San Francisco Bay Area Nanny Staters Want To Ban Home Fireplaces

And the insanity of the nanny-staters just keeps on keepin’ on. They don’t quit, and they won’t be satisfied until they take by force of law everything that makes life worth living and we all end up eating roots and berries. Raw roots and berries.
I must have missed the initial article on this in the San Francisco Chronicle, but an editorial by a writer named James Earl Warren caught my eye this morning. It seems that, according to a group called the Bay Area Air Quality Management District fireplaces are bad. Very bad:

Under the auspices of the Bay Area Air Quality Management District, “public hearings” are being held to determine the fate of the family hearth.
Those of us who live in rural areas have a pretty good idea what the outcome is going to be.

Yeah….those “public hearings” are going to be packed with the type of lefty liberal wack-jobs who hang out in trees, blame Bush for everything from global warming to diaper rash, and pray to Mother Gaia lest we offend her further. The article goes on to make some very good points:

The scientific method follows a rigid methodology. Ask a question. Do background research. Construct a hypothesis. Test the hypothesis. And then, communicate the results.
So what is the question? Are the fires in our homes bad because they add to global warming? Release carbon dioxide into the air? Pollute the atmosphere with soot and particulate matter? All of the above?
Where is the research? The Chronicle reported that “government studies” indicate that 33 percent of all “particulate matter” comes from your fireplace and mine. With all the industry and all the cars in the Bay Area, does anyone actually believe that?

Ask questions? Do background research? A hypothesis that can and should be tested? Can’t do that. Might have to deal with facts, old boy. No, no.

Shouldn’t we be given more quantitative information such has, “How many fireplaces are there in the nine counties? How many are used each night? How many hours is each fireplace used? How much “particulate matter” is expelled from each fire? How many parts per million are in the air? How much dissipates into the atmosphere?”
Is this decision truly about air quality or global warming?

Actually, somebody probably did all of that at some point, the end result of which is resting comfortably in the bottom of someone’s desk drawer. Having that information to work with would be…..incovenient. And here is what I think is the most important issue of all. It’s called “quality of life”:

We stoke our hearths for two reasons.
First, many rural people burn wood because they can’t afford to heat their old houses with electricity. Many more feel that burning wood does less damage to the planet than increasing their carbon footprint by using so much electricity.
Banning fires would hurt the elderly who live on fixed incomes and the poor in general. It would be an added tax on the rest of us and increase dependence on petroleum.
Second, for many of us, a fire crackling in the fireplace is about a different kind of energy – psychic energy. After a day’s work, is there anything nicer than coming home and having a class of Napa Valley Cabernet in front of a roaring fire?
Rainy Sundays find us stretched out on the couch, newspapers scattered, 49ers on the TV, and a fire roaring in the fireplace.
On wintry school nights, our children used to come down into the living room to do their homework in front of the fire as my wife and I read.

If the nanny staters have their way all of that will be illegal and they can nod with satisfaction as they go to their global warming conferences and fly over those now safe homes in jumbo jets that spew more pollutants than all of those fireplaces in those nine counties could if they were all roaring at the same time.
These people are dangerous, folks, and if this insanity doesn’t clearly show that then nothing ever will.

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  • http://Array Mickey

    The Yuletide Log takes on an all new meaning in San Francisco anyway.

  • robert108

    I hope you are right, Neiman, but my conversations with enviros, stretching back to the Seventies, and their recent public pronouncements, lead me to what I expressed before. I think the Dems think the enviros are “useful idiots”, but the enviros are really using the Dems as “useful idiots” to advance their very extreme agenda. For the Dems, it’s the promise of totalitarian political power, but the enviros want to change the entire world to fit their radical agenda.

  • Neiman

    robert10: Forgive me for disagreeing, but I think the environmentalists are just stupid stooges, thay are being used to increase Democrat Party power over our lives and once they have sufficient control, I believe they will tell the environmentalists to piss off!

  • Pilgrim

    Looks like I made another lefty mad. Score!!!!

    Nanny Goodbucks said:

    Do your homework before you waste your time writing this type of mindless drivel. Don’t just read an editorial piece and claim you’ve got the facts. Oh wait, that’s how the idiots on the right do their business: they just parrot what Hannity, Limbaugh or whatever other silly talking head says.

