So you think it is a good idea to promote an unreal ideal of female body image. To advocate embezzelment for personal profit. Murder to coverup medical malfeasence and sexual misconduct. And that was just the actions of the main characters in the first season. You really think this is something teenagers should be watching and emulating? And here I thought you had a solid grounding in reality. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

Tipper Gore did think she was God!

I am going to let Gene know.

http://sayanythingblog.com/2006/08/10/_understanding_radical_islam/

I’d be just as worried if we elected a fundamentalist Christian as if we elected a fundamentlaist Muslim as our president

I disagree. I am more worried about todays moderate new evangelical christian than fundamental christians. Now the radical christian who is just extreme is another story. New evangelicals believe they are called to redeem the culture. They have no problem legislating to gain this agenda. It is believed they can usher in the kingdom of Christ by doing God’s work as defined by their theology. Just read Rick Warren. As a fundamentalist christian I disagree with this strategy.

Most Christian denominations, and those with any significant number of congregants, accept the Nicene Creed (in one of its historical or modern forms), but the Mormons would object to some of the assertions in the creed. You could apply the same distinctions between Christians and Jehovah’s Witnesses or Christians and Christian Science. At some point, the differences in fundamental beliefs separates them indefinitely.

Come on. The Nicene Creed is the basis for all Christianity? If you don’t subscribe to it, you are not really Christian?

Plenty of Evangelical Churches don’t subscribe either. Only the early branches of Catholocism form their beliefs around this creed. Most Evangelical Churches of the modern day are moving away from early Catholic teachings and rejecting wholeheartedly the Catholic Dogma that is not part of the Bible.

Basically what you are doing is seperating out the branches of Christianity that you have a theological difference with and proceeding to call them “non-Christian”. Then when you are called on it, you refer back to Rob and say “technically” these folks could be called Christian, but not really.

If you don’t kill the Jews and the infidels and the Crusaders, you are not really a Muslim either to the Wahhabis.

“Radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam in a country like America.”

Rob writes;

That’s weird, because I can’t even remember the last time some reporters were forced to convert to radical Mormonism at gun point, nor do I remember the last time some crazed Presbyterian threatened to saw a hostage’s head off if his demand weren’t met.

Of course. America is a democracy. Religious fanatics don’t need to resort to violence and terrorism to accomplish their goals–they can use the voting booths.

I’d be just as worried if we elected a fundamentalist Christian as if we elected a fundamentlaist Muslim as our President.

Belief in Jesus Christ is the only requirement to be a Christian last I checked.

Muslims believe in Jesus Christ, but that doesn’t make them Christians. George Harrison believed in Jesus Christ, but I’m fairly certain that he never referred to himself as a Christian.

Mormons believe in the Bible and Jesus Christ, so I fail to see your logic here.

No, the Mormons believe the bible has been mistranslated and that it is superceded by The Book of Mormon. They do not recognized other /Christian churches as being correct. You will never find a cross or crucifix at any Mormon church. While revering the symbol of the cross is not a requirement for being Christian, the rejection of it as a symbol should tell you something.

I didn’t make the previous comment to denigrate anyone. I would have made the same comment if Rob had conflated Islam with Druze or Hinduism with Buddhism.

Can you point to many examples of Muslim politicians in democratic societies who use violence for political ends?

do one have to believe in the literal meaning of the Bible and be in the mold of Christ to be a Christian?

Over my pay grade.

Care to name a single exemplar of those:

those Christians wanting to legislate the entire Bible and make it hte premier law of the land here in the United States

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Jesus Christ taught by example, not by forcing his teachings on others. Anyone who wants to use force isn’t a real Christian.

“Religious fanatics don’t need to resort to violence and terrorism to accomplish their goals–they can use the voting booths.”

This is the latest and most egregious in wrong equivalences. Voting is not in any way equivalent to violence and terrorism. As a matter of fact, voting is the antidote to violence and terrorism. Get real.

So, FL, were you this upset when Tipper and Al Gore were on their campaign for 8 years to censor music,videos, and TV in the ’80s?

Great question, Two!! I guess Al and Tipper think they are God, or Mr and Mrs God, or something like that, at least by FL’s way of thinking.

Ah, I actually made my post before watching the updated video, a video which, not surprisingly, supports everything I just said. Her full comments go:

“Radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam–in a country like America, where we have a separation of church and state, where we are a democracy.”

The sentence you’ve quoted for your story is punctuated horribly, and–I’d go so far as to say it deliberately misquotes her. It’s shoddy and dishonest. I thank you for posting the whole thing so we can see for ourselves.

Rob writes:

Is it really true that radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam in America right now? Because that just isn’t true.

We seem to be reading O’Donnell’s comments two different ways. When she says:

“Radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam in a country like America.”

I interpret that as meaning “Radical Christianity is just as threatening to western democracies as radical Islam is threatening to western democracies.” In other words, no, she’s not suggesting that Christians are going to fly planes into our buildings; rather, she’s saying that Islam and Christianity pose the same problems–are “just as threatening”–in western democracies. It’s the combination of Islam, poor education, and dictatorial leaders that lead to the extreme violence from Middle-Eastern Muslims. If we put radical Christians and radical Muslims on the same playing field (a western democracy), they would both threaten it equally. It’s why she says “a country LIKE the United States” instead of “the United States.”

Rob writes:

Rosie is talking about Christians here in the U.S. who want more religion in government. Prayer in schools, ten commandments in courthouses, no gay marriage, etc. She seems to be saying that because both Islamic terrorists and ardent Christians here in America are each…zealous

I don’t think she’s comparing American Christian Conservatives with Middle-Eastern Muslim terrorists. She’s just saying that both Christian fundamentalism and Islamic fundamentalism equally threaten the western democratic way of life.

At least that’s how I’ve interpreted it. Would you agree with that premise?

Tipper Gore did think she was God, she was an idiot and I think she is probably very ashamed of what she did back then.

Were you all ever into Howard before he left to satellite? It’s amazing how at one time he shared the same demographic with Rush Limbaugh according to Talkers Magazine.

1. Jesus Christ was the Only Begotten Son of God the Father.
2. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that Jehovah of the Old Testament is Jesus Christ (and not God the Father).
3. Because of Christ’s suffering, death, and resurrection, all mankind is saved from death and will rise again and receive a perfected physical body.
4. Furthermore, the Atonement satisfies the demands of justice; grace, forgiveness, and mercy (i.e. salvation) are extended to all who accept Christ as their personal Savior and become His life-long disciples.
5. A disciple of Christ follows His teachings in humility, with faith, hope, love, charity, and gratitude.

Boy, Kbiel, this is what that same wiki article says. These folks don’t sound like Christians at all. Glad that you cleared that up.

