Rick Santorum Apparently Hasn’t Read The 10th Amendment

In the past, Rick Santorum has described himself as a “very strong supporter” of the 10th amendment, but given his position on states legalizing gay marriage, you really have to wonder if he’s ever actually read the 10th amendment.

According to Santorum, the states do not have the right to decide the issue of marriage for themselves.

I will get involved in that because the states, as a president I will get involved because the states don’t have a right to undermine the basic fundamental values that hold this country together. America is an ideal. It’s not just a constitution, it is an ideal. It’s a set of morals and principles that were established in that declaration, and states don’t have the right, just like they didn’t have the right to do slavery.

The 10th amendment says that the states are only prohibited from doing the things the Constitution itself prohibits. It also says that the federal government can only limit state authority in those areas where the Constitution delegates power to the federal government. Because marriage is neither an issue the Constitution prohibits the states from addressing, nor an issue left to the federal government, then it is to be “reserved to the States respectively, or to the people” as the 10th amendment reads.

However Santorum or any other social conservative may feel about gay marriage, it is and should be a states issue. If the people of New York or any other state want to legalize gay marriage through the ballot or legislative process, then so be it. That’s democracy.

That Santorum is willing to trample state sovereignty in pursuit of one of his pet issues is exactly why he’s not fit to be executive. We already have a President prone to abusing executive power. We don’t need another one.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

    What do you think about Santorum’s desire to strip blacks of the welfare he says they are benefiting from, Rob?

    • sbark

      I’ve never figured out why dem’cats enjoy the level of cruelty they inflict on black americans……..from KKK and onto Welfare dependency…..

  • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

    I don’t think that Rick Santorum wants to engage in race-based entitlement reform.  In so far as he thinks America ought to spend less on welfare, I agree with him.

    We don’t have a safety net, we have a hammock.

    • Anna830

      I agree with him too
      BTW…It’s not a hammock, it’s a foundation. We need to offer a hand up not a hand out. Welfare morals breed welfare morals. It’s not only pathetically disheartening .. its downright maddening.PLUS… they tend to multiple like Tribbles.
      “Do you know what you get if you feed a tribble too much?

      A fat tribble.

      No. You get a whole bunch of hungry little tribbles.”

       

    • Jvette

      More like a lifestyle.

  • mickey_moussaoui

    Rubio is right. We have created a nation of deadbeats.

  • sbark

    ……but your OK with the Fed Govt having control over polygamy?………If anybody can marry anybody…….so anybody can marry multiple anybodies?

    Or does Libertarianism stop at Gay rights?…….or does it confilct directly with Christianity?

    …..just asking

  • Neiman

    1.  Okay already, we know you are a Paulite Libertarian and want moral anarchy. Issue settled.
    2.  No State has ever approved homosexual marriage; that is, not the people. In fact the people keep voting it down.
    3.  What you refuse to admit, you will never concede because it speaks against you, is that the Constitution must also be interpreted by what the Founding Fathers actually did, which was promote Christianity and institutionalize national moral values based on Christian values. The federal government has a role in establishing a sense of national morality, what we are as a people.
    4.  When an issue must cross state lines, meaning that what one state does will force other states to agree, then the federal government has a role.  So, if your state wants gay marriage, if these married gays move to another state, what happens, are they suddenly unmarried? Can they divorce in another state if they live there? Can’t the federal government make laws forbidding gay marriage in the military or deny Gays marriage benefits if they are federal employees? If either or both cases apply, then I do not see how you can deny the federal government a role.

    • Independent

      Why does it matter to you?  What do you prevent by preventing people from getting a stupid marriage license?

      • Neiman

        If you don’t already know, like Rob you are absent any moral and/or social values and too obtuse to engage in debate.

        • Independent

          That is the kind of answer I figured I get.  You are just another person trying to stick your nose in their business.  You are no different then the people who prevent voluntary private prayer in school.

          You probably are to ashamed to admit you afraid gay immigrants will flock here marrying US residents and your theocratic dream of stoning women who sleep around is over.  They aren’t any different then you or I, they just have different habits in the bedroom, get over your bigotry.

          • Neiman

            A.  I do not now nor have I ever nor would I ever approve of a Theocracy. While that is wholly different from our founding when our mostly Christian leaders believed in Judeo-Christian morality, they supported using the Bible is schools to teach morality, which they felt was essential for good government. It was said our government was designed for a religious people and would not work for any other kind of people.

            B. When you destroy the stable family, which you amoralists are doing, you destroy the nation, as it is the cornerstone of any stable, prosperous society. It is no coincidence that since you people kicked God out of the public square in 1962 and the family immediately began to disintegrate, our nation has fallen from world power and our economy cannot recover.

