Let’s not forget that Sarah has a dedicated and capable husband who is perfectly able to care for the kids while Sarah is off attending to the business of the country.


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pparets on August 30, 2008 at 05:53 am

.... being a leader has nothing to do with experience.

Hahahahaha!

And Hannitized proves that being intelligent has nothing to do with having a brain.


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pparets on August 30, 2008 at 05:57 am

Let’s not forget that Sarah has a dedicated and capable husband who is perfectly able to care for the kids while Sarah is off attending to the business of the country.

Yeah, lets not forget that.  Because he works full time, multiple jobs if I am not mistaken.


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Hannitized on August 30, 2008 at 09:01 am

Funny, but I don’t see the word experience in the definition of leadership!?

The word leadership can refer to:

Those entities that perform one or more acts of leading.
The ability to affect human behavior so as to accomplish a mission.
Influencing a group of people to move towards its goal setting or goal achievement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leadership

And Hannitized proves that being intelligent has nothing to do with having a brain.

PP, I think you are confusing being President over being a leader.  A President should be a leader, but they aren’t always.  Certainly Sarah would not be.

My point is that being a leader has nothing to do with experience and it doesn’t.


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Leadership:

1.  the position or function of a leader: He managed to maintain his leadership of the party despite heavy opposition.
2.  ability to lead: She displayed leadership potential.
3.  an act or instance of leading; guidance; direction: They prospered under his leadership.
4.  the leaders of a group: The union leadership agreed to arbitrate.


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Hannitized on August 30, 2008 at 09:18 am
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Certainly Sarah would not be.

No H, she hasn’t lead in Alaska now has she.

H, I know your stupid but this is downright retarded.

HG on August 30, 2008 at 09:22 am

Uh oh.  Alaskan’s tells us about the real Palin:

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2008/aug/29/sarah-palin-the-joan-of-arc-of-alaska-politics/

Although fearless in choosing the difficult outsider’s path in politics, she remains relatively untested as a campaigner, a politician and as a two-year governor. And even as she drew increasing attention nationally as a potential vice presidential nominee in recent months, she has come under withering criticism at home from business-minded Republicans who consider her a misguided populist and an intellectual lightweight.

ohhh...that hurt.  But why would they say that?

As governor her focus has been on raising oil taxes—long suppressed by oil-friendly legislators—

Oh, tax big oil???  Never!

What else?

Critics call her naive, a panderer in her economic populism and reckless in her dealing with the vital oil industry.

But at a time when state coffers are spilling over with new oil revenues, Palin has remained popular with voters, recently pushing through a $1,200 per person “rebate” to help with high fuel costs.

Heh!  Sounds more like Obama than McCain.

F-ing hilarious.


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Hannitized on August 30, 2008 at 09:25 am

Look at HG with the ad hominems.  How surprising!  You go girl!

No H, she hasn’t lead in Alaska now has she.

Well, what do Alaskan’s say about her “leadership”???

..an FBI investigation into political corruption involving the oil industry and Republican legislator became public with surprise raids of legislative offices. As criminal indictments and convictions followed, Palin’s outsider status helped her maintain consistently sky-high approval ratings.

Although fearless in choosing the difficult outsider’s path in politics,

Wow, so she happen to come into office the same time the FBI was cleaning up the mess in Alaskan politics, and Republican corruption.

What a “leader”.


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Hannitized on August 30, 2008 at 09:30 am

... all this from Hannitized, the guy who called the Palin’s DS baby an…

it

He might need to clean up his own dirty tricks.


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pparets on August 30, 2008 at 09:37 am

Sarah...not quite the conservative the Republicans thought:

* Opposes marriage equality, and is “a proud member of Feminists for life.”

* During her 2006 campaign, “Palin said she’s not out to judge anyone and has good friends who are gay, but that she supported the 1998 constitutional amendment.”

* She “doesn’t know” if people choose to be gay.

* Her response to the 2005 state Supreme Court ruling requiring equal access to legal benefits for same-sex couples was mixed. Unlike the previous administration, she did comply with the court’s order and signed same-sex partner benefits in law. On the other hand, she supports denying those benefits through a constitutional amendment, if that’s what the public wants.

* Positively, Palin’s first veto was used on legislation that would have barred the state from granting benefits to gay state employees and their partners. In effect, her veto granted State of Alaska benefits to same-sex couples. The veto occurred after Palin consulted with Alaska’s attorney general on the constitutionality of the legislation in the light of the 2005 ruling.

Wow, I am starting to like her more each day. Too bad the lying media is presenting her a staunch conservative.

Now, I may like some of her politics, but I certainly don’t think she should be one heartbeat away from the presidency.

And PP, did you notice how often her fellow republicans refer to “her”, “she”.??


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Hannitized on August 30, 2008 at 09:39 am

Betcha they don’t call the Palin’s DS baby an

it

Maybe that’s because liberals abort “its”, while the Palins raise their children - all of them.


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pparets on August 30, 2008 at 09:54 am

PP,

Nothing about Sarah’s criticisms from her fellow Alaskan’s?  Nothing about the fact that she raised taxes on Oil?  Nothing about the fact that she gave tax $1,200.00 tax rebates?

Only ad Hominems? 

I miss the old PP.


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Hannitized on August 30, 2008 at 10:01 am

That’s Alaskans , not Alaskan’s [sic.] .

Where’s that damn Wiki when it’s really needed?


