Ron Paul: ” They’re Terrorists Because We’re Occupiers”

  •  December 31, 2009


Sheila Jackson Lee, Ron Paul, Larry King and Ben Stein…together again for the first time! This is a shining example of idiocy squared! When Sheila Jackson Lee makes more sense than Ron Paul, that does not bode well for Paul!
The money quote is around 6:41
Ringling Brothers is missing a clown!
Cross Posted at Proof Positive

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  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Sad, but true! (And darned funny! I don’t care who you are!) Heh.

  • sayanything-1317

    So if Jews or Christians get angered at the Muslims in our holy cities, “occupying” our lands…does that give us the right to bomb Egypt? Saudi Arabia? Iran?

    These people are savages who kill men, women and children to spread their religion. Taking their claims as sane or rational is not logical.

  • sayanything-4416

    He's right.

  • brenarlo

    Gee, why would Ron Paul say that they're terrorists because we're occupiers? I don't know… maybe it's because that's what the terrorists say, numerous former CIA agents, and the official 9/11 report.

  • sayanything-4642

    i wish hed just give this part of his mission up. im totally agree we have too many bases outside our border. many of the bases are built in the wrong spots. an example; the bases in iraq should all be closed and rebuilt in kurdistan where they love us. that should be our new israel.

    unlike what we are told, the countries our bases are in want us there. doubt me? just look what happened when we rightfully started to close bases down in germany….. it the same reaction here. the area screams, 'YOU CANT DO THIS. WE NEED YOU HERE.' why? everyone knows our bases employ the entire region they are placed in.

  • sayanything-4642

    when we start taking, they are right.

    to be honest……i think we should be building as many oil containment facilities as america can hold and pump iraq for everything shes worth. that can become our strat reserve. trillions of gallons of oil. so, when the market starts going up, we start selling. when our reserves go down, we go back to iraq and fill them up again. for free. want stabel oil supply? we have more than the world will need sitting in oil tanks across the usa.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    it's because that's what the terrorists say

    Well! As long as we have a reliable source! They might try to kill us, but they would never lie? Right!

    This terrorist also said that this was retribution for a raid against Yemen two weeks ago… only it's been reported that he bought his ticket before that! Oops!

    It's the same old "imperialist" lie recycled. It's not why they become terrorists. BTW, it's not poverty, either! But Obama and Co. have banished the "I" word from the discussion.

  • sayanything-1317

    Ron says it because he's an idiot.

    Al Queda has also listed that the price of oil should be at $144 a barrel, and, until it is, we are stealing from the Muslims. And that Israel should stop existing.

    Iraq isn't even OBL's home. The "freedom fighters" were monsters from other countries who ran in to impose a caliphate. If our stopping these filthy beasts is why they're fighting us…than so be it.

  • robert108

    Typical nonsense! The Islamists were doing their "conversion by the sword" imperialism for centuries before the US even existed. They are intolerant of anyone who believes other than they do, and they hate us because our free way of life is more successful than their hateful one.
    It's the same reason lefties hate the US.
    RP is a moron. His liberaltarian ideology has made him a fool.

  • brenarlo

    Proof,

    So when terrorists say something, we're not supposed to believe them. BUT, when they're heads are dunked under water and they confess to something, THEN and only then are we to believe what they say? That doesn't make any sense. And I wasn't even referring to the latest guy who was caught. Bin laden himself has said it many times. Our bases in their holy land piss them off.

    And, of course, you ignored the other sources I listed, such as CIA agents and the official 9/11 commission report. I'm sure that was a silly mistake on your part.

    Yeah… I'm sure there are just a bunch of people who want to kill themselves because we have freedom. Say that to yourself slowly… it doesn't make any sense.

  • sayanything-22

    No, they don't want to kill themselves because we have freedom. They want to kill us because we do not bow to the prophet.

  • brenarlo

    And to add to that… even if Bin Laden wanted to keep bombing the US because "we're free," he certainly wouldn't be able to get as much support for his schemes if we didn't piss off the entire Muslim world by having bases in their holy land.

  • sayanything-4642

    no, they want to kill us because their book tells them to. and yes, it is silly.

    "And fight in the cause of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits. And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from where they drove you out and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque (in Makkah) until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the reward of the unbelievers. But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors." (Qur'an, 2:190-192)

  • brenarlo

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fataw%C4%81_of_Osama…

    His fatwa specifically lays out his grievances against the US, the biggest one being that we have military bases in their hold land.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    ben-arlo: It is reductio ad absurdum for you to suggest that I said we should never listen to the terrorists. You've got the "ad absurdum" down pat!

    Please tell us, which countries we were "occupying" on Sept 10, 2001 when we made those terrorists. It will help you valildate their claims.

  • sayanything-22

    Brett,

    Islamic terrorism existed long before 1996 when that Fatwa was issued.

  • brenarlo

    Right, it has been happening every since countries have tried to occupy their lands, which goes back many centuries.

    But something that happened 500 years ago doesn't drive a 20 year old dumb kid to fly planes into buildings. When the leader of his radical group tells him to specifically kill Americans because the US occupies their land, it means something… especially considering these muslims can actually witness the occupation.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    the biggest one being that we have military bases in their hold (sic) land.

    Do we "occupy" those countries where we have bases? Are we "occupying' Germany and Japan as well? Is it possible for them to resent our presence without us being "occupiers" as the tin foil hat candidate Paul suggested?

  • brenarlo

    It doesn't matter how we define "occupation". What matters is how THEY define it. Of course, it's a silly notion to say that we occupy Japan or Germany. But, it would be a MUCH different story if the Germans or Japanese thought we were occupiers. Sure, you can give credit to those guys for being more logical and sane than the radical terrorists. But as long as those terrorists THINK we're occupying their land, then they'll continue to attack.

  • sayanything-795

    And if it wasn't us "occupying" their land it would be because we're more prosperous than they are, or that we're friends with Israel, or that we evolved as a society while they remained sheepherders, or that Osama likes Coke better than Pepsi, or that the bottom line is that we haven't subjugated ourselves to the Muslim faith and Allah.

    The left believes or says whatever it must in order to portray America as the limping gazelle trailing the herd. Predators love the easy-pickings.

  • brenarlo

    It's entirely possible that the radicals over there would find other reasons to try attack the US. My point was that it's much, much, much harder to actually find people to carry the bombings out when you're only motivation tactic is "hey, they have nice cars, let's bomb them."

    But if it's possible to knock one of those reasons out of their excuse repertoire, then why not at least have an intelligent discussion about it? Especially considering the former head of the bin laden unit in the CIA agrees with Ron Paul on this.

