Sarah Palin: I Was Right About The Death Panels
And she was. She is. She has been all along, as she points out in her latest Facebook posting:
No one is certain of what’s in the bill, but Senator Jim DeMint spotted one shocking revelation regarding the section in the bill describing the Independent Medicare Advisory Board (now called the Independent Payment Advisory Board), which is a panel of bureaucrats charged with cutting health care costs on the backs of patients – also known as rationing. Apparently Reid and friends have changed the rules of the Senate so that the section of the bill dealing with this board can’t be repealed or amended without a 2/3 supermajority vote. Senator DeMint said:
“This is a rule change. It’s a pretty big deal. We will be passing a new law and at the same time creating a senate rule that makes it out of order to amend or even repeal the law. I’m not even sure that it’s constitutional, but if it is, it most certainly is a senate rule. I don’t see why the majority party wouldn’t put this in every bill. If you like your law, you most certainly would want it to have force for future senates. I mean, we want to bind future congresses. This goes to the fundamental purpose of senate rules: to prevent a tyrannical majority from trampling the rights of the minority or of future congresses.”
In other words, Democrats are protecting this rationing “death panel” from future change with a procedural hurdle. You have to ask why they’re so concerned about protecting this particular provision. Could it be because bureaucratic rationing is one important way Democrats want to “bend the cost curve” and keep health care spending down?
The Congressional Budget Office seems to think that such rationing has something to do with cost. In a letter to Harry Reid last week, CBO Director Douglas Elmendorf noted (with a number of caveats) that the bill’s calculations call for a reduction in Medicare’s spending rate by about 2 percent in the next two decades, but then he writes the kicker:
“It is unclear whether such a reduction in the growth rate could be achieved, and if so, whether it would be accomplished through greater efficiencies in the delivery of health care or would reduce access to care or diminish the quality of care.”
Though Nancy Pelosi and friends have tried to call “death panels” the “lie of the year,” this type of rationing – what the CBO calls “reduc[ed] access to care” and “diminish[ed] quality of care” – is precisely what I meant when I used that metaphor.
When the government gets in the business of making decisions about our access to health care, and that’s exactly what this health care bill is all about, then the government is in the business of making life and death decisions for us. If they’re going to ration care, and that’s exactly what they’re going to be doing, then they’re going to deny some people coverage that could have helped them live longer.
That’s a death panel, as much as the liberals may hate to admit it.
Note any pattern there Tranni? Here’s a quarter, buy a clue!
Liberals always labor under the notion that they would be part of the elite ruling class in the coming New World Order. The fact is, they would probably be taken out and shot by their new commie masters as potential troublemakers!
Referring to the rule change of course.
I’m sorry Hannitized doesn’t understand how narrow-minded he looks when he refuses to see the truth behind the slogans.
Yes, she said exactly what you posted, that does not mean it was not inclusive of any Government Panel deciding what health care we are “allowed” to have based on some factor (age, cost, disability/deformity, etc). The numbers prove that lowering the recommended age for Mammagrams saved lives. I can understand an argument against recommended Mammagrams but you should still encourage any woman over 30 to do self tests. Have a physician do spot checks on breast tissue (at the same time as lymphnode checks during a regualr checkup) and allow mammagrams to be performed if the doctor and patient agree that there is a concern.
It is drawing a line in the sand and allowing insurers (including govt plans) to reduce benefits based on a government study (thus releasing them from liability) that makes these panels dangerous.
QLI and VST are not far off in our future. The UK already implements similar systems. “Death Panels” will make those decisions arbitrarilly and beforehand, regardless of what they are actually called.
I think he means your ability to attract a hot Brazilian girlfriend! Heh.
Poor Spammi! If he’s only sign into his account, he wouldn’t feel compelled to sign each of his posts!
Spammi! Heh. Good one!
Condemn what? The truth that the eugenicists in your party would determine that someone with a terminal case of herpes like you should be eliminated? You’d better face the facts, herpitized, you have a very low QOLI and VTS quotient. Your own party would do this to you without any qualms. You’d better get used to the idea, since you voted for it.
Poor spammi ! Maybe we should show some Christmas spirit and pray for his/her/it’s (just trying to be PC) soul.
Mail clerk? I swear, Wankertized! The stuff you pull out of your arse with no basis in fact (nearly everything you say) is nearly as amusing as you pretending to be smarter than shower mold!
No, my logic impaired friend, the subject was trust or misplaced trust, not the object of that trust. The fact that you could not decipher that simple bit of English speaks volumes about your lack of intelligence! Ask Santa for a brain!
This from a twerp who thinks conservatives have no sense of humor!
I guess I should have put in a little Closed Captioning for the Humor Impaired?
hypothetical question
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Let’s say Congress passes a law that effectively destroys supplies of halal/kosher food in the country and prohibits importation of as well CONSUMPTION of it.
Any thoughts on how that jives with Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof in regards to Jews and Muslims?
Russ,
I would have more respect for you and your position if you just said: “just because you are paranoid doesn’t mean someone isn’t after you”.
It would have been both honest and reasonable. But in order to do that, be honest and reasonable, you would have to admit Palin lied, and you won’t do that.
So instead, what we have here is squirming in order for you to make a more intelligent argument than she is.
I would respect you guys and could even find some areas to agree, if you could just stop the spinning and just started being honest.
I have seen you do it in other threads Russ….it’s a shame you aren’t consistent.
I think many people don’t want to believe the government would do that – load up on can goods and shotgun shells.
A Macedonian friend told me an old joke about communism.
He said: In communism, prostitutes are free. In fact everything is free. The problem is that we have nothing.
And her twin, his left hand!
Thank you for admitting there is nothing in the bill about VTS, and that Sarah Palin lied.
Thank you for showing only conspiracy theory wackadoo’s have drawn the conclusion you have arrived at.