    I made it clear that I was quoting an editorial. Also, if you click the link and read the comments of the writer’s editorial you’ll see that the Bay Area people don’t much care for this idea.

  • robert108

    Nanny: Despite your childish and meaningless insult, you are wrong to believe that once they start regulating anything, the govt stops before they take away more of our freedom. You are obviously a libertarian, and no kind of conservative at all.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Ninny Goodluck: I’ve lived in some of the areas they want to restrict fireplace usage. It’s on some of the coldest nights of the year! You must get your facts from Keith Olbermann, Alan Colmes and Al Franken!

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    You are too right. In the fire prone regions fireplaces are banned

    Not just fire prone regions. They do it for “air quality” as well!

  • 2Hotel9

    Wow, you are dense as a stone. It is about setting a regulatory precedent. By placing this innocuous little turd in the code they can move forward to their next step. Incrementalism, its whats for dinner in the leftarded soup line.

    And all this time I thought liberaltarians were all about limiting government and its regulatory powers. Guess that was just another lie.

  • Nanny Goodbucks

    Proof, you are an idiot. In the Bay Area, the bad air quality nights generally occur during heat waves, as I said earlier. Just because YOU lived in an area where the bad air quality nights are cold, doesn’t mean that this is true everywhere. Simpleton.

    And Pilgrim, using an editorial to explain facts is ridiculous because editorials always omit important facts. That’s stupid and irresponsible. Before writing your own editorial, you should seek uneditorialized information.

    I’m not a big fan of these new rules, mainly because they won’t do anything. Poor air quality only occurs during hot days, so these potential restrictions will accomplish nothing. But I also know enough not to assume that this is a blanket ban on fireplace usage, as the Chronicle editorial and your editorial would suggest. I know its hard for sheep like you, but get your facts straight.

    And by the way, I’m not a lefty. I’m a conservative. A true conservative: libertarian.

  • Nanny Goodbucks

    Did you actually read the actual statement? They are “gauging public opinion on rules that would ban wood fires in residential fireplaces on bad air quality nights. The rules would likely result in a ban on fireplace use about 20 nights a year.” That is not nearly an all-out ban. Additionally, the poor air quality days are usually the hottest of the year, when hardly anyone would be using their fireplace.

    Do your homework before you waste your time writing this type of mindless drivel. Don’t just read an editorial piece and claim you’ve got the facts. Oh wait, that’s how the idiots on the right do their business: they just parrot what Hannity, Limbaugh or whatever other silly talking head says.

  • docdave

    Forgive me for disagreeing, but I think the environmentalists are just stupid stooges

    Yep, they are just useful idiots like many others. If and when tyranny reigns, they will not be amoung those with special privileges.

  • 2Hotel9

    You are too right. In the fire prone regions fireplaces are banned, unless you install exceedingly expensive spark arrestor systems. And even them it is rated as a hazard and you pay bloody high permit and inspection fees. r108, I think, lives in that region and could perhaps give us the skinny.

  • 2Hotel9

    Pil, better not tell them about Hardy Outdoor Woodheat Systems, they will really blow a gasket over them. I know quite a large number of them are being used, nationwide, year round. And they can burn a wide range of wood, green, unsplit wood for one. Also coal, and woods that are considered unfit or unsafe for burning in indoor woodburners and fireplaces. Soon as we get back in our wire I will be firing up the woodburner, and it will be kept going till March or early April.

    We are among the 60 odd million households that use wood/coal/pellet/corn burners for part or all of their heating needs. And we ain’t a quiting anytime soon. Hell, we put in a new insert for Mom, over in Pearl River county(Gumpond, to be exact) and she cuts her electric bill down by half from what running the furnace costs.

  • 2Hotel9

    Yes. Those lovely stone chimneys with beautiful curls of delicious wood smoke twirling away in the wind. Things certainly do change!

  • robert108

    In my lifetime I have seen the Democrat Party become the American Communist Party. Right now, the enviros(who are, IMO, neoMalthusians) share a common goal with the neocommies, which is to destroy the United States. The neocommies want to redistribute our wealth to the rest of the world(after taking their cut off the top, of course), and the neoMalthusians just want to destroy everything. Nice bunch.

