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With his on the take ex-police chief at his side who was a partner in Rudy’s business. The drug company’s executives were found guilty of intentionally failing to report the addictive nature of its drug and the company was forced to pay a huge fine and be placed under supervision. If you look into this closer, you will discover that this company is just the tip of the iceberg in a massive number of shady business deals with conflicts of interest scattered about like leaves after a fall storm.

Rudy’s crooked business deals

But thanks for bringing this up. I was under the impression that Rudy was still on the Rockefeller payroll when he has actually taken up with a new set of investment bankers trying to buy a President.

Yes, people abuse Oxycontin.  But is that the fault of the people who manufacture the drug?

Purdue Pharma, Executives Plead Guilty To Misbranding OxyContin, Fined $634.5M

Rob?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Rob what, rbbob? Do you need someone to hold your hand and walk you through the question?

Are the makers of OxyContin responsible for the actions of other people?

You’re a liberal, so you’ll probably redistribute the actions of one person onto another. Personal responsibility is alien to your liberal mindset.

Oh, lik the personal responsibility came when they plead guilty.

The bush justice dept. though they were guilty.
The bush justice dept. pursued charges against them resulting in Purdue Pharma and three of its execs. pleading guilty.

So you tell me lik, did the makers of OxyContin feel responsible for the actions of other people?
I wonder if elrushbo used any of this in defending himself in his OxyContin doctor shopping case?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Oh, lik the personal responsibility came when they plead guilty.

Dude, my own cousin is addicted to OxyContin. The only one he has to blame for that fact is himself. Nobody else.

You’re giving him excuses. Addicts love excuses and shifting the blame.

I’m gonna go ahead and retract that bush justice dept. stuff.

The night before the government secured a guilty plea from the manufacturer of the addictive painkiller OxyContin, a senior Justice Department official called the U.S. attorney handling the case and, at the behest of an executive for the drugmaker, urged him to slow down, the prosecutor told the Senate Judiciary Committee yesterday.

John L. Brownlee, the U.S. attorney in Roanoke, testified that he was at home the evening of Oct. 24 when he received the call on his cellphone from Michael J. Elston, then chief of staff to the deputy attorney general and one of the Justice aides involved in the removal of nine U.S. attorneys last year.

Brownlee settled the case anyway. Eight days later, his name appeared on a list compiled by Elston of prosecutors that officials had suggested be fired.

God Bless Al Gore and his internets.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

I’m gonna go ahead and retract that bush justice dept. stuff.

Who cares what the Bush Justice Department thinks? The appeal to authority means nothing here.

Just because they found it okay to redistribute blame doesn’t mean that those of us at this website are going to say, “oh the Bush Justice Dept. thinks that? Then okay.”

The company and its executives accepted the blame, lik. There was no redistribution.

I’m retracting it because it appears bushco tried to stop the lawsuit and considered retribution against the USA Brownlee.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

The company and its executives accepted the blame, lik. There was no redistribution.

On the contrast, this is a perfect case of redistributing the blame.

Why are people addicted to OxyContin? Blame the manufacturer. Nevermind the fact that those people are addicted because they willfully decided to get high with the drug.

Do you know how most of them get high with the drug? They put the pill into their mouth just long enough to loosen up the coating. That then gets slipped off. Then they crush it up and snort it up their noses.

And you’re blaming the manufacturer? Heh. Whatever.

You can derogatorily bring up “elrushbo” or any other person you wish. It matters not. It’s a pain reliever drug. Drugs that have historically been fairly easy to become addicted to. Their ignorance of that fact is not an excuse.

Purdue Pharma and three of the company’s current and former executives on Thursday pleaded guilty to misleading the public about the safety of its painkiller OxyContin and agreed to pay $634.5 million in fines, the Los Angeles Times reports. The settlement is one of the largest financial penalties ever imposed on a drug company, according to the Times. The office of the Western District of Virginia, which filed the case against Purdue for practices that occurred between 1996 and mid-2001, said the company made claims that OxyContin was less addictive than other painkillers and less subject to abuse, ”despite warnings to the contrary from doctors, the media and members of its own sales force,” the Times reports (Zimmerman, Los Angeles Times, 5/11). The company also claimed that OxyContin could be discontinued without feeling symptoms of withdrawal (Appleby/Davis, USA Today, 5/11). “Purdue trained its sales representatives to make false representations to health care providers about the difficulty of exacting oxycodone, the active ingredient, from the OxyContin tablet,” according to FDA (Lopes, Washington Times,

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

The company also claimed that OxyContin could be discontinued without feeling symptoms of withdrawal...

That’s a pretty stupid claim from them.

They were fined for that, not for the actions of other people.

Yes, people abuse Oxycontin.  But is that the fault of the people who manufacture the drug?

NO. They’re not responsible for people who abuse the drug. They are responsible for the false claims.

So if a drug company tells a doctor that their drug is safe and that doctor tells her patient that the drug is safe and the patient then becomes addicted to the drug, in your world the patient is guilty?

No, they are not responsible for the people who abused the drug, they are, and plead guilty to, false claims which lead innocent people to become addicted.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

My wife has Rheumatoid Arthritis and is in constant pain. She takes Oxycontin for it which allows her to live a halfway normal life.

It is prescribed by her Rheumatologist, and since she has been taking it for a couple of years, she is quite likley addicted to it.

What do you suggest? That she quit taking it because you don’t like drug companies? Is there a substitute that is as effective and is made by properly progressive organic farmers or someone?

rbbob - we agree. The company should have been found culpable for the false claims.

They should not be held accountable for the throngs of people out there who willfully abuse the drug.

John, I am sorry to hear about your wife’s arthritis. My mother has got it pretty bad too. I suppose someday I will as well.

This discussion is not whether or not the drug is good or bad.
It is about the responsibility of its manufacture to disclose info it knew about OxyContins’ additive properties and whether they are responsible for the subsequent addiction of people deprived of that information.

Ya see lik, we agree. I accept your apology.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Ya see lik, we agree. I accept your apology.

I didn’t apologize.

Lik please go ahead and make an apology.
It will not make you less of a man, nor will it take away your core conservative values.

Lik please go ahead and make an apology.

For what reason?

Yes, people abuse Oxycontin.  But is that the fault of the people who manufacture the drug?

It was then that rbbob came in with a case that did not apply. I took issue with that.

So again, why apologize?

I accept ellinas’ plea for your apology.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

So again, why apologize?
likwidshoe on December 29, 2007 at 09:51 am

For all your past and present sins.

I accept ellinas’ plea for your apology.

Hahaha!

Absolutely silly.

Thanks for the laughs. I hope you’re laughing as well.

Good times at Say Anything blog.

ellinas - For all your past and present sins.

The apologies for those wouldn’t go to you.

Of course I am laughing, what is the point of reading blog comments if not for laughing.

As George said, Drug therapies are replacing a lot of medicine as we used to know it.

Good ole decider guy.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Thank you for laughing. I meant it as a joke.

Where the heck is Rush Limbaugh when you really need an expert.  He has more facts and figures on Oxycontin than Global Warming.  A brand new ear and how about that 30 sec. jail sentence.  Mega Dittos sports fan!

This whole thing is about guilt by association; when Republicans did this in the Fifties and Sixties, the lefties squealed “McCarthyism”.  I guess when lefties do it, it’s OK.  Hypocrites.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.