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Monday, January 21, 2008

Rush Limbaugh Says He May Not Support The Republican Nominee

Said as much on his radio show today.

Yes, Republicans, it’s gotten so bad that one of the unofficial members of the “Republican Revolution” may not even vote Republican in this year’s Presidential election.

Good for Rush, though.  It’s heartening to know that such a prominent conservative is willing to stand on principle and not act as a cheerleader for whoever the eventual GOP nominee is.

Update: Here’s the audio:

And a transcript of the pertinent section:

CALLER:  Earlier you had mentioned that when the time comes, you’re going to announce or get behind somebody, and I’m just wondering, what’s your selection criteria for picking a candidate, and two, how do you decide when that time is that you’re going to announce?  I’m more interested in how you pick a candidate.  Because especially this year with—there’s really not a true conservative.  How do you narrow it down?

RUSH:  That’s an excellent point.  I don’t have a time frame, just to address that first.  I don’t have a time frame.

CALLER:  All right.

RUSH:  And I also, I can see possibly not supporting a Republican nominee.

CALLER:  Hm-hm.

RUSH:  And I never thought that I would say that in my life.

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Funny; I listened to his show today and didn’t hear him say that.  He mostly reiterated that he doesn’t support any particular candidate, and that he simply reports what the candidates say, compared to how they have voted, or what they have said in the past.


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robert108 on January 21, 2008 at 01:58 pm
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I listened to a good portion of his show today and never heard him say that either. 

I hate those stupid embedded links in your post as well.

nash on January 21, 2008 at 02:55 pm
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Don’t worry, Rush won’t end up standing on principle, he never does.  He will end up “carrying the water” of whoever the Republican nominee is.

Lestat on January 21, 2008 at 02:58 pm
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Rob,

I listened to Rush today for the full 3 hours and as far as I can tell HE NEVER SAID ANYTHING EVEN CLOSE TO WHAT YOU ARE CLAIMING HERE.

Maybe the radios work different where you live?

Bill Mitchell on January 21, 2008 at 03:15 pm

I heard it.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on January 21, 2008 at 03:16 pm

HE NEVER SAID ANYTHING EVEN CLOSE TO WHAT YOU ARE CLAIMING HERE.

You can tell it’s true! He typed it in all caps! /sarcasm



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Proof on January 21, 2008 at 03:45 pm

Times have changed in Exeter, the birthplace of the Republican Party. The brick building that hosted the fateful meeting 155 years ago still bears a plaque declaring it as the site at which “The Republican Party was first so named,” but the lower floor is now home to an organic tea shop and yoga studio.

ews48 on January 21, 2008 at 03:50 pm

Whether Rush said it or not, its a noble but self-defeating stance. Allowing Hillary or Obama to waltz into the White House - armed with an expanded liberal majority in the Senate - because we can’t philosophically support Romney, Guiliani or McCain would only ensure the continuance or expansion of a liberal majority on the Federal bench and the Supreme Court.

The damage to our nation, our liberties and our freedoms would continue and expand over the next 30 years. Me must not let that happen! Anyone to the right of Hillary and Obama will get my vote.


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pparets on January 21, 2008 at 04:00 pm
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Actually he did say it.  From his own website:

Rush’s Own Words

CALLER:  Earlier you had mentioned that when the time comes, you’re going to announce or get behind somebody, and I’m just wondering, what’s your selection criteria for picking a candidate, and two, how do you decide when that time is that you’re going to announce?  I’m more interested in how you pick a candidate.  Because especially this year with—there’s really not a true conservative.  How do you narrow it down?
RUSH:  That’s an excellent point.  I don’t have a time frame, just to address that first.  I don’t have a time frame.
CALLER:  All right.
RUSH:  And I also, I can see possibly not supporting a Republican nominee.
CALLER:  Hm-hm.
RUSH:  And I never thought that I would say that in my life.

bph on January 21, 2008 at 04:01 pm

The new Republican empty-tent policy.  Nobody fits in it now.

Carrick on January 21, 2008 at 04:17 pm

I listened to Rush today for the full 3 hours and as far as I can tell HE NEVER SAID ANYTHING EVEN CLOSE TO WHAT YOU ARE CLAIMING HERE.