  • sayanything-7406

    Honestly, I do like Ron Paul. I like his strict adherence to the U.S. Constitution. But this is one of the things about him that i do not like. Jimmypop said it pretty well. Radical Muslims (don't want to all lump 5 of the moderate Muslims in with their more fanatical brethren) hate people who don't follow their teachings.

  • sayanything-7406

    Oops, typing error. I meant to say "don't want to lump all 5 of the moderate Muslims in with their more fanatical brethren".

  • Jim

    Okay I'm a little slow-which part of Nigeria are we occupying?

  • brenarlo

    But hating people isn't the same as being willing to blow yourself up for the cause.

    Again, they need to motivation from a strong leader that is around in modern times. That's why it's important to pay attention to the fatwas of the 1990s. They actually motivate the radicals. What some dumbass did in 394 does not.

    And again, everyone just throw it out there that they hate us, therefore, they'll kill us. While that may (and i emphasize MAY) still want to, why not at least investigate and consider that the former head of the bin laden unit in the CIA may be right that the US is experiencing blow back?

  • brenarlo

    The radicals aren't saying that (that I know of)… they're pissed that we're in their HOLY LAND. Nigeria is not their holy land.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    What drives me nuts is that I think this is more about "Ron Paul said it so it must be true" than anything else.

    You reference people invading "their land" for centuries. Do you realize how shallow an analysis that is? That these people have been the aggressors more often than the victims?

    What about all those plane hijacking in the 1980's? Were those our fault?

    For a movement that prides itself on being well-versed in history Ron Paul's apparently unthinking disciples sure seem willing to follow that crank dowm every historically illiterate path he cares to tread.

    Wake me up when the Ron Paul movement (I hesitate to even call them libertarians given the paucity of independent thought in their ranks) begins to live in the real world in foreign policy.

  • sayanything-4416

    "THEY HATE US 'CAUSE WE'RE FREE!"

    Is there a more ridiculous conservative belief?

    So hard to choose……

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Are we in Nigeria?

    Muslims the world over view the middle east as their holy land and anyone on it, even Jews with as much historical claim to the area as they have, as the infidel.

    Its clear, Brett, that neither you nor Paul really grasp the situation there.

  • sayanything-2865

    That sur'a references an attack in measured response ("do not exceed the limits") when prompted. If they're attacking us in a measured response based on perceived transgressions. That implies that they think we've done something to them.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    It doesn't matter how we define "occupation". What matters is how THEY define it.

    Wrong. It does matter. Even you ought to be able to see that there is a difference between saying "we are occupiers" and "they see us as occupiers". (Whether that is true or not). Why would we admit to something that we do not believe is true?

    The first rule of diplomacy is precision of language. That is to try, as much as possible, to eliminate misunderstandings. It matters how we define everything we do on the world stage,

    Pity that Mr. Paul (and you) either cannot grasp the distinction or cares not to.

    We do not ever need to cater to the tin foil hat crowd or allow them to define the terms of the debate.

    But, if you believe there is merit in the imprecision of one's speech, you may continue to hold to that. And bonus points for the consistency in that your posts exemplify what you believe!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Well of course they do. That's how tyrants operate. They always need someone to demonize. For the jihadists its we infidels and the "great Satan" America. For Hitler it was the Jews. For Stalin it was the bourgeios and the capitalists who were always sabotaging his five year plans.

    And on and on.

    The Muslims have been persecuted far less than a lot of other religious or ethnic groups, frankly. If they were a liberty minded people they could be a hub of global prosperity and commerce given their resources.

  • sayanything-4416

    Um, one small detail. We've been putting US military bases in their region at a rapidly increasing rate since the 1980s when republicans decided that we needed to rule the world. It's one of your peoples' flaws.

    Invaders are always hated, particularly when their motives aren't good. Ours aren't despite the delusion of those who think they are.

  • sayanything-4416

    It's not for you to tell others that they should be as craven and shallow as America and exploit their resources and people like the whores of America do.

    Did you learn nothing from Avatar? LOL

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Oh, Magoo! You've done it again!

    Don't you ever get tired of being wrong, Dino?

  • hannitized

    Mark Stein is an idiot.

    Does he really think Hawaiians didn't have to be vigilant against the Japanese after the bombing of pearl harbor???? I mean, are you serious???

    And did he really say Anti-semitic??? Holy cow….what a clown.

    Additionally, anybody who thinks IBM could resolve a security issue like that, let alone keep accurate customer records DOES NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT!! IBM is OEMing one of their top selling storage solutions because they couldn't' make a solution that meets customer requirements or predict industry trends or envision its future. Their technology, out side of servers and mainframes, are complete cr@p!!

    Lastly, what does having IBM stalk have to do with understanding what their capabilities are??? Share holders only need to know if they met their numbers. IBM is one of the wort technology developers in the industry right now.

  • hannitized

    Stock, not stalk….as in PROOF the stalker.

  • hannitized

    Oh….nice counter. /sarcasm

    Proof cant even must an intelligent counter argument against Dino, who he believes is a Troll.

    So what does that make the cyberstalker??? Too funny!!

  • hannitized

    Whoops….Ben Stein.

  • sayanything-4642

    if you ask the right muslim leader, just having a white christian in that area of the world is cause for driving us out by any means. in fact, thats binladens whole theme.

  • hannitized

    Yeah, so we might as well just invade the place and start bombing all the residential areas to get the bad guys……and build some oil pipelines. Right?

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Mark Stein (sic) is an idiot.

    Whoops….Ben Stein.

    Hannitized: More projection than a multiplex!!

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Proof cant (sic) even must (sic) an intelligent counter argument against Dino, who (sic) he believes is a Troll.

    I think you've outdone yourself this time, moron!

    Hie thee to the third grade!

  • hannitized

    Hey!! You found the spell check button, but you still can't find a counter argument. Good job!

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Can anyone believe that this moron Wankertizerd likes to think he has a better command of English than do I, simply because he caught me in a typo? I think he may have made more typos and errors in grammar in that one sentence than he's caught me in during the last two years!

  • hannitized

    Ben Stein is an idiot.

    Does he really think Hawaiians didn't have to be vigilant against the Japanese after the bombing of pearl harbor???? I mean, are you serious???

    And did he really say Anti-semitic??? Holy cow….what a clown.

    Additionally, anybody who thinks IBM could resolve a security issue like that, let alone keep accurate customer records DOES NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT!! IBM is OEMing one of their top selling storage solutions because they couldn't' make a solution that meets customer requirements or predict industry trends or envision its future. Their technology, out side of servers and mainframes, are complete cr@p!!

