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Antisemetic? Perhaps this article might shed some light:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIPAC_espionage_scandal

It’s really quite fascinating.

From what I’ve read it seems this has been addressed long, long ago.  The body of Paul’s writings and floor speeches tell of his views.  Paul sees every individual as valuable and cherished.  In a sense, he is color-blind.

If you disagree with Paul, address the issues.

He’s colorblind, except when he calls 95% of blacks colorblind.

By the way, how many of you Paul-maniacs who come here every time I post a story about this twit are paid operatives?

Just wondering...because I can see how you guys are getting here, and the efforts seem pretty coordinated.

It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.

Teddy Roosevelt
“Citizenship in a Republic,”
Speech at the Sorbonne, Paris, April 23, 1910

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I have already seen that these quotes have been discreditted as the quotes of the person that wrote his newsletter.  Ron Paul apologized for the statements and made it clear that these were not his views.

Is this really the worst dirt you can dig up?

Simply slander.
There are plenty of reasons to disagree with/attack Ron Paul, it’s not as if his policies are non-controversial. This mud-slinging is just plain disgusting.

"The Ronnies” as I call them are very coordinated, I’ve seen my traffic skyrocket since posting about him. 

It is interesting that some many GOP resources are being dedicated to slamming Ron Paul.  (Note: I didn’t use the term smear for a reason.)

The best course, as usual, is to simply ignore those that are deemed fringe.  But giving them air and web play, you’re getting the word out. 

The more Republicans slam him, the more likely the left wing wackos that want to see the U.S. out of Iraq are to show up and vote for him in open primary states as they voted for McCain in open primary states in 2000.

If you don’t take him seriously, don’t acknowledge him.

If you don’t take him seriously, don’t acknowledge him.

Acknowledge who???

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Please read the entire sentence, “black males in that city “.  Please note he said in THAT CITY, which is Washington DC.  He was not calling 95% of the black population criminal.  Maybe you should look up the facts before you post a criticism.  Sometimes the truth hurts.

Oh, so just 95% of the blacks in Washington D.C. are criminals.

Well, that makes it much better then.  Because the “fact” is that 95% of the blacks in Washington D.C. are criminals!

It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.

Teddy Roosevelt
“Citizenship in a Republic,”
Speech at the Sorbonne, Paris, April 23, 1910

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"semi-criminal”?

Because the “fact” is that 95% of the blacks in Washington D.C. are criminals!

“Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,’ I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal,” Paul said.

Oh, so some of the 95% he was talking about are just semi-criminals.  Kinda-sorta guilty.

What a reassurance.

It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.

Teddy Roosevelt
“Citizenship in a Republic,”
Speech at the Sorbonne, Paris, April 23, 1910

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I know what you mean. Your lie about what he said really makes him sound like a bad person.

Oh, so some of the 95% he was talking about are just semi-criminals.

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

I didn’t post about this subject on my blog because I questioned the sourcing.  But some “Ronnies” slammed my blog telling me about this story from the Free-Market News Network.

Internet information claiming that presidential candidate Ron Paul (R-TX) is a racist – and made derogatory comments about African Americans - has been making the rounds within the blogosphere. But sources close to the editorial group that published the newsletter (or newsletters) that supposedly carried the comments claim that Ron Paul never had anything to do with them, and wasn’t even aware of them.
[...]
Says one source, “Ron Paul didn’t know about those comments, or know they were written under his name until much later when they were brought to his attention. There were several issues that went out with comments that he would not ordinarily make. He was angry when he saw them.”

Ron Paul has said that he did not write the comments in question, but, nonetheless, has taken “moral” responsibility for them.

An excerpt from an apparent interview with Texas Monthly as quoted on the blog Everything2.com clarifies the above information as follows:

“In spite of calls from Gary Bledsoe, the president of the Texas State Conference of the NAACP, and other civil rights leaders for an apology for such obvious racial typecasting, Paul stood his ground. He said only that his remarks about Barbara Jordan related to her stands on affirmative action and that his written comments about blacks were in the context of ‘current events and statistical reports of the time.’ He denied any racist intent. What made the statements in the publication even more puzzling was that, in four terms as a U. S. congressman and one presidential race, Paul had never uttered anything remotely like this.

