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Tuesday, November 06, 2007


Ron Paul Voters

I was reading Captains Quarter’s this morning and saw a post where Ron Paul rose four million in a single day.  Ed Morrisey pointed out that this hardly will make him a top tier candidate because he’s pretty far out there in a lot of things that he says.  But the conclusion caught my eye:

What does this tell us? The libertarian impulse may have stronger legs than anyone recognizes. It certainly seems more individually vibrant than the “values voters” segment of the Republican Party, which hasn’t even produced a candidate in this election, let alone this kind of impromptu grassroots effort. It could also complicate the primaries if Paul manages to turn this fundraising into actual poll strength.

Beyond Paul and his flaws, the Republicans had better start paying attention to these voters. Like it or not, they represent a passion that seems to have left the GOP in recent months, and even if they skew young and may not vote as promised this cycle, they will eventually. Rather than continue to write them off, Republicans have to find a way to address them outside of conspiracy theories and allusions to blowing up buildings.

I think many of us wish that Paul wasn’t a kook.  I don’t want to see a Hillary or Obama in the White House, but I don’t have all that much enthusiasm for the Republican candidates.

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Is someone upset that the “keep dudes from kissing and bomb the arabs” republicans aren’t able to keep up with Ron Paul’s growing popularity? Why the ad homenim? Kook? Hardly. His message is of freedom, of what this country was founded on. His message is resonating with more people every day, and these numbers prove it.

thedude on November 6, 2007 at 07:58 am
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I don’t want to see a Hillary or Obama in the White House, but I don’t have all that much enthusiasm for the Republican candidates.

Even Fred!?!

spacemonkey on November 6, 2007 at 07:58 am
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Kook? Hardly.

He’s not a kook!  Just ask him about the federal reserve or the North American Union!  He’s sane as can be!

All joking aside, though, if Ron Paul had a free-trade/national security mindset instead of being a proponent of economic and social isolationism (he often reminds me of a modern Charles Lindberg) I’d vote for him.

Ron Paul just isn’t the guy to carry the libertarian wing of the GOP forward.  It’s nice that someone is talking about some of the radical changes our domestic policies need, but with Paul it’s often hard to pick that stuff out from in between his red-faced, spittle-flecked tirades about the NAU or conspiracies involving the Jewish lobby.


The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Rob on November 6, 2007 at 08:21 am
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I’m curious…if you consider Ron Paul to be a “kook,” do you also consider our founding fathers to be “kooks”? If so, then why are you here? Ron Paul stands for the exact things that our founding fathers did. The things that promoted personal liberty, the greatest wealth, the friendliest relationships with foreign countries. I challenge you to compare Ron Paul’s platforms over the past 30 years with the platforms that inspired our national Constitution two centuries ago. Then decide who the kooks are.

I can assure you it’s not Ron Paul.

Tamara on November 6, 2007 at 08:21 am

Why the ad homenim? Kook? Hardly.

9/11 was an inside job.  That’s kook territory there.

Even Fred!?!

He’s certainly my favorite but I’m not totally nuts about the guy.  Maybe he’ll grow on me some more.


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10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.


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The Whistler on November 6, 2007 at 08:22 am

Ron Paul stands for the exact things that our founding fathers did.

George Washington thought the Boston Massacre was an inside job?


1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.


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The Whistler on November 6, 2007 at 08:29 am
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If Paul would see Al Quaida for the Barbary Pirates they are, I’d be a lot more likely to vote for him.  He’s got some weird followers, but personally, I think the same about country club republicans and most all liberals. 

You know that guilt by association is a fallacy, right, just like accusing a rather mild-mannered candidate of a “red-faced, spittle-flecked tirade.”  Sorry, Rob; that’s perhaps some of his followers, but not Dr. Paul.

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You know that guilt by association is a fallacy, right, just like accusing a rather mild-mannered candidate of a “red-faced, spittle-flecked tirade.” Sorry, Rob; that’s perhaps some of his followers, but not Dr. Paul.

Have you seen him talk in person?  Because I have.


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Rob on November 6, 2007 at 10:04 am
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1. Please find me an example of Ron Paul saying that 9/11 was an inside job. You can’t. He didn’t.

2. Ron Paul introduced the Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001. Instead of going to war with a state, it targets specific terrorists. Terrorists, like pirates are a much different threat than a standing army. Traditional military force doesn’t work.

once again, the far right has nothing but ad homenim.

thedud on November 6, 2007 at 10:11 am
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3. His position is not isolationism, it’s nonintervention. Trade, not bomb. Don’t meddle in the internal affairs of foreign countries. It’s that simple.

thedud on November 6, 2007 at 10:12 am

It would be better to have a kook in the White House than another criminal.

