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Saturday, May 24, 2008

Rev. Jeremiah “God Damn America” Wright Will Continue To Be A Problem For Obama

Despite the left-wing media’s attempts to make it seem as though the opposite is true:

As Barack Obama makes his slow but steady way toward the Democratic nomination, the assumption in the admiring precincts of the press corps is that voters have dismissed as irrelevant his longtime association with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. But that may prove as mistaken as the assumption, back in 1988, that voters would not be impressed by Michael Dukakis’s 11-year support of a law granting weekend furloughs to convicts sentenced to life without parole, an issue brought up in the primaries by Al Gore but largely ignored in press coverage at the time. . . .

Most reporters are liberals, whose circles of friends and acquaintances have included people with views not dissimilar to those of Wright or William Ayers, the unrepentant Weather Underground bomber with whom Obama served on a nonprofit board and at whose house his state Senate candidacy was launched. Such reporters don’t find these views utterly repugnant or particularly noteworthy. But most American voters do. And they wonder whether a candidate who associates with such people agrees with them — or disbelieve him when he says he doesn’t.

Though most in the press won’t admit it, that’s a problem — for the Obama candidacy and for the whole Democratic party once it nominates him.

Like it or not, liberals, every single Democrat who has gotten elected to the White House since Lyndon Johnson has done so while campaigning as a moderate.  If anyone thinks that Obama is going to waltz into the highest office in the land carrying Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers and all the America-hating radicalism they represent on his back they’re fooling themselves.

Obama is Jimmy Carter, except not electable even a single time.  Which really makes him more like the second coming of Michael Dukakis.

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Wright is minimal compared to John McBush.

Nunez on May 24, 2008 at 10:16 pm

See, it took folks 8 years of having Bush running things before every single issue or question about any person surrounding him had been completely and thoroughly documented down to sifting through their shit with a comb looking for corn, which the folks at Democratic Underground and Daily Kos and their moonbat buddies have done.  And the media has worked as their tools to publish every rumor and innuendo.

Obama is a blank slate, a fresh canvas.  But that is only because we don’t know what colors and types of paint the folks around him use.  “God Damn America” sounds remarkably like “for the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country”.

Americans know Bush after eight years.  All they know about Obama is that he is a nice looking, professional sounding young man who wants to “unite” us and “change” us.  The media isn’t facing a real crisis of having to do actual reporting on a campaign on a day in day out basis.  These are primaries and Obama and Clinton are only getting some attention compared to what October will be like.  Obama has a lot of October surprises in his closet.  He has only been at this game for a couple of years.  Keating Five isn’t even close to Ayers and Wright.  Plus McCain has a committed track record of reform and spending cuts.  Obama has nothing.  NOTHING he can fall back on and his friends aren’t real comforting.

Justin B. on May 24, 2008 at 11:00 pm
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Once again Rob throws McCain a bone.  Unfortunately, this bone, like so many others he has thrown, has no meat on it.

As I have stated several times, nobody from SAB can articulate a reason why Wright could be a negative to how Obama can perform his job.

The only offense Rob and Rob-like people can offer, is mindless complaints and whining about racism.  What are you guys afraid of?  Being enslaved?

Unlike McCain, Pastor Hagee and Parsley will effect how McCain will be perceived in the mid east and this can cause disastrous results in how effective he is at doing his job as President.

That is an argument.  What you get from Rob, is nothing but whining and crying.  Their feelings are hurt.

Hannitized on May 25, 2008 at 12:33 am

Unlike McCain, Pastor Hagee and Parsley will effect how McCain will be perceived in the mid east

Hannitized, no one but you cares about these two guys.

Plus, no one is claiming that Wright is going to negatively affect how Obama will perform his job. The problem is that Wright shows Obama to be a complete fake and a hypocrite. Although I would argue that Wright is a complete idiot, and that if Obama relies on him for advice it will of course negatively affect his presidency. It’s pretty simple, really.

That is an argument.

Yeah, but not much of one.

Ken McCracken on May 25, 2008 at 01:14 am

As I have stated several times, nobody from SAB can articulate a reason why Wright could be a negative to how Obama can perform his job.
Unlike McCain, Pastor Hagee and Parsley will effect how McCain will be perceived in the mid east and this can cause disastrous results in how effective he is at doing his job as President.

You have yet to show why Hagee and Parsley are a strike against McCain while Wright is nothing to Obama.

Hagee and Parsley are votes to McCain. He needs their constituents to win. So he accepts their nods. Obama chose Wright before he ran for office. This was his close friend and mentor.
D-I-S-H-O-N-E-S-T-Y.

As for the Mid East, are we to NOT believe that aligning oneself with an anti-semetic preacher gets you points in the ME?


For the first time in my adult life, I am ashamed of my country.

Kenny on May 25, 2008 at 02:42 am
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hannitized - Obama’s 20 year association with Rev Wright speaks to whom a future President (or in Obama’s case, a wanna-be President) associates with. 