“When I ask him why, he pauses for a moment, then says, ‘I could never say this in the campaign, but those words weren’t really written by me. It wasn’t my language at all. Other people help me with my newsletter as I travel around. I think the one on Barbara Jordan was the saddest thing, because Barbara and I served together and actually she was a delightful lady.’ ...

I don’t understand how someone in a public position, or anyone for that matter, could be so irresponsible with the authority of their name. The thought of anything going out of his office with his name but not approved is quite worrisome to say the least.
I understand the he has issued his response to the situation but I have failed see where he denied he “said” any of it. He said he didn’t write it and of course we know that that’s what his office help is for but did he say the words that were quoted?
He authorized the article when he allowed it to happen.
It’s quite the lil’ political predicament he’s gotten himself into.
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“A genius is a genius, regardless of the number of morons who belong to the same race—and a moron is a moron, regardless of the number of geniuses who share his racial origin.”

Here’s what Ron Paul actually has to say about racism:

“Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans only as members of groups and never as individuals. Racists believe that all individual who share superficial physical characteristics are alike; as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups.”

From:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul68.html

BTW, the original article cited statistics that 85% of black males in Washington D.C. had been arrested.  The article (not Paul himself) then went on to presume that figuring in the poor performance of DC law enforcement, the actual number was probably slightly higher.  If the 85% figure were left at that, you’d still be bitching, except it isn’t Paul saying that, it’s just a basic crime statistic.

It is concerning that Ron Paul at the time would not have enough control over his newsletter to prevent such a gross fopah.

However, the man has served 10 terms in congress.  That’s 20 years of political life.  With that much under your belt, one newsletter doesn’t a position make.

I’m going to vote for Ron Paul, because no other candidate is saying over and over again that we need to return to the constitution as he is.  As I feel the root of all of our problems boils down to deviation of acting constitutionally.

“Its just a goddamned piece of paper.” G. W. Bush referring to the constitution.

“Its just a goddamned piece of paper.” G. W. Bush referring to the constitution.

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml

Wow! You just ask for a little netiquette in providing a reference for your quotes and some people get all snotty! Go figure!

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

And it turns out, I have my own little Mini Me!

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Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

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Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

I can understand the problems with his comments towards black youth, but the Zionist remark is not inaccurate.  Based on your logic, you can call many of America’s renown scholars “anti-Semitic” just for recognizing AIPAC’s powerful influence in Washington.  You might as well throw Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein in that category.  Have you ever aspired attending Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government?  Did you know the former academic dean, Stephen Walt, published the working paper with nationally renown scholar John Mearsheimer called “The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy”?  Does he also fall into the classification of being an anti-Semite now?  AIPAC is a strong player in influencing United States foreign policy.  It is established in the field of government study as a taboo truth, and it is naive to think otherwise, or label it as a “kooky” conspiracy theory.

“Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,’ I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal,” Paul said.

Ron Paul is slamming the efficiency of the D.C Police, not pronoucing racial bigorty. 

To all who read this:  Only someone who is intent on discrediting someone and seeing them disappear would twist, contort, and misrepresent their words like this.

I know for a fact:  I worked in the national media for over 6 years.  And this is a joke.  One of the big three, in case you’re wondering. 

“...because I can see how you guys are getting here, and the efforts seem pretty coordinated.”

You bet.  And does that threaten you for some reason?  Why?  Brother, we’re looking to preserve this country, the US Constitution, and equality for everyone.  Turn around and take another look at what Ron Paul is saying.  Get fully informed, then get back to me.  You’ll realize you need to change your tune and FAST.

