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It was necessary to execute Sadam, by the Iraqis themselves, and show him dead, just like his sons.  Those bleeding heart liberals who think that somehow they “rushed to kill him” need to read about Napoleon who came back from Elba and ravished, raped and plundered Europe for the second time.  He, in my opinion was worse than Hitler.

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The video has been removed, but i’m sure it’s up other places by now.

Why not look at it?

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I have a question:  Why couldn’t someone make some official looking uniforms for the people doing the deed? 

Why did the Bush Admin allow the people on video to wear plain clothes and leather jackets with ski masks?

Why would the Bush Admin allow the people executing Saddam look like to the terrorists chopping off the heads of people like Nick Berg?

This will come back to bite Bush cause this give the anti-war Dems and foreigners the ammo to say that the regime we put in place functions just like the terrorists.

Memo to those in charge:  When it comes to executing Osama if he is ever caught, wear something that looks like a uniform and not something the terrorists would wear.

More often than not, these mass murdering dictators die of old age or other causes of the human condition.  Stalin died at an older age, Mao Tse Tung of old age, Hitler by his own hand,etc.  Castro, if he ever dies, will be of old age.  It is rare that these maniacs ever get the treatment that they so generously meted out to their subjects.

freeloader.  In case you hadn’t heard Iraq has their “sovereignty” back.  That means they get to run their own internal affairs like executing mass murderers the way they see fit.

Blaming this on President Bush shows just how unhinged you’ve become.

Why not look at it?

Call me a wuss if you must.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

FreeRepublicans.com - get a clue man. The Bush administration didn’t carry out the execution.

FreeRepublicans.com - get a clue man. The Bush administration didn’t carry out the execution.

As I stated:
This will come back to bite Bush cause this give the anti-war Dems and foreigners the ammo to say that the regime we put in place functions just like the terrorists.

Where were the advisors?  I thought the US was training Iraqis, it looks like these are just a bunch of thugs in ski masks stringing him up. 

I guess the Iraqi government doesn’t care about public image and professionalism.  That certainly will empower the nut jobs that say we have just exchanged one thug for a larger, more democraticly elected group of other thugs.

freeloader.  In case you hadn’t heard Iraq has their “sovereignty” back.  That means they get to run their own internal affairs like executing mass murderers the way they see fit.

Blaming this on President Bush shows just how unhinged you’ve become.

WTF are our “advisors” over there training them to do then?  Look like ghetto thug terrorists?

Don’t tell me that someone in our government couldn’t have said to their people “pst, hey, make some uniforms or give your executioners suits and ties so the world doesn’t think you are thugs.”

FreeRepublicans.com said, This will come back to bite Bush cause this give the anti-war Dems and foreigners the ammo to say that the regime we put in place functions just like the terrorists.

Who cares? Why do you lube up and bend over so quickly for them? Good grief Dustin. Grow a freakin’ pair.

You’re talking about what the loony-toons are going to be saying. In case you hadn’t noticed, they’re not exactly sane to begin with.

freeloader, it turns out our advisor’s are there to advise.  Not to tell them what to do.

You should go back to school and find out what the word advise means.

Besides I imagine that we don’t need to advise them on how to carry out an execution.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

You’re talking about what the loony-toons are going to be saying. In case you hadn’t noticed, they’re not exactly sane to begin with.

Yeah, well, why give your enemie ammo?

I guess this is just another case of a lack of thinking ahead.  I think it is stupid to allow Saddam’s executioners look like they are the same are the terrorists we are fighting, but hey, what do I know right.

Besides I imagine that we don’t need to advise them on how to carry out an execution.

Clearly they execute with the same disreguard for public opinion as the terrorists. 

If you are going to tape it, have the people look professional, not like the terrorist thugs.  Is that so hard?

FR, you’re an idiot.  The Iraqis were in charge of it, not the US government.  And it’s very normal for the executioners to have their heads covered, that goes back thousands of years.  Haven’t you ever seen depictions of executioners with black hoods from the middle ages and all?

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FreeRepublicans.com said, Yeah, well, why give your enemie ammo?

I didn’t do anything. The Iraqis hanged the evil man.

Get that through your thick skull.

Clearly they execute with the same disreguard for public opinion as the terrorists.

Yep. They should have headed the calls for pay per view and a ring with wild animals gnawing at him. Damn those Iraqis and their new-found sovereignty doing things their way. The hubris!

Also, the video isn’t of the execution, just the lead up to it… it’s just Saddam having the noose fitted around his neck, no actual hanging…

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Ding, Dong, the Witch is Dead. I thought it was very appropriate that he died the same way that he executed those who opposed them. Glad the Iraqi people were able to pull this off. It may not make a difference right away but I believe it will start the Iraqi people thinking now of the future. I did notice that CNN this morning kept on showing the streets of Baghdad. I think they were hoping to see some protests. The other channels are reporting that there is no curfew in Baghdad only in Saddams home town. I hope the streets stay quiet. That would show the support of the new Goverment. Plus, I would like to see how the MSM spins the lack of protest.

The Iraqis were in charge of it, not the US government.

So the US has no say in what they do?