As Justin said, in the blank slate that is Obama, his sitting in a congregation listening to Wright’s drivel for 20 years tells me a great deal about his tolerance for anti-American sentiment.  Too high for me; so is his “tolerance” for the anti-American sentiment of Iran and Syria and others of their ilk also going to be high?

Also, I’m really tired of the media’s latest spewing of “working whites will vote for Obama - look at Iowa”, after Obama’s performance in Ohio, PA and Indiana.  What the media always neglects to point out, Iowa was pre-Reverend Wright.

patriot on May 25, 2008 at 06:07 am

Obama is Jimmy Carter, except not electable even a single time.

Unfortunately so is John McCain at least when it came to energy policy.

With John Peter McCain or Barack Obama American will return to the time of Malaise. 

With Obama in office we can expect, hope for, a Reagan to emerge.  With McCain, a FDR.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on May 25, 2008 at 07:58 am

Whistler: 

With Obama in office we can expect, hope for, a Reagan to emerge.

You’re joking, right?

With Obama in office for 48 to 96 months, we can expect a transformation of our government - foreign policy, the courts, the war on terrorism, socialized medicine, open borders, congressional redistricting, the Fairness Doctrine, affirmative action and gun control - into a socialist worker’s paradise.

McCain may not be Reagan, but your comment is absurd.


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pparets on May 25, 2008 at 08:09 am

I don’t agree.  McCain is every bit as bad for the country as Obama.

I suggest a unity ticket with them sharing the duties of President and Vice President.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on May 25, 2008 at 08:11 am

open borders,

And McCain is somehow better on the issue than Obama? 

Come-on, now that his promise of border security first is non-operative you have to drop that line.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on May 25, 2008 at 08:13 am

Whether you agree or not is beside the point, An Obama presidency means institutionalized federal socialism.

That’s OK with you?


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The times, they are a-changin’...
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pparets on May 25, 2008 at 08:21 am

No, but neither is McCain’s institutional federal socialism advanced through his energy policy and open borders policy. 

I’m not supporting either one of them.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on May 25, 2008 at 08:26 am

Obama has called for a commitment to international, global energy policies, based on the Bali Conference model. He says the world won’t say OK while we drive SUV’s and keep our homes at 72.

McCain favors a market-based, state-regulated energy policy and says we need to tap more of our own resources.


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The times, they are a-changin’...
Bob Dylan

pparets on May 25, 2008 at 08:42 am

An open border policy is the same as socialism?  Who knew.

Carrick on May 25, 2008 at 08:47 am
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You have yet to show why Hagee and Parsley are a strike against McCain while Wright is nothing to Obama.

Some major differences that make this a strike against McCain are that McCain KNEW of several of Hagee’s controversial statements BEFORE he sought them out.

Additionally, McCain selected only one specific statement to condemn.  Choosing only do condemn the statements about Catholicism and ignoring statements about Islam and ME is another major difference.

Further, McCain has TWO pastors who have similar messages, about destroying Islam.  This shows consistency and a pattern.

Lastly, these issues can seriously damage how McCain can be seen by Muslims in the ME.  Imagine if we heard the similar things from Muslim leaders who influence Iran’s leadership?  Do you think it wouldn’t concern us?

Hell, the primary reason we want to start war with Iran is because of their statements of destroying Israel, and that isn’t even the US.  Anyone who pretends these statements don’t matter to anyone (Ken) is deluded, or kidding themselves farther than any Lib.

These are all arguments I have made several times on another post.

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/mccain_distances_himself_from_hagee

Hagee and Parsley are votes to McCain. He needs their constituents to win. So he accepts their nods. Obama chose Wright before he ran for office. This was his close friend and mentor.

So it’s OK for McCain to seek out votes from racists and religious bigots and supremacists?  Further, why do you pretend that consistency doesn’t suggest something more?  This is what you guys do to Obama about Ayers and the Decemberists.  Why the glaring double standard Kenny?

As for the Mid East, are we to NOT believe that aligning oneself with an anti-semetic preacher gets you points in the ME?

I don’t understand your point?  Please elaborate.

I would think that if Muslims believe that Obama thinks more like them than some here on SAB, that would be a positive belief that could help him be more trusted.  How is that bad?

Again, the only complaint you have against Obama is that his pastor is racist.  Ok, maybe he is a bit bitter from how he was treated through life.  What is the end result that will effect how Obama does his job? 

The concerns expressed by Rob and others (Proof) are nothing more than pathetic self assurances that Obama could not be elected, combined with a bit of whining and hyperbole.

Hannitized on May 25, 2008 at 09:32 am
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Hannitized, no one but you cares about these two guys.

And now Ken completes the hypocrite circle (see below).  Thanks Ken.