I like the way that kbiel states that Christianity is something narrowly defined as the US Evangelical or some other specific version of what Jesus is and what Jesus said. Ironically, if you listen to the exclusionist vision of the Wahhabi Muslims, you will hear similar rhetoric. If you do not follow their version, you are not really Muslim, therefore you deserve to die.

But this clearly illustrates a point. Kbiel did not threaten to kill me because I am infidel because I disagree with his interpretation of what it is to be “Christian”.

However during the 1500′s and 1600′s, Christianity was not so peacefully reforming to split from Catholocism and it was not particullarly pretty. But that was in the 1600′s that the split became for the most part peaceful between the Protestants and the Catholics.

But to kbiel’s point about Mormons, many claim that Catholics are not true Christians either and there is plenty of anti-Catholic rhetoric too. See Bob Jones University and their issues. However, again, while Christians may occasionally even be racist or bigotted about their beliefs or the difference between believers and non-believers, they normally don’t cut folks’ heads off. EVEN THE RADICAL CHRISTIANS.

Organized religion is the politics of spirituality.

Its not suppose to be that way but sadly it is true all to often.

Christianity in America today is the complete and total opposite of Christ’s beliefs.

Thank you Robert for your insightful and open-minded opinion here. You and Dave should get along quite well together.

To an atheist like me the distinctions between the various sects sometimes seem a little blurry.

I imagine it’s the same way for Rosie O’Donnell–yet you criticize her for it.

Religious fanaticism is bad, whether it’s for Mohammed or JC. I can’t believe you disagree with that statement, Rob.

Christianity of any stripe wouldn’t be so bad if they acted AT ALL like Christ.

Christianity in America today is the complete and total opposite of Christ’s beliefs.

Sorry, I didn’t mean to knock us OT like this. But I guess my apology is about to rendered meaningless because I am going to respond.

Christianity is the belief that Christ was the son of God and the Messiah, correct?

Which would differentiate Christianity from Islam and Judaism, I believe. But Mormons believe in Christ as the Messiah, and therefore they’d be Christians…no?

In the loosest sense of the word, you could call Mormons Christians, but even many Mormons would object to that. It would be akin to calling a Druze Muslim.

Most Christian denominations, and those with any significant number of congregants, accept the Nicene Creed (in one of its historical or modern forms), but the Mormons would object to some of the assertions in the creed. You could apply the same distinctions between Christians and Jehovah’s Witnesses or Christians and Christian Science. At some point, the differences in fundamental beliefs separates them indefinitely.

Dave: Still waiting for that definition of “radical Christian”. Is that something Rosie(and you) made up (a straw man, I believe), or it it something that really exists and can be quantified?
We know that a “radical Muslim” is one who wants to, among other things, “kill all the infidels”. What do the “radical Christians”, if they exist, want to do? Is it equal to what the radical Muslims want to do, or more, or less? Until you quantify that, you have no argument, now does Rosie.

Dave: It should be obvious to you that Rosie is smearing all Christians by comparing us to violent, murdering Islamic terrorist scum. Don’t you get it?

Again, what’s the Christian body count?

Umm, Christians killing Americans? Timothy McVeigh (Catholic-ish) 168.

Waco, Texas (David Koresh claimed to be Jesus?): 9 in the attack, 76 when the complex burnt down.

And then there is the Christians killing anyone category. This contains gems like: witch burning, inquisitions, and the crusades. But more recently, the sanctions on, then the invasion of, Iraq (yes, dubbya is a fundi, he has ‘visions’), 250,000 under dubbya?

Skyscraper count:

Militant Islam: 2
Militant Christians: 0

I actually still pull out Optimus from the closet and play with him every once in a while.

Are we allowed to quote this out of context?

As long as you keep it to yourself and don’t spew your idiocy all over the rest of us, we can to.

aNON:

READ up on what? ..the Bible?

Try the New Testament.

All he wants to do it to protect children; do you object to that? It’s not really “regulating Cable TV” now, is it? You exaggerate to mislead.

Actually he is desiring the government to regulate Cable which is a paid subscription. Moreover it is not Ric Santorum’s concern or the government’s for that matter, what my grandchild is allowed to watch on TV, it is my daughter’s responsibility along with my son-in-law. And if one does not approve of what is on Cable then one does not have to subscribe to it.

I personally have a problem with DirecTv providing pornography to several hotel chains via their dish network, but I am not waging war via the government on Rupert Murdoch. I do not subscribe to DirecTv, I subscribe to a different cable company.

This is America and people can subscribe to whatever they choose.

There is nothing worst than a big government Republican who thinks it is his unalienated right to censor, tax and run the show according to what he thinks and his values.

Now I think this is completely ridiculous…under attack by who? I’m divorced and not proud of it at all. How about straight people working on staying married, and many Conservatives are as guilty as me in the divorce department. Divorce is an attack on marriage, not whether gays are polygeismt can do their thing.

They feel their freedom is under assault but what about the opposing side?

TW: The ATF invaded a private home in an armed assault. Their mistake was to assualt a registered gun dealer. Not only should they have known that, but there was no legal justification for the way they came in there in the first place. The Branch Davidians’ response was self-defense, pure and simple. Hadn’t heard about the friendly fire thing, but it doesn’t surprise me.

“I’ll bet that the folks who agree with Rosie share some similar viewpoints. They are probably in favor of abortion, are gay or lesbian, are in favor of gay marriage and gay adoption, are against the war on terror, hate President Bush, believe that 9/11 was an inside job, believe in global warming, are animal rights activists, believe the world is running out of oil and live on either the right or left coast.”
I scored 50% on this test, what does that make me?
(Hopefully not 50% Republican)

I am looking at your blog, you are my kind of Republican my friend.

And I’ll get hell for it.

I can live with that.

If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also”

We only have two cheeks.

FL:

They feel their freedom is under assault but what about the opposing side?

What would that be, in your opinion?

Dave:

The Isaac-Abraham story teaches us to follow “God’s” word unquestioningly. This is what the Muslims did on 9/11.

One small detail: Isaac didn’t get killed. It’s not an equivalence after all. Besides that, OBL told them to kill strangers, not their own families. No equivalence there, either. It wasn’t God, and it wasn’t their sons. Nice try, though.

Joe: What you said.

Koresh was a nut, but his crew didn’t kill anybody.

I think 4 members of the ATF were killed during the initial (left the warrant in the office) assault. Now three of those very well may have been killed by “friendly” fire.

Of course I’d hold Koresh and his inner circle 100% responsible if the authorities had knocked on the door and served the warrant. I don’t believe in no-knock raids.

Abraham was “mentally mixed up”? I think a few Jews might disagree with you there.

It doesn’t do any good to argue biblical context or understanding with a person who thinks the bible is nothing more than a tool to use against those who regard it.

FL:

This is America and people can subscribe to whatever they choose.

You’re wrong. In many cable markets, like mine, there is no choice. My town is surrounded by mountains, so there is no over-the-air signal available, so cable is the only way to go, and there is only one cable company. Even in large markets, the competition is limited by law or agreement with local govt.

