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Here is problem apparently it is OK for Reid to be a Mormon but not ok for Romney. I don’t understand that. Sounds like a double standard.

I remember reading that it was a problem when Kennedy was the first catholic to be elected to the presidency.

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It is too bad that politicians feel the need to explain or defend the nature of their religious faith but I think it just goes to show that we’re not as modern in our thinking as we think we are sometimes.

goon...what significance, if any, should I attach to the fact that Reid’s Mormonism doesn’t seem to be a problem in his party while Romney’s seems to pose a problem in his?

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goon...what significance, if any, should I attach to the fact that Reid’s Mormonism doesn’t seem to be a problem in his party while Romney’s seems to pose a problem in his?

I think it is funny that it is a problem for Mitt but not for a guy that is the leader of the senate. I guess I am trying to illustrate the hypocrisy of the dems and the left.

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goon...is it Democrats that have a problem with Romney’s religion or is it Republicans?

"The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be reduced; the arrogance of the authorities must be moderated and controlled. Payments to foreign governments must be reduced if the nation doesn’t want to go bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.”
Cicero, 55 BC

goon...what significance, if any, should I attach to the fact that Reid’s Mormonism doesn’t seem to be a problem in his party while Romney’s seems to pose a problem in his?

Probably the same explanation for the Dems having no problem with Barney Frank’s gayness, while they demonize any Republican with gay slur.

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That should be: “any Republican they can”

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r108...you could be right although my impression is that it is the hypocrisy of the Republicans in question rather than their gaiety that is the target of ridicule.

"The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be reduced; the arrogance of the authorities must be moderated and controlled. Payments to foreign governments must be reduced if the nation doesn’t want to go bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.”
Cicero, 55 BC

r108...you could be right although my impression is that it is the hypocrisy of the Republicans in question rather than their gaiety that is the target of ridicule.

You, like most lefties, assume that every gay person must buy into leftie ideology, and any gay person who doesn’t is a “hypocrite”.  Not so.  In effect, you lefties believe that anyone who is gay and a Conservative or a Republican is a hypocrite.  That’s simply wrong.  That’s thinking like an ideologue.

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You, like most lefties, assume that every gay person must buy into leftie ideology, and any gay person who doesn’t is a “hypocrite”.  Not so.  In effect, you lefties believe that anyone who is gay and a Conservative or a Republican is a hypocrite.  That’s simply wrong.  That’s thinking like an ideologue.

You know you just took my thunder. Thanks…

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Sorry, goon; it was a sitting duck.  I couldn’t resist the temptation.

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Rob: I don’t think Romney is making his religion an issue on his own; because of the incessant, religion-based attacks from the lefties, he probably feels the need to counter the leftie propaganda about his religion and the role it might play for him as a Presidential candidate.  It’s sad; I wish he would just ignore all their crap.
Incidentally, the fact that Reid’s Mormonism has not been used against him by the Republicans illustrates the fact that they are religiously tolerant; not so for the lefties.

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Robert I agree with your last statement. Dems proving again that they are hypocrits.

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Please make he tells the truth the Jesus Mormons belive in is God child buy sex not god and man. Jesus is the brother of Santan in there bible. Plus they add and substited from the word of god which the bible clearly say you can’t do.

illiterate jay:

Please make he tells the truth the Jesus Mormons belive in is God child buy sex not god and man. Jesus is the brother of Santan in there bible.

Santana makes crap music.  Mormons don’t think he’s related to Jesus Christ.  What’s that one book that describes the circumstances surrounding the birth of Jesus Christ and what he did during his life (before rising from the grave)?  Oh yeah! The Bible.  Mormons believe what’s written in the that book. 

Plus they add and substited from the word of god which the bible clearly say you can’t do.

Just curious.  Where is that written in the Bible (please, no help for illiterate jay from the peanut gallery)?

r108,

Perhaps Mike was referring to recent reports that Huckabee’s rising poll numbers (relating to Republican primary goers in Iowa) are the result of concerns over his religious affiliation.  That does not negate your point.  The attacks on his religion have come from the DMSM and the left almost exclusively (note the mentally challenged ‘bonner’ above).  But it doesn’t negate his point entirely either, unless of course those poll numbers are bogus (which is entirely possible). 

Mike,

You can take from it that Iowa Republicans are succeptible to concerns about a mormon’s electability as President and that Nevada Democrats’ consider devotion to leftist dogma more important than religious affiliation (to the benefit of their movement and credit to the political instincts).

Attacks on Romney’s religion have actually come almost exclusively from the right. Why? Because evangelists form the backbone of the right’s constituency and, to these people, Pentecostal v. Methodist v. Lutheran v. Mormon is important.

The left only talks about Romney when you put him right in front of them (like on this board), otherwise, he’s not really on their mind until he wins the Republican nomination.