If anyone thinks that McCain is going to waltz into the highest office in the land carrying Pastors Hagee and Parsley and all the Islam-hating radicalism they represent on his back they’re fooling themselves.

Plus, no one is claiming that Wright is going to negatively affect how Obama will perform his job. The problem is that Wright shows Obama to be a complete fake and a hypocrite.

Maybe.  But that is hardly a “reason” to not vote for him as president.  I am glad though, that you are starting to see this for the trivial event that it is.

Hannitized on May 25, 2008 at 09:35 am
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hannitized - Obama’s 20 year association with Rev Wright speaks to whom a future President (or in Obama’s case, a wanna-be President) associates with.

Name another like Wright that Obama “associates with”.  Why don’t you check out this link and tell me what these associations mean for McCain?  Please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFFnumjco-Y&feature=related

Hannitized on May 25, 2008 at 09:43 am

An open border policy is the same as socialism?  Who knew.

Admittedly it’s a bit more distance, but you’re going to get 1) more of a welfare state and 2) more voters coming from a socialist corrupt state willing to vote this nation more to their liking.

McCain favors a market-based, state-regulated energy

There ain’t nothing market about a cap and trade. 

Now IF carbon were a concern you could enact a revenue neutral carbon tax and let the MARKET settle it out.  Big Government John doesn’t want to see that. 

I’m sorry I see both candidates taking us on different roads to the same conclusion. 

I say stand on principle and fight.  You say let’s compromise and take the slow road and maybe a miracle will happen.  Maybe you’re right.

Maybe you’re not.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on May 25, 2008 at 09:47 am

McCain favors a market-based, state-regulated energy

If so, he’s confused, as you can’t have both.  You either let the market decide(individual citizens making individual choices), or you let the State decide(totalitarianism).


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robert108 on May 25, 2008 at 10:04 am

I think PParents is confused about what a market is.  The Soviet Union had markets. 

They just sucked because they weren’t free.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on May 25, 2008 at 10:06 am
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McCain can’t even get you guys to vote for him, how do you expect him to win?

Hannitized on May 25, 2008 at 11:31 am

Hannitized:  Hahaha!  Good One!  You FINALLY strike gold!

Whistler & robert108:  By state-regulated, McCain means by the individual states, not the feds.  And each state will decide how and when it’s resources will be tapped, and by whom.


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pparets on May 25, 2008 at 11:56 am

I don’t agree.  McCain is every bit as bad for the country as Obama.

NOT.  EVEN.  CLOSE.  Realize that the legacy of any president is tied closely to the judiciary that they leave behind.  Clinton’s judicial appointments continue to make decisions that only a Roberts run SCOTUS has recently been able to overturn.  The Appellate level especially in 9th Circuit is a much larger problem than Whistler lets on.  But it extends across multiple courts.  Obama will be worse than a disaster.  You think his appointments will not be hardcore socialists?  You think this will not lead to major encroachments on religion, gun rights, private property rights, and so on?  McCain is far from perfect, but his judicial appointments will be so much closer to the center and slightly right of center as opposed to far left that we can expect with Obama.

McCain will advocate for some fairly unpopular positions to conservatives.  But they will lack teeth and will be more or less token support for open borders, cap and trade, and so on.  Obama may advocate for similar positions on energy and immigration, but his policies will be rooted deeply in convictions that have been gained through sitting in Wrights congregation and meeting with Ayers and other far left socialists.  McCain is a moderate in most senses.  He may favor some measures to reduce greenhouse gasses but those measures will not be Bali or Kyoto.  They will be token measures that let him say that he is fighting Global Warming and not really do much.

And that is the mark of a McCain presidency.  He won’t really do much.  He will lead but not force through legislation.  He will run the country like the Senate works, slow and with little results.  Clinton and Obama don’t have any real intent or 25 years of experience sitting around and letting things move slowly while giving speeches about fairly populist positions.  They give populist speeches and have a pretty screwed up set of socialist plans going forward.  They are pandering to the middle to go hard left when elected.  McCain is pandering to the middle to stay slightly right of center, but well right of center on judicial nominees and the war on terror.

Whistler--which will have worse ramifications for the country:

Losing the war on terror and appointing socialist judges

--or--

imposing cap and trade policies with no teeth and supporting immigration reform that does almost nothing to change the status quo

Justin B. on May 25, 2008 at 11:59 am

Justin B:  BINGO!!!!


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

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pparets on May 25, 2008 at 12:04 pm

You can bash McCain all you want on the issues that he is clearly wrong on.  But in bashing his positions on those issues, you allow a few issues to override how much better he is on so many others.  How can you place the relative importance of immigration and global warming so far above the relative importance of the War on Terror, judicial appointments, tax policies, socialized medicine, and so forth?

We totally agree on McCain being wrong on immigration, global warming, McCain-Feingold, and the Gang of 14.  I think we totally agree that he is right on many other issues, or at least considerably more right. 