I have been scouring the internet for the last two night looking for a “Ron Paul Weakness.” The guy is a 10 term Congressman and the worst thing I can find is an edgy commentary that was made during the “Crack Cocaine” era. The guy is from Lake Jackson. have you ever been to Lake Jackson? It’s “LeaveItToBeaverville” USA right next to one the largest chemical refining and processing complexes in the world. This is a very Pro-Oil,Pro-Gun Pro-Religion and Pro-Constitution area of Texas. And this guy has been elected 10 times by this very conservative district. He seems like the “Lorax” of the constitution.

And so, BennyFrankilin
Ron Paul a Lorax you say?
-- please pardon my cough --
How far you think, will he go?…
I don’t hopefully know.
Maybe they will let him stay.
And we hope that they may.
Not dare just send him away.

Rob, that’s slander.

In any case, I’m a minority and I’m for Ron Paul.  I met him in 1999 when I was living in Austin, and I can assure you that he was just as warm and friendly to me as he was to anyone else at the event.  Most other politicians, on the other hand, put on this fake “oh I’d better be super sugary sweet to this guy” attitude.  Ron Paul just treated everyone as an individual.

I find it very disturbing that you would try to squelch the one guy that would end the drug prohibition.  Right now, over 2 million people are in prison in America (about equal to Russia and China’s combined total), and most prisoners are non-violent non-white drug offenders.  He also wants to end the war in Iraq that’s getting all our brothers killed.  I’m beginning to wonder if it is you that is the closet racist.

if this is all the “dirt” u Ron Paul haters can come up with then he isnt the one with the problem!
i am a Black woman from LA Cali and i support Ron Paul! He is a TRUE REPUBLICAN unlike all those RINOS(republican in name only) running for president!

RON PAUL is what this country has been needing for a long time!

Ron Paul gets my vote and i am spreading his name all over the place to anyone who will listen!

RON PAUL “THE CHAMPION OF THE CONSTITUTION!”

just loved when he said that!!!

Go Ron Paul!!!

Just because 85% of black males are arrested dosent mean they are guilty of a crime. Millions upon millions have been arrested and never been charged for a crime. And the article states that a ghost writer wrote the article you are talking about. It was published in Ron Pauls magazine therefore he had some say in whether or not it was published. He was aware of its existence. Ron Paul simply wont make it past the primaries because he has been accused of being racist, he is republican, and he is from the south, the same state George W. Bush is from Texas. Sorry guys America is trying to distance theres selves from George Bush this next election. I dont mean any hard feelings, just my opinion.

if this is all the “dirt” u Ron Paul haters can come up with then he isnt the one with the problem! i am a Black woman from LA Cali and i support Ron Paul! He is a TRUE REPUBLICAN unlike all those RINOS(republican in name only) running for president!

There’s more, many of his supporters can’t capitalize, spell or use grammar correctly.

The Debate is over!  Global Whining has been confirmed.

How about McCain’s racist slurs?

The Debate is over!  Global Whining has been confirmed.

Such stupidity!

“Can’t capitalize, spell or use grammar correctly.”

So you preffer to “attempt” to get personal as opposed to staying on the actual subject at hand. Because one speaks Enlgish differently than what is considered “correct” doesn’t mean that that person isn’t POLITICALLY MATURE!

I could give a @#$% about speaking this language that was forced upon my people to how you would think I must speak or type it!

I got my point across and it was understood!

There are many people who can speak “proper” English and view themselves as “intellectual” but are completely and totally stupid when it comes to how to live life honestly and morally! Many “intellectuals” are criminals but know how to hide it cause they are the true scum of the planet!

I guess u along with the other anal exits were born to test the good honest people of the planet!

The opinions of scumbags means nothing to people like myself.

I SUPPORT RON PAUL AS WELL AS MORE AND MORE AMERICANS DO EVERYDAY!!!

RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT!
THE CHAMPION OF THE CONSTITUTION!!!

So you preffer [prefer] to “attempt”[I think I did actually] to get personal as opposed to staying on the actual subject at hand. Because one speaks [writes] Enlgish [English] differently [incorrectly] than what is considered[accepted as] “correct” [no quotes needed] doesn’t mean that that person isn’t POLITICALLY MATURE!