    Lastly, what does having IBM stock have to do with understanding what their capabilities are??? Share holders only need to know if they met their numbers. IBM is one of the wort technology developers in the industry right now.

  • hannitized

    Can anyone believe that this moron PROOFoundlystupid likes to think he has a better ability to make a logical argument, or counter argument than I do, simply because he caught me in a typo, or grammar error? I think he may have made fewer arguments and counter arguments than he's caught me making typos during the last two years!

  • sayanything-1317

    So do we accept that as a valid reason just because they say so? The land isn't theres. They're killing their supposed bretheren, with none of us to impose their caliphate.

    You buy into nonsense, and then twist yourself into pretzels to defend it.

  • sayanything-7406

    I saw Avatar. I usually like James Cameron's films, especially The Terminator but Avatar seemed like Dances With Wolves (a horrible film). Avatar is better visually speaking but I thought District 9 was the best film I've seen this year.

  • sayanything-1317

    I think it has more to do with your lack of intelligence or readin ability than your typo.

    Though it helps that you call other people on typos when you make them more than virtually everyone else here combined.

    Let's not quibble here. Your idea of "debate" is simply to call someone stupid, insult something you know about them, and then crow that you're obviously superior because you make more money. Even if you were 100% right about IBM, it's not terribly relevant, because you could substitute IBM with Microsoft, Apple or any other tech company, and it's the same idea. Nor does OEMing a service prove you're a bad company as virtually all the tech companies do it.

    Far from being a brilliant anaylsis, it is shallow and barely BARELY scratches the surface, while pumping yourself up. Basically like everything else you post. Superficial and self serving.

  • hannitized

    Let's not quibble here. Your idea of "debate" is simply to call someone stupid, insult something you know about them,

    That is all you are doing here. But you don't see that, do you?

    …and then crow that you're obviously superior because you make more money.

    The ability to constantly be successful in business is a sign of intelligence. What's your excuse for not having been able to achieve it?

    Even if you were 100% right about IBM,

    I am.

    it's not terribly relevant, because you could substitute IBM with Microsoft, Apple or any other tech company, and it's the same idea.

    Huh??? Was that supposed to make sense? Are you talking about my comment about IBM, or Ben Steins? You can't even make an argument an express the point you wanted to make.

    Nor does OEMing a service prove you're a bad company as virtually all the tech companies do it.

    OEMing a service??? Do you understand the difference between a service and hardware? Is hardware a service?? Dude…..

    When you cant properly see the direction of industry you are in, it is usually a sign that you are working for a bad company. It's called vision, and ability to have a vision, set a specific plan to deliver a product that actually lives up to your goals and continue to satisfy the customer IS what makes a company successful.

    Read something, anything written by the Gartner group. Then, you might be able to understand how important it is to create products that companies use and buy.

    If IBM has to OEM a product that outsells all of the technology they develop (in that specific type of hardware or software market), than that says something negative about their ability to create technology solutions, doesn't it? Yes, it does.

    It's the smaller companies who usually have the intellectual property or skill set to create solutions that meet customers demands for the future. It's how people become millionaires. They create a fantatic product or solution and they plan to get acquired by a large bureaucracy that can then, hopefully, sell it to their large customer base that trusts their financial viability in addition to a guarantee to support it. Which usually isn't the case because when you OEM something, the support must come direct from IBM, who cant support it that well because they didn't create the product….so customer experience suffers.

    WTF would you know about that??

    Seriously STFU. You are a moron.

    Ben Stein said (4) really stupid things, while pretending to be smart.

    Pick one of them and make an argument, if you can.

  • hannitized

    Moron Kenny,

    Ben Stien's contention is that we should hand over the database and database mining to IBM to manage, and within a month they would have everything working correctly.

    Here, I shouldn't do this but i am going to copy a thread of an IBM employee talking to another about customer records they can't fix because their databases are all screwed up!!!

    Do you think that is relevant to Ben Steins point, yes or no? YOU EFFING MORON.

    You don't know what you are taking about…i have to go to my other lap-top to grab that thread, but I will post it soon.

    The bottom line is the CIA, FBI, DOD and other federal organization have EXCELLENT employees who manage their databases and computer technology. I am not sure why the information didn't make the correct connection to prevent this guy from getting on board, but I will wager it has more to do with the fact that he didn't commit a crime and that would be one of the flags that needed to be initiated to make the connection.

    Seriously @sswipe, you have no idea what you are talking about here.

  • Han

    Here is a thread from a company who shall rename nameless…let's call them a big company that would be on the list as one of Steins top choices:

    9:56:41 AM

    â—„

    how are you

    9:56:49 AM
    Gise…
    I am fine how are you?

    9:57:03 AM
    Jas…
    We are still having problems with CUSTOMER X

    9:57:11 AM

    â—„

    I'm good thanks

    9:57:18 AM
    Gise…
    yes that is such a nightmare

    9:57:33 AM
    Jas…
    have you talked with BP to resolve?

    9:57:36 AM
    Gis…
    Terry responded my note to authorize the corrections

    9:57:42 AM
    Jas…
    yes

    9:57:46 AM
    Gis…
    yes were you copied

    9:57:46 AM
    Jas…
    what next?

    9:57:53 AM
    GiS…
    I talked to him today

    9:58:00 AM
    Jal…
    we are losing the customer over this issue

    9:58:07 AM
    Gise…
    I am working on RPOs as those MES cannot be moved

    9:58:19 AM
    Jas…
    why not

    9:58:29 AM
    GisE…
    because the MES was already installed

    9:58:49 AM
    Jas…
    ok so what should be done

    9:58:50 AM
    Gise…
    even worse, it did not flow from SAP system to AAS where we have the inventory