So what this is about is the relative importance of a few issues versus many others.  And Whistler thinks Obama will usher in some kind of new Reagan.  Yeah, that worked in Canada, France, and the UK.  It took about 40 years and impoverished their countries leaving them saddled with broken healthcare and huge entitlement bills.

Is this another Jimmy Carter as Whistler thinks or is this the start of a socialist revolution that leads us far enough down the path that there is little chance of coming back?  Maybe we get a Margaret Thatcher out of it.  She was every bit Reagan’s equal in terms of Conservative leadership.  But her legacy didn’t fix how bad the Liberals fucked up the UK.  She didn’t break the coal unions or stop the socialists.  She just slightly undid the disaster they had.

Justin B. on May 25, 2008 at 12:07 pm

If Obama wins, it will signal that the Democrat Party has truly gone over the edge and is run by Daily Kos.  Clinton is no Conservative, but as far as Dems go, she is at least part of the mainstream.

This isn’t about Dems being in power, because mainstream union democrat voters don’t and won’t support Obama.  Working whites don’t and won’t.  And we need to prove that leftists can’t win and run the country.  Lieberman went a long way towards doing that.

Obama validates Dems like Pelosi and Boxer and Kennedy and Kerry.  It marginalizes moderate Dems going against the dem leadership and holding moderate positions because they will be unelectable in swing districts if they run on Daily Kos policies.  It allows Pelosi to strongarm and lockstep her party into her Daily Kos beliefs.

Justin B. on May 25, 2008 at 12:12 pm

Thank you, Justin B!!  Your comments are right on target!!  I am astonished at some of the folks here at SAB whose attitude is: Let the country crash and burn, then we can pick up the pieces.

Problem is, there won’t be many pieces to pick up. What? Is a new Ronnie Regan gonna take justices off the court? No!  Is he gonna restart a lost war?  No! Is he going to stop a national health care plan?  No!

If Obama wins, WE ARE SO SCREWED!!


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pparets on May 25, 2008 at 12:22 pm

But in bashing his positions on those issues…

It’s not “bashing” to point out the truth about them.


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robert108 on May 25, 2008 at 01:20 pm

By state-regulated, McCain means by the individual states, not the feds. And each state will decide how and when it’s resources will be tapped, and by whom.

It’s still govt-based, not market based.


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robert108 on May 25, 2008 at 01:25 pm

I am glad though, that you are starting to see this for the trivial event that it is.

If it is so ‘trivial’, how come the Wright thing is still generating tons of heat?

Your wishing it is ‘trivial’ does not make it so.

Also, go buy yourself a dictionary, Hannitized, you obviously have no idea what the word ‘hypocrite’ means.

Ken McCracken on May 25, 2008 at 04:48 pm

robert108:  Well, for the last 100 years or so, private interests wishing to pursue and develop natural resources; coal, oil, natural gas, lumber, have been subject to government regulation of one kind or another.

Regulation is not the same thing as mationalized, government-based control/ownership such as Chavez has instituted in Venezuela.

All kinds of free enterprise, privately-owned and market-based are subject to government regulation; state, federal, county and municipal.  And most should be.

Sensible regulation has helped to make our economy the envy of the world.


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pparets on May 25, 2008 at 05:02 pm
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If it is so ‘trivial’, how come the Wright thing is still generating tons of heat?

I don’t see the news media covering it anymore than they cover McCains pastor problem.

I suppose some Americans are still offended.  But it is only an issue to the extent that people are letting it offend them. 

McCains issues will possibly hurt how effective he is at his job.  Obama on the other hand can only do better than expected.

Your wishing it is ‘trivial’ does not make it so.

It depends on what is important, vs. what isn’t.  To people who are busy looking at the issues, and how effective a candidate can be at his job, this is not an issue.

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McCains (sic) pastor problem.

I like it how he tries to use the same weasel words as the MSM. It’s just so cuuuuuuuute!



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Proof on May 25, 2008 at 05:31 pm

I don’t see the news media covering it anymore than they cover McCains pastor problem.

LOL, please. Just . . . please.

McCains issues will possibly hurt how effective he is at his job.

No more likely than Obama’s will hurt his effectiveness. This is a false premise anyway, the Wright issue is not about how it will affect Obama’s ability to do his job. Moreover, Hannitized, that never even occured to me until you brought it up. You are adding fuel to your own fire. Good job. You are expanding the reasons why Wright hurts Obama.

It depends on what is important, vs. what isn’t.  To people who are busy looking at the issues, and how effective a candidate can be at his job, this is not an issue.

And to those who look at character in a candidate and not just the issues, this has damaged Obama to a point beyond repair, most likely.

Character counts, and if Obama loses he can thank his good friend ‘Reverend’ Wright.

Ken McCracken on May 25, 2008 at 05:34 pm

Sensible regulation has helped to make our economy the envy of the world.