It is a good indication though.

The Debate is over!  Global Whining has been confirmed.

McCain is just as sick as Bush and Cheney!

Fear and propaganda is their main tool to keep doing the evil things they live for. With their fake “terrorists threats” and double talk!

This is one reason why I support ROn Paul as well as many other Americans do. He is nothing like these three I just mentioned.

“Nothing but Ron Paul”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RoQS1Vc5ss

“The REAL Terrorists”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL_76KEp2Gk

RON PAUL 4 PRESIDENT!

I could give a @#$% about speaking this language that was forced upon my people to how you would think I must speak or type it!

The obvious solution is to suggest you use your “native” language instead.  Admittedly, your myopic virulence might get a little lost in the translation, but its not as though you’d be giving up much of an audience anyway.  Besides, its usually better to be misunderstood than to be laughed at.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Addressing the conspiracy stuff.  He’s not anti-Semitic or into conspiracy.  He was referring to the Israeli lobbyists.  There’s no conspiracy involved.  They exist, like every other lobby group.  He just hates lobbying, and really who doesn’t?  It’s not about any weird New World Order BS.

Regardless of what the media tell us, most white Americans are not going to believe that they are at fault for what blacks have done to cities across America. The professional blacks may have cowed the elites, but good sense survives at the grass roots.  Many more are going to have difficultly avoiding the belief that our country is being destroyed by a group of actual and potential terrorists—and they can be identified by the color of their skin. This conclusion may not be entirely fair, but it is, for many, entirely unavoidable.

Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among blacks in this country. Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty, and the end of welfare and affirmative action.... Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the “criminal justice system,” I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.

If similar in-depth studies were conducted in other major cities, who doubts that similar results would be produced?  We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, but it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings, and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers.

Perhaps the L.A. experience should not be surprising. The riots, burning, looting, and murders are only a continuation of 30 years of racial politics.The looting in L.A. was the welfare state without the voting booth.  The elite have sent one message to black America for 30 years: you are entitled to something for nothing. That’s what blacks got on the streets of L.A. for three days in April. Only they didn’t ask their Congressmen to arrange the transfer.

During Paul’s 1996 Congressional run, the Houston Chronicle unearthed some additional racial comments from his newsletter (emphasis mine):

Texas congressional candidate Ron Paul’s 1992 political newsletter highlighted portrayals of blacks as inclined toward crime and lacking sense about top political issues.

Under the headline of “Terrorist Update,” for instance, Paul reported on gang crime in Los Angeles and commented, “If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be.”

Paul, a Republican obstetrician from Surfside, said Wednesday he opposes racism and that his written commentaries about blacks came in the context of “current events and statistical reports of the time.”

... [I]n the same 1992 edition ... [Paul wrote], “We don’t think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That’s true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such.”

Paul also asserted that “complex embezzling” is conducted exclusively by non-blacks.

“What else do we need to know about the political establishment than that it refuses to discuss the crimes that terrify Americans on grounds that doing so is racist? Why isn’t that true of complex embezzling, which is 100 percent white and Asian?” he wrote.

nd the November 1, 1996 issue of the alt-weekly Austin Chronicle offered some additional gems from Paul’s oeuvre, including his thoughts about his former House colleague, the legendary Barbara Jordan (D-TX):

University of Texas affirmative action law professor Barbara Jordan is a fraud. Everything from her imitation British accent, to her supposed expertise in law, to her distinguished career in public service, is made up. If there were ever a modern case of the empress without clothes, this is it. She is the archetypical half-educated victimologist, yet her race and sex protect her from criticism.

It seems to me that he has been at this for quite sometime. The Heritage Front a Toronto Based White Nationalist/Neo-Nazi organization has him and his writings to include the Ron Paul Political Report in its list of “Racialist Addresses and Phone Numbers.”