Besides, I think Romney is taking Hitchens’ advice, or at least posturing to do so while he manipulates indignation from you guys.

“Behind Communism, Fascism, behind all occupations and invasions lurks a more basic, pervasive evil… a parade of people marching by with raised fists and shouting identical syllables in unision.” - Milan Kundera

Rob,

Almost forgot…

And I’m wondering why I’m supposed to care.

And yet his posturing has worked, because if you didn’t care, you wouldn’t have started a discussion on it.

Romney political strategists: 1 Rob: 0

“Behind Communism, Fascism, behind all occupations and invasions lurks a more basic, pervasive evil… a parade of people marching by with raised fists and shouting identical syllables in unision.” - Milan Kundera

I hope he speechifies about the power of the magic underpants.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

HBO’s “Big Love” dramatic series
portraying polygamist/pedophiliac Mormons is going
to hurt Romney.
I don’t know how he can play
defense.

Mmmmm...leftie religious smear.  Not surprising.

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This could be a good thing.  People of faith have nothing to fear politically from a politician’s religion which is not Christian.  Most, if not all people of faith agree with the premise of liberty and our form of government; that all are created equal and possess unalienable rights. This is the philosophical common ground the vast majority of Americans share no matter what faith they practice.  If communicated well, this difference between faith and philosophy, and the shared aims of all Americans, would be very effective IMO.

r108

In effect, you lefties believe that anyone who is gay and a Conservative or a Republican is a hypocrite.

You misinterpret my comment. The hypocrisy to which I refer is the stark difference between some Republican’s words and their deeds. The ridicule directed at Senator Stark for example flows in great part from his staunch anti-gay statements and positions contrasted with his apparent private lifestyle. Personally, his sexual preference is of no interest to me but the hypocrisy he has demonstrated highlights a significant character flaw IMO.

Tim B

Attacks on Romney’s religion have actually come almost exclusively from the right.

This is what prompts my question of who is raising the issue of Mormonism. My impression is that it is indeed supporters of other Republican contestants for the Presidential nomination and some in the Evangelical community who express reservations about Romney’s nomination for religious reasons.

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The attacks on his religion have come from the DMSM and the left almost exclusively…

That has not been my experience. Perhaps various media sources you classify as DMSM have reported concerns about Romney but I would be surprised if the concern emanated from Democratic or leftist circles.

"The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be reduced; the arrogance of the authorities must be moderated and controlled. Payments to foreign governments must be reduced if the nation doesn’t want to go bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.”
Cicero, 55 BC

MikeA: Still the idealogue, I see.  You are still preaching the leftie doctrine that no one should be able to leave the leftie plantation of special interest groups.  Who better to know the downside of the gay lifestyle than a gay person?  Just because a particular politician(or a private citizen) feels compelled to engage in gay sex(they have no choice, remember?) doesn’t mean that they necessarily support the lifestyle.  In other words, your “hypocrisy” charge is simply false.  These people are simply exercising their Free Speech rights.  Once again, being gay does not oblige one to endorse the entire gay “agenda"(at least the leftie version).

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Once again, being gay does not oblige one to endorse the entire gay “agenda"(at least the leftie version).

I agree whole heartedly.

"The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be reduced; the arrogance of the authorities must be moderated and controlled. Payments to foreign governments must be reduced if the nation doesn’t want to go bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.”
Cicero, 55 BC

Attacks on Romney’s religion have actually come almost exclusively from the right. Why? Because evangelists form the backbone of the right’s constituency and, to these people, Pentecostal v. Methodist v. Lutheran v. Mormon is important.

The left only talks about Romney when you put him right in front of them (like on this board), otherwise, he’s not really on their mind until he wins the Republican nomination.

Precisely.  If you look back historically at the Mormon Church, you will see the animosity that exists towards it by the “Christians” on the Religious Right.  And the surge in the stock of a Reverend Governor is almost solely backed by the social conservatives in the Religious Right.  And despite Robertson’s endorsement of Rudy, Dobson and others have gone so far as to support the idea of a third party if their candidate--AND JESUS’s CANDIDATE--does not win the nomination.

Mormonism is a cult.  A Satanic Sect.  A bunch of ignorant pedofiles and inbred polygamists following a false God believing they can become Gods themselves. 

Ever heard a sermon on the Mormons by good God fearing Christians?  Mormons rank just below Catholics and just above Muslims in the eyes of the Religious Right.  They are all evil false followers of a fake God.  Whether it is a Pope or Muhammed or Joseph Smith.  And Romney is on the defense because the “Christians” are rallying around Huckabee.

