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Wednesday, October 10, 2007

Ron Paul And An Interesting Approach To The Abortion Issue

Interesting.

I am also the prime sponsor of HR 300, which would negate the effect of Roe v Wade by removing the ability of federal courts to interfere with state legislation to protect life. This is a practical, direct approach to ending federal court tyranny which threatens our constitutional republic and has caused the deaths of 45 million of the unborn.

That Congress has the power to limit the jurisdiction of the courts is a little-known fact about our Constitution.  Article III Section 1 of that document states:

The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish.

Article III Section 2 states:

In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.

In short, all federal courts inferior to the Supreme Court are entirely beholden to Congress.  The legislative branch creates them as necessary, can dictate which sort of cases they can here, and can take them out of existence as well.  The Supreme Court is established by the Constitution and so must exist at all times, but Congress can again dictate to the high court which cases it can and cannot here with the exception of “cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be a party.”

So, in effect, Congress can simply tell the federal courts not to hear any case regarding abortion thus negating Roe vs. Wade.  States would be free to institute laws regulating, or even outright banning, abortion with impunity as far as the courts are concerned.

The only real drawback is that the Supreme Court could, per the Constitution, hear abortion cases filed against a state.  So ultimately, I guess the matter would still be up to the Supremes, but even that would be a better situation than what we have now.  Cases challenging state laws banning or regulating abortion would go straight to the Supreme Court which would either hear the case or refuse to hear it.

It’s an interesting approach.  Makes me wonder why it hasn’t been tried before.

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It hasn’t been tried before because, like social security, abortion is such a hot topic that congress critters are only willing to tinker with it around the edges.  Paul’s resolution is tantamount to jumping into the deep end of a murky pool head first.  I wish that more of our representatives and senators were as outspoken and fearless as Ron Paul but that won’t happen because a) Paul’s district (and the whole of Texas) is rather unique in their support and b) few of us want a congress full people who are as crazy as Paul.

kbiel on October 10, 2007 at 02:45 pm

Besides the Supreme Court feels that they can ignore the Constitution whenever they feel it’s in their best interests to do so.

The latest of this example is the Hamdan decision where the law specifically barred the judiciary from hearing cases from detainees held outside of the US.

Apparently the Supreme Court is above petty things like the rule of law.

Not to change the subject but what the Supreme Court should have ruled is that they were barred from a legally binding decision but in their opinion the military tribunals were not authorized by Congress.


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The Whistler on October 10, 2007 at 03:26 pm
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So, in effect, Congress can simply tell the federal courts not to hear any case regarding abortion thus negating Roe vs. Wade.  States would be free to institute laws regulating, or even outright banning, abortion with impunity as far as the courts are concerned.

I’m not sure I follow you here. I don’t see how this negates Roe v. Wade. If Congress had done this in 1968 and prevented the Supreme Court from ever making its decision, then it would work; but as is, the Court already rendered its decision--any act by Congress limiting their future jurisdiction of abortion cases does nothing to change their past decisions.
Dave on October 10, 2007 at 07:25 pm
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any act by Congress limiting their future jurisdiction of abortion cases does nothing to change their past decisions.

But decisions are not law.  How do you challenge a state law on abortion if federal courts will not hear your case?


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Rob on October 10, 2007 at 07:38 pm

But decisions are not law.

At the time you posted this comment, somewhere in America, a left law school professor blurted out stare decisis and started to cry.

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Well, the only way laws are enforced is through the judicial system right?  If you don’t follow the laws, you end up in court.

But if no court has the jurisdiction to hear the case…


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