Wrong.  It is the virtual absence of regulation that has made our economy the best in the world, and regulators like McCain will only damage that.
Regulation, at any level, is the opposite of a “market solution”.  I thought you knew that, but maybe your McCain blinders have cut you off from economic reality.

Here’s the problem: Human-caused global warming is, at best, an hypothesis, and one that doesn’t fit the facts.  The average citizen can tell it’s not getting warmer, just by walking outside.  Until 1998, world temp(with questionable measurement ability) warmed up about one degree centigrade; since then, it has leveled off, and this year has dropped about three-quarters of that.  Trying to impose regulations and mandates based on this hypothesis is wrong, no matter who is doing it.  It’s probably the greatest threat to our way of life that exists today, maybe even more than Islamic terrorism.  McCain’s economic policy in this area will cripple our economy, if we don’t stop him by taking Congress.  It’s our only hope.  BTW, the only SCOTUS judges that are due to retire are lefties, so we don’t need a conservative President for that purpose until the next election.


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robert108 on May 25, 2008 at 05:35 pm

McCain’s economic policy in this area will cripple our economy, if we don’t stop him by taking Congress.

With all due respect, the idea that McCain will somehow be worse on the economy than Obama with a compliant and fawning Democratic congress at his beck and call, just defies logic.

McCain might end up being bad, but I guarantee you Obama will be a disaster.

Ken McCracken on May 25, 2008 at 05:40 pm

Democrats and the MSM want desperately to find equivelancy between Rev. Wright/Obama and Rev. Hagee/McCain.

It just isn’t there.  Americans don’t buy it, and won’t buy it next Fall.


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And when I say “cute”, I mean that we pointed out to Hannitized how misleading and dishonest it was to phrase it that way, but since it fits with the Han-job’s leftist agenda, expect him to use it exclusively.



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Proof on May 25, 2008 at 05:42 pm

Exactly.

The Hagee/Parsley thing just is not getting anything close to the traction that the Wright thing is STILL getting.

Come to think of it, I don’t know why we even bother disputing this with Hannitized, he lost this argument weeks ago.

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Come to think of it, I don’t know why we even bother disputing this with Hannitized, he lost this argument weeks ago.

Ken: Hannitized is the original tabula rasa.
No matter what arguments or facts you present, in what passes for his mind, the slate is wiped clean every day and you have to explain it to him all over again! He never learns. *Sigh!*



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Proof on May 25, 2008 at 05:50 pm

robert108:  When I eat at restaurants, I am comforted that potential cockroach infestations are regularly inspected.

When I fly, I am glad to know that planes are required to meet government standards.

You and I are safer because government regulation forced a reluctant auto industry to install seat belts and then airbags.

Like you, I am pleased that regulations are minimal in our economy nor did I suggest that they should be increased. 

McCain has proposed that regulation of the energy industry be moved from Washington to the state capitols. Were that to happen, Alaska would open ANWR in a heart-beat!

The environmental whackos would be forced to wage their campaigns on 50 fronts instead of focusing on the powerful “Iron Triangle” concept so useful to them in Washington.


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pparets on May 25, 2008 at 05:51 pm
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No more likely than Obama’s will hurt his effectiveness. This is a false premise anyway, the Wright issue is not about how it will affect Obama’s ability to do his job.

I am not making a comparison, Ken.  I am simply stating that the Wright issue will not effect how he could be perceived in the ME. 

McCain on the other hand should could be viewed with skepticism and mistrust.  This can damage how effective he is at doing his job and working to gain the trust of the leaders of the ME.

This is something voters should and will consider come voting time.  You can rest assured this point will be driven home by the 527s.

Moreover, Hannitized, that never even occured to me until you brought it up. You are adding fuel to your own fire. Good job. You are expanding the reasons why Wright hurts Obama.

I haven’t articulated how it could.  Because there is no way it can. 

People are insulted, and that’s about it.

Hannitized on May 25, 2008 at 05:53 pm
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The Hagee/Parsley thing just is not getting anything close to the traction that the Wright thing is STILL getting.

Ha!  Where is it still getting attention, other than on Hannity and Colmes or the right-wing blogs?

I mean, give me a break.  The liberals and the 527s are not going to let all the air out of that balloon until it gets close to November.  You have been ignoring all of the logical arguments and instead are clinging to emotional ones.

That says a lot about you and your thought process.

Hannitized on May 25, 2008 at 05:57 pm

Tell me something, HANNITIZED. Did the Iranians trust Jimmy Carter after he helped them topple the Shah and returned the Ayatollah to them from exile in Paris?


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pparets on May 25, 2008 at 06:00 pm
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...he lost this argument weeks ago.

Ha!  Well, the American public hadn’t learned about Parsely and Hagee until late in the week. 