YOU LIE!!
Sarah LIED:
The democratic party of today is ideologically identical with the communist party. They totally value primacy of the state over the individual. They will give the death panel some Orwellian name like the Enhanced Life Function Board. The nice bureaucrats on the ELF Board will assign everyone a QOLI number based on your present health and lifestyle. This Quality Of Life Index number will be adjusted periodically based on current health, age, habits, deformities, mental health, etc. If you fall below a number the government determines to be a debit to the health care plan you will be told to go home and die for the good of the party which is the same as the government to these ideologues. And the more financially untenable the health plan becomes the more they will adjust your QOLI down. Pretty soon we’ll be like Michael Parks in Logan’s Run. When your QOLI gets too low they’ll hunt you down and kill you. For the good of the party, which is the same as the government.
Still no links? Still no evidence to back up either of your “dance on their graves” remarks? Didn’t think so. When all you do is lie through your fecal stained teeth like you do, Priscilla, you’ve got no evidence. Because it does not exist. If it did, you would gleefully post it!
But thanks for the excuse to post a link to the website where I honor veterans both living and dead, every week of the year. The more outrageous lies you tell about me, Wankertized, the more you increase the traffic to my website.
Herpitized really is the most clueless person on the planet. He himself compared you to Gov. Mark Sanford, (just earlier in this thread) who is known for…having a hot Brazilian girlfriend. I joked that the comparison was for the ability to attract a “hot Brazilian girlfriend”.
Herpetized, who has trouble reading and remembering the ingredients in water, assumed that somehow you have a hot Brazilian girlfriend, whom now he further assumes is just staying with you for her green card!
If this clown ever got his facts straight, it might cause a tear in the space/time continuum!
I think what it will take to get Hanni to start signing in, is if, (now I am not advocating this!) someone else were to sign in as a guest using “Hanni” or “Hannitized” and said some incredibly stupid, racist and hateful things. Of course, the rest of us might not be able to tell the difference, unless this guest used proper grammar, spelling and punctuation!
The big winners are the big pharmaceutical companies and the big insurance companies. Little else was accomplished in the nobamacare bill.
Chairman Mao’bama seems to be a much bigger spender, gifting graft to the giant corporations, more so than President Bush ever was. Barry is making President Bush look like a piker.
Despite hanni’s obvious spinning and lying, any centrally controlled system must have panels/committees that decide the allocation of everything. Single payer is central control, as that single payer decides the allocation of everything within the system. This includes who lives(gets treatment) and who dies(is denied treatment). Sarah told the simple truth, with no need for further explanation. Under single payer(the Dem wet dream for the healthcare industry), there will be death panels, as there will be panels to decide everything else, including how many Q-tips are to be supplied and how many bandages are needed.
This extremely clunky and inhuman method of allocation is why the Soviet Union was a total failure. No bureaucratic panel can match the speed and wisdom of the free market.
Just because the leftie liars aren’t honest enough to call their death panels by their proper name, doesn’t mean they won’t exist.
A future senate can change the procedural rules (without a supermajority), so it’s not so much a hurdle for future senates as much as a roadblock to prevent it being removed from the current bill.
That’s about exactly what I’d expect from you Goon.
Now scroll up and see that Russ admits she said it. And if you can, admit that it is vastly different than what she claimed she said, today.
She is a liar.
Look Zippy the Huffington post is not a credible new sourse.
lol, funny,
I know about communism. I grew up in Socialist Paradise, I know how it works. That’s why I pity Dino and Hanni. The fools will be put in front of the firing squad if Baran succeeds.
How do you know when Sarah Palin is lying??? When her lips are moving and when her fingers are hacking away on Facebook.
So, is that why you spend half your time on here attacking me and what I say? LOL!!!!!!!!! You don’t need anyone else to make yourself look like an imbecile, herpitized. Its the only thing you are good at.
BTW, LyingThroughHisFecalStainedTeethitized: What does it say about your character (or lack thereof) when you supposedly have this fabulous job and fabulous, beautiful women and make tons of money, contribute to national defense, are a “manly” man and have a fabulous life, when you come here and have to lie through your fecal stained teeth about other people, about things you know are categorically false. What a totally wasted piece of flesh, you are, Wankertized. And a lying POS to boot! I pity you now more than ever!
BTW, “fabulous” may describe you and your lifestyle more than you know!
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fabulous
See definition three.
Don’t worry – the only religion that is in ny legislative danger is Christianity.
Merry Christmas
Is this senate rule, making congress unable to amend the law, actually constitutional? Under what provisions?
Low Ranking? Privates and NCO’s are the backbone of the military. What a jackass!
H:
No. It’s not.
The level of health care provided by government managed health care is based on how many years of fruitful life one has left. If you are 40 (and can expect 35 more years of life) you will receive a higher level of care than if you 80 (and have maybe 5 years left). If you go to the controversial mammography recommendations, they were using exactly these sorts of criteria. Their study here.
It’s not a lie, you’re just not bright enough to figure out why it is true. And we are all going to take this up the a$$ because you liberals are too partisan to realize you are pushing a really dumb idea.
What do you know? Our little “Hanni” is impersonating a middle aged woman! Heh.
Thank you for admitting there is nothing in the bill about VTS, and that Sarah Palin lied.
Thank you for showing only conspiracy theory wackadoo’s have drawn the conclusion you have arrived at.
YOU LIE!!
These atheist heathens are always self delusional. They don’t realize that If you believe in nothing, you’ll believe anything.
Or is the old lady impersonating the surfer dude??? Both sound equally plausible!
Hanni: The logic that single payer will create panels for everything, including life and death, is unassailable, no matter how you twist, spin, lie, nitpick and generally try to change the subject.
If you could do logic, you would know that.
Again, this thread isn’t about you.
Right wing kook!