    9:59:03 AM
    Jas…
    so this is still an Company XXX issue

    9:59:05 AM
    Gise…
    so the CSR back then processed RPOs all wrongly

    9:59:21 AM

    â—„

    to correct, I will place manually the model change

    9:59:29 AM

    â—„

    and the features adjstment

    9:59:44 AM

    â—„

    I am set to have them today

    9:59:47 AM
    Jasl…
    ok when can we expect it to be finished

    9:59:49 AM
    Gise…
    I have told XXX

    9:59:56 AM
    Jas…
    that would be wonderful

    10:00:01 AM
    Gise…
    and we will need to retro-install them

    10:00:08 AM
    Jas…
    great please copy me on all communication with them

    10:00:11 AM
    Gise…
    to not cause Maint discrepances

    10:00:16 AM
    Jas…
    how long will that take

    10:00:18 AM
    Gis…
    yes I will copy you

    10:00:33 AM
    Jas…
    so when can we see this accomplished

    10:00:34 AM
    Gis…
    let me call someone at Install team really quick

    10:00:39 AM
    Jasl…
    pls do

    10:00:43 AM
    Gis…
    hang on pls

    10:00:47 AM
    Jas…
    I am getting so much heat on this

    10:00:52 AM
    Gise…
    I understand

    10:01:00 AM
    Jas…
    thank so much for your help

    10:01:08 AM
    Gise…
    this case was not easy because it is too old

    10:01:11 AM
    Jas…
    please escalate this to the highest degree

    10:01:13 AM
    Gise…
    and many messes were made

    10:01:20 AM
    Jas…
    I understand

    10:01:22 AM
    Gise…
    it depends on me now

    10:01:28 AM

    â—„

    to place the orders today

    10:01:35 AM

    â—„

    the Install can be done tomorrow

    10:01:37 AM
    Jasl…
    we are on the verge of losing the customer confidence

  • sayanything-12

    Perhaps Ron Paul or Brenario can explain to us why the vast majority of victims of Islamic terror have been other Muslims.

    They are not terrorists because we are occupiers. That's just "let's beat ourselves 'cause we're bad people" liberal angst at work, to be honest.

    These people would still be terrorists even if we left the region.

    It is oil revenue that allows tyrannic governments to exist in the Middle East, and it is oil revenue that funds terrorism in these countries, and allows it to exist at the level that it is today.

  • MTD

    Wow. Every now and then Rep. Paul reminds me why I feel it necessary to hide the fact I read his books on the fed/free markets/liberties. And the crazies on here who agree with his notion that this "occupiers" nonsense is actually something more than just today's reason for terrorists wanting us dead need a hobby to replace the self-loathing.

  • sayanything-4625

    Right, it has been happening every since countries have tried to occupy their lands, which goes back many centuries.

    You do realize that the Crusade where started to drive back Muslims that had begun to conquer other people lands. Wait, no you don't.

  • brenarlo

    Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Scheuer

    Read this: http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Repo… p.147

    You can say these guys are wrong. Fine. But to ignore them and ignore what could be the most basic fundamental reasons why radical muslims want to blow up American buildings will just create more terrorists… and we'll be at war forever (or until the government doesn't have any money left).

  • sayanything-2804

    or until we surrender?

  • sayanything-4416

    I think every last young republican should make it their duty to enlist and go fight the Islamic menace. There. Away from here. Now.

    Send your conservative friends and relatives ASAP. Do it today!

  • Brent

    Ben Stein is a God Damn Communist. I once watched him on Larry King call for higher income, capital gains, and inheritance taxes… even higher rates than those supported by the other guest he was "debating". Now maybe this wouldn't be so shocking if the other guest was Ron Paul, who would abolish all those taxes, but the other guest was King Keynesian Paul Krugman.

    When you are to the left of Paul Krugman, you have basically declared war on this country. Of course, morons like Proof will always like Ben Stein because even though Ben Stein hates this country's traditional values with more passion than your average terrorist Jihadist, he also wants to police the world (hey, at least Stein is consistent).

  • sayanything-12

    Even if we didn't have a single soldier in the Middle East, they would continue to attack us. Bottom line. Fact of life. This meme you are pushing is hopelessly naive.

  • robert108

    Just a reminder: There are no taxes under communism; the govt owns all the means of production, controls all the jobs and revenues, and doles out an allowance to all citizens.
    That addresses only one of the ignorant statements you made.

  • robert108

    You keep making the same mistake, brenario; the muslims are the occupiers; they invaded the entire ME and parts of Europe and Africa. When the people of those lands want to expel them, they insist they are being "occupied".

  • robert108

    Our "transgression" is not subjugating ourselves to their moon god. What part of "kill all the infidels" don't you understand?

  • Hannitized

    Aren't the Muslim victims you are speaking of, victims because they cooperate with us, or because they are caught in the crossfire?

    Why do you think they are killed?

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Brent: As much as we always enjoy your view from inside your colon, you have made a lot of wild @ss assertions without a shred of evidence beyond your own histrionics.

    And how, exactly would you know, from what I have written here, what my opinion of Ben Stein is? He was in the video I posted, but so was Larry King. From your "logic" does it then follow that I "like" Larry King"?

    However, if you would like to post any evidence at all that Ben Stein is a Communist (yeah, Right!), other than what you say you heard or thought you heard one time, or that he "hates this country's traditional values" it might be entertaining to see what you can come up with. I would be interested in seeing this.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Hanni the Tranni is so frakking stupid that he doesn't realize that all three of the words I flagged were spelled correctly, they were just used ignorantly. A "spell checker" would not have flagged any of them.

    A spell checker is no substitute for intelligence or a good education. Something you wouldn't know, Tranni, not having either of them!

    Bad chimp! No biscuit!

  • sayanything-203

    As usual Ron Paul's diagnosis and prescription would be spot on… if this was still the 19th century. But it's the 21st century, not the 19th, and the world is a lot different place than Dr. Paul's wistful notalgia would have us believe it is.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Not sure if your analogy is true, B-1. The way I hear him talk, in principle at least, Ron Paul would have had trouble with our projection of force against the Barbary pirates in the early 19th century, too.

  • hannitized

    It is evident to all who you attempt to debate with that you are incapable of making a logical argument. You only have personal insults and spell check.

    That is your life. Ugly and lonely, that is if you consider having a dictionary as company.

  • sayanything-203

    It is evident to all who you attempt to debate with that you are incapable of making a logical argument. You only have personal insults and spell check.

    This from the same dolt who writes,

    Mark Stein [sic] is an idiot.

    BTW: Nice avatar! Who's the bimbo? Care to post her name?

  • sayanything-203

    Proof,

    You may be right. It would be interesting to hear Paul explain exactly how he would have handled the Barbary pirate situation… not mention where, as president, he would have acquired the money to pay them off.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Hanni the Tranni is just jealous of anyone who can string so much as two words together without a mistake. His bleating that I do not make arguments in lieu of any arguments of his own speaks volumes. Perhaps if he were to actually grow a pair of balls and actually make an argument sometime, it might be different!

    The fact that he keeps bleating "spell check", when the errors he so stupidly made were those of usage, also speaks volumes as to his lack of intellect.

    Should he ever finish third grade or find a blog with training wheels where he might learn to make an adult argument that consists of more substance than

    You lying doody-poopoo face.  You lying kaka-peepee, doody head, pooey face.

    which he is famous for saying, he might present a challenge someday. Now? No so much!

