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Sunday, August 13, 2006


Republicans Are Declining In Numbers

From Rasmussen Reports:

Perhaps more precisely, the nation appears to be trending away from Republicans. During the month of July, Just 32.8% of Americans identified themselves as Republicans. That’s down from 33.5% the month before and just a tenth-of-a-point above the lowest level recorded over the past two-and-a-half years. These results come from Rasmussen Reports tracking surveys of 15,000 voters per month and have a margin of sampling error smaller than a percentage point.

The number of Democrats remained essentially stable—36.8% in July compared to 37.0% in June. The ranks of the unaffiliated grew to 30.4%. That’s the second highest figure since January 2004.

The number of Democrats has been consistent all year. The total range has been less than a single percentage point from a low of 36.1% in January to a high of 37.0% in June.

Republicans have suffered a loss of 1.7 percentage points since the beginning of the year.


As Sam at Save the GOP points out:

The Republican Party has proven for several years now they only give lip service to the causes they supposedly support. There is no limited government under today’s GOP. Spending and debt have increased to historical levels. Billions of dollars have been thrown away into a failed MediCare system, the No Child Left Behind Act which is not the answer to solving America’s education woes, and to abuses of post Hurricane Katrina funds.

Bush promised to fix the solvency of Social Security to avoid its inevitable collapse, and yet, today we hear nothing. Bush promised to fix the tax code and make it simpler for all Americans, and yet, we have seen nothing. Amendment after amendment have been put up in the Congress by the few true Republicans that are still around to cut out the wasteful pork spending and they have been defeated overwhelmingly by a Republican controlled Congress. While North Korea and Iran get stronger and more of a threat every day the Republican administration does a song and dance, fearing any action that would not be PC. Yet, they wasted little time tearing through Iraq, a country that is certainly not a threat on the level of the Iranian regime.

To try and take peoples’ minds off of their indescretions, they shamelessly pander to the people with Constitutional amendments that would prevent homosexual marriage and flag burning, issues that are minor problems in our country and whose timing is nothing more than sucking up to the base. If only they went after the aforementioned problems with the same fierociousness.

People respect those who stand solidly on principles and are of an honest character. You may not agree with where they stand, but you will respect their honest convictions. The Republicans are no longer an honest party and their future vitality depends on those who believe in their true message to save it.


While this citicism may seem harsh, it's spot-on analysis. At some point "the base" will have to realize that the party is just pandering to them with "window dressings" when the real problem is much deeper. The real problem is the disconnect between leadship and everyone else. At some point that gap will have to be mended, or else schism is not too far off.

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Free, you confuse me.

On one hand you complain about the GOP getting away from conservatism and disconnecting with the base.  On the other hand you appalaud their move on minimum wage as “genius.”

Which is it?


The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Rob on August 13, 2006 at 11:33 am
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I wonder what is the margin of error for the sample size taken. 1.7% is usually below the level of significance.

Dianne on August 13, 2006 at 11:46 am
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These results come from Rasmussen Reports tracking surveys of 15,000 voters per month and have a margin of sampling error smaller than a percentage point.

aNONOMISLY on August 13, 2006 at 11:48 am
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Free, you confuse me.

Well, there’s a bar in Omaha that has a sign outside that says:

“If your not confused then your not paying attention.”

On one hand you complain about the GOP getting away from conservatism and disconnecting with the base. On the other hand you appalaud their move on minimum wage as “genius.”

Which is it?

Philosophically, the GOP has lost it’s conservatism soul.  Politically, there are realities that do cause that loss of conscience.

I never said that raising the wage was staying true to conservative philosophy.  I merely felt that there are political realities that make the choice of “staying true” and beating the Dems a tough one.

Philosophically, I’m as Conersative-Libertarian.
Politically, I’m a realist and by default that makes me some form of populist.

It’s a balancing act.

FreeRepublicans.com on August 13, 2006 at 12:51 pm

“Studies show…”


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 13, 2006 at 12:54 pm
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Bezu Fache on August 13, 2006 at 01:00 pm
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Well, there’s a bar in Omaha that has a sign outside that says:

“If your not confused then your not paying attention.”

I’m not confused because of your brilliance, dummy, I’m confused because you blatantly contradict yourself yet apparently have no idea that you do so.

Philosophically, I’m as Conersative-Libertarian.
Politically, I’m a realist and by default that makes me some form of populist.

So you pay lip service to conservative ideals yet act like a populist liberal because it will make you more popular politically.

Sounds like everything that is wrong with the GOP today to me.


The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Rob on August 13, 2006 at 01:01 pm

Sorry.  Should have been; “Studies prove…”


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 13, 2006 at 01:02 pm
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So you pay lip service to conservative ideals yet act like a populist liberal because it will make you more popular politically.

Sounds like everything that is wrong with the GOP today to me.