There is nothing worst than a big government Republican who thinks it is his unalienated right to censor, tax and run the show according to what he thinks and his values.

Yes there is: A leftie who wants to turn my free country into another “Workers’ Paradise”, like Karl Marx preached. Using the economic system to implement social goals, etc. You exaggerate the “censorship” stuff. Give me Republican values any time over the values of the Party of European Socialism(the Dems).

Many gay people have internailzed homophobia or are just not happy with their sexuality. It becomes a difficult cross to bear and I think Rosie completely suffers from that. I mean she only came out about it after the National Inquirer threatened to out her more than once. She was so beside herself about it that she quit her show,

I also believe it’s the Catholic thing as well. She is coming from a personal place and again she did say “radical”, not just Christians. She’s a Christian, she’s was raised Catholic, once a Catholic, always a Catholic.

In fact our Bible is different than the King James Version.

FL:

Ric Santorum wants the government to start regulating Cable TV…

All he wants to do it to protect children; do you object to that? It’s not really “regulating Cable TV” now, is it? You exaggerate to mislead.

“Since when was people performing sexual acts for the gratification of an audience political speech?”

Hey I agree with you, I think porno is disgusting. When I found out that in the early days Rupert Murdoch financed Fox News with the revenue from the DirecTv profits from hotel leases I was horrified.

I wondered how my evangelical cousin, a huge contributor to the GOP, could watch Fox News and still be OK with it. But he was, because he felt that that was none of his business where the money came from.

I have never liked Howard Stern, I think he’s disgusting, and I can’t stand that Artie Lang guy. Years ago I wanted Howard censored, but as I got older and more aware of politics and civil liberties I changed my tune.

There are tons of people on my side of the aisle who would love to regulate the radio and censor Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh,
I’m sure.

We all have to option to switch the channel, not listen, not watch, not subscribe to the porno networks. You have to pay extra for those stations anyway.

Ric Santorum is not God.

Sorry – were not a christian of any sort

FL: One of the lies that present day lefties tell is to call anyone who is Republican or Conservative “right wing” or “far right”. This is completely untrue. The real right wing favors central control and govt control of the economic system, neither of which are supported by any Conservatives or Republicans. It is, however, characteristic of the political ideology of the lefties. You do the math.
The full name of the Nazi Party, in English, is the “National Socialist Party”. Once again, you do the math.

And yes, I include daytime TV in that rant. In the immortal words of Sideshow Bob,”Omni-directional sludge pump!”

Ric Santorum and Brent Bozell’s problem was with Nip/Tuck on FX a Fox network.

In fact Brent wrote a column on it and how disappointed he was with Mr. Murdoch for allowing this kind of programming. Mr. Murdoch and anyone in entertainment is worried about one thing only – ratings.

Thats a great show. However, FX been a basic cable channel, I’m shock the things it is able to get away with. They definatly enjoy been right on the edge of a big FCC fine. the FCC probably can’t wait to nail them, and probably has soe dedicated agents sitting to watch it every Tuesday nights on FX (the channel after Fox NEWS)

FL:

Your type is exactly what is stopping this country from coming together and it is sad.

My type? You mean someone who tells the truth and who believes in the founding principles of this country? You have no idea. Restricting porn on cable TV is simply in line with the good morality of our country. I agree that parents are responsible for their children, but they are not solely responsible. The cable companies are also responsible for what they put on the cable, and should be required to furnish some sort of limitations on what they put into our homes. Since they don’t, many citizens want the govt to step in. That isn’t my first choice, but it has been made necessary due to the lack of control of the purveyors. Remember “community standards”? You erroneously call it censorship, but it is just good taste and morality.
If you called me a Nazi, you would be wrong. Unless you think the Constitution is a right wing document or that it encourages fascism. I leave that to the lefties-they are the real fascists.

FL you were not called a Marxist. If that was the tag r108 wanted to lay on you he would not dance around it, he would state it plainly. As for censorship of cable TV, why is it so important to have pornography on cable? Exactly how is Santorum restricting 1st Amendmant rights by opposing porn on TV? Since when was people performing sexual acts for the gratification of an audience political speech?

Ok, but you called me a Marxist and you do not even know me. I did not call you any names.

You said –

“The real right wing favors central control and govt control of the economic system, neither of which are supported by any Conservatives or Republicans.”

This is exactly what I was referring to about Mr. Santorum. He is a memeber of the Right Wing and I think you just proved my original point. What I said was –

“I personally do not like the government getting into social issues, that to me is caving into “big Government”.

I never quite got the social Conservative Republicans, it almost seems like an oxymoron. The party stands for small government but then someone like Ric Santorum wants the government to start regulating Cable TV and it’s like…huh?”

I guess we are on the same page after all.

Regarding Hitler’s Nazi Party, he was a member of Bavarian German Workers’ Party which became the basis of the early Nazi Party. Hitler was strongly opposed to Marxism, he was more along the lines of a slavemaster with belief in a master race. He strongly professed a lower and middle class, (unlike Socialism), as it was instrumental to the Nazi Regime which was based on complete Nationalism. A Right Wing society always has true class distinction.

Hitler was Right Wing, you cannot rewrite history on that one.

Ric Santorum and Brent Bozell’s problem was with Nip/Tuck on FX a Fox network.

In fact Brent wrote a column on it and how disappointed he was with Mr. Murdoch for allowing this kind of programming. Mr. Murdoch and anyone in entertainment is worried about one thing only – ratings.

They also took issue with Family Guy, which I have never seen, but I think is also a Fox show.

Damn, I hate being in agreement with Rick”HolyJoe”Santorum but there it is, Nip/Tuck is some seriously sick assed shit.

you must be an old fart, lol

Nip/Tuck is pretty razy (undersatment?), but fun to watch.

Hitler was a member of the Bavarian German Workers’ Party, which at that time was very Far Right.

Also I forgot – the members of The World Church of The Creator. Also Warren Jeffs sounds a bit radical.

FL: After rereading your comments, I have come to the conclusion that you want to censor Rick Santorum. Whatever happened to his right to dissent?(cue Hillary shrieking)
What I see from your side of the aisle is that White, Christian, Conservative men have fewer free speech rights than anyone else. That’s not so American, is it?

FL: BTW, Rosie created a phony straw man; did you notice it? Define “Radical Christians”. She made that one up.

Damn, I hate being in agreement with Rick”HolyJoe”Santorum but there it is, Nip/Tuck is some seriously sick assed shit.

you must be an old fart, lol

Nip/Tuck is pretty razy (undersatment?), but fun to watch.

AV:

BTW, communism isn’t authoratarian, it’s utopian. When you say communism, you probably mean socialism. A common mistake. Read some Marx if you disagree. But then, he sounded like a nut with his whole “dictatorship of the proletariat” etc.