The operative words being:

as far as I can tell

Still batting 1.000 Bill! smile



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Proof on January 21, 2008 at 04:26 pm

Carrick it’s true that in general we should support our party’s nominee.  But IF someone as bad as McCain or Huckabee were to be nominated it’s gotta be tough pill to swallow. 

Take McCain, corrupt, pro amnesty, pro-wrecking the economy for global warming, pro-censorship, worked with the Democrats to block judges from being confirmed. 

How does a person support something like that unless you’re for those things.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The new Republican empty-tent policy.  Nobody fits in it now.

I don’t see it that way, Carrick.  Why support a candidate you don’t like?  One who doesn’t match up with what you think a leader should be?


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Rob on January 21, 2008 at 05:13 pm

I think you have to have a candidate that supports some of your stuff, not just someone who’s maybe less bad than Hillary, but probably would be more successful than she in advancing their nefarious agenda.

(I love using the word nefarious)


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on January 21, 2008 at 05:16 pm
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By the way, I’m waiting for the apologies from Bill and others who claimed Rush never said this.


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Rob on January 21, 2008 at 05:18 pm

I want to thank BHP for the link.  Great work, I was looking for it on the archive tape.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on January 21, 2008 at 05:24 pm

BPH.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on January 21, 2008 at 05:25 pm

Carrick

The new Republican empty-tent policy.  Nobody fits in it now.

It’s funny because it’s true although this happens to parties on the way out of power all the time. The Republicans may be down but they’ll be back.


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MikeAdamson on January 21, 2008 at 05:36 pm

I’m waiting for the apologies from Bill

Don’t hold your breath! Based on his history here, Bill’s M.O. is: having crapped out some pronouncement that he is either unable or unwilling to back up with a reference, he will not return to this thread, but will wander back to the blog in a day or so, make another baseless pronouncement as if he’s never been wrong or never been refuted.
Then, if you call him on any of his bullshit, he will call you names. Pathetic.



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Carrick, here’s the point I’m trying to make.

I realize that politics is about compromise.  I realize that sometimes you have to take the bad with the good, but there are certain principles that I don’t think you can compromise on.  Basic, bedrock principles that if they aren’t adhered to don’t mean anything at all.

I’m not sure I see a candidate in this field that adheres to my conservative principles.  I wish it were otherwise, but it isn’t, and I’m not going to fall in line just to bring home a GOP victory.


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Rob on January 21, 2008 at 05:46 pm

Rob: “Politics is about compromise” You are right. But making a political error out of principle serves the interests of neither. I know that you abhor the thought of Hillary or Obama in the White House, armed with an expanded majority in congress. That is a principle too!

I freely admit that I will have few qualms voting for any GOP candidate, with the exception of Ron Paul. I also realize that for you and many of the folks on this blog, doing so would be a very difficult thing.

Defending the principles of conservatism is a powerful principle. Fighting the advance of liberalism by any means is a vital principle too. We must decide which principle needs to be upheld in this critical election year. I just hope we make the right decision.


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pparets on January 21, 2008 at 06:25 pm

I heard him say the EXACT thing as well…

Scheeze you tin hatters!

golfmann on January 21, 2008 at 06:38 pm

(I love using the word nefarious)

Hell, I feel better just READING it! smile

golfmann on January 21, 2008 at 06:43 pm

Pparets: Great comments! Core conservative values are terribly important to defend, but so is the need to resist the advance of liberal-socialism by the Democrat candidates.

I would add that it is unfortunate that those here defending core fiscal-small government conservative principles as a virtue do not consider it a virtue at all when Christian conservatives believe Judeo-Christian social-moral issue are their core beliefs and they want to defend them just as passionately, while most of them would also see defeating the advance of liberal-socialism as a critical war as well.

We will no longer get the best conservative candidate for either conservative group; but we know if we don’t vote the eventual Republican candidate into office, we will lose the liberal-socialism battle and perhaps the war this time.


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Neiman on January 21, 2008 at 06:47 pm

The thing is that the Republican party is a coalition.  Us paleo conservatives shouldn’t push a candidate unacceptable to the evangelist conservatives.  Because when we come to it we have to have a coalition candidate to win the general election.