It’s funny that so many of you “support” this candidate. So many of you excuse his comments in the same way the holocaust denial “experts” and their followers excuse the broken logic and pseudo science used in there absurd arguments. To the poster above who mentioned an increase in Pro Ron Paul posters think of this… The WN community is behind Ron Paul for President, visit Stormrfront or any other WN Internet community and youwill see he is the guy they want to win. Ron Paul is exactly what is being portrayed… all you have to do is look.

Please note: The above posting until “It seems to me that he has been at this for quite sometime” are excerpts from Ron Paul’s Newsletters. Not my vies but an attempt to the truth about Ron Paul. The onyl people inthis country who will know true freedom are Whites, and only the ones who think like he does.

"peacenwisdom” said, I could give a @#$% about speaking this language that was forced upon my people to how you would think I must speak or type it!

You’ve got people?

Scary.

All of the ‘evidence’ aside, I don’t see Paul as a rascist.  These days if you even think the n word or make any other off-center comment you can be labeled a rascist.  I have experienced that myself when I made some reference to black history that offended a black girls sensibilities.  Much that is called rascism today are simply excuses to fuel and prolong racial divisions.

Being liberal is never having to admit you’re wrong

My favorite part is putting “Zionist” in quotes even though that word was used by the (yellow) journalist, not Dr. Paul.

btw I find these remarks very distasteful, too.

Ron Paul is not anti-Semitic; African-American supporters of RP are not ill-informed

Ron Paul called Ludwig von Mises, a Jewish immigrant, his “economic mentor.” So, if you want to cheapen the word, “anti-Semite,” and redefine it as, “one who criticizes the actions of the state of Israel,” I suppose that you could call Ron Paul, and many Jewish people, anti-Semitic.  In that case, whether our next president is Jewish or not, s/he should be, to some degree, anti-Semitic.

The 85% Black Atlanta Ron Paul meet-up… are you thinking that these people are ill-informed?  I don’t think that they are.  I think that they judge Ron Paul based on his recent, real statements.

Look at the Federal Reserve, and see how privatization is completely bad news. If you empower the people to make laws, and give the power of government back to the people, you will not have corruption. The problem with too much privatization, is that you allow greedy business people to run the country, hold all the power, and pass laws that benefit them. Give the power back to the people, vote GRAVEL2008!

how pathetic that you guys repeat the same fake bs towards ron paul which he already discredited and when a supporter (btw we dont message eachother to coordinate to argue with you, theres just alot of supporters) tries to defend it you attack thier spelling and grammer? thats freaking childish, you’ve totaly failed and that avatar you got is stupid as hell whistler. damn first time ive been to this retarded website and already finding morons.

how pathetic that you guys repeat the same fake bs towards ron paul

Yeah! When you guys could be repeating the real bs towards ron paul!

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

damn first time ive been to this retarded website and already finding morons.

Then you should have felt entirely at home, moron. It’s freaking childish to go through life not being able to spell (there are spell checkers everywhere so there’s no good reason to post a horribly mispelled comment) and writing proper sentences much less paragraphs (you do know what a paragraph is, don’t you).

Being liberal is never having to admit you’re wrong

If you empower the people to make laws, and give the power of government back to the people, you will not have corruption. The problem with too much privatization, is that you allow greedy business people to run the country, hold all the power, and pass laws that benefit them. Give the power back to the people…

Businesses are not run by people?  Your rant is internally contradictory.  Get a grip.

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docdave.
STFU about spelling. One would expect we would all be smart enough not to believe in God, creationism, and the lot but it ain’t the case. Some people are just stupid, and its mean to rub it in. Like Craig. He was stupid to think his party wanted a homo in it. BUT OF COURSE NO ONE TOLD HIM THAT. Jeez.

While we are talking about stupidity… Let me also point out that is is stupid to call someone anti-semitic for being critical of Israel, or of Zionism. Zionism is a real ideology and party in Israel, Rob. Did you know that? This would be equivalent of me saying that people who are politically critical of republican lobbyists hate whites. Again, how does your logic seem when applied to another case? Shitty? Yea, I think so too. Reread the stuff you quoted. Is it really antisemitic rhetoric or are you just chomping a little to hard on the bit?