Wankertized says “low ranking service man” as if the lowest ranking member of the armed forces wasn’t a better man than his cowardly diseased arse!
With the extreme neurosis and schizophrenia that herpitized habitually displays here on SAB its very likely that he would be factored for terminantion by the death panels approved by his own party. Who knew that even liberals could be this stupid?
Let’s try that again-
Troubling logic.
What has been exposed in this thread is a person with a total lack of having his feet on the ground and head in the sky.
Look at your posts and then tell me who is the “trouble maker”.
What a loon.
Lets argue what the definition of theword IS is then shall we Mr Clinton?
Let me be perfectly clear, what Sarah just said, is exactly what WE have been saying Sarah meant THIS ENTIRE FREAKING TIME!
YOU LIE! Hannitized
And man up and sign in will ya?
Sarah was right and she scares the crap out of the left. She is not afraid to call a spade a spade. More on the right need to dump all this political correctness crap and get dead in the face of the liars. Lies, when unchallenged, have a way of becoming the truth. Every Lie the left utters must be met head on. If we do not stand up now we may we may be forced extreme measures to get the country back from the neo-coms. The liberal agenda is a house of cards that needs to be exposed. Global warming is just the start – hoax and chains is coming to an abrupt end. Vote in 2010.
Tranni: Unlike you I freely admit whatever I’ve done. Yes. That was me. As a moderator, and one who hopes to somehow save you from yourself, I wanted to see if it was possible for someone to sign in without an account and a fake a comment under your name. I made it pretty obvious, didn’t I?
Who knew you were impersonating an old lady? And although it is possible for an administror to check the IP address on every comment, we don’t. Only the ones that smell like phonies. And like I said, if someone signed in with one of the many variations of your name that you sign in with when you refuse to sign in on your account, and spewed libelous cr@p, how would anyone tell the difference?
I wonder if just anyone could counterfeit a comment by someone else. Nah! As soon as someone say I used the word “counterfeit” they’d know it wasn’t me!
I am not sure what you are asking – Many people have pronounced global warming a religion so does that make the EPA in violation because they establish national doctrine for religion. Would the seperation clause apply. As far as the food and meals, I think it would be incumbent on you to provide for yourself. Produce your own Halil and Kosher meals.
BatOne should be here to condemn this, but alas, he approves it, as long as it’s his side being the moronic contributors.
I am sorry for being unclear.
(Just to clarify EPA, as far as I am aware is the extension of Executive branch, so technically First Amendment doesn’t apply. Of course there are other issues there. But this is not the scope of the question)
What my question was, (for everyone), how would it not be a violation of the 1st Amendment, if Congress passed a law that prohibits citizens production, importation and consumption of the halal/kosher foods. Notice particularly the last part – consumption. (I am not in any way asking for government to create those.) It is a theoretical question and I am going somewhere else with it.
Hope that clarifies it a bit.
You are getting ever more pathetic, herpitized. You are now on a par with rbb the cut-n-paster and can’t even muster the wits to come up with you own response. You are a loser, dude.
What are the rules for impersonating someone?? Funny how anytime some new lib shows up the right wing “moderators” (read: nazis) check the IP of the new arrival to check for sock puppetry.
So, who did it Proof?? You are the first to stalk people and dig into these matters. We look forward to your honest conclusion. (like that is going to happen)
Brilliant straw man, a red herring and ignorant assumptions… the crowds go wild, the masses demand more! It would be more convincing if you used some more of those kindergarten level insults, they make your intellect shine through.
Now say, could I ask you for a favor? If you ever debate your view in public. I am sorry, identify…right? Would you please be as blunt and intellectual as you are right now or at least on this forum? People love that. They will clearly see that you are right and whatever excretes out of your mouth is true… Good? Now continue your excretions.
This guy doesn’t do logic too good! Two words for you: Bernie Madoff. His clients trusted him, too. Being trusted by your clients is not necessarily a sign that you can or should be trusted.
Besides, no need to claim you’re a lying moron, Wankertized, when you demonstrate it here daily!
Condemn what indeed! Is it not a fact that the “health care reform” scam your side is perpetrating involves reducing the quality and quantity of healt care services currently available to the majority in order to accomodate the 25-30 million being “brought in” to the system? Is there any doubt that the Obama/Reid/Pelosi plan will involve rationing of medical care services? Or that it will be panels of bureacrats who will decide the ultimate advisabiity of treatment?
When the Left’s Ayatollahs of Autocracy can come forth with an honest proposal, one that does what they say it will, and costs what they say it will cost, I’ll be first in line to support it. But this bill, being rammed thru in the middle of the night, is nothing more than several thousand pages of lies, interspersed with accounting fraud that would make Jeffery Skilling, Gary Winnick, and Bernie Madoff look like rank amateurs.
Sorry, H, but I am far, far too intelligent to fall for this scam. More power to Sarah Palin, Judd, Gregg, and the rest for pointing out the reality of what your side has wrought… and the outright lies of those of you who are pushing this garbage.
The Weaselly Wee Willie Wankertized has a certain ring to it!
I am not debating you. I am identifying you as a right wing kook.
You aren’t worth the debate.
Russ is, barely, but he is being dishonest on this thread. Sad.
Simple, legislation has already been enacted (slipped through in other bills). We see the result when the “Health” advisory board recommended changing the age for mammograms. That becomes a death sentence for many women who would have had the cancer noticed early when treatment can be effective.
Hanni, you really should evaluate the actions not the words. The progressives are real good at phrasing their positions in “nice” words yet when one looks at the actions and there resultant consequences, one will notice that there is no connections between the too. aka LIES, similar to the way you try to play with words here.
I suppose, at least DINO sticks to the script in every single post and is blatant about his socialist leanings. Its almost refreshing in a psychotic serial killer sort of way.
I understand that part, but humor me. Can anyone even claim that their religious freedom was not hurt by Congress in violation of the First Amendment?