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pparets on August 30, 2008 at 10:07 am

I miss the old PP, who could actually carry half a debate about something as serious as Sarah’s lack of experience and her leftist position masqueraded as conservative.

What made you so bitter as to not be able to carry an intelligent argument?


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Hannitized on August 30, 2008 at 11:04 am

Wow, I am starting to like her more each day. Too bad the lying media is presenting her a staunch conservative.

The only thing that bothers me about this position is that she claims to be against it, then votes for it. I don’t particularly care about gay marriage. It’s not one of my hot button issues. But I do expect my leader to tell me where they stand and to vote accordingly.

You know...that thing Obama can’t do…


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Kenny on August 30, 2008 at 12:03 pm

I miss the old PP, who could actually carry half a debate about something as serious as Sarah’s lack of experience and her leftist position masqueraded as conservative.

What confuses me is how liberals are the most vehement opponents of liberal Republicans. Bush is a liberal, yet the attacks against the “staunch conservative” are going on even now, as he’s preparing to make a graceful exit.

And I still find it funny that an Obama supporter is citing Sarah’s lack of experience. Classic.


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Kenny on August 30, 2008 at 12:07 pm

how liberals are the most vehement opponents of liberal Republicans. Bush is a liberal, yet the attacks against the “staunch conservative” are going on even now, as he’s preparing to make a graceful exit.

I just praised her positions that were on the liberal side.  I only questioned why FoxNews is calling her a staunch conservative. 

And I still find it funny that an Obama supporter is citing Sarah’s lack of experience. Classic.

There are a few nuances.  First, even Republicans are identifying the fact that Obama has been involved in understanding foreign policy for over 3 years and finding his position where as Sarah admits she knows nothing about the Iraq situation.  By her own admission she said that.

Republicans are scrambling saying that she can learn quickly under McCain.  So McCain has essentially shot himself on the foot on the experience argument.

This is so funny.  I can’t believe what a gift McCain has given us.


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First, even Republicans are identifying the fact that Obama has been involved in understanding foreign policy for over 3 years

Who? Lincoln Chafee??? Understanding that he chaired a committee on Afghanistan that he neglected to call any meetings on? That understanding?
In the words of another Democrat, the White House is not a place for On-the-Job training!

As has been pointed out and understood by people whose understanding of large numbers is not limited to those less than two, the inexperience on the Democrat side is at the top of the ticket. (The part that needs to be ready from Day One.) The inexperience on the Republican side is in the number two slot, which historically has time to learn on the job, Democrat scaremongering notwithstanding!

This is so funny.  I can’t believe what a gift McCain has given us.

Yes. See! Even a blind pig can find an acorn every now and then! Heh.


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Proof on August 30, 2008 at 12:56 pm
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JUST SAY NOBAMA !!!
Oh stop whining Democrats ... for the past year, you’ve been trying every trick in the book to shove an inexperienced, empty suit, Barack Hussein Obama, down the throats of Americans. Sure, maybe you sweetened the bad taste by adding pretty speeches, big swooning crowds, and fireworks ... but, you still tried to shove him down our throats, at every opportunity. Democrats, it was a lot easier to highjack the primary election than it’s going to be with the general election. Looks like America is going to elect McCain/Palin for President and V.P..  And, that means: No Wright, no Farrakahn, no Ayers, no Rezko, no mean Michelle, and, NOBAMA !!!

Howard on August 31, 2008 at 09:37 am
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JUST SAY NOBAMA !!!
Oh stop whining Democrats ... for the past year, you’ve been trying every trick in the book to shove an inexperienced, empty suit, Barack Hussein Obama, down the throats of Americans. Sure, maybe you sweetened the bad taste by adding pretty speeches, big swooning crowds, and fireworks ... but, you still tried to shove him down our throats, at every opportunity. Democrats, it was a lot easier to highjack the primary election than it’s going to be with the general election. Looks like America is going to elect McCain/Palin for President and V.P..  And, that means: No Wright, no Farrakahn, no Ayers, no Rezko, no mean Michelle, and, NOBAMA !!!

Howard on August 31, 2008 at 09:38 am
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Ok, all of you conservatives who now have seen Palin grilled by the media tell me what you think of her now?
It seems to me that after providing a temporary boost of excitement to the GOP ticket, she has faded away and become somewhat of a liability.  In many interviews the media has really shown the American public who she is and her ignorance really shows through.  Since when did being a Maverick ever give you credentials?  She is a flip flopper (the bridge to nowhere, where she supported then withdrew her support) and she cannot even articulate words in a coherent fashion.  If you don’t believe me watch all of this unedited footage of her with the media.  McCain deserves better you all know that!  It’s too bad he had a real shot at winning this election against that damn socialist obama!  Ain’t no fedral guverment gonna tax us!  If ya don’t have healthcare, yer lazy, and you don’t deserve it.

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Louie on November 2, 2008 at 10:35 pm
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Louie,
She is inexperienced on many issues. I think that is well-known. I am just sick of people saying she is stupid. As far as watching unedited footage of her, I have. I didn’t find any problem with her answers. I am not sure what you have a problem with. She is the one who is energizing the conservative base. As far as fading out, she is still drawing ginormous crowds, 60,000 at one event last week. Ronald Reagan was treated the exact same way as Palin, have you forgotten? McCain is not the one who excited conservatives. Most of us have been holding our noses at the idea of voting for him. We all respect him as a man, but he’s a RINO!! He is the one that will lose the election, not Palin.

di butler on November 2, 2008 at 10:49 pm
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