  • pparets

    Robert108: Bingo! You are exactly right! The Dems have a tiger by the tail; one that will consume them – and us – when the time comes. The Environmental/radical-socialist movement sees this as an opportunity for world-wide domination. Today’s headline? “GREEN PRIME MINISTER WINS IN AUSTRALIA!” Meanwhile, we spend our time fussing over who is a “true” conservative candidate. God help us!

  • 2Hotel9

    Nannitard, think about what you have written here. Then think,
    ‘why would anyone want an ordinance that would stop people from using indoor fireplaces on the hottest days of the year?”. Do you routinely build a fire in your fireplace on hot, smoggy days?

  • http://www.icallbs.net/ iAMbs

    In many parts of California it is already illegal to install fireplaces in new homes.

  • Neiman

    pparets and Robert109: Maybe we are only debating which came first, the chicken shit Democrat or the rotten evironmentalist eggheads? I guess they are fellow travelers and they are both using each other. My only observation is that communist states have never been pro-evironment, rather they believe their leaders are socially, moraly superior to the unwashed masses and are their saviors. Thus, if evironmentalism gever gets in the way of advancing their socialist agenda, I suspect they will rather swiftly and rudely throw them overboard.

  • robert108

    When you get to the nub of it, what the enviros really want is to have the human population drastically reduced, and to roll back technology to the Stone Age.

  • Neiman

    There is not the smallest area of our lives, not one, that Liberal Democrats don’t want to control. This is not some benign ‘nanny state’ mentality or policy, this is the steady march towards tyranny (oppressive government by one or more people who exercise absolute power cruelly and unjustly.) This is not out of control federalism, as it is being instituted at the local, state and federal level. Bloomberg in N.Y. is a liberal control freak, as is Newsom in S.F. and these are only poster boys for the insatiable desire by the Left to turn America into a socialist utopia.

    I remember Bill Jeff ‘The Hillbilly Whore Hopper’ Clinton, talking to wealthy contributors and party supporters in Texas while he was still turning the White House into a house of ill repute and the source of blow jobs, when he confessed to these people that he knew he raised their taxes too much, but he couldn’t trust people to spend their money they way they should, and thus while not directly stated, it meant the government must take and redistribute everyones money to invest in the total welfare state of his dreams.

    So, please stop referring to a ‘nanny state,’ it seems to Mary Poppins, instead think about calling it what it is – government tyranny.

  • robert108

    A true conservative: libertarian.

    Liberaltarians aren’t conservatives. If you’re so “libertarian”, how can you countenance any govt interference in someone’s home?

  • 2Hotel9

    Yes I do, Pil. That was an excellent piece!

  • pparets

    Rob: “lefty liberal wack-jobs!” hahahaha! One of your best columns yet! We have to hope that the vast majority of Americans realize that the liberal left has siezed upon the environment as a sacred-cow issue which, when they could not win in the arena of reasonable debate, will accomplish their socialist plan through fear and propaganda. Ban fireplaces. Abort carbon-footprint babies. One shudders to think what will be next…

  • Pilgrim

    Hotel…

    They’d really have a stroke if they saw the bonfires we’ve had here on my place for the past couple of days. I’m still biurning pine trees down from Katrina and since this cool front blew in it;s been a big fire every night, good conversation, and adult beverages.

    So screw them.

    I just hope they don’t succeed in taking al of that away from people who enjoy it in theiur lives, too.

    By the way….in one of my first columns here on SA I reminded us about a great SF story called, “With Folded Hands.” Remember that story?

    That’s what the nanny staters want.

  • Nanny Goodbucks

    2Hotel9, read my comment again, idiot. I said that I don’t like this potential ordinance because it will accomplish nothing, precisely because noone will build a fire on a hot smoggy day.

    And robert108, how many extra chromosomes do you have? I said that I am not in support of this potential ordinance. I just think that Pilgrim did an irresponsible job of reporting on the issue, and I called him to task for this.

  • WOOFX

    Everybody in London used to burn coal.
    Things change.

    Skied Colorado lately?

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