Take a peek at this link Ken.  This is what you have to look forward to in the future.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXZbIGJrDkg

Hannitized on May 25, 2008 at 06:00 pm

McCain has proposed that regulation of the energy industry be moved from Washington to the state capitols. Were that to happen, Alaska would open ANWR in a heart-beat!

That is an absolute falsehood.  John McCain said in fact that opposite.

the senator has concluded that it’s not worth exposing 250 species of wildlife there to damage.

So anyway I can’t blame you for the falsehood because McCain says one thing one day and then another another day.  What we do know is his history where time after time he’s been wrong.

I actually thought the fact that he was lying over border security first might drop PParents McCain fixation.  Apparently not, maybe this will. 

By the way on global warming, no ‘state by state’ solution would be considered.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on May 25, 2008 at 06:09 pm

You have been ignoring all of the logical arguments and instead are clinging to emotional ones.

Well your ‘logical’ argument is an extremely weak one.

America cannot afford to have a character-crippled president who makes bad decisions and bad choices because he has no principles, or has the wrong set of principles.

That is not an emotional argument, that is an extremely logical one. And yes, that is how my thought process works, thank you very much.

Ken McCracken on May 25, 2008 at 06:14 pm
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Here is a link I stumbled on while collecting the link for McCains Spiritual Advisor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxODuhdCr-A&feature=related

This is an example of Muslim being concerned about this relationship between McCain and Parsely. 

This is just the tip of the iceberg.  It will be exposed greater at the proper time.

Hannitized on May 25, 2008 at 06:14 pm

America cannot afford to have a character-crippled president who makes bad decisions and bad choices

There you go bringing Charles Keating into the matter.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on May 25, 2008 at 06:19 pm

You call the youtube link my some stumbling broadcast to be the basis for a link?  and this?

The McCain campaign did not respond to a request for comment regarding Parsley and his anti-Islam writings. Parsley did not return a call seeking comment.


How about finding out which actual Church John McCain is a member of.

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Chief RZ on May 25, 2008 at 06:28 pm

This is just the tip of the iceberg.  It will be exposed greater at the proper time.

Hannitized, it has come and gone, no one noticed then, no one is noticing now, no one will care in November.

I don’t care how many leftist videos and muslim plants you come up with, this issue just isn’t going anywhere.

Ken McCracken on May 25, 2008 at 06:29 pm
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America cannot afford to have a character-crippled president who makes bad decisions and bad choices because he has no principles, or has the wrong set of principles.

What exactly do you call McCain, who sought out Hagee’s endorsement, AFTER hearing of the controversial statements he made????

What do you call McCain who sought after Parsley’s endorsement?

That sword cuts two ways fella.

That is not an emotional argument, that is an extremely logical one. And yes, that is how my thought process works, thank you very much.

At least Obama condemned all of Wright’s statements.  McCain still has not condemned all of Hagee’s or Parsely’s.  Talk about character crippled.

Hannitized on May 25, 2008 at 06:33 pm

...the Wright issue will not effect how he could be perceived in the ME.

Under Muslim law, he is an apostate Muslim.  His father and grandfather were both Muslim, and his early schooling was under the category of Muslim.
Racist hater Wright is an entirely different issue with us here in the US.


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robert108 on May 25, 2008 at 06:36 pm
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Hannitized, it has come and gone, no one noticed then, no one is noticing now, no one will care in November.

You say that because there has been no opportunity to see how this shows itself in the polls.  Hagee and Parsley are just now starting to get attention from the Media.

The Media has been giving McCain a pass on this since, well, forever.  Things are changing.  You will see.

I don’t care how many leftist videos and muslim plants you come up with, this issue just isn’t going anywhere.

Muslim plants?  What are you suggesting, that Muslims aren’t genuinely insulted or nervous by the association McCain has with anti-Muslim pastors who would like to start a war with Islam?

Hannitized on May 25, 2008 at 06:37 pm

At least Obama condemned all of Wright’s statements.

No he didn’t. He didn’t, for example, condemn Wright’s extremely racist statement that “white folks’ greed runs a world in need.”

Not only did Obama not condemn it, he approved it, put it in his book, and named the book after the title of the sermon in which Wright said it.

Ken McCracken on May 25, 2008 at 06:37 pm

Like you, I am pleased that regulations are minimal in our economy nor did I suggest that they should be increased.

No, but McCain has.  I repeat: Neither State govt control nor Fed govt control fit in the category of “market forces”.  McCain is preaching a false economic gospel, with his advocacy of the hoax of global warming.  He’s flat wrong, and all your rationalizations and false equivalences won’t change that.
Safety regs are not the same type of regulation as “cap and trade”.


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At least Obama condemned all of Wright’s statements.

How could he do that? According to Obama, he slept through most of them! How would he even know what they are? Heh.



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Proof on May 25, 2008 at 06:41 pm

What are you suggesting, that Muslims aren’t genuinely insulted or nervous by the association McCain has with anti-Muslim pastors who would like to start a war with Islam?