  • hannitized

    Ah, Bat shows his true colors. By calling my girlfriend a bimbo, he demonstrates his low class and exactly how low he is willing to go in order to attack someone he disagrees with.

    Not one liberal has ever attacked Rob's wife.

    You have no shame and no class. But, it's not like we didn't know that.

    So I confused Mark Stein with Ben Stein, big deal. They are both idiots. So the statement was accurate if not untimely.

    Ha.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    One Paulbot said that Ron Paul's "political philosophy is nearly identical to that of Thomas Jefferson".
    http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/ron_paul_lashes_… But Jefferson spent both blood and treasure to protect American interests outside the continental boundaries of the US.

    This was from a discussion about Israel defending itself.

    Another example was from here: http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/the_anti_jeffers…
    The video has since been removed, but you can find another copy here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG_KYqFzhEs

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    BTW, Tranni: Ugly and lonely is how I would describe the two poor, solitary brain cells of yours, inside the vast, empty caverns between your ears!

  • sayanything-2804

    I'm fairly certain they have never even met one another.

  • hannitized

    His bleating that I do not make arguments in lieu of any arguments of his own speaks volumes.

    I have made several arguments proving that Ben Stein was merely pretending to be smart, all while discrediting himself.

    You on the other hand, have only offered personal insults.

    Ben Stein was the only idiot on the show. The rest of the commentary was relevant. Which shows where the Conservatives are today, irrelevant.

  • sayanything-203

    Proof,

    You shouldn't be so hard on the Kid. His comments are not without their occasional utility. I've used his remarks and "arguments" several times to demonstrate to my boys both the intellectual karst that is contemporary leftist thought (?) and the obvious results of poorly developed communication and rationalization skills. It's sort of analogous to those old mandatory driver education classes… the ones where they showed pictures of mangled accident victims and strewn body parts. Needless to say, the boys got the point I was making.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Ah, Bat shows his true colors. By calling my girlfriend a bimbo, he demonstrates his low class and exactly how low he is willing to go in order to attack someone he disagrees with.

    A) You've made it pretty clear here before that "bimbo" is exactly the sort of girl you go with. Though I don't think its exactly fair to assume that this poor girl is a bimbo just because she's foolish enough to pal around with you. Misguided, sure. In for a nasty surprise, maybe. But not necessarily a bimbo.

    B) I don't think you should be lecturing anyone about rhetorical "low blows" given your typical behavior here.

  • sayanything-33863

    I prayed for that evil fat @ss to get better, so that he could have an epiphany and learn what an @ss he really is.

    Hope it worked.

    —————And who exactly penned this little love note about someone he disagrees with? I guess you showed your true colors too.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Mark Stein is an idiot.

    Ben Stein is an idiot.

    Mark Steyn is a raving lunatic… you are a lunatic as well….just a dumber version..

    http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/the_lawyer-in-ch…

    Oh, and I'm also the one who only has "personal insults". Glad you cleared that up for us, Tranni!

  • sayanything-203

    So I confused Mark Stein with Ben Stein, big deal. They are both idiots. So the statement was accurate if not untimely.

    Again, you completely missed the point, Idiot! The individual being discussed on this thread is Harvard-trained economist Ben Stein. Mark STEYN (note the correct spelling, Dumba$$!) is the brilliant commentator and satirist.

    If your dust-clogged spell-checker has a definition function as well, try looking up the word "paradoxical."

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    I was going to ask if Hanni had ever read Steyn's brilliant book "America Alone" and then I realized it had neither pop up pictures or a place for him to color!

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Hanjob's mom took his crayons away after the last trip to the emergency room

    to remove a crayon from his nostrils.

    The entire "occupation" thing is nonsense. The Muslims think that once a

    Muslim land always a Muslim land. So then even though the Jewish people

    occupied Israel a thousand years or something before the birth of Mohamed

    they consider them occupiers of their land.

    Plus as already pointed out that Islamic religion preaches conversion by the

    sword. Schisms in their religion and the aggressive use of force has held

    them at bay.

  • sayanything-1317

    That is all you are doing here. But you don't see that, do you?

    No, Hanni, that's NOT what I'm doing here. But you're too slow to get it. You come in screaming, "You're stupid, you're stupid. I rule. And you're stupid." Pointing it out is not the same as you doing it. THAT is your debate. That and nothing else. "Ben Stein is an idiot" "Proofoundly stupid." And why is he stupid? Because IBM OEMed something…which you refuse to name. Even though Stein was using IBM as an example.

    So even if you're 100% right about IBM, and you simply expect me to take your word for it (sorry I'll pass), you're deliberately missing the point. Private companies do keep track of 100s of thousands of people very well. (Which was the point) Give it to a private company (he admitted he didn't keep track of IBM…hence the stock comment), most likely a tech company.

    So, again, when you are called on your horsecrap, your debate was AGAIN to call me stupid, insult my income (which you have no idea what it is)…but I'm a DJ so it MUST be low (eye roll), and then to crow about how much you know. While saying…nothing of value. And your grand evidence? Something it looks like you typed up yourself that I HAVE to take your word is true. Given your track record…pass.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    That could expalin some of the build up of a waxy substance on the inside of the back of his skull!

  • sayanything-12

    Hannitized:

    Why do you think they are killed?

    Probably the most common reason is because they are easy targets for acts of terrorism.
    When people use terror as a means to an end, the targeting of women and children is particular effective. One should keep in mind that terrorists in the Middle East have many other objectives besides removing Western influence. For some of them it's about ideology, for some it's a profession, for others it's viewed as a path to power, and yet others, just a means of gaining a sense of identity.

  • sayanything-1317

    The brilliant commentary so far:

    Mark Stein is an idiot.

    And did he really say Anti-semitic??? Holy cow….what a clown.

    Proof cant even must an intelligent counter argument against Dino, who he believes is a Troll.

    So what does that make the cyberstalker??? Too funny!!

    It is evident to all who you attempt to debate with that you are incapable of making a logical argument. You only have personal insults and spell check.

    That is your life. Ugly and lonely, that is if you consider having a dictionary as company.

    So, Mark is an idiot. Ben is an idiot. Proof is an idiot. I am an idiot. Rob is an idiot.

    Whatever, you're in a tiny glass box, throwing stones. NO room to talk about personal insults.

  • hannitized

    Well, considering your slovenly @ss couldn't get any where near a romantic involvement with the class of woman I am involved with, I can see why you would encourage such behavior.

    You would never be able to make a romantic connection with a woman who is stunning, a PHD, and a incredible success from both a financial and personal perspective.