This would be equivalent of me saying that people who are politically critical of republican lobbyists hate whites.

Faulty analogy.  People who are politically critical of Republicans hate individuality.  Dems are also mostly white people, as you can see from the Clinton administration.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

r108
you say the most errant, silly things. what the fuck does that have to do with anything? you’re nuts. my analogy would work equally well with the dems, yes. not because of anything other than my analogy is a demonstration of faulty logic. here, for further buttressing of what I have said so far, is a link to back up the ‘zionist is a party’ claim. if i start a party that shares a name with something that people are bigoted against, is my party therefore free from criticism forever lest those who are critical wish to be labeled racist? how about the ‘wop’ party. better not be critical of their politics!!! bigots!!!

Sparkie makes no sense once again!

The Debate is over!  Global Whining has been confirmed.

docdave.  STFU about spelling

sparkless, try reading all the comments so you know when someone is responding as I was to that jerk, anon.  Anyway, comments with a lot of mispelled words and incorrect sentences detract from what a person is trying to convey.

You’r really on a role today hurling insults at everybody.  Forget to take your meds again?

Being liberal is never having to admit you’re wrong

Sparkie: I only addressed your faulty analogy; the rest you made up on your own.  Get over yourself.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

r108
I am not confused. I understand, r108 and toot, that you may have trouble interpreting the things that show up next to the little picture of the guy with a gasmask on. those are words. you know them because you believe the ones Bush says on dogmatic justification alone. i’m not asking that you extend that to my words, but just try to follow along.

zionism is a movement and a party. being critical of the movement and the party and their lobby is just like being critical of the republican movement, party, or lobby. as with the dems, as r108 points out. if one is a zionist, that does not entail that one is jewish (racially or religiously). for example, there are many african zionist christians and also many WASP zionists. Rob, in his post, equates criticism of the zionist movement’s lobby (it explicitly says that, read it) to antisemitism. My efforts thus far have only been aimed at showing how silly that is of Rob to think - its almost as silly as hating someone for their race. Its illogical. I think the claims of racism may hold more water, but unfortunately (for Rob’s moral authority on behalf of his party) I hear many republicans echoing Mr.Paul’s rationalization that black men are dangerous more or less exactly… so I would be careful classifying that as racism. The way it is worded, he would also consider people who wear hats or have long hair to be dangerous if they had a high rate of violent offenses. In the superficial world of high school gossip that is politics in America, he’s a racist and a witch! In reality… who fucking knows…

...because you believe the ones Bush says on dogmatic justification alone.

Wrong.  Unlike you, I can recognize the truth when I hear it.

BTW, I don’t give a fig about any of your hateful blather about “zionism”; it’s not an area of interest for me.  It’s usually used as an antiSemitic smear word.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

you dont give a fig because im right.

No, that’s not it; try again, troll.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

Chris Roedocker - “Its just a goddamned piece of paper.” G. W. Bush referring to the constitution.

Can you prove that?

Be careful with those quotations. You have no proof that Bush said anything like that. The story rests on anonymous sources twice removed. Quoting it as if it was undeniably said puts your own credibility into serious question.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul68.html - link to an essay Paul wrote. It clearly refutes the slander that he is racist or anti-Semite. Ron Paul values all individuals and his work towards liberty and freedom includes all persons.

Ron Paul is the ONLY real conservative running for President. He is the ONLY person who cares more about the Constitutional rights of ALL citizens than about the almighty dollar or which abortion stance is popular this week. (Gu-lyin-ani and Rich Romney)

Ron Paul WILL get thousands upon thousands of votes from people of all races who are interested in freedom, liberty, securing America’s borders, and protecting American prosperity and the rapidly eroding middle class.

Ron Paul is not a conservative; he’s a simple-minded reactionary.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

Hey, Revolution...nice spin!