But that would also go with Huck or McCain.

I imagine if Huck were to get nominated and susequently creamed in the general the backers of Huck would blame us Paleo’s. 

Of course they would be wrong because Huck is unelectable and they need to have a candidate that is acceptable to the coalition.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on January 21, 2008 at 06:59 pm

I’m not going to fall in line just to bring home a GOP victory.

This is a wonderful sentiment. One that I believe all gopper should adopt as their own. Together we can make this humble dream come to true this November. Vote with your butts, stay on the sofa election day. It will be good for the once proud gop, now fumbling in the dirt kicked up by 12 years of gops who turning their backs on what got them into power in the first place. Maybe the Raygun revolution was all maya after all. Maybe it was all lies and deception, fear mongering and treasury raiding, nation building and bigger government, it’s an easy argument to make with the bumbling stumbling felonious W administration mucking up everything they’ve touched since the supreme court stopped the vote count. Where is the gop candidate running on the 4 more years platform? What will the bush legacy be? 16 years of dem rule? Well thank you gops, thank you very much.

Dear fish, thanks for the barrel.


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realitybasedbob on January 21, 2008 at 07:34 pm

RBB

Dear fish, thanks for the barrel.

Such a great line, I keep using it (elsewhere) and it’s never a well done as when you do it.

But you are right.  Like children who don’t get to pitch in the ball game, they that lose don’t fight but they sit on the sidelines and pout. “I won’t vote and you can’t make me”.  Butt Voters. 

I’m very disappointed with Rush and Beck.  They should have their Republican Revolution Badges revoked. 

We now know they were never really republicans.  They are ideologues without the political savvy to win elections.  I look at how the dominance of Talk Radio has changed the argument from unity and winning to narrow casting top people that have no chance of winning anything.

Carrik is right.  This is the party of the tiny tent.


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Gene on January 21, 2008 at 08:04 pm

I realize that sometimes you have to take the bad with the good,


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realitybasedbob on January 21, 2008 at 08:08 pm

The party’s not important to me.  The principles are.

Now I can see why a evangelical voter wouldn’t vote for Guiliani.  I didn’t propose shoving him down their throats and asking them if they’d rather have Hillary.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on January 21, 2008 at 08:09 pm

Butt Voters. 

HAHAHAHAAAA

Thanks Gene!

Rush and Beck are entertainers, nothing more nothing less, along the lines of Don Imus and Howard Stern. I think Rush has actually said as much. Somewhere I heard a clip of him saying something to the effect that his job is to get as many people to listen for as long as possible so the advertisers get their moneys worth. Didn’t el rushbo say something after the 2006 thumping that he was tired of carrying water for gops? He is a carney barker a drug addicted barker. Beck, Beck is bovine excrement you invite into your living room.


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realitybasedbob on January 21, 2008 at 08:23 pm

Rob: I do remember that one sentence out of the entire three hour show, but at the time, I thought he was being hyperbolic.  Furthermore, he said “I may not...”, not “I won’t...”.


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robert108 on January 21, 2008 at 08:26 pm

I’m sad to see how successful the Dem Ministry of Propaganda has been in dividing Republican voters.  Divide and conquer…
Don’t be suckers, people!


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robert108 on January 21, 2008 at 08:28 pm

I spy a splintering


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realitybasedbob on January 21, 2008 at 08:29 pm

I’m sad to see how successful the Dem Ministry of Propaganda has been in dividing Republican voters.  Divide and conquer…
Don’t be suckers, people!

Always the victim, huh r-Gumby?

Yep it was us. The pinko commie liberal tofu eating tree hugging gay loving liberal drive by media (owned by republican supporting corporations) who chose each and every gop candidate and made them say thing things they said.

Hey, r-Gumby didja find any good Ace of Spades headlines to borrow from today?


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realitybasedbob on January 21, 2008 at 08:34 pm

The Village Idiot soils himself again.


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Rob: I do remember that one sentence out of the entire three hour show, but at the time, I thought he was being hyperbolic.  Furthermore, he said “I may not...”, not “I won’t...”.

I listened to the whole show too.  I think his feelings are pretty clear.  If the candidate is McCain or Huckabee, Rush isn’t going to carry their water.