The promise of Marxism is utopia; the reality of Marxism is totalitarianism. Marxism is right wing monarchism dressed up in drab clothing, with the intellectual elitists as a politically-determined ruling class.

Communism is the most extreme form of socialism. Socialism is govt ownership of the means of production, wholly or in part; Communism is govt ownership of everything, including the people.

None of the various versions of socialism/communism permits private ownership of capital or sanctions private use of capital. The only way to be upwardly mobile is to acquire political power in some way, usually through violence and/or deceit.

I would define a Radical Christian as Fred Phelp or the late Dr. Paul Hill.

I thought Tipper Gore was an idiot back then and yes I was upset with what she was doing but at the same time I was upset with what Howard Stern was doing. I was very hypocritical back then. I was raising my daughter and not very political.

The Gores were crazy back then, they were also associating with Fred Phelphs for heavens sake. You can’t get any crazier than that.

AnarchistVegan writes:

As a vegan I don’t think we should unnecesarily kill/interfere-with animals, not even baby human ones.

I love the “unnecessarily,” it leaves you with the ultimate wiggle room.

“Well, it’s anecdotal, and probably represents the agenda of the filmmaker more than anything else.”

Actually it does not, the Pastor was very happy with the finished product. She considers it very fair and balanced and an asset for her work.

I had sent you the link to her interview.

Tenets not tenants-pardon the typo

FL: My question was: “What is the definition of a radical Christian?” Or more properly, since Rosie made an equivalence between “radical Christians” and radical Muslims, what distinguishes these radical Christians, or do they even exist as a group in any way similar to the radical Muslims? There are supposedly 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, and reportedly “only” 15% of them are “radical”. That gives a group of about 625 million radical Muslims, give or take. Is there any comparable group of radical Christians who fit Rosie’s definition of being “just as dangerous”?
It seems unlikely that her statement is true on any level, since there are no Christians I know of who fly hijacked airliners into buildings, strap bombs on children, or hide behind civilians during combat, but maybe I just haven’t heard about them. You mention one guy who shot an abortionist, but that’s it. No beheadings on video, either. No IEDs. The equivalent danger seems to be very doubtful.
I have no doubt that Rosie meant to smear all Christians by creating this bogeyman of “radical Christians”, and she should be called the liar she is.

“For me, the most important concept is Individual Independence, which is something the radical Muslims and the Radical Lefties seem to hate. I want reasonable rules and reasonable morality, and when I stay within reasonable boundaries, I want to be left alone to live my life and generate prosperity, the vast majority of which I get to keep for myself. I have a direct relationship with God, and don’t find organized religion necessary in my life at all. I was raised Lutheran, and generally regard Protestant Christianity to be decentralized and a “live and let live” affair. It is heavy on personal responsibility and light on central control.”

I completely agree with you, but I do not have a problem with organized religion unless there is too much prosletyzing. That I hate. As I mention my cousin is a Born Again Evangelical and he tries hard to convert everyone, especially Catholics. If people want to belong to a Church, no problem, that’s their business, religious belief and worship is private.

Visit Janet Parshall’s page, I am surprised you are not familiar with her. She is more on the religious side, but very credible in the Conservative circles. She has spoken at CPAC. I believe she has spoken at Claire Booth Luce as well.

I read both Conservative and Liberal Blogs, I am probably more like 15% Left of Center. I do not like Hillary, she is too Far Left for me. I do not really think Michael Moore is anything special. My problem with him is he “talks the talk but doesn’t really walk the walk”. Point in check – rather than put his daughter in public school he will put her in private school so she doesn’t have to go to school with minorities. Not very Liberal…

I have been attacked by several posters on this blog but choose to ignore it. I refuse to act like someone who posts on Democratic Underground or Free Republic, I will not get into the mud like that.

Friendly Liberal

I believe that we will see Christian Jihad in our day, probably in 10 – 15 years.

First of all, never mention indepednent films at a conservative blog.

Second, that’s absolutely ludicrous. The number of atheist/agnostics is rising dramatically in the United States every year… if a “Christian Jihad” gets established, the Reason/Science crowd will outnumber them.

Both parties are made up of mainly rich white men with significant vested interests. How’s that for equivalency?
Anarchist Vegan on September 14, 2006 at 7:49

Pretty F…ing stupid!!!!!

BTW, communism isn’t authoratarian, it’s utopian. Communism is communal (hence the name) ownership of everything,
Anarchist Vegan on September 14, 2006 at 7:49 PM

Try moving from “book” theory to real life!
From the classroom to the street.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Is this student student under a different moniker?

Blaming guns for Columbine is like blaming spoons for Rosie O’donell being fat.
She needs to refrain herself from speaking about anything political or anything that requires intelligence.
misty on September 14, 2006 at 8:17 PM

This is hilarious and right on the money. Thanks for comic relief Misty.

Also I forgot – the members of The World Church of The Creator. Also Warren Jeffs sounds a bit radical.
Friendly Liberal on September 14, 2006 at 10:33 PM

I am a doctor; I received my medical degree via a University of Somalia correspondence course, I don’t read medical journals, I have no patients, I don’t have an office, I never step foot into hospitals, I never where a white coat, I can’t remember the difference between tonsillitis and appendicitis, and I can’t remember how to adminsister CPR. But, yea, I “Am” a doctor.

Some people who claim to be Christian or Muslim do so in name only! Just because I call myself a Christian doesn’t mean I am a Christian.

Also Friendly Liberal, you made a distinction between the Bible and the Catechism as if they were mutually exclusive.
They’re not. The Catechism is filled with biblical passages and verses with supporting explanations of difficult concepts and advice and counsel about the bible’s efficacious application to one’s daily life.

Your characterization of the Catechism seems like an obvious, yet feeble attempt at veiled criticizism of the Catholic Church.

Perhaps you fondly think of yourself as a “recovering” ex-Catholic. Sure sounds like it!
I think you’re trying TOO hard to be clever;you’re er..over reaching..

Well, I left a comment earlier trying to explain what I believe is her rational – and I also mentioned what I thought was a “yet” for us. I believe that we will see Christian Jihad in our day, probably in 10 – 15 years. I suggest you see the film when it comes to your area and in the meantime watch the trailer. The film was shown at the Tribeca Film Festival in NY – I am sure Rosie probably saw it.

In my opinion this is child abuse in it’s puriest form, and I am a Christian, I am Catholic. Would I want my gandbaby in this environment? Absolutely not.

My comment from earlier again –

There is a fabulous documentary called Jesus Camp – go see it when it comes to a theater near you, it is traveling the country. The trailer is great – watch it –

http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/

I believe these little boys and girls are being taught to serve Jesus in almost a Christian like Jihad mentality. Using buzz words and phrases such as “this is war, are you a part of it or not” and those “who love Jesus and those who don’t” is a bit extreme for little children. I believe that in 10 – 15 years we are going to see a Christian Jihad that all of us, both Liberal and Conservative, have never imagined in all of our days. It is a “yet” for all of us, and I think we will be shocked.