            C. If I am bigoted against a sexually perverse society that harms our nation and our families, I am proud to be such a bigot.

            D. Beyond marriage being a sacred covenant between two people, it is also a contract that emphasizes stable families and was designed to foster those stable, healthy families. Gays cannot qualify for marriage, gay marriage is an oxymoron, they cannot in any shape, manner of form be defined or operate as a family and are danger to society.

            Please note I believe in voluntary school prayer, so where you got that nonsense is beyond me.

          • Independent

            A.  Then it isn’t a moral government if it wouldn’t work for anybody but religious people.  All men are created equal, have inalienable rights and the right to pursue happiness.
            B.  The economy has nothing to do with religion and if you really believe that, you need to visit a psychologist.
             C.  Quick question……why does god make hermaphrodites if he is so against gays or his “immorality”?  Do you really think people choose to be gay?  They choose to be treated like garbage by people like you?
            D.  It it is a secret covenant between two people why do you need a marriage license?  LGBT people are already living monogamous relationships.

            I never said you were opposed to voluntary prayer in school.  I suggested you are a nosy nanny, in the like of those people.

          • Neiman

            A.  ““It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great Nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religious, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For that reason alone, people of other faiths have been afforded freedom of worship here.”  Patrick Henry 1776

            “The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected in one
            indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.” John Quincy Adams 6th US President and son of John Adams

            “God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure if we have removed their only firm basis: a conviction in the minds of men
            that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever.” – Thomas Jefferson

            We have since we kicked God out of the Public Square in 1962 and fallen as a good and moral people.

            B. The Bible also teaches us sound economic principles, which over time we have abandoned.

            C. God does not make people gay or Hermaphrodite and while they are both unfortunate, they are the result of sin and the perversion of creation through procreation, caused by lifestyles which violate God’s Law. Do you think the alcoholic or anyone with any deviant, destructive lifestyle choose them or that they choose to endure the harm involved? These are lifestyle choices and while perverse, they can be resisted and people can be helped to overcome those destructive desires and lead healthy lives. Yet, we have abandoned Nature’s God and you on the Left have told these people they need not change or resist their more destructive impulses and the heart becomes hardened and no longer sensitive to the truth and they place themselves outside of help.Oh I do not treat gays like garbage, I tell them the Truth and as able try and direct them to Christ for healing and salvation. In person I work around them and unless I am confronted and pushed to respond, you could detect not the least unkindness or rudeness. At others times I have counseled and helped them to find the help they need.

            D. I don’t have the time or inclination to instruct you on marriage and its historical recognition and of the positive role it plays in any healthy society. LGBT people are the most promiscuous people on the planet, it is at the heart of their lust filled lifestyle, with the average gay having over 90 sexual partners in a lifetime, with rare exception it is not at all a monogamous lifestyle at all.

      • Flamejob5

        Which begs the question…

        In a supposedly “free” society why should individuals require consent (license) from the general government to marry in the first place? 

        This is especially odd since both Family & Church government outdate Civil government by thousands of years. 

  • HG

    Or he just disagrees with your reading of it as applied to marriage.

    • Hal826

      Rob has said on this blog that he believes any gender combination, in any number, could constitute marriage.  Imagine 500 people who are “married” being on one family health plan, or one tax return. 

  • Brent

    He knows full well what the 10th Amendment means and he doesn’t like it.  When in the Senate and on the Presidential trail, he constantly says “… but ‘X’ issue is too important blah blah blah to be left to the States”.  He sees the 10th Amendment and, for that matter, most of the rest of the US Constitution as a suggestion, not a rule book.

  • reverendyo

    Then he is in violation of his oath of office.  Fire him, oh wait, he was fired as Pa. Senator!  Do we really need ANOTHER president who does not uphold the Constitution? 

  • reverendyo

    I am starting to believe you are such a fervent homophobic because you have man love going on inside!  Are you coming out soon, Fred? 

    You are wrong about no state ever approved gay marriage, currently 6 states allow it: Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New York, Vermont, plus Washington, D.C. and Oregon’s Coquille and Washington state’s Suquamish Indian tribesWashington, D.C. and Oregon’s Coquille and Washington state’s Suquamish Indian tribes.  Maryland also recognizes same sex marriage, but does not grant marriage licenses. 

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States

    Libertarians are NOT Libertines, we understand and accept responsibility.  So no, again you are wrong, we are not moral anarchists.   A little research would be handy and help you become somewhat believable. 