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Rob on January 21, 2008 at 08:43 pm

R-Gumby you da man…just look at that comment count!
I must be great not to have a life.


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realitybasedbob on January 21, 2008 at 08:53 pm

Rob: I think he will keep on telling the truth about them, just like he will about the Dem candidate.  That’s his job.


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I agree, that’s his job.  And given his expressed attitude, that will probably lead him to not support the Republican nominee if it’s McCain or Huckabee.


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Rob on January 21, 2008 at 09:03 pm

I agree, that’s his job. And given his expressed attitude, that will probably lead him to not support the Republican nominee if it’s McCain or Huckabee.

So what? I don’t understand the point of this negativity from you, Rob.  Those “butt voters” will get the consequences of having one of the Dem commies in control, just like the rest of us who didn’t cut and run.  If you want to feel righteous, go ahead, but don’t think you are doing this country a favor.
Rush’s job is to inform; it’s up to the voters to decide, in the end.


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robert108 on January 21, 2008 at 10:39 pm
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pparets - you are exactly right: this election is about at least three Supreme Court appointments and a few generations worth of decisions.  So why am I so worried that McCain would get to make those appointments?

Doustoi on January 22, 2008 at 04:11 am

Doustoi: I worry a little about McCain’s possible court appointments too, but not as much as I worry about Hillary’s or Obama’s, because I know what kind they will make.


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pparets on January 22, 2008 at 04:22 am

just look at that comment count!
I must be great not to have a life.

says rbb, as his comment count climbs!



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Proof on January 22, 2008 at 06:04 am

RBB:

I must be great not to have a life.

Most honest confession I’ve seen from RBB, even if the grammar is a bit broken.

Carrick on January 22, 2008 at 07:13 am
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As an independent moderate...I’d like to request that you GOP pussies continue to whine like fat pig Rush///

You are not vitors...you are victims.  I love competing against victims.

Wa Wa There is a war on Christianity...in a couuntry that is 82% Christian.

Wa Wa I’m a millionaire who wants more tax breaks...in a country that is almost 10 trillion in debt

Wa Wa I’m a victim of the liberal media...which is owned by huge, mostly conservative conglomerates...who by the way...own the rest of the world and lobbyists.

Wa Wa This country sucks to live in...well who the fuck controlled the house, senate, executive branch, and supreme court for six fucking years?

Look in the mirror you deuchebags...you’re going down in ‘08.  But that’s what victim’s love....to lose so they can claim persecution....

Mitchel on January 22, 2008 at 07:23 am

Rob and Whistler, my short answer is “too much principle” ends up with few people left.  There is no such thing as an ideal person.

I vote based on which candidate is more likely to move the country in the direction I think it needs to go.  For example, a Republican president (regardless of who he is) is much more likely to oppose large-scale expansion of social programs.  I’m assuming a Democratically controlled House and Senate, and without the balancing of a more conservative president, I’m worried that the Democrats are going to end up really f-ing up the country.

And no it’s not worth it just so the morons on the left can blame the rest of us that we didn’t allow them to go even further down the road to socialism for the failure of their ideas. That is the pattern, btw, for lefties.  I am a hell of a lot more worried about regression to socialism (the biggest threat our society faces) than I am e.g. about illegal immigration, right to life or a plethora of other “principled” issues.

If you look at the shift in entitlement spending, we’re at the 2/3’s mark in our total budget.  We’re already at the 50% mark on socialized medicine.  Let the Democrats take control, drop our military spending in half, leave us in a weakened position internationally in these troubled times, and just see how bad things will get.

I figure (first order) any President will represent his core constituency, so any Democrat will try to continue to bloat our budget with social programs (while blaming military spending of course), will raise taxes multiple times, etc.  And of course on the core conservative principles? Guaranteed to move against them 100% of the time.

Given somebody who may occasionally flounder and not act on the principles we would like them to, and what we are likely to look at from the left.  It isn’t even a matter of “holding my nose”.  I know what I will be getting if we get a Hillary for president.  Thing is, with her high negatives (comparable to GWB after five years of war), she shouldn’t even stand a chance in a general election.