I was raised Catholic during the 60s, as was Rosie, with nuns who were scary and they told us terrible things about people of other faiths, and as a child I really believed only Catholics went to heaven. I worried for my best friend who was Fundamentalist Brethen that she would never make it to heaven, children are very pliable.

I think Rosie was speaking from her own prosepctive (and her own hangup with) of her homosexuality and how many Christians believe homosexuality is an abomination, including The Pope. She may have went too far, but remember her girlfriend comes from a religious Southern Evangelical background. It is not uncommon for people raised in a Fundamentalist household as children to have nothing but disdain for the movement in adult life. I have many friends from childhood who feel this way.

I seriously doubt Rosie was referring to Lutherens, Presbytarians, Episcopalians. She was referring to those who are more in the genre of Fred Phelps. She is also from Long Island and they hardly know about Christian Fundamnetalists, Jews & Catholics and moderate Protestants.

Blame it on the fact that she is a loud New Yawker and a Long Island redneck type.
As a Liberal I think The View is way too unbalnced and way too safe. My View panel would be:

Laura Ingraham
Janet Parshall
Rachel Maddow
Rhandi Rhoades
and someone like Barbara thrown in there as an older moderator but a non opinion type.

Funny! I think Rosie misses the whole point on most issues! Does anyone remember what she said after the Coumbine shootings?? She blamed guncontrol!! Some wild redneck man said it best……
Blaming guns for Columbine is like blaming spoons for Rosie O’donell being fat.

She needs to refrain herself from speaking about anything political or anything that requires intelligence.

“Enemy of the State”; wavering from ideological purity! Liquidate him, Dave. Purge him, at the very least.

I know they are not – I was not referring to Socialists – I was referring to Nazis.

Why in the world would someone let the alone the applause she recieved from the crowd listen to HER radical ideas. Its ok to bash Christians, like what was said in the college news paper at WVU. But i cant call a black a nigger(which i dont) or not support the beliefs of the muslims in my town which i do. (they havent proposed jihad in Indiana yet that i am aware of.

Its the radical left side from California that is ALWAYS pushing the beliefs on us middle Americans.

I am proud that my children not only say the pledge each day but sing Lee Greenwood’s “I’m Proud to be an American”. Oh they have a 90 second quite time each morning for Prayer. I thank my lucky stars that the morals we teach at home are inforced in the publice schools we send our kids too.

“remember radical muslims attacked us before 9/11 many times and CLinton did nothing.” if you idealogicall radicals want to blame someone on the war blame your hero Bill.

once a Catholic, always a Catholic.
Friendly Liberal on September 15, 2006 at 12:28 PM

BULLSHIT

Marxism/Communism is a fraud. It has been tried and it’s been an horrible failure. In order to achieve the dream adherents of Communism murdered an hundred million of their own people.

Agreed.

Communism is govt ownership of everything, including the people.

No, that is incorrect. Communism is communal (hence the name) ownership of everything, there is no government. Your description is of state socialism.

If I am nitpicking, it is because I dislike incorrect generalisations like the left is un-American, the left are all pro-abortion etc. As a vegan I don’t think we should unnecesarily kill/interfere-with animals, not even baby human ones.

I was raised Catholic during the 60s, as was Rosie,
Friendly Liberal on September 15, 2006 at 1:05 AM

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I was raised Lutheran, and generally regard Protestant Christianity to be decentralized and a “live and let live” affair.
Friendly Liberal on September 15, 2006 at 11:28 AM

When you finally make up your mind sweetie pie, lets us know..K?

Where do you fall on the insect issue, Anarchist? Do you eat honey, for example?

Ken McCracken:

Every vegan I have ever known has had serious nutrional imbalances and health problems

Every Republican I have ever known has been a racist!!! Isn’t this fun? We can make broad, sweeping generalizations to demonize whatever group we please!

Umm, Christians killing Americans? Timothy McVeigh (Catholic-ish) 168.

Oh,..I wasn’t aware that Timothy McVeigh killed people for his religion. Thanks for that bit of alternate reality news.

Waco, Texas (David Koresh claimed to be Jesus?): 9 in the attack, 76 when the complex burnt down.

That was Janet Reno’s justice department that killed those people at Waco.

And then there is the Christians killing anyone category. This contains gems like: witch burning, inquisitions, and the crusades.

Oh,..I wasn’t aware that was today’s present reality. Thank you for the info.

But more recently, the sanctions on, then the invasion of, Iraq (yes, dubbya is a fundi, he has ‘visions’), 250,000 under dubbya?

Oh,..I wasn’t aware that “dubbya” was killing the made-up figure of 250,000 for Christianity. Again – thank you for the bit of alternate reality news.

r108 telling me above,

Anarchy literally means: “Rule of none.” In other words, no govt at all. Theocracy means: “Rule of God.” See the difference?

umm, rob that’s the same thing was telling the person who said radical American Christians like James Kennedy would want a theocracy, I told her it they aren’t actually very fond of anarchism and that what they really want is a theocracy. ..a government with a structure closer to that of Iran than say some places in Africa for example.

r108, I challange you to a match at Virtual Memory game show any time you want, lol

Ken McCracken:

Every vegan I have ever known has had serious nutrional imbalances and health problems as a result.

What’s even better than science and hard facts? Celebrity quotes of course. Instant cred

I try to stick to a vegan diet heavy on fruit, vegetables, tofu, and other soy products.–Clint Eastwood

I’ve been vegan for about 10 and a half years. It’s been all good. I’m obviously much healthier–Woody Harrelson

But my fav. isn’t a celeb, a doctor

The beef industry has contributed to more American deaths than all the wars of this century, all natural disasters, and all automobile accidents combined. If beef is your idea of ‘real food for real people,’ you’d better live real close to a real good hospital.–Neal D. Barnard, M.D., President, Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine

Also, do some research, a high-meat diet causes an increase in impotence.

And:

Teenage Research Unlimited showing 85 percent of girls thought vegetarianism was “in.”

So if you want your son to get laid and he’s a little ugly…

Vegans are a subset of vegetarians, also called strict vegetarians. We avoid all animal products, meat, dairy and even leather. Some also avoid wearing woollen clothes since the sheep are kept in captivity and forcibly shorn. I have a woollen jersey, so I may be a sellout, but wool is so warm (but itchy

The upside? Less cancer and heart-disease, get to preach blah, blah, blah.

Every racist I have ever know [sic] was a carnivore

I had a wee chuckle, then I remembered this one little known nutter, a guy called Adolph Hitler, he was semi-vegetarian (meaning he eats fish, like Jesus and Fat Mike, apparently that is the healthiest diet).