No.  There are just some battles not worth fighting, and to me, the min. wage is one.  There are other battles to fight.

I understand that polticians have to choose their battles, I tend not to go after them for individual issues (outside of immigration) but rather for their overall position.

FreeRepublicans.com on August 13, 2006 at 01:05 pm

“Philosophically, I’m as Conersative-Libertarian.
Politically, I’m a realist and by default that makes me some form of populist.”

People who spend a lot of time in bars are confused, so maybe that’s a good saying for you.  Your professed loyalties are not only confused, they are contradictory.  Maybe you haven’t noticed that while gazing at your own navel.

A Libertarian is generally a leftie who hasn’t come out of the closet yet.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 13, 2006 at 01:05 pm
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A Libertarian is generally a leftie who hasn’t come out of the closet yet.

A Libertarian in the Republican Liberty Caucus sense of the term.

FreeRepublicans.com on August 13, 2006 at 01:07 pm

I stand by my definition.  If you examine the matter, a lot of RINOs are “libertarians” or have “libertarian” sympathies.  They are squishy.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 13, 2006 at 02:09 pm
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I stand by my definition. If you examine the matter, a lot of RINOs are “libertarians” or have “libertarian” sympathies. They are squishy.

Squishy on what?

Government Fiscal Policy or Socially Conservative Issues?

Your correct on the latter, but not the former.

FreeRepublicans.com on August 13, 2006 at 03:24 pm

Both.  One is a “libertarian” or a “moderate” because one doesn’t take a strong stand on any issues.  By definition.  Libertarians are moral relativists.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 13, 2006 at 03:26 pm
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A Libertarian is generally a leftie who hasn’t come out of the closet yet.

As one that was a libertarian for many years, I can reliably tell you that was not the way it used to be with libertarians - don’t know what it is now.  Libertarianism stood for small government, government that didn’t involve itself in the personnel lives of the people. Never met a leftie that was interested in either small government and government out of our lives.
After 9/11, Libertarianism adopted anti-war anti-Bush principles and I bailed out.  Before 9/11 I seldom voted for Republicans if there was a Libertarian on the ballot so you can call me a RINO if you wish - could care less.  But come next November I will vote and it will not be for either Democrats or Libertarians.

I believe that many ex-libertarians feel like I do given the drop in Libertarian membership.  They have been begging me to rejoin.  Not going to happen.

docdave on August 13, 2006 at 03:42 pm

dd: I will concede that there was once some credence to the concept of Libertarianism, but only because Republicans were being constantly demonized by the lefties as being racist, sexist, homophobic bigots, and by being Libertarian, you could distance from that, without actually being a leftie.  To me, it’s a lot like, “I’m against the war, but I support the troops.”  It’s the moral relativism of Libertarianism that offends me the most.  Nothing is really right or wrong…  If something is right, you should support it, and if something is wrong, you should work against it.  To me, that is where libertarianism falls down.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 13, 2006 at 03:47 pm
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After 9/11, Libertarianism adopted anti-war anti-Bush principles and I bailed out.

Same here.  Even though i did vote for Badinarik in ‘04 cause Bush was obviously going to win ND.

FreeRepublicans.com on August 13, 2006 at 04:45 pm
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It’s the moral relativism of Libertarianism that offends me the most. Nothing is really right or wrong

Actually, robert, I never saw it that way.  In fact, the Libertarians had a published platform in the early 1990s that was quite specific and detailed.  I still have copies.  [Free, you may remember David Bergland the one that authored the platform document.]  For instance section 2 is devoted to ‘The Free Market’ where the party advocated against anti-trust laws, for complete deregulation, privatization of government services, no subsidies to business or agriculture, no minimum wage, etc.  In summary, the the Libertarian market principles were to keep government intervention to a bare minimum.
Other platform planks were inplace for Domestic and Social Issues, Personal Liberties, International Relations and National Defense.
One may not agree with these policies but the Libertarians once had some that were very explicit.

docdave on August 13, 2006 at 05:43 pm
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I got involved because Economics was my thing and Harry Browne was a charismatic economic professor (if there is such a thing).

I don’t know how Browne’s LP platform compare to what was there before.  But that was/is the basis of my economic philosophy.