Carrick on January 22, 2008 at 07:34 am

Carrick: Well put; it is worth mentioning that besides the obvious, one of the big problems with the invasion from the south is the plethora of welfare spending on them, including education and medical care.  Having a Dem President would make it much worse than it already is.  Ditto abortion.


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robert108 on January 22, 2008 at 07:47 am

As an independent moderate…

Sounds just like every other hate-filled leftie to me, right down to the bad spelling.


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robert108 on January 22, 2008 at 08:02 am

the invasion from the south

Thank you Mr. Raygun.

(Hey, r-Gumby – big day today! You’re gonna pass 15,000 comments!)


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realitybasedbob on January 22, 2008 at 08:03 am
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It’s not the party that’s down -it’s the country! Ron Reagan had another choice when his party left him -conservatives don’t, other than to say no thanks to empowering RINOs who will also destroy America. Why?

When one is against something like bank robbery on moral grounds, one doesn’t offer to help drive the get-a-way car. (That’s the “win at any cost” think)

Right is right and wrong is wrong. There are principle that can’t be cut in half (like King Solomon’s baby) - what ever happened to character and moral integrity as a necessary criteria for leadership? Look at the trash we are presented with -and that’s just in the GOP.

Don L on January 22, 2008 at 08:28 am

Carrick, I find your post quite reasoned and I agree with a lot of it.

Still some of these guys are going to be taking the country in the wrong direction almost as much as Hillary would.  If I believe that how can I support them?

Now maybe they’d be less bad on judicial appointments, one factor in their favor. 

On the other hand it won’t matter a bit if I support Huck or not.  He’s unelectable. 

Shouldn’t I point out his negatives now before it’s too late?


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on January 22, 2008 at 08:37 am
Right is right and wrong is wrong.

The fantasy of moral absolutism.  The same act in different contexts can be moral or immoral.  Context is everything.

Carrick on January 22, 2008 at 08:40 am

Whistler, let’s assume for arguments sake that Huckabee gets the Republican nominee.  I don’t think that has any chance of happening, but let’s suppose.

You can sit here with a straight face and assert to us there’s little or no difference between Huckabee and Clinton?  I think that’s nonsense, but that’s just my take.

The real point though is there’d be one big difference: He’d be on a Republican ticket and that would be a moderating influence by itself.

Carrick on January 22, 2008 at 08:43 am

You can sit here with a straight face and assert to us there’s little or no difference between Huckabee and Clinton?

Hucks a native born Arkansasian and Hillary was a transplant.  (Said without a straight face).

Huck has good motives for his stupidity and Hillary’s doing the same thing out of lust for power?  Maybe.

The real point though is there’d be one big difference: He’d be on a Republican ticket and that would be a moderating influence by itself.

This gets to the crux.  In North Dakota we have a Republican Governor who’s worse for the state than if he were a Democrat.  The conservatives in the legislature are neutered with him up there since he can draw the Dems (every single one) and the moderates.

So my final question in the voting booth would be would the judicial appointments outweigh a person in office that will be destroying the Republican party as a conservative voice.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on January 22, 2008 at 08:54 am

Still some of these guys are going to be taking the country in the wrong direction almost as much as Hillary would.

Read Alinsky again, and get back to me.


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robert108 on January 22, 2008 at 09:04 am

Only six more comments to go!!!!

Could ya hurry this up r-Gumby, I have a more than a few appointments to keep and I would really like to be here to revel in you accomplishment.


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realitybasedbob on January 22, 2008 at 09:28 am

So my final question in the voting booth would be would the judicial appointments outweigh a person in office that will be destroying the Republican party as a conservative voice.

If you really think that’s true, then how do you account for Bush’s defeat over immigration?  The public spoke loudly.  He listened.

Much harder to do when the person is aligned with the left (and has implicit help of the media to boot).

Carrick on January 22, 2008 at 09:41 am

Robert108:

Read Alinsky again, and get back to me.

Help me on that reference?

Carrick on January 22, 2008 at 09:49 am

Carrick: Glad to; here’s a bit of it, and you can also check out his books.  Bear in mind that Obama is also an Alinskyite.

http://rakesprogress.wordpress.com/2007/07/18/hillary-clinton’s-thesis-about-radical-activist-saul-alinsky/


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robert108 on January 22, 2008 at 10:50 am

If you really think that’s true, then how do you account for Bush’s defeat over immigration?  The public spoke loudly.  He listened.