Where do you fall on the insect issue, Anarchist? Do you eat honey, for example?–Dave

Good point, insects are pretty cool, I don’t buy honey, but I do not go out of my way to avoid it. It would be hard to avoid the killing of insects, imported foodstuffs get treated to kill the critters. I accidentally rode over a worm the other day too, the poor bastard, but I didn’t stop and give it a funeral

I also believe it’s the Catholic thing as well. She is coming from a personal place and again she did say “radical”, not just Christians. She’s a Christian, she’s was raised Catholic, once a Catholic, always a Catholic.

First off, she’s homosexual, therefore that DOES NOT make her a “Christian”. God says that homosexuality is an ABOMINATION. To be a “Christian” is to be “Christ-like”, and Jesus definitely wasn’t gay OR for homosexuality.
Does she have resentment? Yes I believe that. She’s mad because homosexual people have no “rights”.
Is it so wrong to have morals? Have we forgotten the principles this Country was formed on? I’d say so. Marriage is to be between one MAN and one WOMAN.
We (America) don’t kill them, we let them practice what they want, they can adopt children (God help us), they can be ordained ministers, they can pretty much do anything! AND if they want to get married they can go to Vegas! Might as well committ a SIN, in “SIN City”!!
It’s a sign of the times, and when Jesus returns, there are going to be alot of people left behind, kicking themselves in the rear. Including Rosie.

Thank you Paige you’ve said everything I was thinking.And whether or not she knows any gay people I don’t know.But one of my friends are gay and while I don’t agree with his lifestyle,I am his friend.

A group of Christians I would describe as radical are those that thank and/or actually bomb abortion clinics.

clearly Muslum extremist are a greater threat to not only the U.S. but also to civilization in general.

However, I consider myself to be a Goldwater conservative to a large extent. Like him, I believe we should be careful of some other radical Christians that have a fair amount of political sway within the Republican party. e.g. James Kennedy

Ha ha looks like Rosie got the last laugh today.

FL: I know that’s what you were doing, but using either quotes around quoted statements or using the “b-quote” button before and after the statement makes it all very clear. Just a hint.

Well anonymously, it’s obvious you have no clue what the Christian Faith is all about. I fail to see where you have a point in your “retort”. There simply can’t be “gay” Christians. Like I said before, Christian means “Christ-like”. Was Jesus gay? No. Did Jesus approve of homosexuality? No. Does he love them anyway? Yes. That alone cannot save them. They must turn from their immorality and accept Jesus as their personal savior. When someone is saved, the old things “pass away and behold all things become new”.
Thank you wis_prettygirl. I also have a gay friend, and where I don’t approve of how he lives, he is still my friend nonetheless.

I guess you missed the point.

so let me try it again, ..

can any women or men having a close and sexual relationship outside of marriege be considered a Christian?

That I do know at least concerning the Catholic church. The fact that they are gay is not a sin. Practicing homosexuality is. However we all sin.

THANK YOU. I rest my case!

Friendly liberal is the worst kind of radical left-winger you could possibly imagine.
In her posts, she’s deceptively confiding, and convivial in an effort to lull people into a false sense of reasonable bipartisanship in order to accomplish her real intended goal; which is to promulgate her anti-catholic, catholic bashing, Republicans are right wing Nazis’, Muslims are no worse than we are, conservatives are homophobes, Rosie was justified, bullshit agenda.

It is a clever and well known tactic for an enemy to pretend to be your friend. (“Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.” -Sun Tzu in the Art of War).

It’s pretty clear that Not So friendly Liberal is awkwardly trying to utilize a doddering application of what she (perhaps) learned in freshman Psychology 101.

To add insult to injury, she delivers her left-wing vomit, in the typically arrogant condescending liberal way.

Let’s start at the beginning.

1) I was raised Catholic during the 60s, as was Rosie, with nuns who were scary and they told us terrible things about people of other faiths, and as a child I really believed only Catholics went to heaven. I worried for my best friend who was Fundamentalist Brethen that she would never make it to heaven, children are very pliable. I seriously doubt Rosie was referring to Lutherens, Presbytarians, Episcopalians. I believe these little [Christian/Catholic] boys and girls are being taught to serve Jesus in almost a Christian like Jihad
mentality

This is one of “Friendly’s” attempts to portray Catholics(Christians) as evil people saying Scary and terrible things to babies , brainwashing youngsters and causing small innocent children to believe hateful things about “other faiths.”

It’s a hidden effort to get people to draw a parallel between Christianity and Radical Islam.

Isn’t what she’s accusing the Catholics of teaching to little kids the very same thing that the Muslims teach their children in their hateful madrassas; the Muslim schools that spawn Jihad murderers?

She then offers a link to the “Jesus Camp” video to further support her diseased and distasteful contention that Christians are as bad, if not worse, than Muslims.

BTW: If you do a nexus/Google search, the “Jesus Camp” story is the only one that comes up as an example of radical Christianity being taught to kids.

So, first off, she thinks she has “set the stage” to have people believe that Catholics (who are apparently totally to be blamed for everything) are equal to or less than Muslims.

Also, this is overly coincidental since her posts come on the very day that the Pope is being excoriated in the press (by people like Not So Friendly) for having provided a “factual” quote about Muslim holy war (Jihad).

2) Many Christians believe homosexuality is an abomination, including The Pope. Rosie may have went too far, but remember her girlfriend comes from a religious Southern Evangelical background. Many gay people have internailzed homophobia or are just not happy with their sexuality. I also believe it’s the Catholic thing as well

Here, Not So Friendly is saying that since the Pope and evil nuns (and perhaps Southern Evangelicals) are so needlessly mean to homosexuals that “maybe” Rosie, who is otherwise justified in her statement, might have just defensively overreacted a bit.
See, Rosie’s over reaction (understandably) can be justified because she was so misunderstood and mistreated as a kid who, in trying heroically to come to grips with her own sexuality (ah shucks that’s so sweet), was abused by bad, bad, bad, mean homophobic Catholics.

3)It depends on what religion you are. I was raised Cathoilc, born in the ’50s, and we never read the Bible. We read Cathecism in Catholic School, not the Bile.
In fact our Bible is different than the King James Version.
My cousin is a Born Again Evangelical and he tries hard to convert everyone, especially Catholics.
In the Catholic faith it is a sin not to be Catholic, all of your Protestants are going to Hell in a handbasket. You will all be left behind.

This is pure unadulterated nonsense from a poser…a pretender who continues to brazenly display her complete arrogant ignorance.

It is painfully clear that this anti-catholic bozo knows nothing about Catholicism, the catechism or the Bible.

To “NOT” know anything about the Catechism or the Bible means she “DIDN”T” read either of them.

She should have at least read something about Catholicism or the catechism or the Bible before making such an ass of herself on this blog!

Heck, even the worst of catholic bashers have at least read something.

Trying to get others to believe this biased crap reveals a self-aggrandizing opportunism; and an arrogantly condescending one at that.