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

whether or not that is true is disputable, but I know this-he said at the Tavis Smiley debate that the drug war and the death penalty should be repealed because they unfairly instituted against blacks and hispanics, and he has never not followed through on anything he said. whether he’s racist or not is a non-issue because he wouldn’t institute laws that had anything to do with race.

...he wouldn’t institute laws that had anything to do with race.

And yet that’s exactly what he proposed.  The key word he used was “unfairly”; according to whom?  The assumption that blacks aren’t guilty of the crimes for which they are punished, based only on their skin color, is the essence of racism: judging people by their race, not their deeds.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

He’s definitely a racist.  On my blog, I have used his own speeches to prove that he’s a racist (a sexist, homophobe, and religious extremist).  His racism goes way beyond his newsletter rantings.  It’s fundamental to his political philosophy.

But he’s right about Zionist lobbies shutting down debate about Israel’s treatment of Palestinians.  This is a fact, and it has nothing to do with anti-Semitism.  I can provide you with many empirical examples of the Zionist lobby shutting down debate.

Zionism is NOT Judaism. Zionism is a European-based colonial practice advanced by a minority of Jews that has resulted in apartheid and ethnic cleansing in Palestine.  Zionism must be opposed by people who believe in freedom and democracy.

There are many Jews who condemn Zionism, most notably Norm Finkelstein, Noam Chomsky, and Tony Judt.  This is why they are so viciously targeted by the Zionist lobby. 

Of course, the lobby wants you to equate Judaism with Zionism so that any criticism of Zionism and Israel is heard as anti-Semitism.  This is just like conservatives reducing criticisms of Republicans and Bush to anti-Americanism.  If you fall for that old propaganda trick, then you’re a sucker.

Zionism is a European-based colonial practice advanced by a minority of Jews that has resulted in apartheid and ethnic cleansing in Palestine.

The only case of “ethnic cleansing” that has more than quadrupled the population!

Get real.

Zionism must be opposed by people who believe in freedom and democracy.

So the only case of democracy (until the fledgling Iraq) in the Middle East must be opposed on principles of “freedom and democracy”? Not only that, but the freest nation, bar none, in the Middle East must be opposed if you believe in “freedom and democracy”?

Again - get real. Who are you trying to kid here?

This is just like conservatives reducing criticisms of Republicans and Bush to anti-Americanism.

Where does that happen? Point it out. It’s often claimed, yet nobody ever actually points out an example. Funny that, don’t you think?

Weird how people take the side of the true “ethnic cleansers” - the Muslims. Andrew Austin, you’re a despicable creature.

You don’t know what freedom is, so don’t try running that bullshit jive past us. You’re a socialist as any two second look towards your piddle blog shows. Spare us your nonsensical spiels.

Wow. What a surprise. Ole socialist Andrew up there is a Associate Professor of Social Change and Development and Chair of Sociology at the University of Wisconsin-Green Bay.

How typical. On the side of Muslims who would quickly kill his hippie ponytail wearing ass. Clueless.

Hmmmm. He’s not a polisci professor. Typical. The socialists hide in english, sociology, and the lot… if they show their faces in polisci for debate, they get their unjust ideology smeared all over the wall by the people who actually study politics. Lots of socialists hide in philosophy too. Luckly they are more prevalent in continental programs and not analytic programs… so I don’t see as many of them… but I do have to put up with a few ‘Hegel’ thumpers.

There are many reasons not to vote for Ron Paul (or any other Republican, for that matter) but racism and antisemitism are not among them.  He did not make the remarks attributed to him in this article, has denounced them, and I detest the ease with which someone can be “Swift Boated” and the canards accepted as gospel by the gullible.

I’m not a Ron Paul supporter, but it seems obvious to me that in that quote, the writer was making fun of the DC justice system, not being racist against black males. I can see how it could be read otherwise upon first glance, but it looks like it’s actually being twisted out of context. If he did make other racist remarks, then, of course he should be scrutinized for them.

On the subject of Israel, criticizing Israel on its foreign policy doesn’t make one anti-Semitic any more than criticizing Bush would make one anti-American.

