One, there is no link to the other interview.

And if your ADD hasn’t kicked in, didn’t someone wiser than you exhort you to

feel free to get your news from more than one source!

Hmm! Seems to me I did!

Two, there is no source material that references that interview. Three, until you can provide that material for me to review, you are just making white noise

What a dumb shit you are! I gave links to [b]both of those other interviews! Are you always this careless when you read????? What a retard!

I dont see the words “thorn in their side” or “puppet”.

Click on the links, asshole. Either one or both. Then believe your own lying ears or not.
Then slink back here with your tail between your legs and answer the damn question, Do you believe that Musharref is a puppet of the US?

And I will be happy to look up any of those words that you f’ing don’t understand!

the differences seem pretty small to me.

That’s because, Dana, like most Klingons, you’re very perceptive!

BTW, we discriminate against very few alien races here! (Kucinich supporters gladly welcomed!)

It’s the ‘bots we’re trying to keep out. (Never did trust that Data fellow!)

Idiot.

Sign your posts at the end, Hannitized, not in the middle!
In two different interviews Ron Paul calls Musharraf a “puppet” of the United States. According to Paul, we contribute billions of dollars to Musharraf, Bhutto gets killed and we’re “in the middle of it”.
In the Fox interview, he says our support of Musharref is an “incentive to al-Qaeda” who, coincidentally claimed credit for the assassination.

So your reasoning is that Paul says the US gives incentives to al-Qaeda, we are a thorn in their side, we support a dictator who is our “puppet”, but nothing he said would lead you to believe that happened was our fault?

I would think that reasonable people would think, that if I gave you an incentive to do something and you did it, that I would be at least partially to blame. Is that your understanding? So, when Paul says the US gave al-Qaeda incentive in Paakistan he is saying that the US is to blame? Obviously not completely to blame! The cowardly, scum sucking murders who did this must assume some responsibility for their own deeds!

What about you, Hannitized? Do you believe that Musharref is a puppet of the US? Is the US the puppetmaster in Pakistan? Would that not make the US responsible for the unrest and violence over there? Idiot, indeed!

Ron Paul on Fox

Ron Paul on CNN

not true.

i voted for Bush twice, unfortunately, and have always voted republican.

I do not “blame America” for the trouble in the middle east, but I do blame our cia’s reckless intervention during the past 60 years, aka our foreign policy and that is much different than just blaming the American people, or even the American government, because our CIA has done a lot of things under our own politician’s noses, so to simply “blame America first” completely misses the point.

I am afraid that you’re wrong in your assumption that it is just as simple as pinning Ron Paul’s surge on “the blame America first guys..” or liberals for that matter, and I know that you wish it was that easy, but it’s not.

If you simply examine some of the declassified CIA documents that have been released in the last several years, it really makes you wonder the extent of their involvement in things.

take for instance: operation north woods, or operation ajax.

You can’t just blame the American people for these things, because they were classified operations. They actually drew up a plan to fake a terror attack on American soil in he early 60s, in order to garner public support for a war with Cuba! These plans were never carried out, to our knowledge, at least not at the time. just google it yourself.

Ron Paul has done an objective examination of history, and that is what is required in order to prevent ww4 from happening.. This “war on terror” is going to be the pretext to ww3, and just as ww1′s events lead to ww2, I believe that the war on terror will lead to ww3.

I hope that you will reexamine foreign policy from a historical perspective, and then take another look at what Ron is saying.

take care,

and when i (sic) say idiot…im (sic)looking at YOU Proof!

Oh, dear! I’ve been insulted by an illiterate! I must take to my fainting couch! /sarcasm
Did I mention that the illiterate in question is a foul mouthed, ADD challenged, know-nothing, dissembler who cannot follow an argument, cannot follow a link, cannot find his ass with both hands and assumes that everyone else is as intellectually dishonest as he?
Man am I going to lose sleep tonight over this!
Somebody call Spamitized and tell him I surrender! (Not!)

“We have been supporting the um… Musharraf government and he’s a military dictator, however through (I thought he said “who overthrew”) an elected government and we just gave him 10 billion dollars over the last 7 years…”

Paul says the US shouldn’t be consorting with military dictators and that is an acceptable stance, but his language (on this and other issues) seems to be a little isolationist, which isn’t a particularly good road to take for a potential US President. It may appeal to voters from across the spectrum, but not, IMO for the right reasons.

In the case of Pakistan, that country has nuclear weapons and as Bolton advocated we need to encourage martial law rather than democracy there in so Musharraf can quash the unruly elements.

It is distasteful to find oneself viewing a military dictatorship as a necessary evil, but if the alternative is nuclear weapons in the hands of Islamic extremists, I know who I’d pick.