    Aint gonna happen.

    And this is SAB right? What is SAB without a personal insult. You can't take it when we go after you and your friends, but we have never gone after your women.

    You guys have no class and you have no bar of standards. You are low Rob. I won't lower myself to your standard.

  • hannitized

    Praying for someone to get better is bad?? Huh??

  • hannitized

    Enjoy your new years eve being @ssholes….

    I'm off to enjoy my life……good luck with yours. I hope you have learned something from this year of exceeding the normal threshold of standard @ssholery.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Praying for someone to get better is bad??

    Perhaps I could refer you to the comments that the Tiki Tranni made, when I suggested that the nation pray for Obama?

  • sayanything-316

    So, Mark is an idiot. Ben is an idiot. Proof is an idiot. I am an idiot. Rob is an idiot.

    If you swap out the word Idiot for Dr. Pepper, you'd have a catchy jingle, I'd say.

  • jk

    Do you share your STD meds with her, or do you make her get her own?

    You also might want to consider a nose job. That thing takes up a lot of space on your face.

  • sayanything-2

    Luap Nor, galactic moron.

  • sayanything-45

    And God bless us, everyone. :)

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Right back atcha, Mr. Adamson! Happy New Year to all of our friends across the border!

  • sayanything-1317

    Have a good one Hanni.

    I think you're a delusional tit, and a halfwit, but I genuinely wish you the best. Growing up might be nice too. But if it didn't happen on Christmas, it's not likely to.

    God bless.

  • hannitized

    Happy New Year Kenny! I hope you find what you are missing.

    I notice that you didn't respond to my comments about IBM managing databases and Ben Stiens idiot contention that just because government does something, it automatically makes it bad, unlike a big freakin bureaucracy like IBM.

    I know better, he does not. He can only judge IBM based on what he thinks he would learn from being a shareholder. He is a big of an idiot as most of the people on this sight, from the right, who think they have all the answers on all things political. HE DOESN'T.

    He also revealed his idiocy by calling Ron Pauls comment about being occupiers ANTI SEMITISM. What does that reveal? it reveals that he is such blinded by his own personal race to view thing in the ME with a clear head.

    Ben Stein has completely discredited himself. He offered nothing intelligent. Buy you guys pick on Ron Paul because he simply said something you disagree with, in stead of saying something stupid, like Ben Stein.

    Lastly, his bit about not being vigilant after Pearl Harbor was sheer stupidity and lack of understanding the history of Pearl Harbour and Hawaii. What does he think? That Hawaiians didn't need to be vigilant because instead of being keen and aware, they could loaf because they rounded all of the Japanese up and put them in camps?

    Seriously, if I am an idiot then you shouldn't be able to walk the the limited intelligence you show and that you defend when idiots make comments like that.

  • hannitized

    Let's try that again, after proofreading:

    Happy New Year Kenny! I hope you find what you are missing.

    I notice that you didn't respond to my comments about IBM managing databases and Ben Stiens idiot contention that just because government does something, it automatically makes it bad, supposedly unlike a big freakin bureaucracy like IBM.

    I know better, he does not. He can only judge IBM based on what he thinks he would learn from being a shareholder. He is as big of an idiot as most of the people on this site, from the right, who think they have all the answers on all things political. HE DOESN'T, you don't.

    He also revealed his idiocy by calling Ron Pauls comment about being occupiers ANTI SEMITISM. What does that reveal? it reveals that he is blinded by his own personal race to view things in the ME with a clear head.

    Ben Stein has completely discredited himself. He offered nothing intelligent. But you guys pick on Ron Paul because he simply said something you disagree with, instead of saying something stupid, like Ben Stein.

    Lastly, his bit about not being vigilant after Pearl Harbor was sheer stupidity and shows a lack of understanding the history of Pearl Harbour and Hawaii. What does he think? That Hawaiians didn't need to be vigilant because instead of being keen and aware, they could loaf because they rounded all of the Japanese up and put them in camps?

    Seriously, if I am an idiot then you shouldn't be able to walk the the limited intelligence you show and that you defend when idiots make comments like that.

  • sayanything-1317

    The comment so inane it needed to be posted twice.

    Where to start, where to start:

    Most people who invest in companies learn about them. His comment about not owning stock is a way of saying "I don't know much about IBM". You could replace IBM with any other tech company and his point holds up. Moreover, since you provided no real verifiable evidence, or even the name of the bad product they had to OEM, there's nothing to debate. You're simply saying they suck because they OEM, which is assinine as virtually every tech company OEMs SOMETHING. It's a bit like saying some football player sucks because he missed a pass in one game, while ignoring the rest of his actions in that game, or even the rest of the season.

    Ron Paul associates freely with and takes money from anti-semetic groups. He rails against how everything we do in the ME is meant to help Israel. And he has allowed virulantly anti-semetic comments in his published magazine and newspaper before. There is more than a little evidence of anti-semetism. Things you say and do are remembered. You don't get a blank slate every morning, or every interview.

    Given Paul's support of loons, his affections for Truthers and his pretzel logic on what is constitutional and what is not, I see nothing wrong with writing him off as a nut or a fool. Even taking Paul at face value, he makes little sense. If the welfare state is unconstitutional, how can shrinking the welfare state be unconstitutional? It leaves most people with the impression that Paul is, as his staunchest advocates suggest "Dr. No" and nothing more.

    As for his comments about Pearl Harbor, perhaps that was during or after the free for all. Once they all started talking I couldn't understand them anyway and just turned it off.

  • hannitized

    Your question of where to start is a good one, because you are clueless.

    You say that the fact that IBM OEM'd a particular product, doesn't mean they suck, because other companies OEM products. That is profoundly ignorant on multiple levels.

    1. Specifically identified why OEM'ing in IBM's case revealed their lack of leadership, intelligence and competency. It's not like they were rounding out an offering by OEMing "something"…they are OEM'ing a product because they lacked the ability to meet customers demands around one of their core competencies.

    Do you even know what IBM does? Ever heard of a mainframe? They are OEMing one of their top selling storage products, because they cant sell their own garbage?? Their own storage doesn't sell that often because it doesn't meet customers demands of today. THAT goes to show how poor their vision is of the industry they purport to command.

    2) You say Steins comment isn't stupid because you can put "any tech companies" name in the sentence and it's still valid, but that is not true.

    You don't even know what tech companies manage or focus on managing databases. ORACLE would have been a good choice…I have never experienced a situation where Oracle can't maintain their own databases…….but I have with IBM. Furthermore, tech companies don't outsource their staff to manage their customers infrastructure. That's more of the line of work of companies like Accenture. So he shows a profound lack of knowledge of the industry.