Yes.

First of all, no one but you and Mother Jones are even paying attention to it.

Second, it isn’t as if Hagee married McCain to his wife, gave McCain the title to his best-selling book, or acted as McCain’s spiritual advisor and mentor for 20 years.

Besides, any Muslim who would get upset by that has no doubt already worked himself into a lather by now anyway over Danish cartoons, shot-up Korans, or any one of hundreds of those silly things that Muslims get upset over. Some fat televangelist who says stupid things is the least of their concerns, I am sure.

Ken McCracken on May 25, 2008 at 06:42 pm
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Under Muslim law, he is an apostate Muslim.  His father and grandfather were both Muslim, and his early schooling was under the category of Muslim.

That might mean something to the Bin Laden’s of the world, but not the moderate ME leaders we work with now.

Hannitized on May 25, 2008 at 06:43 pm

With all due respect, the idea that McCain will somehow be worse on the economy than Obama with a compliant and fawning Democratic congress at his
beck and call, just defies logic.

I never made a comparison, so you’re just making that up.  McCain needs to be stopped, and so does Obama.  A conservative Congress is our only hope.  With it, we can derail all “global warming” legislation, stop terrorists from being brought here from Gitmo, get real border enforcement and block the leftie judges.

Get it?


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robert108 on May 25, 2008 at 06:45 pm

That might mean something to the Bin Laden’s of the world, but not the moderate ME leaders we work with now.

Oh, so you are admitting that it means something to the crazies like Ahmadinejad?

Interesting.

Ken McCracken on May 25, 2008 at 06:45 pm
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No he didn’t. He didn’t, for example, condemn Wright’s extremely racist statement that “white folks’ greed runs a world in need.”

Not only did Obama not condemn it, he approved it, put it in his book, and named the book after the title of the sermon in which Wright said it.

Ok, he condemned all of the controversial statements that have been constantly shown in 30 second sound bites on FOX.

McCain didn’t even condemn half of the statement’s made by Hagee or Parsley.  Shrug.

Hannitized on May 25, 2008 at 06:46 pm

What are you suggesting, that Muslims aren’t genuinely insulted or nervous by the association McCain has with anti-Muslim pastors who would like to start a war with Islam?

Hopefully, they’ll be too scared to try to attack us, for fear of what we will do to them.  You leftie appeasers just don’t get it.  I’m insulted by 9/11, strapping bombs on children, beheading videos…


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robert108 on May 25, 2008 at 06:48 pm

erail all “global warming” legislation, stop terrorists from being brought here from Gitmo, get real border enforcement and block the leftie judges.

Of those the only one we could maybe count on McCain to help would be maybe to block leftie judges.  However his history makes me doubt even that.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on May 25, 2008 at 06:49 pm
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Oh, so you are admitting that it means something to the crazies like Ahmadinejad?

No, he is not an AQ loony-bird.  Interesting you see them similarly.

If he was a Bin Laden, why would we let him come to the US and leave?  Don’t get all crazy on me now Ken.

Hannitized on May 25, 2008 at 06:49 pm

Get it?

Of course I get it, Robert.

It would be ideal if the Republicans could take over Congress. Why would I ever object to that? That would be ideal.

But . . . it just isn’t going to happen this year. Hopefully down the road it will, but it won’t in 2008.

Ken McCracken on May 25, 2008 at 06:50 pm

No, he is not an AQ loony-bird.

Hannitized, maybe you don’t know how loony Ahmadinejad is.

This is a guy who said that he was covered in a green glow when he addressed the General Assembly of the UN.

This is a guy who believes that there is a 7-year-old occulted Mahdi who is about to return and bring the end of the world.

This is a guy who believes the Holocaust is a hoax.

This is a guy who believes that Iran is a bigger superpower throughout the world than the U.S.

He isn’t loony actually, he is batshit crazy.

Ken McCracken on May 25, 2008 at 06:54 pm
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Hopefully, they’ll be too scared to try to attack us, for fear of what we will do to them.  You leftie appeasers just don’t get it.  I’m insulted by 9/11, strapping bombs on children, beheading videos…

Yeah, it’s been working for us so well so far Rob.  Notice how the recruiting for AQ terrorists has gone up and they are more powerful now than anytime since 9/11.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121150000249615875.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

In fact, it is the policies that President George W. Bush has pursued, and that John McCain would continue, that are divorced from that great tradition – and from the legacy of Republican presidents like Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

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At the heart of this failure is an obsession with the “war on terrorism” that ignores larger forces shaping the world: the emergence of China, India, Russia and Europe; the spread of lethal weapons and dangerous diseases; uncertain supplies of energy, food and water; the persistence of poverty; ethnic animosities and state failures; a rapidly warming planet; the challenge to nation states from above and below.

Instead, Mr. Bush has turned a small number of radical groups that hate America into a 10-foot tall existential monster that dictates every move we make.