FreeRepublicans.com on August 13, 2006 at 06:09 pm

docdave: I guess this is where we part company.  I don’t think that real conservatism can cohabit with social liberalism.  This “freedom of action” seems like license to me.  If you think there are limitations to economic activity and govt activity but none to personal activity, there is a disconnect for me.  I also don’t think every govt regulation of business is a bad thing.  I would favor legislation mandating zero margin for stock purchases, for instance.  Margin buying distorts the market by sending a false demand signal.  The market price should be the price.  Even though I have been the beneficiary of discounted stock offerings, I would favor their disappearance.  The market price should be the sole determinant of value, IMO. I’m not wild about antitrust laws, but think they should be applied equally, to unions and sports teams, for instance.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 13, 2006 at 06:58 pm

Free: Looked up Harry Browne, and found him to be a libertarian finance guy.  Very impressive.  At first, I thought you were referring to Harry Brown, the head of the American Communist Party back in the day, but no.  In your comments concerning economics, I see none of the knowledge necessary for Harry Browne to become as celebrated as he was, so I wonder how much of his teaching you actually absorbed.  I remember you being weak and lacking knowledge on the basics of supply and demand in the market, so I wonder.  Good luck, though.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 13, 2006 at 07:05 pm
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The Republican Party has proven for several years now they only give lip service to the causes they supposedly support. There is no limited government under today’s GOP. Spending and debt have increased to historical levels. Billions of dollars have been thrown away into a failed MediCare system, the No Child Left Behind Act which is not the answer to solving America’s education woes, and to abuses of post Hurricane Katrina funds.

With nutters like this, who needs moonbats?

Whither thou goest, O once proud gop?

Oh BTW, there never was limited gov under a gop, the gop never had a soul and they can’t run a war.

No, you’re on a different planet.

realitybasedbob on August 13, 2006 at 07:09 pm
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Uh-oh, treadjacking in progress

More bad gop news:

… there is a problem with Miller’s claim: Monrovia officials say that Miller sold the land willingly and that they didn’t threaten to force him to sell.

Is there nothing a gop won’t lie about?

realitybasedbob on August 13, 2006 at 07:13 pm
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“As a Republican candidate, the challenge is to show you have even a clue about what their lives are like.”

O gop

realitybasedbob on August 13, 2006 at 07:19 pm
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Didja all see this?

Since he left a bombed-out train depot in Iraq, his gums bleed. There is more blood in his urine, and still more in his stool. Bright light hurts his eyes. A tumor has been removed from his thyroid. Rashes erupt everywhere, itching so badly they seem to live inside his skin. Migraines cleave his skull. His joints ache, grating like door hinges in need of oil.

There is something massively wrong with Herbert Reed, though no one is sure what it is. He believes he knows the cause, but he cannot convince anyone caring for him that the military’s new favorite weapon has made him terrifyingly sick.

realitybasedbob on August 13, 2006 at 07:38 pm
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In general, both major parties have been losing actual membership and poll question affiliation for a few decades now.  The fact that ~1/3rd of Americans identify as independents would have shocked political scientists in the 1950s.

As for libertarians (who are often not Libertarians), your average libertarian is for free markets and for few limits on social relations.  Your average libertarian does not support license as that term is properly understood.  In other words, “vice” by itself isn’t license.

Democritus on August 13, 2006 at 08:00 pm

rbb: If everything you said about the Republican Party was true(and it isn’t), then you should be happy.  After all, you hate Republicans, and they should up and lose in Nov, giving you the happiest day of your life, right?  Somehow, though, you aren’t happy.  Why is that?

You exploit an injured vet for your partisan hatred.  Sick.  Shame on you!  Are you doing anything to help him, I wonder?


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 13, 2006 at 08:41 pm
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I tend not to go after them for individual issues (outside of immigration) but rather for their overall position.

Sheesh.  It’s their aggregate stand on individual issues that makes up their overall position.

Regards…

LoadTheMule on August 14, 2006 at 04:59 am
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R108, what is the matter with you? Do you now believe you are cyberclairvoyant? What do you know about my happiness? I do not hate republicans. I hate the things they do. If the gop actually followed thought with their own well publicized agenda, (see many of the recent SA posts) maybe there would be something else to talk about. But they haven’t now have they? Hypocrites rarely do. Why are so many of them going to jail these days, because they love America? Or is it because they are lying scumbags who deserve no less? I admit to a having a slightly partisan overview but you truly are the partisan hack, for supporting this failed, disgraced and overwhelmingly rejected president and the utterly failed neo-con coup now in control our country.

You exploit an injured vet for your partisan hatred. Sick. Shame on you! Are you doing anything to help him, I wonder?

You’re an idiot. How twisted is your feeble partisan hack pea-brain to think that by passing on a vets story about DU, that I am the hateful one?

Ok, ok so I can’t prove the gop never had a soul. But the other two…come on now, those are givens and you can’t prove the contrary.

BTW, I am happy.

realitybasedbob on August 14, 2006 at 06:23 am
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Oh, r108, here is another one:

WASHINGTON - A former Department of Interior employee pled guilty Friday to misdemeanor charges for failing to report gifts he received from influence-peddler Jack Abramoff.

realitybasedbob on August 14, 2006 at 06:27 am
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R108, there goes another one

realitybasedbob on August 14, 2006 at 01:50 pm

There goes another threadjack alert!


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 14, 2006 at 02:01 pm
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