Don’t worry though, our resident trolls will never admit she was right or that anything called “death panels” exist anywhere in these bills. Semantics are their favorite game. Cue something about wishing there was a way to keep conservatives from getting anything so they all die…
The only thing herpitized has going for him is hate, which is to say, nothing.
Lioncourt:
The US government acts based on centralized decisions: One size fits the entire country. Private insurance companies represent a much smaller number of individuals, and decision making is spread between the doctors office and the insurance company.
I much prefer the system where the doctors who are treating you are involved in the decision about what care you ultimately receive.
The two approaches have almost nothing in common.
This thread has gotten all ad hominemmy and stuff…
This thread isn’t about you either, narcissist!
You got smacked with the truth a long time ago.
Wasn’t it just yesterday that Rob said Sarah’s use of “death panels” was over the top rhetorically speaking? Amazing what 24 hours can do!
LOL!!! Its funny to watch you spin, squirm and lie. Everyone else on this thread and every thread says you are a liar. You are like John Kerry. Every one else is the liar. This is the nature of the pathological liar.
Kenny, you are arguing with an imbecile. Herpitized won’t even believe there are death panels when one tells him to go home and die. This guy is one of the most idiotic imbeciles on the internet. He is a total liar. For example, he tells us he hangs with admirals at the bases his company does business on. Bullshyt. I was in the military and grew up in the military. Admirals have Lt. Commanders to deal with contractors. Admirals don’t hang with civilians, especially liberals. Herpitized does nothing but lie on here. He gets caught at it all the time and then squirms and spins some more bullshyt. His mission on here is to disrupt any real conversation about issues we care about and waste time and make it all about himself. Rob should ban him for dishonesty alone.
“It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.”
Those privates, NCO’s and Company Grade officers are the one’s out in the field getting things done. The proudest moment I had in the Army was getting an ARCOM for being part of a Superior Bradly Crew. Everyone in the crew had to preform at a high level to achieve that. The newest FNG in the unit has more honor than you Hanni. Low ranking indeed.
“You are embarrassed after being exposed as a low ranking serviceman who doesn’t understand much.”
Once again you have showed how you loath the military. Just because you got herpes from some whore that was servicing military men. Dude, it was your fault. You shouldn’t mess with diseased whores, imbecile.
You are such an imbecile you even brag about it:
“The responsible women told me right before we were going to have protected sex and indicated they were not having a “break outâ€. HSV-1 or HSV-2 are usually visual. I didn’t stick around long as one was in a transition period, as was I, she just wanted to hit it because we worked together and because of the tension. The second I just lost interest after learning the facts. So I reduced my risk exposure down to one experience only, per woman.
I have never contracted an STD. But I sometimes take pills for Clamydia just to be safe, because its hard to diagnose and is most common in women.
Hannitized on May 10, 2009 at 10:13 amâ€
Too funny! And there you have your “meaning of ‘is’ is” statement from Wankertized! Pinning this troll down is like nailing Jello to the wall. If you quote him substantially, but misquote so much as a single word (in what passes for his mind), he calls you a liar, because he can claim “he didn’t say (exactly) that!”
You are the Weaselmeister, Wankertized! We bow before your deft spinning skills! Heh.
Wankertized: I know you think really highly of yourself, and you call other people “liar” at the drop of a hat, but consider that on this one thread alone:
Hannitized: More projection than a multiplex!
Carrick: You’ve certainly got his number! I was thinking about asking for a show of hands to see if there’s any one left on this block he hasn’t called a liar!
Does she know you have herpes, the gift that keeps on giving?
Herpitized is truly an imbecile. Easily the most idiotic poster on the entire internet. His STD’s have ruined what was a mediocre brain to begin with. He can’t even keep his lies straight.
Oh I see Russ!
So because Sarah is not telling us what she really meant, we should believe her, even though it was perfectly clear what she said, and meant, the first time!
Don’t think so! YOU LIE! Russ.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/07/palin-obamas-death-panel_n_254399.html
So where in the bill is there wording that describes ANYONE determining who is productive in society, and that being the factor of who gets health care and who does not?
LIAR!
Kenny: Just one question…may I quote you? Heh.
How is this different than private insurance companies analysis?
Special Kudos too to Doug Elmendorf… who truly is “The Most Honest Man in America”!!!
I love it when delusional contributors like WHFF think they are offering insightful data for people to debate!! Note: nobody every actually debates him.
It’s the reality that most, if not all, sane people stay away from the wackadoo conspiracy theories and radical commentary of the fringe.
Crazy, fricken wackadoo’s, these folks are.
Old Soviet Joke
Vovochkin is sitting in a history class when his teacher encourages students to denounce God’s existence and say some kind of blaspheme. Everyone complies except for Vovochkin.
Teacher:”Vovochkin, are you some kind of Christian or something?”
Vovochkin:”No, why?”
Teacher:”Why wouldn’t you denounce God”
Vovochkin:” Well, if God doesn’t exist, why are spending so much time denouncing him? you look stupid; if God does exist, you are stupid once again for denouncing someone like Him.”
Thou whines too much
Russ: I just saw your comment, and was going to say the the trolls would probably just “double down” on stupid, but Hanni already beat me to it!
I love it. Sarah Palin moves the goal posts and her useful idiots cheer on the dishonesty.
Yeah, like we didn’t see that coming, or that it was a surprise.
Dishonest hacks, all of em.
So this is what Sarah Palin realllllly meant, yeah………even though we have her actual quote and even though she specifically talked about actual death panels for the elderly and handicapped.
Scumbags, all of them.
Herpitized, please. One can always tell when you are lying. It only happens whenever you type something. Its a sure bet your GF is plug ugly, but she is probably impressed with your $800 belt buckle. As for how much money you say she makes, who cares? You don’t have a clue how much money I make. We conservatives don’t talk about our wealth or material possessions and certainly it is low class to try and flaunt your trash to strangers on the internet.
