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Friday, May 30, 2008

“Republican” Governor John Hoeven: We Can Tax Our Way To Economic Prosperity!

That’s what I took from the Governor’s support of a sales tax increase to fund “economic development” in Cass County North Dakota.

The Governor calls himself a conservative, and yet the idea that we can tax our way to economic prosperity - giving the tax dollars to private economic development committees run by people who aren’t elected and thus are not beholden to citizens in any way - goes against the very bedrock principles of economic conservatism.

We cannot plan out economic development, and you cannot call yourself a conservative (or even a Republican like Ronald Reagan was a Republican) if you do think so.

As the Gipper once said so famously:  Government (in this instance government in the form of taxation) is not the solution to the problem.  Government is the problem.

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This isn’t even good economics, let alone conservatism.


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robert108 on May 30, 2008 at 06:20 pm

Hoeven is another clown masquerading as a Republican with no experience in the private sector, who caused me to pay MORE in state income taxes than federal taxes!
He’s a tool of the teacher unions!

Kevin on May 30, 2008 at 07:34 pm
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God damn Republicans love to raise taxes and put us in heavy deficits.

Nunez on May 31, 2008 at 11:39 am

When Republicans start taxing like Dems, it’s time for a change.


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robert108 on May 31, 2008 at 11:46 am

God damn Republicans love to raise taxes and put us in heavy deficits.

So, a leftie finally admits that raising taxes doesn’t “cure” deficits.  Hell must be freezing over.  Of course, it’s one RINO, not “Republicans”.


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robert108 on May 31, 2008 at 11:55 am
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robert108,

Haha, You freely associate tax increases to ‘Dems’, but with Republicans it’s on an individual basis. Consider the profound errors in judgement when you use sweeping generalizations on any group, be it Democrat or Republican.

a leftie finally admits that raising taxes doesn’t “cure” deficits.

How do you know I’m a ‘leftie’, do you know me? Since you don’t, I’ll let this be a reflection on judgement.

Nunez: God damn Republicans love to raise taxes and put us in heavy deficits.

There is obviously no connected made between raising taxes and ‘curing’ deficits. My reference was to the Bush Administration who has lowered taxes and put us in VERY HEAVY deficits. Since Bush has lowered taxes and put us in heavy deficits, what is your explanation, since I assume you think lowering taxes cuts the deficits in all situation.

Nunez on May 31, 2008 at 06:15 pm

The tax cuts lead to economic growth which lead to higher tax revenues.  The sad fact is the democrats and too many republicans spent even more.

Regarding Hoeven he’s got to be the greediest person in ND history.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on May 31, 2008 at 08:30 pm

The tax cuts lead to economic growth which lead to higher tax revenues.  The sad fact is the democrats and too many republicans spent even more.

Regarding Hoeven he’s got to be the greediest person in ND history.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on May 31, 2008 at 08:30 pm

Regarding Hoeven he’s got to be the greediest person in ND history.

He has to pay the out-of-state labor union bosses or risk waking up with a horses head in his bed.

Kevin on May 31, 2008 at 08:34 pm

You freely associate tax increases to ‘Dems’, but with Republicans it’s on an individual basis.

I’m right, in both cases.

How do you know I’m a ‘leftie’, do you know me?

Your words convict you.


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robert108 on May 31, 2008 at 09:06 pm

There is obviously no connected made between raising taxes and ‘curing’ deficits.

Now you’re just lying; again, your words convict you.

If you know anything, you know that the Bush administration had to rebuild our military and intel capabilities after Clinton gutted them to claim his phony “surplus”, and also had to pay for another Clinton legacy, 9/11.  Only a leftie would lie like that.  Your words convict you, leftie.
His tax rate cuts kept the deficit lower than it would have been if he had continued the destructive tax policies of his predecessor.


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robert108 on May 31, 2008 at 09:10 pm
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robert108,

Only a leftie would lie like that.

Assuming that you know more about my words that I do about them is an answer to my short prayer: “O Lord make my enemies ridiculous.” And God granted it.

Nunez on May 31, 2008 at 11:01 pm

Your own words convict you, leftie.


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robert108 on May 31, 2008 at 11:13 pm

Nunez said, My reference was to the Bush Administration who has lowered taxes and put us in VERY HEAVY deficits.

Did one cause the other? Demonstrate how if the answer is “yes”.

Congress sets the spending. Is Bush Congress?

Since Bush has lowered taxes and put us in heavy deficits...

There’s that assertion again. Did one cause the other? Demonstrate how if the answer is “yes”.

Spending more than one takes in causes deficits. Considering what happened to the federal tax rolls after the small tax cut was passed (it increased), your assertion is bunk.

The tax rate could be 100%, and we would still have deficits if the spending was beyond the take.

Does this even register with you?

...what is your explanation, since I assume you think lowering taxes cuts the deficits in all situation.

Why would you assume what robert108 thinks when all you have to do is read what he writes? He’s pretty damn clear that the out of control spending is causing the deficits. He even has proposed where the cuts in spending should start and how we can cut not only the deficit, but the debt.

Maybe you need a remedial reading comprehension class. Get up to speed and then maybe you can understand some of these simple concepts.

And Nunez? You’re a leftie. You advocate for bigger government, always advocate for higher taxes, and have an upside-down understanding of economics.

likwidshoe on June 1, 2008 at 03:56 am
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an answer to my short prayer:

Careful, Nunez! You start exhibiting religious tendencies or a belief in God and they’ll take away your ACLU card! Heh.



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Proof on June 1, 2008 at 06:09 am
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likwidshoe,

Nunez said, My reference was to the Bush Administration who has lowered taxes and put us in VERY HEAVY deficits.

Did one cause the other? Demonstrate how if the answer is “yes”.

Congress sets the spending. Is Bush Congress?

They didn’t cause the other. You assume I said, ‘Bush Administration who has lowered taxes WHICH CAUSED very heavy deficits,’ for instance if I said, “My reference was to the Nike Company who has lowered wages and makes red shoes. “ Nike lowering wages DOESNT imply in this statement that it caused them to make red shoes.

Since Bush has lowered taxes and put us in heavy deficits…
There’s that assertion again.

No. There’s your assumption again. If I said, “Since Bush mountain bikes and is an ineloquent speaker...” DOESN’T imply that mountain biking caused him to become an ineloquent speaker.

“and” DOESNT mean “caused” “means” “because”
“and” DOES NOT create a cause-effect or a complex-equivalence.

The rest of your post your simply arguing against a straw man.

Good day.

Nunez on June 1, 2008 at 12:33 pm
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Proof,

Careful, Nunez! You start exhibiting religious tendencies or a belief in God and they’ll take away your ACLU card! Heh.

Haha. wink

Nunez on June 1, 2008 at 12:34 pm

Nunez wrongly asserts, You assume I said, ‘Bush Administration who has lowered taxes WHICH CAUSED very heavy deficits,’...

Not quite. Rather, the lower taxes and increased deficits were inferred to be connected because they were repeatedly grouped together as if they were connected.

No. There’s your assumption again.

Heh. Whatever.

Learn how to effectively communicate and we won’t have these kinds of problems. When one repeatedly groups together two disparate subjects, don’t be surprised when people “assume” that you’re trying to make a connection between the two.

The rest of your post your simply arguing against a straw man.

Really? Where?

That was an easy blowoff to make, yet you don’t explain. *shrugs*

likwidshoe on June 1, 2008 at 12:41 pm

Nunez again shows itself to be a typical leftie liar.
The association was intended; otherwise why mention it?


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robert108 on June 1, 2008 at 01:33 pm

likwid: I wonder if Nunez has yet figured out what “is” is?


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