I would maybe disagree that he listened because we had the same fight in 2007 after his stance helped lose control of the Senate and House in 2006.

Still the illegal alien issue is one that’s fairly well understood and an emotional issue.  There aren’t as many issues that fire up the public as that one.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on January 22, 2008 at 10:52 am

There aren’t as many issues that fire up the public as that one.

So-called “gay marriage” is right up there; everywhere it has been put to the voters, it loses by 70% or more.


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robert108 on January 22, 2008 at 11:02 am
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You know, I think the real problem here is that the Republican party had been getting ready for a split between the Social Conservative/Fiscal Liberal, and Social Liberal/Fiscal Concervative wings of the party.  I strongly suspect, had the Republicans not lost to 2006 election, that that split would have reach full fruit now.  However, being put into the minority has interupted that; both groups felt that they needed unity with the other in order to not be overwhelmed by the Democrats.

Voyager on January 22, 2008 at 11:46 am

I disagree.  All we need is a consensus candidate to be supported by all factions of the party.

The coalition is viable.  The leadership we’re seeing not so much.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on January 22, 2008 at 11:50 am
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Just wait till they nomiated a candidate.

Then Rush will be back to his usual water carrying self.

CD on January 22, 2008 at 02:39 pm
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Rush Limbaugh also said there was no ‘thoroughbred’ Conservative in the race, while Duncan Hunter was clearly still in the race.  This is my opinion of why.

http://www.spankthatdonkey.com/spankthatdonkey2/2008/1/19/why-rush-limbaugh-doesnt-like-duncan-hunter.html

If my supposition is true, shame on Limbaugh… none of the front runners can hold a candle to Hunter!

Spank That Donkey on January 22, 2008 at 05:39 pm
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I believe that G.W. Bush has done more to kill the Republican party than 8 years of Clinton or anything a Dem could do.  Conservatives got burned really bad electing an electable person when they rallied behind Bush.  My thoughts are… never again!  It was Bush and the Republicans who just couldnt spend enough ever.  Every time something happened we were treated to Bush speaking and telling people that the full force of the Federal govt would be at their every whim.  It was Bush who pushed twice for complete amnesty for illegals.  Now it’s Bush pushing for Israel to give up more land for peace.  Not to mention the whole prescription drug and no effort social security, and voucher push he alluded to. It’s just one disappointment after another.  What’s funny is that he still gets negative reviews from Dems and the media no matter how far to the left he goes from Bill Clinton.  Never again.  There really isnt anyone I feel I could vote FOR.  Frankly, its better to just vote in a Democrat liberal and have Conservatives find their voice than to elect another liberal GWB who trashes the party into nothing.  I dont think I’m alone in this thinking either.  Who knows where it will lead, but if Hillary wins I would seriously look for a black party split from the dems and a new minority party formed.  It’s going to get much worse either way.  Kinda makes you not wanna turn on the alarm clock anymore hunh?  Sweet dreams.

doc on January 22, 2008 at 09:27 pm
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spank that donkey.... Duncan hunter dropped out 2 days ago.