Osama stated that he did not cause 9/11. Why would he say this rather than claim a great victory? If he didn’t do it, who did?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osama_dead.html

Have the brains to wonder why.

The Federal Reserve Bank is not a department of the Federal government but, even though they are privately owned, they are exempt from state taxation.

http://www.fdrs.org/federal_reserve_bank.html

Have the brains to wonder whats going on.

ews48 on November 6, 2007 at 10:12 am

The Federal Reserve Bank is not a department of the Federal government but, even though they are privately owned, they are exempt from state taxation.

Ownership implies 1) Control and B)a Share of the profits.

1)  Control of the Federal Reserve comes from Presidential appointments with Congressional Approval.

B)  Profits of the Federal Reserve are paid to the US Treasury.

Sorry to interject some reality here.


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The Whistler on November 6, 2007 at 10:18 am

1. Please find me an example of Ron Paul saying that 9/11 was an inside job. You can’t. He didn’t.

Sorry my deepest apologies.  He only implied it with his “cover up” spiel.”

Well, I never automatically trust anything the government does when they do an investigation because too often I think there’s an area that the government covered up, whether it’s the Kennedy assassination or whatever.


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5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.


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The Whistler on November 6, 2007 at 10:43 am

It would be better to have a kook in the White House than another criminal.

Well, we survived Clinton(Bill) who was both, so that’s not a worry.  The real question is whether we could survive Stalin(Hillary).


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on November 6, 2007 at 10:45 am

Ron Paul=Ross Perot.  It’s that simple.  Hillary needs another Ross Perot to split the Republican vote so she can get elected without majority support, just like her husband did.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on November 6, 2007 at 10:47 am
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The most hilarious thing about the Federal Reserve is the Federal Open Market Committee.

If it’s an open market, why do you need a committee?

From the Fed: “Policy regarding open market operations is established by the FOMC.”

Gotta love when the English language is prostituted in such a way.

FreeRepublicans.com on November 6, 2007 at 10:57 am

Duh because they buy and sell government securities on the open market.

That’s primarily the way they control the supply of money which is a very important thing to do.


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5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.


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The Whistler on November 6, 2007 at 11:04 am
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I’d vote f him in a second. If he wasn’t a nut.

Pastafaran on November 6, 2007 at 12:09 pm

thedude - Is someone upset that the “keep dudes from kissing and bomb the arabs” republicans aren’t able to keep up with Ron Paul’s growing popularity? Why the ad homenim?

You ask “why the ad homenim” RIGHT after you gave us some.

How does that work? Rules for thee, but not for me?

Here’s where you stutter and mumble something about the “far right”.

likwidshoe on November 6, 2007 at 12:13 pm

I have followed the kookery of Herr Doktor since the ‘70s. And so far not a single one of you paulettes has presented a single instance of a single thing Herr Doktor has EVER DONE to stop any of the things he and you incessantly screeched&wailed about. NOT ONE EVER!!!

Show me one single thing Ron Paul has ever done.


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2Hotel9 on November 6, 2007 at 02:14 pm
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Well, 2H9, he’s voted against an awful lot of bills that would take our liberty, sometimes on the winning side, sometimes not.  Does that count as nothing in your mind?

I agree that Paul doesn’t have a lot of bills he sponsored becoming law.  That said, no set of brake pads ever got a Lamborghini to 200mph, either, but I don’t know that I’d drive such a car if it didn’t have them.

I’m not going to vote for him in the primaries, but if by some weird chance he wins the nomination, he certainly beats the alternatives.  A reliable veto in the White House would be a nice change, don’t you think?

Bike Bubba on November 6, 2007 at 02:18 pm
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I’ve listened to a couple of debates and thus far I’m not impressed with Ron Paul’s nasal rants with a twist of whinnyism, it’s worse than Hillary’s cackle.

As for Paul’s national security platform he appears to have forgotten the first WTC bombing like he forgot 9/11/2001 which indicates to me he wants America to be attacked a third time.

What I know is that for decades we gave peace a chance and ended up with 3000 American citizens dead within an hour, a trillion dollar economic crash and a bunch a retro-active Leftist who would rather support sexual apartheid around the world than to see George W Bush a winner.

That said, as a NYer one of the things I like about Rudy is that he denied the piggies their porker money to fund Brooklyn Museum’s ‘Christ Piss’ and for that he was deemed a Nazi Hilter before Bush was President.

Ron Paul makes the nutters happy, Rudy drives them batty.

syn on November 6, 2007 at 02:26 pm

BB, we have had this discussion. I want the paulettes to supply a single instance of Herr Doktor DOING anything to stop or remedy any of the crap he and they screech&wail about.