    It's like saying Boeing should be in charge of fighting on the front lines. And that is what the government does anyway, so…it's just stupid.

    3) You don't need to be an investor to be able to buy a companies Annual Report. Besides, few investors go to that level of understanding the companies they invest in. That is the job of their broker. If Stein DID read Annual Reports, he would know the industry better…..so I conclude that he is pretty much a phony.

    Paul and the accusation of being Anti Semtic is different than Stein claiming his argument was anti Semitic, because he didn't say anything about Isreal. So that lame defense doesn't even apply here.

    Secondly, you can be anti Isreal without being Anti-Semitic.

    You provided no links to support your accusation, of course. And not that it matters, his statement was not directed at Isreal. It was Steins hyper sensitivity that shows he is too emotional about the ME, to comment on it accurately.

    Would you mind explaining what the "free for all" was, during and after the period where Pearl Harbor was bombed?

  • hannitized

    Clarification. What i meant was that IBM doesn't outsource their employees to manage customers databases. Other companies to that, like Accenture….and the government uses companies like Accenture, already.

  • sayanything-2

    Wow, trannitized, you can't even keep your lies straight in a single comment. Too f**king funny.

  • hannitized

    Most of the study surfaced what could be considered conventional wisdom in regards to the attitudes and priorities of CEOs among IBM's customer base. But one particular finding struck me as emblematic of the underlying problem inhibiting growth — a lack of leadership.

    Sixty percent of the respondents said that the most significant barrier to making changes was limited internal capabilities and leadership resources to manage change related projects. The CEOs don't believe that they have the organisational structure and capabilities to meet their number one goals, said Kris Pederson, Americas leader of IBM's strategy and change practice.

    Combine the revenue growth priority with the lack of leadership throughout the ranks, and you have a recipe for disaster.

    In the study, IBM quoted a public sector CEO: "Our style has been based on industrial relations, not human relations. We are currently managing people poorly. Our workforce is aging and we are not attracting new blood. Our government business mentality is 10 years behind the private sector."

    Another CEO in the survey said, "There are hyper growth requirements and there is a war for talent." Other CEOs noted a shortage of specialised expertise within companies and the need for more education and qualified candidates. In some cases jobs are going offshore because of qualified candidates in countries such as India.

  • hannitized
  • sayanything-2

    Thats funny, you sh*t all over JustRuss for using response to his own comment, now you do it. What a sad a$$ed f**kbag.

  • sayanything-4625

    Most of the study surfaced what could be considered conventional wisdom in regards to the attitudes and priorities of CEOs among IBM's customer base. But one particular finding struck me as emblematic of the underlying problem inhibiting growth — a lack of leadership.

    I curious Hanni, what do you think that passage you linked to says?

  • sayanything-4625

    Clarification. What i meant was that IBM doesn't outsource their employees to manage customers databases.

    If that's true, why does your article say they do?

    The CEO's comments sound like a perfect segue to IBM's pitch for on demand computing and business consulting services. Throughout the study, IBM assiduously avoids the "on demand" moniker, but the subtext is that revenue growth is intimately tied to IT, which must provide real-time infrastructure and be responsive to changes such as competitive challenges, cost pressures or customer demand.

    IBM hopes to grow its revenue and outsourced business by exposing the data from the survey to current and potential customers. But, if IBM is anything like the majority of customers who participated in the survey, the lack of know how and leadership will doom both IBM and its clients to failure.

    However, IBM must be confident that it has the answers and talent within its own organisation and deployed at client engagements to remake organisations lacking those leadership resources in its own image. With billions of dollars in outsourcing and consulting contracts under its belt, Big Blue has a lot riding on its ability to lead and execute and transfer that capability to clients. If the company falters in meeting its various goals for client engagements, it can point to its own lack of leadership and talent throughout the ranks as the primary cause.

  • hannitized

    The ISG final report trumps all:
    Iraq Survey Group Final Report
    Regime Strategic Intent
    Key Findings

    Saddam Husayn so dominated the Iraqi Regime that its strategic intent was his alone. He wanted to end sanctions while preserving the capability to reconstitute his weapons of mass destruction (WMD) when sanctions were lifted.

    * Saddam totally dominated the Regime’s strategic decision making. He initiated most of the strategic thinking upon which decisions were made, whether in matters of war and peace (such as invading Kuwait), maintaining WMD as a national strategic goal, or on how Iraq was to position itself in the international community. Loyal dissent was discouraged and constructive variations to the implementation of his wishes on strategic issues were rare. Saddam was the Regime in a strategic sense and his intent became Iraq’s strategic policy.
    * Saddam’s primary goal from 1991 to 2003 was to have UN sanctions lifted, while maintaining the security of the Regime. He sought to balance the need to cooperate with UN inspections—to gain support for lifting sanctions—with his intention to preserve Iraq’s intellectual capital for WMD with a minimum of foreign intrusiveness and loss of face. Indeed, this remained the goal to the end of the Regime, as the starting of any WMD program, conspicuous or otherwise, risked undoing the progress achieved in eroding sanctions and jeopardizing a political end to the embargo and international monitoring.

    Ooohh…..that's crushing!! Sort of just like we said. Eh Greg?

    * The introduction of the Oil-For-Food program (OFF) in late 1996 was a key turning point for the Regime. OFF rescued Baghdad’s economy from a terminal decline created by sanctions. The Regime quickly came to see that OFF could be corrupted to acquire foreign exchange both to further undermine sanctions and to provide the means to enhance dual-use infrastructure and potential WMD-related development.
    * By 2000-2001, Saddam had managed to mitigate many of the effects of sanctions and undermine their international support. Iraq was within striking distance of a de facto end to the sanctions regime, both in terms of oil exports and the trade embargo, by the end of 1999.

    Saddam wanted to recreate Iraq’s WMD capability—which was essentially destroyed in 1991—after sanctions were removed and Iraq’s economy stabilized, but probably with a different mix of capabilities to that which previously existed. Saddam aspired to develop a nuclear capability—in an incremental fashion, irrespective of international pressure and the resulting economic risks—but he intended to focus on ballistic missile and tactical chemical warfare (CW) capabilities.

    I wonder what they meant by "re-create"??
    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/report/…

  • sayanything-2

    So, you admit defeat and post the report that clearly states that Saddam and his regime had bio, chem, and nuclear weapons programs. Game. Set. Match.

    Now, screech and cry and lie some more, trannitized. It is all you have.

  • sayanything-4625

    Why are you in the wrong thread Hanni?