doc on January 22, 2008 at 09:30 pm
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A new day brings new info. . . Huck is about out of money (thank God), unfortunately the true Conservative (Thompson) has just left the race, which clouds the future.  The point of Rush isn’t Republican or Democrat, although ‘labels’ are what we are stuck with. It’s CONSERVATIVE.  That was what Reagan was.  He was a former Democrat whose party deserted its conservative footings, and had became LIBERAL.  When his party deserted him, he became a Republican because it still have principles.  The question is do you want to stay with the Republican party and hope that Romney, who hasn’t even been discussed, will pull us more to the Right and that McCain (who hasn’t got a chance of a snowball’s chance in a literal oven) will not keep clouding the issues with his stupidity.  He isn’t a Conservative, he’s liberal. Romney has won a lot of support because he’s common sense, he’s more to the Right than to the Wrong, and he understand how business, which is the bedrock of this nation, runs.  Other issue: SSP: (check out SSP.gov) Bush has signed this non-binding, ‘business’ supported, get rid of the borders in the US, become a balance to the EU agreement.  That is where our problem is going to come from because these are non-governmental forces that want to make the western hemisphere into ‘one’ half the globe government.  Quit all this carping about all you’ve been carping about, get behind Mr. Romney, because we know that Guiliani hasn’t get a chance of the snowball in the South, and quit biting each other. The CONSERVATIVEs need to stand by their principles.  That was the problem with Bush-he redefined conservatism, Romney I don’t believe will.  He’s what he seems to be.  He’s far more Right than wrong.  The Media try to make it a “mormon” issue to throw off the fact that he’s more right than wrong, and as one who had hoped that Thompson would stick with it, I’m going for Romney (even as a Christian, even as a Conservative, even as one who knows that Hill will KILL us with taxation and big government take over of medicine, and children and more power to the COMMUNIST minority).  Get a clue, Conservatism is what Rush and Beck and other on the communications giants are talking about, not the Party affiliations. Unless we start sticking together we will definitely find ourselves in the Communist nirvana of Hill (who will kill us in the end), and not in the US we love.

Greta Rich on January 23, 2008 at 08:30 am
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I wish Rush would take another look at Ron Paul - he outlines his 5 points of conservatism at about 4:15 in this clip, and without a doubt Paul is the only one who really meets all these points.

Bush has really changed the face of the republican party and it astounds me that so many people fail to see this and just continue buy the “party-line”.

Joe on January 23, 2008 at 11:19 am

Joe: It is not up to Rush to take another look, Paul had to make the sale fro himself, he failed miserably, end of freaking story! I said Fred was responsible for his failed campaign and the same goes, in spades, for Ron Paul. He is not a conservative, he is a Libertarian and the two are birds of different feathers altogether.


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Neiman on January 23, 2008 at 11:23 am

pparets you seem like a seminar poster for the liberal republicans posing as conservatives. McCain would have been better off running as a democrat because I would rather not have him in office trying to convince people that he is conservative. Also Rudy is not a good fit, he has the morals of a cat and a is not anything close to a social conservative. His stance on gun is not only anti-constistutional it is very troubling. I do not see much of a difference between Hillary, Rudi and Ted Kennedy.


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goon on January 26, 2008 at 02:19 pm
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Rush is a drug additic, why do we still listen to him when he has just gone off the edge. We need to look at what is good for our country not just us.

Roy G Biv on February 5, 2008 at 05:00 pm

We need to look at what is good for our country not just us.

Pure collectivism.  Who gets to decide “what is good for our country”; comrade Hillary? comrade Obama?

Rush has recovered from his prescription drug habit, which is more than you can say for all the leftie movie stars who go in and out of rehab all the time.
You lefties should be supporting a “recovering addict”, but you don’t, since you really only care about Party affiliation.


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robert108 on February 5, 2008 at 05:05 pm
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why do we still listen to him when he has just gone off the edge

we? Are you a siamese twin or do you have a mouse in your pocket?

spartacus on February 5, 2008 at 05:10 pm

Roy G Biv: One bad slap - Rush’s - does not deserve another.

While I am troubled by Limbaugh’s relentless attacks and distortions aimed at John McCain, I respect him. Rush overcame his addiction - albeit after being caught red-handed - and continues to be America’s spokesman for conservatism.


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pparets on February 5, 2008 at 05:39 pm

Spartacus: Yes, “We”!! There are many, many people, including some on SAB, who think that Rush has crossed the line.


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

pparets on February 5, 2008 at 05:49 pm
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continues to be America’s spokesman for conservatism.

Quite a few people seem to believe that. However, most people who listen to him, myself included, consider him to be an entertainer. His self glorifying bravado is part of the entertainment, drives the far left up the wall too.

spartacus on February 5, 2008 at 05:58 pm
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I actually gained quite a bit of renewed respect for Rush as a commentator when he took his stand against McCain.

I have much more respect for him now than I would have if he’d tried to grope his way toward an excuse to support McCain who clearly doesn’t share a lot of his values.


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Rob on February 5, 2008 at 06:03 pm

Rush is a drug additic, why do we still listen to him when he has just gone off the edge. We need to look at what is