You are not a paulette, or so you have stated.


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2Hotel9 on November 6, 2007 at 02:42 pm
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Yes, and in my book, voting “no” or vetoing a bill does happen to be a concrete action to slow the growth of the federal government.  To pretend it’s “nothing” simply degrades the discussion.

Debate, yes.  Hardball, yes.  Beanball, no.

Bike Bubba on November 6, 2007 at 02:46 pm

For 28 years he has done nothing. Period. Full stop.

Oh. That ain’t exactly true! He has sucked up vast amounts of tax dollars while lying his ass off. You are correct, he has done something.


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2Hotel9 on November 6, 2007 at 02:54 pm

And why did he fold in front of a Board of Inquiry and surrender his license to practice medicine in the State of Texas?


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2Hotel9 on November 6, 2007 at 02:56 pm
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syn: Rudy makes himself out to be some kind of hero, like if he had carried anybody on his shoulders to safety while hell was braking loose. He claimed to have spent an enormous amount of time at the disaster zone, but never dug up one dead body from underneath all the rubble. But If I’m not mistaken he did apologies to the real hero’s for his stupid comments.

And so Rudy fights the mob, and they placed a hit on him for taking away there 4th of July fireworks, or was there another reason? Anyway Rudy is no President, He’s a better Mayor, one in which NYC hasn’t seen for quite a while.

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Give me a man who isn’t part of the Council on Foreign Relations, or any other conspiracy group of it’s sort, he must be Far Right with traditional Conservative Republican views and also he must be a Christian. Then he’s got my vote, and it is RON PAUL.

4 million dollars in one day for little old Ron Paul, how many of you would think such a thing? Who are all these people?

WETBACK on November 6, 2007 at 04:07 pm

Yes, where did that money come from?


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2Hotel9 on November 6, 2007 at 04:26 pm
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Who are all these people?

My question exactly! How many are conservatives and how many are Truthers and Hillary supporters?


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Aren’t you guys making up your own conspiracy theory here? Ron Paul is a pawn to make Hilary President, that’s quite funny because if you visit any conspiracy theory sites they usually say that Hilary will be the next puppet President.

What’s even funnier though is here Ron Paul is calling most of the Republicans today in office a bunch of liberals, he said that they have giving in to the democrats and now a bunch of you are saying he is working for them. smile

What ever, I will say this. I am socked to death to see this kind of support, after hearing Ron Paul who I agree with almost 100% say the things he has and gain that many supporters it bewilders me.

I mean you figure with all the time, money and effort to brain wash American’s from elementary school to collage that there would be only a couple of thousand people who would be revolutionists.

Revolutionists that will once again make this country great, one way or the other.

WETBACK on November 6, 2007 at 05:49 pm

And yet, you can not supply even one instance throughout his career in Congress where he has done ANYTHING to fix any of the egregious problems you and he continuously screech about.  Not. One.


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Aren’t you guys making up your own conspiracy theory here?

Once…when my tinfoil hat slipped…they were able to beam thoughts…right into my head! I sent Ron Paul $20.00! (Fortunately, it was Monopoly money! - I’m not crazy!)


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And yet, you can not supply even one instance throughout his career in Congress where he has done ANYTHING to fix any of the egregious problems you and he continuously screech about.  Not. One.

You’re being ignorant. Ron Paul is a congressman, not a king. Congress requires more than one vote to make change, positive or negative. One congressman can hardly put an end to the federal reserve, keep a country from going to war, stop an egregious broadening of the scope of federal government. All he can do is speak out, vote as the constitution dictates, and hope that sooner or later others begin to see his point of view.

That’s what he has done. He has made courageous effort to speak out when other people were tossing money at every problem, waging war on the American family’s ability to be financially independent, and increasing the size and cost of the government. Because of that, he has had a very loyal following among old-school Republicans (read: not neo-conservatives, who are nothing more than liberals with perhaps a pro-life bent) for many years, and now that his name is out there much more, his base has grown substantially. Many people didn’t even know he existed, and now that they know, their hope is restored.

It’s completely ignorant to say he hasn’t done anything about the things that he speaks out against. He’s done everything he can in the position he is in.  As president, he will be in a better position to bring about the change many of us are hoping for, but even still he will be limited by the powers granted to the office of the President.

Who are all these people?