And keep telling yourself that that Sarah is lying about the death panels you clueless twit.
The government has a bad track record on managing anything. The post office, medicare, medicaid and social security are all going tits up, yet you believe it will save money and be able to run a health care plan. How stupid, gullible and ignorant can you be?
Your party is a bunch of eugenicists and elitists who think rationing care and killing off the surplus population is good for America. There will be death panels, but the government will give them some nice Orwellian name, like the ELF board as I posted previously. The ELFs will send you home to die, in your case from terminal STD.
“blog” not “block”.( Block is his head! )
The Wascally, Weaselly Wanker Wee Willie has stated that if he were drafted he would serve, but he’s too much of a coward to volunteer. He claims to be in a business that serves the military and assists them somehow, but his contempt for the men and women of our armed services drips from his every comment.
Probably why he’s too cowardly to link to all of them!
Troubling logic.
What has been exposed in this thread is a person with a total lack of having feet his the ground and head in the sky.
Look at your posts and then tell me who the “trouble maker” is.
What a loon.
Don’t worry Kenny, Hannitized is simply another delusional liberal, he has no contact with the real world of any kind.
Every step along the way conservatives have told you what the Democrats were REALLY trying to do. At first many people were too caught up in Obamabotism to pay attention, instead crying foul and calling republicans the party of NO.
People have slowly opened their eyes to the reality of this Health Care takeover. As every idea put forward by Conservatives is slapped down without debate people realize Republicans DO have ideas. As they see things like these panels that will decide on rationing they see that there was truth in what Sarah Palin said about Death Panels. They watched as the lamestream media cried Foul about the “You Lie!” remark even while the democrats rushed to add language to strengthen the bill against illegal immigrants.
Now conservatives are telling the American people that this is just the first step. That nobody on the left really cares (see Dino’s comments) what is IN the bill now as long as there is a bill. They see the camel nosing at the tent flaps, and hear conservatives saying “Watch out, it starts with rationing based on money, but soon after that comes the Quality of Life Index and the rationing based on your VTS (Value to Society).
They were told it was a power grab that had nothing to do with affordability or quality of healthcare. They are seeing the fruits of the Democrats labors and they are waking up and getting angry.
Only the die hard brainwashed blogposters and those they surround themselves with in real life in their little echo chambers think otherwise.
I am amazed by the depth of your intellectual power… More, more wisdom oh enlightened one! Your arguments are so sophisticated! You compassion so deep! There is nothing more to say after you have spoken, as in three words you refute all your opponents arguments! Surely no one stands to compare with child level insults of your magnitude. We are not worthy…
If anyone would know about that, it would be their poster boy, Tranni!
she was 100% right. we all knew it. so did they, but there are just some things you dont tell voters until its too late.
“Death Panels” and “You Lie!” are short to the point attention grabbers that cover a wide range of things. They are intended to draw attention to the issues with a banner over the top. They are not “lies” simply because there is no direct wording to match her direct wording or because what Joe said was not true “from a certain angle”.
You wish to live in your dream world then go ahead, but I suggest you stay away from conservatives, we will continue to hammer you with the truth until you believe it or go away.
Of couse that would be a violation – that is where many people have issues with the government taking over health care. Every aspect of daily life would fall under the jurisdiction of health- what you eat, where you work, how you travel etc. The camels nose under the tent is an inadequate description of the potential. Violation of Constitutional rights is not a problem for the Dem/Libs. They would prefer to wipe thier backside with our founding docum ents. The neo-coms prefer secular society (no higher power to answer to)- It is easier to justify all the elitist immorality, goolags, purges and poverty for the proloteriate. Those unfamiliar with history are doomed to repeat it. Give me Liberty or give me Death
Priscilla, Queen of the Surfers writes:
Are you that frikken’ stupid that you cannot understand simple English?
Over eighty living Medal of Honor recipients honored to date.
What part of the word “living” don’t you understand, ignorant troll?
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Would you care to list so much as a single example of where I “danced on the graves of MoH recipients”? Didn’t think so! I’m tired of you constantly lying througth your fecal stained teeth, Wankertized. May you received everything that’s coming to you this coming year
I understand, that’s precisely where I am going. The First Amendment violation should be another angle to attack the Constitutionality of this stupidity. Unfortunately for some reason it’s not really being talked about.
I say that in order to do away with the “procedural change” the Republicans
throw the same kind of rule into every bill they push. The Dems will have
to cave.
Speaking of quoting people:
She lied, and she was talking about End Of Life counseling, and lying about how that worked as well.
Anyone who defends Sarah of her lie, like PROOF, can’t be trusted for their honesty.
That is not what she said, or all that she said. Nor is it even different than what is happening today. TODAY people are being denied treatment…especially in HER STATE.
Palin has true death panels in her state, thanks to her decisions.
But this is what Palin said:
It was and is the lie of the year.
It’s your issue….deal with it sucka.
LOL!!! It’s funny to watch you spin, squirm and lie. Everyone else on this thread and every other thread says you are an idiot, and a liar. You are like the Mark Sanford of SAB. This is the nature of hypocrites and pathological liars, and morons.
Because IT and investing investing/wealth management are exactly the same.
What would a mail-clerk like PROOFoundlystupid know anyway?
PROOFoundlystupid,
Why don’t you quite lying, and maybe you will have a valid position to throw stones out of your glass house!!
Says the guy who believes he has a dead guy floating around him at all times who will party with him after death.
Rob, you jerk. You totally misrepresent the article and truth:
The “death panels” are the result of not enough care being available, not that the care sucks. You are totally wrong.
http://www.adn.com/life/health/story/864670.html
You don’t even know what you are talking about, fool.
You are so damn irresponsible it isn’t even funny.
