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Wednesday, April 23, 2008

Republican Congressman Wants To Ban Sale Of Playboy At Military Stores

This is sure to result in a rather heated debate:

Concerned that the military is selling pornography in exchange stores in spite of a ban, one lawmaker has introduced a bill to clean up the matter. “Our troops should not see their honor sullied so that the moguls behind magazines like Playboy and Penthouse can profit,” said Rep. Paul Broun, R-Ga., unveiling his House bill April 16. His Military Honor and Decency Act would amend a provision of the 1997 Defense Authorization Act that banned sales of “sexually explicit material” on military bases.

National Review’s Katherine Jean Lopez defends the action:

...I like the idea of the american military having nothing official to do with porn. We train our servicemen to protect and defend, in situations in which they often have to face perilous choices as who to protect and defend. Pornography is a grave indignity and degradation of the human person. If a soldier wants to view pornography, it’s his right, but the U.S. military need not provide it to him.

She continues in another post:

I honestly don’t know that a congressional action is appropriate (I naturally hesitate), but I do know that I don’t think that a congressman is a clown to broach the subject and offer a solution. Porn is a problem. Is Playboy less of one than the world wide web of hardcore porn we all have access to right now? Yes. But it’s all dehumanizing. And we should talk about it. It’s not just something people look at privately. It has consequences for honor and integrity.

I think Lopez is making a mistake common to those who wish to push their morality onto others.  There is no doubt that all laws have a basis in morals, but some morals are more universally accepted than others.  For instance, we have laws against rape, theft and murder because so many members of our society have decided that those things are immoral (and that we have certain rights pertaining to life, liberty and property) that we have decided to make them illegal.  No such universal majority exists in the instance of porn, however.

Some feel as Lopez does.  That porn is degrading and dehumanizing.  Others feel that most mainstream porn, while certainly seedy (whether or not it’s inherently seedy or seedy because it’s driven underground by overzealous moralists is a topic for another thread), is little more than entertainment which appeals to basic and perfectly natural human urges.

Given that divide, in a free society choices about porn should be left up to the individual.  Meaning, in this instance, that US soldiers are certainly capable of deciding for themselves whether or not porn is just entertainment or “dehumanizing.” Our troops no more need the government to decide what magazines are appropriate for them to peruse than they need the government to tell them what sorts of foods they can and cannot eat.

As for the assertion that the US military is providing it to them, it’s worth remembering that military BX/PX stores are there as a service and convenience to the soldiers and thus should contain all of the legal items soldiers want to purchase.  Or at least those items which are reasonable to keep in inventory, and Playboy certain falls into that category.

Comments

I would approve banning Playboy...only because the girls are not nearly as pretty as the playmates of the 70s and 80s.

Heff…

C’mon man let’s have little less piercings and tattoos, less silicone, and a little more natural beauty.

Wing Chun Geologist on April 23, 2008 at 08:49 pm

Oh...I forgot.

Who’s the one trying to take away people’s right to by cigarettes and four-wheel-drives?

Wing Chun Geologist on April 23, 2008 at 09:03 pm

disregard the last post...it was mean for another thread.

Wing Chun Geologist on April 23, 2008 at 09:04 pm

Rob: We share the same sentiments on this one. I remember when,during the first Gulf War, beer and cigarette companies wanted to send freebies to the troops. Some stuck up politicians and special interest groups wouldn’t let them do it. Why? They claimed it was an effort by the beer and cigarette industries to get soldiers hooked on their products so they would make more sales when the troops returned home. This generation of do-gooders, who have never known the stress and fear of combat, have no idea how uplifting a keg of beer or a quick smoke can be.

watashiwa on April 23, 2008 at 09:08 pm

Good to know there is time enough to be concerned about minutia like this.

Kevin on April 23, 2008 at 09:18 pm

Republicans shrinking and stealing penises.

Makes the previous post clear.

WOOF on April 23, 2008 at 09:36 pm

For once Woof is funny!

Seriously though, it’s about time that someone shielded the soldiers eye’s from such smut. I mean after a hard day’s work dodging bullets, killing Allah’s hellspawn and having to deal with the deaths of comrades...Playboy might take their innocence!

Kenny on April 23, 2008 at 10:08 pm

This comes along every few years. Some numbnutted mental midget in Congress decides that they have to “protect” soldiers from blahblah, calls a committee hearing, the current head of AAFEES stands there and nods their head and makes sympathetic noises, then leans into the microphone and slowly, using tiny littles words that morons in Congress can understand, and explains that in order to prohibit the sale of blahblah it must first be prohibited throughout the entire United States.

Items can be blocked from shipment to certain regions, based on cultural and legal strictures. Prohibition of specific items is quite another matter entirely.

AAFEES is not a part of the military chain of supply, therefore the military is not “supplying” porn to anyone.

Oh, and is numbnuts mental midget planning to block soldiers from receiving subscriptions through the mail?


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2Hotel9 on April 24, 2008 at 04:31 am

I just read the articles.


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The Whistler on April 24, 2008 at 05:34 am

For once Woof is funny!

I will second that… I thought the reason we didn’t have beer during the first gulf war was because alcohol would offend the Saudi’s they did have R and R trips to Bahran and they had beer there…


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goon on April 24, 2008 at 05:43 am

Rob,

There is no doubt that all laws have a basis in morals, but some morals are more universally accepted than others.

Note how much cleaner your argument would be if you, instead, took the philosophical stance that we ought not legislate morality at all. We legislate those values that, at minimum, prevent our free society from collapsing.

Thus, we cannot have a free society if people were free to run around rape, kill, steal, and murder each other. On the other hand, people looking at porn are not a threat to our free society.

Your argument, on the other hand, leaves room for nice big holes. Such as: On what basis do we decide what is and is not “universally accepted"… values evolve with time, should we take polls?


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Hairy Polemic on April 24, 2008 at 06:08 am

Good to know there is time enough to be concerned about minutia like this.

My first thought as well: good to know these a-holes got everything else buttoned-up, and that they can screw around with junk like this. Broun needs to get a clue, and Congress needs to stop thinking it’s their jobs to protect people from themselves.


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Hoss on April 24, 2008 at 10:09 am
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Maybe we could trade a Playboy magazine for each American troop deployed on foreign soil.  We could tell the Taliban & their wanna-be’s that all the models are virgins, hot & ready & waiting for them.  They’ll follow their talliwhackers to the virgins, we eliminate them all at once.  With their pants down.  Then laugh at them.

Paul Broun is an idiot if he honestly thinks that Americans are really concerned about this.  I’m an American, my tax dollars are helping to pay for this & frankly, I don’t give sh*t. 

Call me radical, but I’m just a bit more concerned about the cost of gas & the fact that our elderly citizens are debating whether cat food is more nutritious than dog food and whether they’d prefer food or medicine this month.

Rosa on April 28, 2008 at 02:21 pm

Dogfood is definitely more better for you.


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The Whistler on April 28, 2008 at 02:26 pm

A bit of a correction. Tax dollars are not being used to delivery Playboy to anyone. AAFEES is not a part of the military chain of supply.


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2Hotel9 on April 28, 2008 at 05:20 pm

Dogfood is definitely more better for you.

Korean gourmets swear by that.

Kevin on April 28, 2008 at 08:14 pm
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