Great, that means the job is done, the Iraqi’s know everything and don’t need our help.

And it’s very normal for the executioners to have their heads covered, that goes back thousands of years.

Of course.  Is it normal for them to be wearing street clothes though?

Haven’t you ever seen depictions of executioners with black hoods from the middle ages and all?

Yeah, they wore all black uniforms.  You just proved my point.  Thanks.

FreeRepublicans.com said, Yeah, well, why give your enemie ammo?

I didn’t do anything. The Iraqis hanged the evil man.

Get that through your thick skull.

What a dork.

CNN always expects mass protests because they have the belief that a lot of Iraqis are opposed to the goal of a free and democratic Iraq.  Every time something of this nature happens, or when he was handed his guilty verdict, or when there are elections, or any other national event like that CNN expects widespread violence and killings in the streets… and every time they are completely wrong.

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FreeRepublicans.com said, What a dork.

Awww...the truth got your panties in a bunch?

Here you go Dustin.

I hope you come to terms with the death of Saddam. You seem fairly shook up about it.

I hope you come to terms with the death of Saddam. You seem fairly shook up about it.

WTF?  Are you stoned?

All I am saying is that it would be in the US’s best interest to advise the Iraqi government to portray to the world an image professionalism instead of the same thugish image of the terrorists.

I’m not talking about the act of killing him, I am talking about the image through these videos that the world sees.

Part of getting their government going is them knowing how to create a positive image.  This is a public relations world and if the Iraqis do not see that, how can we expect them to succeed?

WTF?  Are you stoned?

You’re getting testy.

All I am saying is that it would be in the US’s best interest to advise the Iraqi government to portray to the world an image professionalism instead of the same thugish image of the terrorists.

Oh, I’m sorry. I missed the part where the executioners were jumping up and down screaming “Allah Akbar” before they sawed off Saddam’s head.

This is a public relations world and if the Iraqis do not see that, how can we expect them to succeed?

Yep. Weenies worldwide will be going on about this, no doubt. Who cares?

Yep. Weenies worldwide will be going on about this, no doubt. Who cares?

It makes it hard to win “a war for hearts and minds,” thus, anyone who wants to win the war should care.

I’ll finish with this:

If the Iraqis are not worried about how their actions reflect upon us, then the job is done and we really have failed. 

If they do not care about how their actions reflect upon us after all the blood our troops have spilled, then we really have failed.

FreeRepublicans.com says, It makes it hard to win “a war for hearts and minds,” thus, anyone who wants to win the war should care.

Pffft.

I swear, you don’t pay attention to anything that has gone on in that part of the world for the last 1300 years.

Nice and slow: they respond to force.

Why you feel the need to nitpick about the black hoods is beyond me. I understand your argument, but ultimately it is a pointless concern. Those who opposed the execution will look for and find any reason.

In reality, they shouldn’t have hanged Saddam. That was not only too good for him, but it also robbed a few people out of an opportunity. So many Iraqis wanted the job of executioner that they should have recruited seven people to shoot him by firing squad. They could have even gone the proper way and loaded a blank in one of the seven guns so that nobody ever really knows if they had the bullet who killed him.

If they do not care about how their actions reflect upon us after all the blood our troops have spilled, then we really have failed.

That’s not the measure of success. They don’t have to like us or even be considerate. Hell,..we defeated the Germans after WW2, then spent decades building them back up. They’ve been unconsiderate and unremittent bastards ever since. Have we “failed” there as well?

No, we didn’t. Because it’s not a measure of success.

Why did the Bush Admin allow the people on video to wear plain clothes and leather jackets with ski masks?

In case you haven’t been paying attention there are groups of people in Iraq who will kill you when you do something - anything - they don’t like.

Executing Saddam would be WAY high up on that list for some of them. Ski masks to pritect their identity is probably a real good idea. Duh.

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By the way, Whistler, I agree with you about watching that video. I’m very happy he’s dead. He richly deserved the end he got, but I just don’t care to watch. I don’t watch things like the Nick Berg beheading, either.

I salute you, fellow wuss.

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Dustin - pay particular attention to this comment from Pilgrim.

It’s one of those so-glaringly-obvious comments that has me wondering why I didn’t point it out first before you continued your nit-pick fest.

Hooded executioners date back to the Middle Ages. Somebody’s the victim of a government school education!

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Why is it that you assume the masks were the key problem?

Couldn’t they wear suits and ties, or some sort of professional uniform and a mask?

Do non-undercover Iraqi police run around looking like bums?

Why couldn’t Iraqi military people wear masks and do it in unform.

Why are the images the world is seeing those of non-descript individuals that could have been randomly pulled off the street?  You’d think they would want to wear something to identify them as agents of the Iraqi justice system, even if they do cover their faces.

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I’m guessing that they wore masks and shit so they aren’t the next ones dead.

I’m guessing that they wore masks and shit so they aren’t the next ones dead.

Duh!  Just seems odd that there is nothing to identify them as being agents of the Iraqi justice system.

Maybe it’s just not a problem that the people finishing the job we as nation started look like the people we are fighting.  That seems to be the conclusion of this thread.