I say we worry about America and let these dumb fucks including Israel blow each other up to smithereens without a penny of mine.

I say we walk away form the whole damn mess, sit back and watch the fireworks. Root for who you want to win, send them your own damn money but don’t take or tell me where to send mine.

stupid fuck-tard?

Ah! Getting closer to signing your name at the end.
Answer the puppet question, fuck-tard! Is Musharref our puppet like Ron Paul says. That would speak to the issue of whether he was blaming the US, wouldn’t it?
Or is your ADD kicking in early?

Paralyzed: Let me know if you ever figure it out! Buh-bye!

A puppet? No.

That’s funny! Because Ron Paul says that Musharref is our puppet. And, according to Paul, if Musharref is our puppet, then who is to blame for the unrest and violence in Pakistan? (Which, as I recall, not having ADD, was whether or not Ron Paul was blaming the US for Bhutto’s death)

But his rise to power is not a lot different than anything Chavez is doing. So if you have standards or principles, do you think it is right that he is in power? And do you feel Pervez should be continued to be supported, if so, why?

Nice try to evade the question and change the subject! I would have preferred Bhutto to be elected. That’s not going to happen now, is it?

Is Musharref our puppet? Yes or no. You say no. Paul says yes. Is Paul then saying that we are responsible for the conditions that brought about the assassination of Bhutto?
That was the topic of this post. I think if you look at all of what Paul is saying (or rather babbling about) the answer is “yes”!

If you ask me, is this one additional stance that completely disqualifies Ron Paul for any national office? Again, the answer is “Yes!” (Maybe even, “Hell, yes!”)

feel free to get your news from more than one source!

Hint: I never typed that.

I know, dumbshit, I was reminding you of what I said earlier, when I was trying to save you from yourself. I had already seen more than one interview and knew that Paul was saying a lot of stupid things.
The fact that you did not heed my suggestion just makes you…Hannitized!

What about Boltons comment? Are you upset that he said its Americas fault?

No. First of all, you’re misquoting him. He said, according to you

“America is partly responsible…”

Did he say that it was because of our “puppet government” in Pakistan? No. Because John Bolton is not a nut, or a kook or a conspiracy theorist.
And whether or not I agree with him, he is not cornpone nutcase, nor, the last time I checked, was he running for president!

Did I miss something? Because I didn’t see where he “Blamed America”.

The answer is “Yes!” Try paying attention! He blamed American foreign policy He blamed American “intervention“. Where does American foreign policy come from Hanna ditz? Duh!
BTW, feel free to get your news from more than one source! You’ll see even greater pearls of wisdom from RuPaul if you listen to anything else he’s said on the subject! /sarcasm

that’s Bolton’s opinion.

And? And? Are you serious? In your mind Ron Paul wasnt giving his opinion? What is the difference in your mind? Mental midget.

Does Bolton’s opinion contradict the point that Ron Paul blames America for the situation in far greater detail, with far more reasons, with far lesser cause?

What? Are you serious? You can’t possibly be SERIOUS?

Dude, I just proved that Ron Paul DIDNT say it’s Americas fault. I proved that he was describing what others thought. You don’t even understand what the word FAULT means. I proved that Bolton DID say we are responsible for her death, and you excuse it and dodge the fact that HE BLAMED AMERICA. Bolton specifically said WE WERE RESPONSIBLE, partly. You dont even know what THAT word means either.

You’re comparing road apples and oranges, my friend!

I am, your right. Because Bolton said its Americas FAULT (road apple). Ron Paul stated the mindset behind why the people did what they did and never said we were responsible OR AT “FAULT” for it (orange).

At this stage, I am pretty much done with you Proof, you are just to intellectually dishonest to have a serious debate with. Unless you can admit Bolton Blamed America and said were at FAULT, then I have noting to say to you.

In all honesty, I think your a bit off kilter and sort of scary.

In two different interviews Ron Paul calls Musharraf a “puppet” of the United States. According to Paul, we contribute billions of dollars to Musharraf, Bhutto gets killed and we’re “in the middle of it”.

One, there is no link to the other interview. Two, there is no source material that references that interview. Three, until you can provide that material for me to review, you are just making white noise.

So your reasoning is that Paul says the US gives incentives to al-Qaeda, we are a thorn in their side, we support a dictator who is our “puppet”, but nothing he said would lead you to believe that happened was our fault?

I dont see the words “thorn in their side” or “puppet”. Either source it, or quit referencing that remark. Now, I already explained how a person can explain the logic criminal asshats use to justify their actions or “in-cent” them to commit crime. It doesn’t meant that the motivation IS justifiable or reasonable.