    I will agree on one point, Federal Government can forbid gay marriage to a military person, because in the military, you are now the PROPERTY of the Federal Government and have signed away your personal rights during your time in the military.  
     

    • Neiman

      If a person advocates against sexual slavery of women, in your twisted world does that make him a closet sexual slave owner? Or, if they advocate against child pornography, are they closet child pornographers? In short, to campaign or advocate against any evil, the person doing such work is, in your twisted mind, guilty of those same things in their private lives? Where does this stupidity end? You liberals love labels like racists, or in this case trying to silence opposition to your gay lifestyle as their being a secret gay. It only demonstrates your stupidity.

      It is just as ludicrous and false to accuse me of any sort of affiliation with Fred Phelps, unless you can copy/paste my words advocating for or supporting any of his actions. It is just more of your liberal name calling. It becomes even more insane when you consider mine and my family’s extensive military service to suggest I would support his actions at military funerals. Again, you only prove your own narrow minded stupidity.

      Not in even one of those States did the people vote for gay marriage, in every case it was forced upon them by liberal legislators or judges. So, your rampant stupidity marches on.

      When you libertarians talk of things like legalizing drugs, advocating for gay marriage and a host of similar issues, you are moral anarchists, in denial. You, contrary to our Founding Fathers, want no moral restraints upon the people, allowing you drug addict, homosexual, pedophile libertarians to inflict your immorality upon everyone else, denying them their own rights.

      • Independent

        We advocate for drug legalization based on the results not based on the reason it being a free for all high time
        -First off, less people abuse and seek treatment for the most dangerous drugs with the legalization of it, which isn’t intuitive but proven by statistics the Portugal experiment and the US alcohol prohibition
        -Making it illegal gives the most violent criminals a monopoly on a product and gives them more power
        -Less innocent people die as a result of battling it
        -Less people are stolen from to finance the militirization of local police departments and the lock up of criminals who committed no act of violence or force on another human being.
        -Local law authorities are more interested in arresting people for victimless crimes then arresting violent criminals because the incentives from the Federal government are higher.

        Gay marriage- seriously?  They are going to engage in monogamous relationships whether the US recognizes it or not.  Why are you so opposed to this?  The only reason you can come up with is that it will stain your reputation as being considered a married person under the jurisdiction of the United States government.

        You really need to stop obsessing about people being gay.  They are here and aren’t going anywhere.

        I take offense to that pedophile remark you coward.  If you want to call me something you can do it to my face.

        As a person who was raised Christian in a Christian home you are a pathetic example of what is supposed to be Christian.

        • Neiman

          If you believe homosexuality is not a sin, that homosexuals should be able to marry, then you were NOT raised in a Christian home. Your family may have thought they were Christian, but they didn’t know Christ or the Bible and then approve of such sin that destroys lives, destroys societies, is anti-family and antiChrist. Read about Sodom and Gomorrah, then Romans One and then Christ letters to the Churches in Revelations, which your family apparently missed.

          You can play whatever games you choose, illegal drugs destroy lives, but more important when they are legalized, the state surrenders to the law of the jungle and ceases to be moral and good and loses its right to exist. All such states implode over time, it is moral anarchy pure and simple. Look at the degree of alcohol use, abuse, it is a multi-billion dollar industry, our young people even preteens are viewed as having a right to get drunk and excuse their immoral, sexual behavior on alcohol or drugs and we all pay the price for this drug induced licentiousness. How many of those babies you kill each year were conceived with the inhibitions lowered by drugs or alcohol. No, lie to yourself, not me, drugs of any kind are excuses for all sorts of base behavior destructive of our children and society.

          Gays do not engage in monogamous relations, married or not their entire lifestyle is based on serial promiscuity, having nearly a hundred, in some cases many hundreds of sexual partners each in a lifetime. This is not about love or family, it cannot qualify anyway, this is about destroying marriage and attacking Christ that they may indulge their every sick sexual desire without guilt.

          I am not obsessing, I know they will be here, like in ancient empires their existence is the last sick symptom before that empire falls into oblivion. God told us you people would turn His Word upside down, calling that which He says is evil, like homosexuality, as being good; and, those things He calls good like life, as bad wherein you justify murdering a million innocent children every year. I am, as have every true Christian throughout the ages, reproving the world of sin, including homosexuality, that perhaps one or two might hear, repent, be healed and be saved, escaping hell. It is Christian ministry, not obsession, it is love for those homosexuals that you hate and lie into hell.

          If I were you, before you face this old Marine with your false bravado, I regret to say I have yet to get that turn the other cheek thing down very good and you might find yourself in a world of pain. But, just for the record, the “you” was applied generally to all moral anarchists. If that isn’t enough, lets get it on!