Oh gawd….I love it when Rube tries to think:
Sarah Palin said there would be a board of people who decide who should get health care based on their level of productivity in society…..WHICH IS A LIE.
You are saying something different. In addition to saying something different, you are merely saying what exists….today….as in, already.
There is and will always be “death panels”, by your stupid and idiotic definition.
Sarah Palins death panels in Alaska, are far worse.
You moron.
What’s amazing to me is that Hannitized quotes what Palin said and is too dumb to get that it proves out point.
The government making our health decisions for us leads to death panels.
Its too bad you don’t have enough integrity to want to be an independent, self-sufficient citizen.
You are either wrong, a liar or pathetically stupid.
Gawd, of all the numbskulls on this site, you are the most ignorant of your own ignorance. At least Proof knows when to shut up, and when he has been beaten. He just changes the subject, or denied he said what he said, or goes on a personal attack. You, on the other hand, simply lie or are too stupid to know what you read.
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/president-obama/flashback-sarah-palin-has-her-own-death-panel-problem/
Do you know what the word “initial” means? How about the words “initial assessment”?
I cant stand 3rd rate morons, such as yourself who cant read, and then pretend to be smart.
You are an idiot.
That’s the end of the debate right there…..YOU ARE WRONG. Period.
Now, on to the next issue.
Because a private company cannot deny people coverage. Refusing to pay something, and denying someone something are two different things.
This is really first grade logic. Will you buy me something? No you wont? OK, I’ll get it myself.It sucks going into debt, but is it worth it to save your life?
Oh Kenny…..you so funny!
Next time you go to post, why don’t you get a tutor!!
Let’s go over some basic steps, such as reading and math!!
Read the story again, moron. It states that there are two programs from the PRIVATE contractors. So they are not receiving care from the state, they are funded by the state. They are only receiving care from the state if the nurses and home care services are performed by state employees, which is not the case.
So when you say 89.4% are getting care from the state, you are wrong.
Further, there are TWO, count them (2) typed of services. Home personal care and home HEALTH care. So if 227 people died waiting to get reassessed, then that means you need to prove which were getting HEALTH care.
You can’t on one hand say Palin said they would get some HEALTH CARE services cut back and claim it’s a death panel, and then claim some HEALTH CARE services are getting cut back and are not a death panel…….just because you are partisan, and want to protect your Dear Leader Palin.
You see, personal care is not the same thing as HEALTH CARE.
I mean, I don’t even know what to say.
Lastly, you missed the most basic point. It said ONE person was in a nursing home. Where in the article does it say all the other 27 were in a nursing home???
The article says specifically that MOST are getting SERVICES…..but what KIND of SERVICES……personal care???? You see….that is different than HEALTH CARE!!!
And even if those people were getting some health care services, if they didn’t get some because they were waiting for a panel of people to determine what level of care they needed then they are denied some health care….and how does that differ from what you claim Palin said?
Except if they were actually receiving health care, how in the hell is it a problem in the first place???? The issue is because they were not getting health care…….not to mention that 27 died waiting for…..something.
And you have not proved those people were in nursing homes.
You mean except for saying they were in a nursing home…getting the care they need.
I mean……are you serious dude?? You are so dumb…it literally hurts.
It’s painful to me watch you make such a fool of yourself, and think you are making an argument.
I am not even sure YOU know if you know what you are talking about anymore.
Oh and by the way, he did come clean and admit Palin said it, but he then tried to claim that what she meant is that it would eventually go to VST…..which means it isn’t there today…..which means she was wrong…..OR………she lied.
But Kenny, you are just too stupid to keep up on the conversation between Russ and I.
Well that demonstrates your low rank, and limited understanding of how technology is presented, integrated and used to help the warfighter. And that is not what I said anyway. It resembles things I have said, but structurally, it’s a completely different sentence.
I doubt you know the difference between contracting, contractors, integrators and vendor relations.
The challenges the DOD face drive technology development. Integrators take technology from different vendors and create solutions….that do things….crazy things…to help the warfighter.
http://www.afcea.org/signal/articles/templates/Signal_Article_Template.asp?articleid=1299&zoneid=206
Quite simply….you are a fool, who doesn’t have the faintest idea of what he is talking about.
Here is the other thing 3rd rate doesn’t understand:
You see, it’s not a frickin nursing home. The contractors go to the patients personal houses to deliver care, if they qualify. But they cant go to their home, if they haven’t been assessed to see if they qualify, or if they need care.
HELLLOOOOOO!!!! McFly!!!
This is why I am rich, and you…..not so much.
Now please…..stop this insanity. You are making yourself look like a fool.
You see, you don’t even understand the argument I made. You understand (maybe) Rob’s simpleminded understanding, but Rob is wrong.
IT’S NOT STATE HEALTHCARE……It’s merely paid by the state. The work is done by private contractors. So Rob is just wrong.
That is no different than insurance companies paying doctors, you idiot.
Further, the care is delivered by the private contractors and the care quality isn’t the issue…..it’s the access. So Rob was wrong to say State healthcare sucks.
Now, we can argue the age old issue about offering state run healthcare. People go flocking to it, because it is cheaper and people like that, despite what you hear from SAB.
That is why Hawaii’s keiki healthcare option was killed.,…because people who made too much wanted the free care. If people can save money, they will. That is why the costs will go down with the public option.
Anyway, this is just over your head.
Hahaha! What else is there to say, except to expose her words under the light of day, and show she was lying then, and lying now???
What more is there to say other than that? Hmmm…maybe this:
But, I can understand why you are acting like an 8yr. old. You are embarrassed after being exposed as a low ranking serviceman who doesn’t understand much.