This lady is definitely “NOT” a Catholic! Read any anti-Catholic literature and you’ll find these same assertions repeated over and over again ad nasuem.

Another reader of the thread asserts:

Friendly, you have it backward. I am a Catholic and our faith does not teach that it is a sin not to be Catholic that all Protestants are going to hell and will be left behind.
Joan on September 15, 2006 at 3:35 PM

To that, Not So Friendly answered:

Amazing, because it is a strong point of our religion.
Years ago when I was growing up it was very out in the open, now it is not so blatant but a strong element in Catholicism

TOTAL BULLSHIT you conniving con artist.

4) Divorce is an attack on marriage, not whether gays are polygeismt can do their thing.
Interesting. Being raised Catholic I really want to take a Study of The Bible course, as Catholics we never learn about it at all.

Again, more anti-Catholic bullshit couched in a seemingly innocent (but pretended) desire to “study” the bible.

This is a sickening display of deceitfulness being used to further an anti-catholic, anti-conservative agenda.

When Robert108 refuted one of her more asinine pronouncements, “Not So Friendly Liberal” resorted to the very familiar and basic fundamental liberal response of claiming she was attacked.

Apparently, any disagreement with her silly contentions is tantamount to an assault.

How convenient!

To R108:

5) Well, here comes the nastiness. I have been attacked by several posters on this blog but choose to ignore it.
Your type is exactly what is stopping this country from coming together and it is sad. [Queue up the violin music please] Just because you are a Right Winger does that make you like Hitler? I was referring to Nazis.
Hitler was a member of the Bavarian German Workers’ Party, which at that time was very Far Right. The Nazi Party needed a lower and middle class to establish itself.
Hitler strongly professed a lower and middle class, (unlike Socialism), as it was instrumental to the Nazi Regime which was based on complete Nationalism. A Right Wing society [like you guys on this blog] always has true class distinction.
Hitler was Right Wing, you cannot rewrite history on that one
There are tons of people on my side of the aisle who would love to regulate the radio and censor Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh,

Then again, maybe I’m completely wrong. Maybe Not So Friendly Liberal is just a wonderfully compassionate, loving individual that only wants to “bring us all together.”

I WOULD probably describe radical Christians as those Christians wanting to legislate the entire Bible and make it hte premier law of the land here in the United States(extremist like abortion clinics bombers would be a sub-group). I would describe radical Muslims as those wishing to do the same with the Quran (extremist like al’qaeda would be a sub-group).

I think radical Muslim are clearly more threatning to civilization and democracy. (look were Democracy has taken roots (mainly the Western word) vs. where theologianism has taken roots (Saudi Arabia, Iran, post invasion Iraq,…mainly in the ME) for a good hint at that.

That been said, I really don’t like radical Christians.

A key difference between radical Christians and radical Muslims is that radical Muslims have greater political power where they reside than radical Christians do where they reside.

I pray to God it always stays that way.

Radical Christians: Lets legislate the entire Bible and make it the supreme law of the land.

Radical Muslim: Lets legislate the entire Quran and make it the supreme law of the land.

me and Goldwater conservatives: Hell no we aint!!

Rodney requests,

Care to name a single exemplar of those:

Those wishing to give the Bible veto power over our laws?

-the politically influential and popular televangalist James Kennedy. He’s the founder of Coral Ridge, which air a Sunday morning show on ABC,NBC affiliated channels, among other TV and radio broadcasting programs.His organization payes ABC and NBC to air his shwo I believe, so it must be very large and have lots of mojo too.

Here is the TV listing of his Coral Ridge Hour for for California and even North Dakata

Here is what rob had to say about him

Here is what the Anti-Defamation League have to say about him:

Abraham H. Foxman, Anti-Defemation League National Director comment about D. James Kennedy “Darwin’s Deadly Legay” documentary:
“This is an outrageous and shoddy attempt by D. James Kennedy to trivialize the horrors of the Holocaust. Hitler did not need Darwin to devise his heinous plan to exterminate the Jewish people. Trivializing the Holocaust comes from either ignorance at best or, at worst, a mendacious attempt to score political points in the culture war on the backs of six million Jewish victims and others who died at the hands of the Nazis.

It must be remembered that D. James Kennedy is a leader among the distinct group of ‘Christian Supremacists’ who seek to “reclaim America for Christ” and turn the U.S. into a Christian nation guided by their strange notions of biblical law.”

Here is what he himself has to say:

The Christian community has a golden opportunity to train an army of dedicated teachers who can invade the public school classrooms and use them to influence the nation for Christ.”[5]
“Our job is to reclaim America for Christ, whatever the cost. As the vice regents of God, we are to exercise godly dominion and influence over our neighborhoods, our schools, our government, our literature and arts, our sports arenas, our entertainment media, our news media, our scientific endeavors — in short, over every aspect and institution of human society.”[6]
“How much more forcefully can I say it? The time has come, and it is long overdue, when Christians and conservatives and all men and women who believe in the birthright of freedom must rise up and reclaim America for Jesus Christ.” [7]
“the intimate coupling of two men or two women is not marriage. It is a pale and misshapen counterfeit that will only serve to empty marriage of its meaning and destroy the institution that is the keystone in the arch of civilization … Marriage is the sine qua non for healthy children and a stable society. It is ‘fundamental to the very existence and survival of the race’…”[4]

His shows it widely brocasted (~90 percent of the United States is able to watch his show, I believe, and as well as MANY countries abroad. ..even translated into other languages)

In case you don’t live in California nor North Dakota do a Yahoo TV local listing search and the overwhelming chance is that you will be able to both watch and listen to his weekly sermons.

…no need to thank me Rodney.

Yes. Sinning is considered part of being human. Only Marxists and radical Islamists demand perfection or death. Christianity practices forgiveness and redemption. You should read up on it sometime.

THAN certain man and women who religiously attend Church and read the Bible but who also happen to be gay can be considered Christians?

That I do know at least concerning the Catholic church. The fact that they are gay is not a sin. Practicing homosexuality is. However we all sin.

So if “practicing” sex is a sin worthy of what ever lame ban you are promoting…then all who sin should be subjected to the similar bans.

However we all sin…

Man, you got yourself some wicked problems there.

I think I saw some queers today undermining marriage at Denny’s.

Amazing, because it is a strong point of our religion.

Years ago when I was growing up it was very out in the open, now it is not so blatant but a strong element in Catholicism.

We are the true followers of Christ, Protestantism and Protestants are our spiritual descendants, primarily due to various problems with the Pope and the Protestant Reformation.

No matter how far I ever stray from the Catholic Church I could not or would not change my religion. Catholicism is somewhat like Judeism, it is in you, with you, a part of you for your life. When I was married my ex’s uncle was a Canon Lawyer for the Pope and came from Rome to marry us. When we divorced his uncle got us a dispensation, based on our Mother’s coaxing and wishes. My mother is extremely religious, she is in her church’s Adoration Society, says Novenas etc.