I don’t have any problems with Christians or Evangelicals.  We need to be blind to dogma and sects and religions.  I cannot imagine that Romney will be taking orders from President Hinkley any more than Kennedy took them from the Pope.  It is the Republicans that are attacking Romney’s religion right now.  The Dems could give a shit less, until the General Election.  They don’t have time to worry about a middle tier Republican anymore than the Republicans need to worry about Edwards or Richardson right now.

Don’t kid yourself about what Evangelicals think of Mormons.  The left hates all Christians equally.  It is only the right that differentiates dogma of the different religious and can differentiate.

BTW, despite my wife’s entire family being LDS, most of my family being LDS, and owning a second home in Utah, I support Fred Thompson.

I am not Mormon, but like the hell out of Romney in many ways.  He just isn’t consistent on abortion, taxes, healthcare, etc., like I think he should be.  He says all the right things now, but his time in MA doesn’t mesh with what he says now.  Give credit though--MA doesn’t exactly want “Conservative Republicans” as governor, so I cut him a lot of slack.

My choices--Fred, Romney, Rudy, maybe Huckabee,..., Ron Paul, McCain.  In that order.  And I am from Arizona.  Hell, I like Tancredo as much as any of them, but he is a one issue candidate.

While I can support what I have said about the LDS and add more unsavory, highly heterodox items, the clean, family oriented, conservative values of the Mormon’s makes any attacks against them appear mean spirited and hateful. They are counter productive! In private, when appropriate and led of the Spirit there is a time and place to discuss the many differences between the LDS and Protestant Christianity; but to attack Mormonism and/or Romney is not a tactic I would recommend to any Christian or conservative.

Ask me if I would support Romney against Hillary? That is not even open to debate, Hillary will drag us all kicking and screaming into socialized medicine, and an era of socialism that we cannot afford, and we cannot allow her to be elected.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

In private, when appropriate and led of the Spirit there is a time and place to discuss the many differences between the LDS and Protestant Christianity; but to attack Mormonism and/or Romney is not a tactic I would recommend to any Christian or conservative.

Exceptionally well said.

Go over on the reader blogs and look at what that Asshat is saying about Mormons.

I could care less what Mormons belive but to say they Jesus is the same the one in the Bible is not correct. Just a would vote for a Jew or Mormon if they were the best person for the job no what faith they are, but Mitt Romey lied when he said he believe in the same bible I read and the same Jesus in that Bible. If Jesus isn’t God that he death for us had no meaing and wasn’t not payment for our sins on the cross. I just to hear who he say Jesus is? Is Jesus god or the created son of God when God had sex with something to make him and his brother Satan? This what mormons believe. Just tell the truth Mitt Please.

HEYGONNER - MESSENGES

JESUS TO HEYGONNER – JESUS TO HEYGONNER – “WHY DON’T YOU JUST SHUT UP!!!”

AMERICA TO HEYGONNER – AMERICA TO HEYGONNER – “REPORT TO IMMIGRATION AUTHORITIES!!!”

HEYGONNER = JAYBONNER ???

Wow. People can be extremely ignorant about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and this page proves it.

I could care less what Mormons belive but to say they Jesus is the same the one in the Bible is not correct.

I dare you to try and contrast them. The Mormon Jesus is the Bible Jesus. All that and more.

HBO’s “Big Love” dramatic series
portraying polygamist/pedophiliac Mormons is going
to hurt Romney.
I don’t know how he can play
defense.

Simple. Latter-day Saints aren’t polygamists. That show is a load of bull.

Mormonism is a cult.  A Satanic Sect.  A bunch of ignorant pedofiles and inbred polygamists following a false God believing they can become Gods themselves.

Prove it. You are wrong on every accusation.

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Grant me the serenity to ignore the trolls,
the courage to debate with honest opponents,
and the wisdom to know the difference.

^ I should have read THAT first. ^_^’

HG - People of faith have nothing to fear politically from a politician’s religion which is not Christian.

They don’t?

Some religions are also a politic. They are not separate entities.

Some religions are also a politic. They are not separate entities.

In the US, since we are not “children of the State”, we have private lives separate from govt.  According to our Constitution, that includes our particular religious choice.  Any religion which would try to also occupy the political sphere(in action, not words), would be unConstitutional.

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In the US, since we are not “children of the State”, we have private lives separate from govt.  According to our Constitution, that includes our particular religious choice.

Be that as it may, there are religions out there in the world that make no such distinctions. Given that, a claim that people of faith (or people of no faith for that matter) have nothing to fear politically from a politician’s religion which is not Christian is a claim that is a bit premature.

In regards to Romney, I see his socialist policies as a bit more important than his somewhat goofy religious beliefs. The threat Romney poses is one of government, not religion.

In regards to Romney, I see his socialist policies as a bit more important than his somewhat goofy religious beliefs. The threat Romney poses is one
of government, not religion.

Agreed.  My only objection to your previous statement is that it was a generalization, when specificity might have been more accurate.

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