There are plenty of Jewish people who criticize Zionism, too. Are you going to say they’re anti-Semitic?

"So the only case of democracy (until the fledgling Iraq) in the Middle East must be opposed on principles of “freedom and democracy”? Not only that, but the freest nation, bar none, in the Middle East must be opposed if you believe in ‘freedom and democracy’?”

You really do not know anything about Zionism, do you? Zionism does not equal Israel. And there are huge numbers of Israelis and Jewish people who are against Zionism. Therefore, being against Zionism is NOT being against Israel and is NOT being against democracy in the Middle East.

Stop trying to conflate the two and go research the matter properly.

The quoted article was written by someone other than Dr. Paul, without his knowledge.  Anyone who does any actual research on him will find that he is not, in any way, racist or anti-semitic.  In fact, he believes that lumping races in with each other for social programs and what not is inherently racist - And I agree with him. 

I find it interesting that, in the face of a mountain of evidence to the contrary, the only dirt that people can dig up on Dr. Paul is this fifteen year old article, which is then used out of context to claim that he is racist.  What is this, third grade?  Is that the best you can come up with? 

But what I really want to know is what people’s motivation is for attacking Dr. Paul in the first place.  He is, without a doubt, the most honest politician I have ever seen.  His integrity is self-evident to anyone who takes a look at his voting record, or watches any footage of him speaking.  He does not flip flop on the issues - If he believes something to be unconstitutional, that’s it.  He’s against it, and will not bend his views to suit whatever the opinion du jour is.

the only dirt that people can dig up on Dr. Paul is this fifteen year old article

That’s funny! When I ask Ron Paul supporters what he’s ever done, they can only point to an 18 year old press release about the “regulatory authority for the Know Your Customer regulation”. (Color me unimpressed!)

Robert: Maybe if Ron Paul’s supporters could separate themselves from the 9/11 Truthers (or weren’t Truthers themselves) and avoided Impeach Bush rallies, they might have a bit more credibility!

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

I’m a “paid operative”, but it’s pointless to argue with anyone who’s already made up their mind to not change their mind.  Go vote for someone that’s gonna put us in a war with Iran.  Good idea.  This country is screwed.  Anyone who deviates from mainstream politics is immediately written off as a “wacko”.

it’s pointless to argue with anyone who’s already made up their mind to not change their mind.

You’re speaking for Ron Paul supporters, I take it?

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Anyone who deviates from mainstream politics is immediately written off as a “wacko”.

Depends on the amount of deviation; with Paul and his followers, it’s considerable.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

read the newest “color of crime” report by american renassance. anyone that does not know that in fact 95% of all black men are criminals is a total lunatic. the zionist conspiracy is bullshit, it is 100% out in the open!  the fact that zionism exists and isreal is a welfair nation that only survives becasue of the stupid american government is giving them tons of money is a fact of life. they give so much money that if we stoped giving the welfair state of isreal money, our government could give every legal american 5-15 dollars a day forever and feed everyone is not a extreme idea. the fact is race matters with DNA, intelligence, crime and mental stability. 3/4 of all blacks and hispanics are violent criminals. at most 1% of all crime in america is commited by white non-hispanics. blacks are 15% of the population as is hispanics and the commit disproportionate amounts of crime. race is real, it is biological and not all people are created equal. asians nad whites are mentally healthyer and have higher I.Q. becasue of brain size and genetics. blacks are genetically made with small brains and less mental ability. no amount of PC brainwashing can erase the facts. blacks and those with black DNA are genetic criminals with the brains that are half way between apes and the human races. blacks are like donkeys and the rest of the races aer like horses. too bad when they cross breed they are no sterile like mules are..

blacks are genetically made with small brains

So, j: what’s YOUR excuse?

You don’t get out much, do you? Your nonsensical, racist tirade is not based on fact, scholarship or reason. Who feeds you this horsecrap?

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

You’re right, it is a good time for apologies rather than excuses. I mean, how good of an excuse is it that Ron Paul didn’t write the words?