  • sayanything-203

    Why are you in the wrong thread Hanni?

    Greg,

    Acute congenital dysfunction.

  • sayanything-203

    What i [sic] meant was that IBM doesn't outsource their employees to manage customers [sic] databases.

    Wrong! I have two workout partners, both IBMers, who were forced to do exactly this. One quit IBM and went to work for the customer, the other is still with "Big Blue."

  • sayanything-203

    My apologies for the errant "blockquote" close.

  • sayanything-2

    GIA? Notice the trannitized has scrambled for cover, cut&run to spread lies in other threads. As it always does.

  • sayanything-4625

    Bat, his own article states that's how IBM intends to grow its business, by outsourcing to companies that need "leadership". I believe he thought it was an article about the lack of leadership at IBM. When I read it, I see that IBM did a market study and found that most companies claim leadership is what is slowing growth and IBM hopes to provide that leadership and expertise.

  • sayanything-203

    Greg,

    That article, and H's misreading of it, are reason enough to buy more IBM stock. Former IBMer Ross Perot did very nicely with both EDS and Perot Systems with essentially this same business plan.

  • hannitized

    It said they could claim more market share IF IBM showed the leadership, and not fall to the same problems their customers are falling to…

    Follow up:
    http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/IBM-Systems-and-…

    Pros
    IBM pays its top performers at (almost) industry average.
    Cons
    - IBM does not invest in its employees. For example, lip service is paid to continuing education, but there is no support from lower and middle management for keeping your skills current.

    - IBM does not want employees to work for the company for more than 5-7 years. IBM is focused on having the lowest paid workforce (in all countries) in lieu of product and technical expertise.

    - There is a complete failure in leadership at the upper management and executive levels. Rather than gain market share through R&D and product excellence, profit growth now comes from buying companies and layoffs. This year (2009) is an excellent example; since sales were flat, >10000 employees were outsourced and stock buybacks were used to increase the EPS.

    Advice to Senior Management
    IBM's leadership should focus on growing market share and product excellence. Recent high profile account failures (State of Illinois, State of Texas, New Zealand Air, Phillipine Government) show that IBM is not focusing on its core competencies – in fact, it is letting those competencies erode. Currently (as seen by recent SEC and Justice Dept indictments ) IBM's leadership is focused on amassing personal wealth at the expense of the company's future.

  • hannitized

    Ross Perot might have done well, but EDS wasn't….having to be sold to HP…because of EDS failing Navy contracts were killing it.

  • sayanything-4625

    A survey of CEOs among IBM's top customers shows a shift from a cost cutting to revenue growth as the primary business objective. That finding isn't much of a surprise, given the global easing of economic pain among corporations.

    Conducted by IBM Business Consulting Services, the survey measured the responses of 456 CEOs across the globe. The majority of the survey interviews were face-to-face meetings between the CEO and the ranking IBM representative.

    They (IBM Business Consulting Sevices) did a marketing survey.

    Most of the study surfaced what could be considered conventional wisdom in regards to the attitudes and priorities of CEOs among IBM's customer base. But one particular finding struck me as emblematic of the underlying problem inhibiting growth — a lack of leadership.

    IBM's customers said that one of the factors inhibiting growth was -lack of leadership. In their own companies. Not IBM.

    IBM hopes to grow its revenue and outsourced business by exposing the data from the survey to current and potential customers

    IBM hopes to grow its revenue and outsourced business by showing the results of this survey to potential customers.

    But, if IBM is anything like the majority of customers who participated in the survey, the lack of know how and leadership will doom both IBM and its clients to failure.

    This guy wonders if IBM can do it.

    However, IBM must be confident that it has the answers and talent within its own organisation and deployed at client engagements to remake organisations lacking those leadership resources in its own image. With billions of dollars in outsourcing and consulting contracts under its belt, Big Blue has a lot riding on its ability to lead and execute and transfer that capability to clients. If the company falters in meeting its various goals for client engagements, it can point to its own lack of leadership and talent throughout the ranks as the primary cause.

    If they fail to make money they can use their own survey as an excuse.

    IBM's survey helps to shift some of the blame where it belongs — a lack of talent and management skills to deliver on the promises of IT to serve a business and drive revenue and profits. Identifying the problem is half the battle, but finding the talent will continue to be a tough assignment.

    This survey helps to shift blame from IT products to the leadership of the companies that use those products. That's half the battle. The other half of the battle will be finding the right talent to lead organizations.

    Now tell me how is that article about leadership at IBM? Granted it does ask if IBM has enough talent and leadership to provide the leadership services to others.

    I like how your follow up "article" is a page of employee reviews.

  • hannitized

    I like how your follow up "article" is a page of employee reviews.

    Who knows better than their own employees?

    If you don't like that, read the Gartner reports:

    IBM’s OEM relationships and acquisitions are keeping it competitive in the midrange disk array storage marketplace and helping it keep account control, which is critical to established vendors with substantial market share.

    …

    IBM has not yet increased the maximum number of nodes in an XIV, nor has it shipped a parity RAID implementation that would make the system more attractive for data mining and archiving needs. The attractiveness of the IBM DS5000/4000 series and the N series is dependent on its OEM suppliers’ developing the necessary features and functions in a timely manner to keep these midrange disk array systems competitive.

    http://i.dell.com/sites/content/business/solution…

    It's like I said, they have to depend on their OEM relationships in some of their core competencies to remain competitive because they lack the leadership and vision to produce the hardware themselves.

    Now tell me how is that article about leadership at IBM? Granted it does ask if IBM has enough talent and leadership to provide the leadership services to others.

    The article is suggestive that if you have to depend on a company to provide you the expertise to run your infrastructure and IT hardware/software solutions, the outsourced company must also have the leadership and skill set's it's looking to replace.

    The employee forum shows that they are not paying their employees well, and they are laying off the talent, not educating their employees and that their is a lack of leadership.

  • sayanything-4625

    Nice spin Hanni. Its about a marketing survey and how they are going to use that survey to make money.

  • hannitized

    Anybody can do a market survey. What does that prove?

    What matters is if they can deliver what they are selling. The article itself communicates that to the reader. That is s significant part, but it's not as significant without the follow up, about proving that IBM is not investing in its' employees, as the article I provided demonstrates.

  • sayanything-4625

    Dude, what it proves is that you didn't read the article, you read the headline and thought that it meant that IBM had leadership problems.

    Secondly, your "follow up" is an employee review. Its worthless. There are others in there that support IBM. I know you like to ignore your own sources if they don't suit your purposes but come on man, employee reviews?

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