Freeloader,

Sic semper tyrannis.

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Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

By the way, Whistler, I agree with you about watching that video. I’m very happy he’s dead. He richly deserved the end he got, but I just don’t care to watch. I don’t watch things like the Nick Berg beheading, either.

I salute you, fellow wuss.

Hey Guys I am not so sure they even showed the whole deal from start to finish or did they? On Fox last night they didn’t show the floor dropping and on drudges site today all they had were the same stuff fox had on plus the picture of Saddam’s dead face.

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Ok then I’m not a wuss, I just don’t want to watch nothing happen.

Yeah that’s it.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Why are the images the world is seeing those of non-descript individuals that could have been randomly pulled off the street?  You’d think they would want to wear something to identify them as agents of the Iraqi justice system, even if they do cover their faces.

If you look really close, you can tell one was Dick Cheney and the other was Donald Rumsfeld.

That’s why they had costumes on!

(I can’t believe this thread has gone this far.)

Well, I’m torn here.  I agree with FR...this is not a good image to see and have put forth.  The fact that they were yelling “Muqtada” didn’t help either.  They could have made the whole occasion much more effective and chilling by portraying it in a much more somber manner, but instead they came off as thugs.

Maybe it plays differently in the ME *shrugs*.

The bastard got what he deserved, but the folks doing the deed aren’t our friends, either.

Sic semper tyrannis.

So, Freep, your entire problem is that they, the executioners, were not wearing Brooks Bros or Armani suits. You are an idiot.

Toot, Pil, I watched it to the end, both videos that show the actual hanging. Because I have been of the opinion that Saddam should be killed since 1980. This is long over due.

His hanging was of the drop and snap variety. Typically in the Mid-East hangings are of the slow strangulation type. This was a far more merciful death than Saddam or any of the others hanged yesterday deserve.

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The one link at Drudge does show the entire execution. It is in the middle column about 4 lines down.

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Hotel,

The whole thing, his capture, the trial, his detention, and in the end his drop-and-snap hanging
were all better than he deserved and far better than he gave the hundreds of thousands be killed.

By the way, have you noticed that the whole Arab world hasn’t exploded - at least not any more than usual - since they stretched his neck?

Things that make you go hmmmmmmm.....

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By the way, have you noticed that the whole Arab world hasn’t exploded…

Pilgrim,

A very shrewd observation.  And one deserving of much, much more wide-spread notice.  Kinda brings to mind the old Reagan dicta about how amazing it is what can be accomplished if you don’t care who gets the credit.  More proof that Iraq isn’t nearly the disaster we’re supposed to believe it is?

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

But he seemed so popular.  Heck the US media reported that he received 100% of the vote when he ran for reelection.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

2 candidates. 2 different coloured ballots. Only one candidate controls the Secret Police and Military.

That is a tuffy. Who could possibly win such a tight race?

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Well Hot Air stumbled upon something interesting.

They link to a site with the translation of the cell phone video.

Saddam (as the noose is put around his neck): Ya Allah (Oh God).

Someone in the audience: Mercy be on those who pray for Mohammed and the household of Muhammed (Everyone repeats the prayer, including Saddam) -

Executioner and two people in the audience: ... And hasten his return (the Mahdi), curse his enemy and grant victory to his son, Muqtada, Muqtada, Muqtada! (This is a common Sadrist chant.)

Saddam (smirking): Muqtada? Is this your manhood? (unclear)
NSA Muwafaq Al-Rubai’i: To Hell!
Saddam: (laughing) ... and disgrace to you. (unintelligible)
Prosecutor Munqidh Al-Far’awn: Please, no.
Muwafaq Al-Rubai’i: Longlive Mohammed Baqir Al-Sadr!
Someone in the audience: To Hell!
Prosecutor Munqidh Al-Far’awn: No. Please, no. I beg you. The man is in an execution.
Saddam (solemnly recites the Shahada prayer): I witness that there is no god but Allah, and that Mohammed is the messenger of Allah. I witness that there is no god but Allah, and that Mohammed is the-- (trap door is opened).
Audience (in unison): Prayers for Mohammed and the household of Muhammed.
Someone: The tyrant has fell. May Allah’s curse be upon him.
Someone: May Allah’s curse be upon him.
(commotion in the hall)
Someone: No. No. Stay back.
Someone: Leave him for 8 minutes, boys. Don’t take him down.
Someone: Everyone. Stay back. Everyone. Back.

Quite interesting that the people killing Saddam are chanting support for Sadr, our enemy and the leader of the anti-American terrorists in Iraq - then Saddam questions their manhood.

Quite interesting that others in the execution chamber were shouting them down and telling them to go to hell. Also interesting that the Prosecutor presided over the entire execution, and was trying to restrain the passions of those in the room. And apparently succeeded.

Not quite the picture you were painting earlier in this thread.

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I really have mixed feeling about this.  I think he should be gone but by executing him he may become a martyr.  I would have preferred a deep dark damp dungeon.  With just the basic necessities for living. 

Executions bother me.  I know he was bloody and evil but something deep in my heart wonders if killing him was right.

He can’t burn in Hell if he ain’t dead.

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