You have to understand that over the last 20 years or so, many, many people have given up on the political process. They were staunch conservatives/Republicans who continued to be disappointed in what their leaders and representatives have done. Many of them had all but given up on seeing an actual conservative show up again in the political foray. Consequently, many of Ron Paul’s supporters are a)people who have not voted in a couple of decades, b)people who have never voted because they didn’t see the point, and c)people who have never voted before because they were too young. Many of us are people who have stayed in the political process despite the continued disappointment and the constant trampling that conservative ideals have taken.

I’m a fairly typical Ron Paul supporter. Early 30s, married with children, middle class, conservative. I am the daughter and granddaughter of veterans.My father was a Reagan supporter and is a Ron Paul supporter as well. Once I told him Ron was in the race, he was all over it. He’s 70 years old and spends countless hours talking Ron up, attending Meet-up groups, waving signs, and promoting Ron via the internet. He is also one of the people who donated on November 5th. Both of us are pretty typical. People like us is where the money is coming from.

Tamara on November 7, 2007 at 08:07 am

Tamara: The real question about RP is: Where and when has he shown any leadership qualities?  After all, if he wants to be the President of the United States(in other words, the leader of the free world), he must demonstrate his leadership, not just spew a little hot air from time to time, while he follows the herd.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on November 7, 2007 at 08:12 am

You have not provided a single instance of Herr Doktor doing ANYTHING, ever, period. As r points out, zero leadership qualities.


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2Hotel9 on November 7, 2007 at 12:22 pm
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DAWN OF THE AMERICAN REFORMATION, AND END OF THE ERA OF THE UGLY AMERICAN
This Ron Paul constitutional rebellion is an escalation and re-orientation of the American Cultural War, by the American People, against the rising governmental tyranny by Neoconservative Republicans and Leftist Democrats. It is sweeping across America like a wildfire - ignited by the illegal and unnecessary invasion of Iraq.
It raises many crucial questions; such as, where does the American Constitution give my government the right to sacrifice precious American wealth and blood, in interests of domestic and foreign lobbies?
And, where does the American Constitution give my government the right to allow my nation to be invaded and permanently occupied by illegal aliens?
And, where does the American Constitution give my government the right to support the sacrificial killing of children, by their own mothers?
And, where does the American Constitution give my government the right to discriminate against traditional religious practices in public schools, universities, marriage institutions, armed forces, and governmental offices?
This creeping governmental tyranny, driven by perverse special interests, has now been going on for so many decades, like the illegal invasion, that the impending American Reformation is regarded with fear and loathing, by those who are to lose their illicit gains.
Like Gandhi, Ron Paul is drawing his intrepid volunteers from the full spectrum of humanity; and World is cheering him on to victory.

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Hey, Spambat! Posting the same nonsense over and over on different threads doesn’t make it any more relevant or true. Your cut and paste approach to dialog indicates you don’t have enough mental dynamite to blow your own nose!

Comparing Ron Paul to Gandhi is ludicrous! Repeat after me: ” Neocon, Neocon, Neocon, blah, blah, blah, Ron Paul!” (makes more sense than what you posted! !)


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Proof on November 12, 2007 at 08:32 pm

The Paulettes are pulling out all the overseas spambot connections their creditcard scam money can buy. Rather telling, the Isolationist, Nationalization of industry candidate has to hire foreign nationals to fight his battle for him. Too fucking funny.


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2Hotel9 on November 13, 2007 at 07:13 am
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FOR YOU ,PLEASE!

To all concerned Americans,
I am asking you to please go to http://www.RonPaul2008.com or just http://www.google.com and type in “Ron Paul”.
You have more than two choices for president.We do not have to settle for what the government run media tells us we have to vote for.
Please ,you owe it to yourselves to get all the information on who he is before election day. Time is running out and America can not afford another four years of poor management. Ron Paul in my mind is the only hope we have for saving America.
We owe it to our selves to listen to what this intellegant, sincere man has to say.
You can also see videos of him speaking on http://www.YouTube.com .His financial advisor is Peter Schiff, another extremely smart man who knows his stuff on the economy.
We need to stand up for ourselves and stop letting the media tell us who is going to win or who we have to vote for . I do not know about you but I am tired of all the bickering and waste of time between some of the other candidates. Dr. Ron Paul makes no time for this. I am not telling you who you should vote for I am just saying you need to be aware of all the candidates not just the ones they want us to hear about. Tell your in and out of state friends and relatives to check it out also.
If you do not have a computer you can go to a library or some one you know who does.
Make the informed choice on who you want for president ,don’t just pick one because you think you have no other choice.
He speaks the truth, a straight talking politician for once, hard to fathem I know. Join with me and countless others who enjoy listening to him speak.
It’s not too late!
Thank You for your time. 
http://WWW.RONPAUL2008.COM
Sincerely,
Cindy Fuson

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