I am Irish Catholic, as is Rosie. There is no way that allot of what she says come from her indifference with The Church’s feelings on homosexuality. In large cities it is not uncommon to see branches Of Dignity for homosexuals, and they are usually held in the Episcopalian Church, as the Catholics normally want no part of it or them.

In the Catholic faith it is a sin not to be Catholic, all of your Protestants are going to Hell in a handbasket. You will all be left behind.

It depends on what you really want to subscribe to.

Homosexuals have the same rights as you, they just cannot marry.

I believe God and Jesus to be all knowing and all loving, I believe we are all God’s children, including even you with your lack of tolerance.

I’d be just as worried if we elected a fundamentalist Christian as if we elected a fundamentalist Muslim as our President.
Dave on September 12, 2006 at 2:53 PM

Can you point to any examples of Muslim politicians in democratic societies who use violence for political ends? Really? Can you list the democratically elected Muslim politicians who have done that before?
Dave on September 12, 2006 at 2:53 PM

Yussef al Qaradāwi-Egypt- justify the killing of civilians

Dr Ameer Ali,-Austrailia- threatening that any criticism of their Islamic culture could lead to another race riot.

Iktimal Hage-Ali,-Austrailia- trying to gag Prime Minister John Howard

France- fatal Islamic violence over Danish cartoons of Mohammed

England- fatal Islamic violence over Danish cartoons of Mohammed

Pakistan-out to kill Musharaff

Lebanon-supporting Hezbollah

Turkey- violent protest against Christians

Bangladesh:

Preserving democracy in a Muslim nation is no easy task. After separating from Pakistan in 1971, Bangladesh created a constitution embracing secularism and democracy.
A 1982 military coup suspended the constitution, and Islam was eventually named the state religion.
Muslims instigated violence against politicians with a secular platform, thus contributing to the government’s inability to maintain secular principles.

rbb:

I think I saw some queers today undermining marriage at Denny’s.

How could you tell?

yeah, really, how could you tell? They look no different than Christians to me….

She’d likely lose her life due to her alternative lifestyle.

Really? Can you list the democratically elected Muslim politicians who have done that before?

For another opinion on Rosie try this http://briancnoell.blogspot.com/

Dave: The “insect issue”? You just get sillier and sillier on your extreme diet. Try some real food.

THANK YOU. I rest my case!

You had a case? Ghonorrea, Wild Turkey? What?

Wild Turkey?

I’m a SoCo man myself.

Paige – do you personally know any Gay people?

can any women or men having a close and sexual relationship outside of marriege be considered a Christian?

Yes. Sinning is considered part of being human. Only Marxists and radical Islamists demand perfection or death. Christianity practices forgiveness and redemption. You should read up on it sometime.

Well you don’t avoid all animal products.

You eat millions of animals every time take a bite out of anything, you can’t avoid it.

Every vegan I have ever known has had serious nutrional imbalances and health problems as a result.

Humans are not built to be vegans.

..HERE’S more absurd things done by radica Islamic regimes

whare it dark as a dunjun damp as the dew

Do all of you live in North Dakota?

Vegan – are you also a vegetarian?

I’m confused, I thought Vegan meant no dairy, does it also mean vegetarianism?

I am speaking for myself. Fred Phelps is extrmemely radical, so radical it was neccessary to pass a law to keep he and his family/followers from protesting soldiers funerals.

Dr. Hill is a Matyr because he shot and killed an abortionist in Pensecola.

Warren Jeffs is an alleged pedophile under the guise of religion – the FDLS.

And The World Church of The Creator advocates “creativity”, they are a Christian Indentity group.

Rosie probably knows about Phelps and Jeffs, because of recent news coverage, the others – I doubt it very much.

I guess the more critical question is – these people are radical, but are they really Christians? I call them Christains because this is how they identify themselves.

Dave (aka Captain Equivalency), I am shocked that you’d feel that way.

You betcha.

Umm, Christians killing Americans? Timothy McVeigh (Catholic-ish) 168.

Oh come off it, McVeigh was no religious fanatic. He was a nut job, but it wasn’t religion turning his crank.

Waco, Texas (David Koresh claimed to be Jesus?): 9 in the attack, 76 when the complex burnt down.

Koresh was a nut, but his crew didn’t kill anybody. They were killed, on orders from Janet Reno I believe.

This contains gems like: witch burning, inquisitions, and the crusades.

All happened centuries ago. Christianity has modernized. Islam is still living in the past.

the sanctions on, then the invasion of, Iraq (yes, dubbya is a fundi, he has ‘visions’), 250,000 under dubbya?

The sanctions on Iraq were issued by the UN, and 250,000 Iraqi deaths under George W. Bush?

You’re dreaming. That would probably be the tally were Saddam still in power. A closer count would be 40,000, and a lot of those are terrorists.

And the war in Iraq, for America, has nothing to do with religion. That’s about addressing root causes in the war on terror.

I don’t think she’s comparing American Christian Conservatives with Middle-Eastern Muslim terrorists. She’s just saying that both Christian fundamentalism and Islamic fundamentalism equally threaten the western democratic way of life.

At least that’s how I’ve interpreted it. Would you agree with that premise?

Well, looking at the current state of affairs, I’d say that Islamic fundamentalism is much more threatening.

After all, what’s the Christian fundamentalist body count for the last decade?

Christianity is the belief that Christ was the son of God and the Messiah, correct?

Which would differentiate Christianity from Islam and Judaism, I believe. But Mormons believe in Christ as the Messiah, and therefore they’d be Christians…no?

Not that I really care all that much…

Anyway, Dave, I was thinking more about your comments…and think of it like this:

Rosie is talking about Christians here in the U.S. who want more religion in government. Prayer in schools, ten commandments in courthouses, no gay marriage, etc. She seems to be saying that because both Islamic terrorists and ardent Christians here in America are each…zealous (if that’s the correct term) in their respective beliefs that they’re equally as dangerous.

What if Rosie had, instead of singling out Christians, had said that Animal Liberation people were as dangerous to America as Islamic terrorists? Certainly, given that McDonalds sells a gazillion hamburgers a day, Animal liberation is not a mainstream school of thought…and there are plenty in the movement who would like to see slaughterhouses and the like banned by the government.

Would it have been fair if Rosie had made her comparison to your group? I don’t think so.

As nasty as some animal rights people are, I don’t think they pose the threat Islamic terrorists do. Nor do I think Christians here in America – even the most radical of them – pose the threat Islamic terrorists do.

It’s dangerous to suggest otherwise, because it demeans the threat Islamic fascism actually poses to us as a country.

I just posted the video of Rosie’s comments.

It’s even worse where you hear it live.

I love the part when she says that Iraq never threatened America. Seems to me that Saddam was always talking about the “Great Satan” of the west in his speeches.