*shrug*
And as you point out, they were ACCEPTED for the service, and died waiting for it. All the things you’re arguing here, you turn right around and argue the opposite with Rob. It further illustrates what I’ve always said about you. Once you identify someone as an opponent, you argue whatever they say, no matter what. This is why you can, supposedly with a straight face, argue one thing to me, then the next post say the exact opposite to Rob.
And that’s the point. You’re an idiot and you’re claiming that a beaurocracy is a death panel when it’s not. The reason? Sarah Palin, who you hate, said that something else was a death panel, and you think you’re making her look stupid.
Obviously, refusing a service is different than agreeing to provide a service and having the person die while waiting.
The “death panels” in Alaska are an example of the very thing we want to avoid nationally. I’m surprised you’d bring them up. You’re proving our point. Government health care sucks.
As for Palin’s statement, she was bringing up a hypothetical. Once the government has the power to control our access to coverage and care, what stops the from using whatever criteria they want?
Power corrupts. To avoid that corruption we should limit the government’s power.
quit.
So it comes down to, as it always does, one is only honest when they agree with you. JustRuss was the honest, fair minded person to critique us all against. Now he’s just another filthy liar.
And, of COURSE, Palin is lying. Palin has said all along that people will be denied treatment if this passes. Now that it turns out people will be denied treatment…suddenly she meant something else.
So let’s sump up all the stupid sh@t you said:
You said:
And that is dumb, because 27 died waiting to be accepted.
227 died waiting to be reassessed, which means they were probably just getting personal care, not HEALTH CARE. And if some were getting HEALTH CARE, they didn’t get reassessed and died as a result, it claims.
So you were wrong on two counts.
If 254 people died, isn’t 227 larger than 27?? Therefore, the MAJORITY of people….DIED…..waiting to be reassessed to see what level of care they need. Because if half of those were only getting personal care, not HEATH CARE, then they were NOT getting the care they need. They were getting their TV dinners popped in the microwave.
So you say stupid things, then you try to lie about it later, by claiming you said something else.
It’s painfully obvious that you said the majority of people were getting the care they need. If that was the case, there would be no issue….but there are lawsuits. So, your logic ain’t workin too good brother!
Well, that is your defense system to make up for your lack of accomplishment. You don’t get paid to think……fact.
And what is an IT middle guy??? I’m the guy talking to the customer about their needs and providing the consulting on solutions that they haven’t thought of to solve their problems. And I am the guy that has to show that it’s better than the other products they are looking at. And as a result, it makes my company money….a lot of it.
So, if listening to people’s problems is my job, (and getting them to tell me more about what they believe is their problem) and helping them solve the problem by making recommendations of technology they didn’t think of is the important part of the job……then it’s sort of hard to say I am an idiot who is not paid to think. It’s also hard to claim I am a lying moron if my job is to be a trusted advisor and the result is my clients trust me.
Yeah, sitting in front of CEO’s, CIO’s and talking to them about how to reduce costs, modernize their infrastructure and consolidate their infrastructure is being some IT middle guy, then I am perfectly content.
Working with the DOD is much different, and I can’t talk about that….but.
If having to certify, re-certify myself about new technology and pass exams on a quarterly basis makes me stupid and an idiot……paint me the fool.
What do you do every quarter??? Listen to iTunes?
Let’s also point out AGAIN, from Hawaii Halfwit’s link:
Both of these stories are heartwrenching, but in one the woman is already getting care, and the other doesn’t need MEDICAL care. Any neighbor could help her. What was the state’s solution? Shut down the application process. So, in effect, some people who would’ve gotten help didn’t.
HOLY CRAP! THAT’S A DEATH PANEL!
OK, it isn’t, it’s just stupid and shortsighted.
And out of the 254 who died, how many were getting care? It’s a pretty high number. 227.
That means that out of everyone who died, ~89.4% (Rounded up, for when I’m accused of being a liar) were. Receiving. Care. From the state.
Since the numbers aren’t available, if we were to go by the anecdotal evidence, the majority of the people waiting…are in nursing homes getting the care they need. What we don’t know in this case is massive. What we do know contradicts everything you claim.
The presence of the board is the most troubling thing, but correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t changing the Senate rules also take a super majority?
Yes, changing senate rules does require a super majority, but in another sleight of hand word-game from the Demonrats they say this a procedural change, not a rule change. Procedural changes do not require a super majority. These guys are the most dishonest, sneaky snakes I’ve ever seen.
Russ,
No mater how poorly you spin Sarah’s blatant lie, it will never match the more tempered criticisms she is now dishonestly trying to level.
Do you have pictures of them too!!
$1000.00 says she’s not.
Speaking of quoting people:
She lied, and she was talking about End Of Life counseling, and lying about how that worked as well.
Anyone who defends Sarah of her lie, like PROOF, can’t be trusted for their honesty.
You are so dumb, it’s literally painful.
Seriously, you can’t read or understand the words you are reading. You did this the first time, and you are dong it now.
You can’t understand the argument between Russ and I, and you can’t understand the argument between Rob and I.
I didn’t think there was anyone who did a better job at being dumb than Rob, but you proved me wrong. You are seriously…………dumb.
Read these words:
Do you understand the combination of words that read: WAITING FOR THEIR INITIAL assessment, TO SEE IF THEY QUALIFIED FOR HELP????
That doesn’t mean they have been accepted, you moron. It means the opposite.
GAWD.
Seriously dude, you are a 3rd rate DJ who has convinced himself he is smart because you don’t understand what you are reading, but you think you do.
Sigh.
Pathetic.
Speaking of quoting people:
She lied, and she was talking about End Of Life counseling, and lying about how that worked as well.
Anyone who defends Sarah of her lie, like PROOF, can’t be trusted for their honesty.
Except for the they WERE denied service, and while 27 actually died waiting for it, more are going without care because they are awaiting their initial assessment.
THAT’S SARAH’S DEATH PANEL FOR YOU!!