The results speak for themselves.

On George Bush’s watch, Iran, not freedom, has been on the march: Iran is much closer to the bomb; its influence in Iraq is expanding; its terrorist proxy Hezbollah is ascendant in Lebanon and that country is on the brink of civil war.

Beyond Iran, al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan – the people who actually attacked us on 9/11 – are stronger now than at any time since 9/11. Radical recruitment is on the rise. Hamas controls Gaza and launches rockets at Israel every day. Some 140,000 American troops remain stuck in Iraq with no end in sight.

Because of the policies Mr. Bush has pursued and Mr. McCain would continue, the entire Middle East is more dangerous. The United States and our allies, including Israel, are less secure.

The election in November is a vital opportunity for America to start anew. That will require more than a great soldier. It will require a wise leader.

Here, the controversy over engaging Iran is especially instructive.

Last week, John McCain was very clear. He ruled out talking to Iran. He said that Barack Obama was “naïve and inexperienced” for advocating engagement; “What is it he wants to talk about?” he asked.

Well, for a start, Iran’s nuclear program, its support for Shiite militias in Iraq, and its patronage of Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza.

Beyond bluster, how would Mr. McCain actually deal with these dangers? You either talk, you maintain the status quo, or you go to war. If Mr. McCain has ruled out talking, we’re stuck with an ineffectual policy or military strikes that could quickly spiral out of control.

Sen. Obama is right that the U.S. should be willing to engage Iran on its nuclear program without “preconditions” – i.e. without insisting that Iran first freeze the program, which is the very subject of any negotiations. He has been clear that he would not become personally involved until the necessary preparations had been made and unless he was convinced his engagement would advance our interests.

President Nixon didn’t demand that China end military support to the Vietnamese killing Americans before meeting with Mao. President Reagan didn’t insist that the Soviets freeze their nuclear arsenal before sitting down with Mikhail Gorbachev. Even George W. Bush – whose initial disengagement allowed dangers to proliferate – didn’t demand that Libya relinquish its nuclear program, that North Korea give up its plutonium, or even that Iran stop aiding those attacking our soldiers in Iraq before authorizing talks.

Hannitized on May 25, 2008 at 06:55 pm

It would be ideal if the Republicans could take over Congress. Why would I ever object to that? That would be ideal.

But . . . it just isn’t going to happen this year. Hopefully down the road it will, but it won’t in 2008.

I sincerely believe if McCain’s elected it will be a whole lot longer before it happens, if ever.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on May 25, 2008 at 06:59 pm
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He isn’t loony actually, he is batshit crazy.

Ok, but it still doesn’t make him an AQ loony.  It makes him a whole new brand of loony-bird.

The point is, he isn’t going to want to behead or kill Obama.

Hannitized on May 25, 2008 at 06:59 pm

That would be ideal.

But . . . it just isn’t going to happen this year. Hopefully down the road it will, but it won’t in 2008.

I don’t think such defeatism is going to get us anywhere, much like the possible Presidency of McCain.


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robert108 on May 25, 2008 at 06:59 pm

...the moderate ME leaders we work with now.

Straight from Fantasyland.


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robert108 on May 25, 2008 at 07:01 pm

Whistler:  Let’s see if I got this right. As evidence that I uttered a falsehood, you cite your own post!!??

A post, lifted from the Washington Post, which, I might add, says:

When a man in Michigan asked him last week why the United States was not drilling in the Artic refuge and off California’s coast, McCain replied that, as a federalist, he thinks states have the right to make those decisions. [emphasis yours]

But, speaking of falsehoods, the original WP article included this, which you saw fit not to include in your post.

In December 2005, republicans were poised to open ANWR to oil and natural gas drilling, an achievement they had sought for decades.

With only days left before the critical vote, League of Conservation Voters President Gene Karpinsky and Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund president Rodger Shlickenheiser obtained a private audience with John McCain.

McCain had been on both sides of the issue over his career and the two leaders of the fight against opening the refuge were eager to know whether he would come down in their column.

His answer disappoined them. In the brief meeting, the senator said he was unwilling to risk blocking a bill involving the military at a time of war. “We told him this may be the key vote, this may be the time we win this. ...He said, Not on this bill. That was it”.

Ultimately environmental activists were able to defeat the measure with the aid of two repubican senators - Lincoln Chaffee (R.I.) and Mike DeWine (Ohio).  But they have not forgotten McCain’s decision and many say it exemplifies his approach to environmental issues. [emphasis mine]

And there’s more, much more; like McCain’s 38% rating among environmentalists compared to Obama’s 86% rating.

What troubles me, Whistler, is why you cherry-picked that article to make McCain look like a whacko, when in fact, the article shows that McCain’s record is more conservative on the environment than your post suggests.

Falsehood, indeed!


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pparets on May 25, 2008 at 07:02 pm