          • Independent

            You are already guilty of libel.  Are you ready for slander as well?  On tape? Are you ready to expose your identity to the public?

            I never had intentions of violence.  Just to look my accuser in the eye and for him to suffer the consequences of not hiding behind a computer.

          • Independent

            Apparently not so good at not casting the first stone and also not so good at realizing a sin is a sin, none greater or worse then being homosexual as according to the scripture.  You are the equal to a homosexual according to your religion, so you best focus on yourself instead of others.

            For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is
            guilty of breaking all of it.

      • Independent

        Netherlands to close prisons for lack of criminals

        http://vorige.nrc.nl/international/article2246821.ece/Netherlands_to_close_prisons_for_lack_of_criminals

        According to people who think like yourself…..crime and danger should be increasing after decriminalization of drugs.  At least some people know how to reduce the size of government.

        • Neiman

          Avoiding the gross immorality of the thing, anything can be justified.

  • mickey_moussaoui

    Why do homosexuals want marriage vs a civil union? For the individual state legal rights associated with marriage. Make the laws equal across the board and I’ll bet the gay rights advocates tone down their offensive.

    • Neiman

      They have always been allowed to have legal contracts between them for virtually every part of their lives, so why do they even need civil unions? It is because they want to destroy both marriage and all Judeo-Christian values and in every nation where they have been granted acceptance, divorce rates among heterosexuals soar, marriage rates plummet, Judeo-Christian morality is undermined and it is the children that suffer, not to mention society falls into a moral pit and begin their sure decline.

      • Independent

        You are paranoid.  More then anything they want to be left alone and treated the same as a straight couple.  If you leave them alone they’ll leave you alone, plain and simple.  What they want is shared health benefits for their partner, shared parental rights over children should one die, the benefits of being able to immigrate to the same country as their partner, the benefits of Social Security or Veterans benefits should one die.  The costs of those contracts you talk about have been quoted as being between $5,000 and $10,000.

        • Independent

          I don’t even know why I am defending this.  I am opposed to government even being in the marriage game.  I am just pointing Neiman is batcrap crazy.

          • Neiman

            Despite your name calling, from the dawn of man marriage has been accepted as a sacred bond, even by non-Christian societies and always between a man and woman, NEVER between two people of the same gender. It is so important to a prosperous, stable society that governments have always played a role in promoting such arrangements. It is only now, in a modern world of moral anarchy that gays have been accepted as anything other than psychologically impaired sexual perverts, girly men on the fringes of society and whether it is gay or lesbian being viewed as degenerate and vile.

            So, you will pardon me if I say that your lie about government being out of the marriage game, is just another way of destroying the family, children and society in favor of a sexually deviant class of citizens, all to be politically stylish.

        • Neiman

          While there are certainly a great many gays leading quiet lives, going to work, etc; gay people as a group are quite militant and they support the more aggressive efforts of their fellow gays and antichrist liberal pals, to force the nation to not just accept their deviant sexual lifestyle choice, as being not just normal, but laudable, as in California worthy of being promoted in every classroom as even being heroic and pillars of society.

          Everything I wrote above is based not on paranoia, but the actual facts, although I understand why you will use any method to deny those facts. As you just stated, what they want, no matter what it is called is all the benefits of marriage, a most sacred covenant to which they are not entitled, nor never can be, their relationships are based not on real love, but upon sexual lusts that are destructive of themselves, those close to them and society in general.

          Don’t worry, they will continue to grow in acceptance, even gaining approval for marriage by the people, as they like a most virulent social cancer spread their immoral rot to the final destruction of America. Their presence in Rome and Greece were the the final symptoms of their decay, just before they fell into oblivion. As went Rome and Greece, so goes America into the sewers of history, as we abandon God and to be politically stylish embrace Hedonism as a way of life.

          • Independent

            “..So, you will pardon me if I say that your lie about government being out
            of the marriage game, is just another way of destroying the family,
            children and society in favor of a sexually deviant class of citizens,
            all to be politically stylish…”

            No, I really wish they didn’t.  You tell me why you think they should.

          • Neiman

            I already have several times. Nations have always supported heterosexual marriage because stable, morally grounded families are a cornerstone of their prosperity and stability. So, nations have for most of world history supported and promoted marriage for their own good.

            They have NEVER supported gay marriage, because it sis an oxymoron – gays do not qualify.