How do you like it? See?? Any idiot can call a bureaucracy a death panel.
The fact is there are death panels now, there will be death panels tomorrow. But what will not happen is people will not determine your productivity level in society and then provide your healthcare accordingly, that’s a lie.
That is an oversimplified summation of what you think she said, which is totally different from what she actually said, and what she actually said was a lie.
What you are actually criticizing is already occurring today, under the free market system. But you are too much of a rube to understand.
Um, you might want to get your facts straight before you pretend to know what you are talking about.
You two are hateful men, who have nothing going for them and who couldn’t argue their way out of a paper bag.
All you have are made up personal insults. The only reason why your brazilian girl friend dates you is so she doesn’t have to go back to Brazil.
Enjoy your nights on the internet, trying to compensate for your insecurity of being lesser men. I am off to have dinner with my stunningly beautiful girlfriend.
Yet you are the guy dismissing both of Sarah Palin’s lies.
You can’t debate the issue because you don’t have the brains. So your response is to lie and claim I have some STD. Yet, my GF is a PHD, stunning successful woman who owns the room when she walks in it. She makes more money than all of us, combined.
But idiots always end up with the smart, sexy, successful women……right?
*PSHAW*
I don’t know, what does it say about yours when you do? What does it say about you when you have to contact my friends in an attempt to try and make me look bad, or somehow check on if what I am saying is true or not?
You act like you are a victim, but you are the largest perpetrator of the actions you condemn.
She sure was. Guess the “Lie of the Year” from the liberal media is going to blow up in their face.
It’s not contempt for the military to insult a single man. But of course you know this.
You are just dishonest and a liar who dances on the graves of MOH recipients.
“”She was bringing up a hypothetical”"
That’s true, but using extrapolation, I could campaign against Barack Obama by the merits that I don’t want terrorists in the white house. Wouldn’t make it less disingenuous.
It was either an extreme example used to draw attention to the issue, or a legitimate concern about something that actually exists, not both.
I don’t know who you think you’re kidding, pretending you’re more intelligent than me, but it’s not anyone here.
Moreover, you cannot read what I actually said.
Here, we’ll go slowly since you’re an idiot, with your claim, and what I actually said:
“Do you understand the combination of words that read: WAITING FOR THEIR INITIAL assessment, TO SEE IF THEY QUALIFIED FOR HELP????
That doesn’t mean they have been accepted, you moron. It means the opposite.”
My quote above:
Since those numbers came from your link, you have nothing here. 90% of people were receiving care. The 27 people you are talking about ARE IN THE OTHER TEN PERCENT!
Which means, as I said above, the other 90% were getting care. You didn’t refute anything.
“You see, it’s not a frickin nursing home. The contractors go to the patients personal houses to deliver care, if they qualify. But they cant go to their home, if they haven’t been assessed to see if they qualify, or if they need care.”
Fascinating. Except I actually said:
So I never claimed the service was a nursing home, nor is that even close to what I said. The stated purpose of the service is to let people live on their own, without going to nursing homes. And the only thing I mentioned about nursing homes was that, under the anecdotal evidence of your article, most of these people are in nursing homes waiting to be assessed.
I did note however, that, having no numbers, that was not to be assumed.
So, in other words, you weren’t able to debate anything I said, and had to make strawmen arguments. Far from claiming no one died while waiting (a stupid claim to be sure), I pointed out that most people died while getting care. Far from claiming that the service was a nursing home (where you got that…hell if I know), I pointed out that the majority of their examples were waiting in nursing homes. So not only did you erect strawmen to battle, you did it poorly, and STILL lost.
Given that you’re some IT middle guy who has no clue what he’s talking about on anything, and has to come onto a blog of people he hates, who all think he’s a lying moron, to lie about his life and career, pardon me if your thoughts on my career don’t matter much. Given that you have no sense of reading comprehension or honesty, and if you were paid on your intelligence, you’d be begging McDonald’s workers for spare change, your opinion on my intelligence matters little either.
You don’t get it. You’re a loser who begs for attention and respect from people you belittle. By your own standards (and lies) you blow off golf games and some imaginary hottie to tell Rob how fat he is and to call me a third rate DJ and to give Proof pictures of yourself, and then later whine about him using them and your words against you. You consistantly talk about how stupid and dishonest everyone here is. But this is where you choose to spend your time and lose debates with people on a level of rainman.
What the hell does that make you? Pathetic? Moronic? A loser?
By your words, all three. Absolutely.
Must suck to be less intelligent than some third rate DJ moron.
When calling someone a liar, it helps if you don’t lie yourself.
As I have always pointed out on the supposed death panels in Alaska, the poor people who died were being treated. Virtually all of them had already been approved for services and were in the process of being evaluated to see what services they needed.
While it’s a shame that the beaurocracy is so inefficient and slow, but since no one was being denied service, and many of those on the list weren’t even asking for medical care, your point is moot.
And, as Russ has pointed out, WHY they get denied care is details. She claimed they’d be denied care, and they will be. That the panels in the board were established to determine value of life helps her cause too.
Sorry if I zoned out on you and Russ’s convo. You’re such an idiot and a bore it’s hard to pay attention. At least Dino keeps his rambling nonsense short.
WHFF the internalized homophobe tries to make an argument:
Of course that is in no way an intelligent defense of her contradictory statements, or her lies, but. I am sure you feel your emotional outburst has merit. I assure you, it does not.
If that is your idea of making an argument, you should be working in a field where you do not get paid to think.
And please, you and Proof only attack people for “living in their parents basement” because you guys have class envy. Not that there is anything wrong with being white trash. So when people defend themselves, of course you claim they are boasting.
But, the reality is true. You have to make things up in order to tear me down, because you can’t win in debate.
Kenny,
Somehow I imagined this being spat out, rapid-fire by Dan Ackroid doing his Joe Friday imitation.
Loved it!