If I said “jihadists are incented to attack the US because of our invasion of Iraq”, does that mean it’s our fault or justified? No, but is it a fact that they attack us for that reason? Yes.

I don’t know why you have trouble with the meaning of words or their definitions. It is your problem, not mine.

Look up the word fault and get back to me.

Rob,

Please change the title of this post.

For the ADD impaired among us:

Did he say that it was because of our “puppet government” in Pakistan? No. Because John Bolton is not a nut, or a kook or a conspiracy theorist.
And whether or not I agree with him, he is not cornpone nutcase, nor, the last time I checked, was he running for president!

AND if you really want the pièce de résistance, that’s Bolton’s opinion. (Opinions are like Hannitized…everybody’s got one!)

Here’s your sign! Er, I mean your question:
Does Bolton’s opinion contradict the point that Ron Paul blames America for the situation in far greater detail, with far more reasons, with far lesser cause?

You’re comparing road apples and oranges, my friend!

Nice try to evade the question and change the subject! I would have preferred Bhutto to be elected. That’s not going to happen now, is it?

Changing the subject? Like you did by asking me what I thought about the puppet thing?? Hypocrite!

Hey Genius, do you even know what Bhutto stood for? She said Musharref IS a dictator and she said our support of him was destroying her country and wanted to communicate to Bush that it would bring Al Qaida to Islamabab. You dont even know what you are talking about. Do you?

Is Paul then saying that we are responsible for the conditions that brought about the assassination of Bhutto?

No, and I already explained why. Bolton IS…….are you stupid?

If you ask me, is this one additional stance that completely disqualifies Ron Paul for any national office? Again, the answer is “Yes!”

I already explained what he said. You taking him out of context makes you stupid, not Ron Paul. I cant believe how delusional you are. Calm down
and use your brain.

No. First of all, you’re misquoting him.

No, not at all. He said it….ive proven that.

Did he say that it was because of our “puppet government” in Pakistan? No.

It doesnt matter, BLAMING AMERICA IS BLAMING AMERICA. Ron Paul didnt, Bolton DID. Deal with it, punk.

Because John Bolton is not a nut, or a kook or a conspiracy theorist.
And whether or not I agree with him, he is not cornpone nutcase, nor, the last time I checked, was he running for president!

Blaming America is not nutty? So saying we made a mistake and our mistake caused her death? That is not NUTTY???

They hate us because of our freedom fries.

So you are blaming America then? Because if it weren’t for our freedom fries, they would not be attacking us?

You and Ron Paul….saying it’s America’s fault!

Do you see now, dipshits, how the word RESPONSIBLE comes into play? Unless Ron said we are responsible, he is not saying it’s our fault!!

If you take it any other way, then you have to take every comment that identifies why these idiots attacks us as saying its our fault. And we don’t do that, we cant help but use words to describe the realities of why they are motivated to do their dirty deeds.

Idiots.

Paul’s problem is that he assumes that the general population has some intelligence and he doesn’t have to explain what he means in detail.

If you give a very small percentage of the population billions of dollars, the rest of the population becomes disenfranchised.

When 90% of a population becomes disenfranchised, the country they are in becomes politically unstable even though it may not be immediately apparent and may take years or even decades to become visible.

In countries comprised of a barely sane population looking for an excuse to go completely nuts, it will almost immediately show up in the form of violence.

Giving huge sums of money to countries who are getting along OK without it is more damaging than dropping bombs on them.

Proof,

What about Boltons comment? Are you upset that he said its Americas fault? Yes or no?

The answer is “Yes!” Try paying attention! He blamed American foreign policy He blamed American “intervention”. Where does American foreign policy come from Hanna

Nice. Why don’t you show me the words where he says it’s our fault? Or the words that say “America is partly responsible”? Idiot.

Now compare the sentence below to what Bolton said:

“We have been supporting the um… Musharraf government and hes a military dictator, however through an elected government and we just gave him 10 billion dollars over the last 7 years and hes supported by 8% of the people and.. that does annoy some people and there are so many factions over there theres Bhutto faction Musharraf faction and it just gives incentives for people to resort to violence, and I am opposed to that, but we dont need to be further involved over there and we shouldn’t have been supporting this military dictator anyway…”

– Ron Paul

“America is partly responsible…” -John Bolton

The captcha asks me if I’m human? Does this site discriminate against Klingons?

At the moment, I’m trying to find the qualitative differences between what Ron Paul has said and the statements of Ward Churchill — and the differences seem pretty small to me.

This is a completely absurd post. How preposterous to say a TEN TERM Republican Congressman is somehow not a Republican

I haven’t seen much that tells me he is actually a Republican, I have heard a lot of looney crap coming out of his mouth though.

and when i say idiot…im looking at YOU Proof!