  • Lynn Bergman

    Article I, in section 8, gives congress the power to grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water. At the time of the writing of our Constitution, such instruments were important in constitutionally authorizing the capture and execution of PIRATES. I suggest that it would be hard to argue that the over 55,000 terrorists listed on the state department website are in any significant sense different from the pirates that plagued our forefathers. Yet, as “Commander in Chief” Ron Paul would not likely carry out THAT part of his duties under our constitution as it would conflict with his rather strict adherence to libertarian ideology. Ron Paul would not give a rat’s behind about Americans travelling abroad because they chose to take the risk of foreign travel and Ron Paul is so selfish as to be concerned only for those Americans that, like himself, choose to ignore the world outside of our borders.

    And put me down as a supporter of rational thought concerning re-writing the dictionary and the bible to suit deviant behavior. Put me down for Rick Santorum for President. The states have allowed the judicial edict “Roe vs Wade” to kill millions of unborn Americans; perhaps Santorum believes that federally prohibiting the re-writing of the dictionary and Bible would simply represent “turnabout’s fair play”…

  • Paredes51069

    And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.”
    What did Ham do? Did he just look at his naked father or was there something more to it than that? Some commentators have suggested that Ham committed homosexual rape on his drunken father, and that this was why Ham’s descendants were eternally punished with slavery. 9:24

    This verse doesn’t say what the Sodomites did to make them such exceedingly great sinners, though most bible believers equate “Sodomite” with homosexual. (But see Ezekiel 16:49, which claims the sins of Sodom were pride, gluttony, sloth, greed, and failure to help the poor.) 13:13

    The two angels that visit Lot wash their feet, eat, and are sexually irresistible to Sodomites. 19:1-5

    God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah. 19:4-5, 24-25

    What did Sarah see? 21:9

    Leviticus

    Homosexual acts are an abomination to God. 18:22

    Deuteronomy

    Women are not to wear men’s clothing — it’s an “abomination unto the Lord.” 22:5

    God says not be bring any whore, sodomite, or dog into the house of the Lord. For “these things are an abomination to the Lord.” Sodomites and dogs are biblical names for homosexuals. 23:17-18

    1 Samuel

    Saul is angered by his son’s homosexual affair with David and says, “do not I know that thou has chosen the son of Jesse to thine own confusion of thy mother’s nakedness?” 20:30

    1 Kings

    “There were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations….”
    God shows his homophobia by calling gay people “sodomites” and their sexual relations “abominations.” 14:24

    Asa “did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD” by expelling homosexuals (or “sodomites”, as the good book calls them). 15:12

    Jehoshaphat “did that which was right in the eyes of the Lord” and “took” the homosexuals (sodomites) “out of the land,” or as the RSV says, “he exterminated” them. 22:43, 46
    2 Kings

    Josiah, with God’s approval, broke down the houses of the sodomites. 23:7

    Isaiah

    “They declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul!”
    The biblical god just doesn’t seem to care much for homosexuals. And he gets especially upset when “they hide it not.” 3:9

    Daniel

    “Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.”
    Some Christians think this refers to the antichrist. (He’ll be an atheist homosexual.) 11:37

    Romans

    With his usual intolerance, Paul condemns homosexuals (including lesbians). This is the only clear reference to lesbians in the Bible. 1:26-28

    Paul lists ten things that will keep you out of heaven, including homosexuality and being “effeminate.” 6:9-10

    1 Timothy

    Homosexuals (those “that defile themselves with mankind”) are included on the list of lawless, disobedient, unholy, and profane people. 1:10
    2 Timothy

    Iin the last days people will become evil, “without natural affection.” Fundamentalist say that this refers to homosexuals. 3:3

    Jude

    God sent “eternal fire” on the people of Sodom and Gomorrah for “going after strange flesh.” 7-8
    Revelation

    “Dogs [homosexuals?], sorcerers, whoremongers, idolaters” and along with anyone who ever told a lie will not enter the heavenly city.

    • Neiman

      Regarding Noah, scholars believe that because he drank wine, not being used to it fell drunk in his tent in an unseemly posture, wherein not Ham but his grandson Canaan, Ham’s son, threw a cloak over him and went out and spoke disrespectfully of him. While I believe God detests homosexuality it would be quite an assumption to turn this into a sexual act of some kind and in context seems to have something to do with Noah’s drunkenness.

    • Independent

      Why does God create human hermaphrodites?

  • Paredes51069

    I just went thru this whole gay conversation on the blog at nasville scene. You can’t have a rational conversation with the gay agenda.The more facts and truths  I spoke to them that they could not refute the madder and and uglier they got with their comments. The one thing a liberal can’t stand is a truth they cannot refute.

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