puzz? Rob did not write the headline or article. Why are you not attacking the authors thereof? Could it be because they are your ideological soulmates? They hate the military almost, ALMOST, as much as you and your Party do. Could that be why you are attacking Rob, instead of attacking AP? You know? The assholes who wrote the headline and article?

Neither, 2h9. My point was that depression and PSTD are mental illnesses. To minimize the health conditions of our returning soldiers makes it much more difficult for their adjustment back into civilian life.

The stigma of a mental illness needs to stop. They returning soldiers need medical treatment. Rob was definitely attempting to minimize the medical conditions of these soldiers as being ‘a little depressed or stressed”.

And no not all returning members are “mentally unhinged” but it is clear that you and Rob still believe that mental illness is a stigma and not a medical condition that needs to be treated. Our returning soldiers need better treatment in this area not being stigamatized by you and Rob.

FYI Rob. The headline that has your panties in a bind
was done by none other than AP. That should say it all. That is not the military’s position or attitude. If you would have done a little homework before you posted, you would have shot down your own argument. Here is a link to DOD on the matter.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=49604

Sorry you feel that way Carrick. I didn’t say anything about you looking like a back-woods, corn pone , inbred ass pirate. But touche

Passage of the new GI bill will go a long way to improve all facets of health and welfare of our troops while they are on and off duty.

What is McCain’s position on that bill?

And to preempt your further stupidity, I have dealt with it ever since.

It ain’t the bang or boom. It is the flash. You never hear it. You see it. And it matters not that your mind tells your body”no danger”, the body remembers.

Hmmm, I believe Americans generally over-diagnose in the first place…

However, I think Marines and their lives are prone to depression and mental illnesses. This is because they serve hard in the military and come home to a bleak life, of which they had no time to maintain. Both worlds sort of drain them.

I heard of a guy that accidentally killed Iraq civilians. 1 month after his tour, he killed himself.

Puzzlefeet, you pathetic tool.

I’d be willing to bet probably half the people who have read this very post (myself included) have battled depression at one time or another in their lives. If you had said I had “mental problems,” I would take it as an insult. “Mental problems” indicates problems, not a treatable illness. As in, “you’re all fucked up.” I’m terribly sorry that “mental problems” carries negative connotations, but it’s not right-wingers’ fault for that, you fool. I would dare you to walk up to an OIF/OEF vet and say he or she has “mental problems,” but I’d rather you NOT insult them more then you already have.

I guess all you have is complaints about semantics, so that says you’ve got nothing of any value whatsoever to say about this post. You know, considering Rob was complaining about their choice of words himself.

You sound like a dishonest hack drowning in a bucket of FAIL. LOL.

Lestat. You are wrong.

Go fight for the country, but when you come back make sure you don’t dare ask for medical care

I worked for the local VET center. People were seen in less than one hour on an emergency basis and have free treatment in groups or individually. We have some counsellors who do not have a “full plate” Our of 850 that returned a few years ago, we saw five and another center saw three. We saw six for five months after which the soldiers stopped coming. 11/850 = about 1% Now there were a few who were trying to get money from the VBA, but had no real interest in any “treatment” or cure, but those few were Vietnam Era Vets. Some were not in-country.

WTF 2h9 your hilarious. When did the big bad flash happen? An m-80 blow off in your hand?
Quit fuckin with the people on these posts , you aint no vet. Your a slimy liar and attack poodle for Rob.
Judging from your posts its impossible the military could ever had accepted you. Maybe, just maybe the Salvation Army……nah

exhibit and anxiety

whoops

now Im all stressed out

It ain’t the bang or boom. It is the flash. You never hear it. You see it. And it matters not that your mind tells your body”no danger”, the body remembers.

Bama? Meet boob. boob? Fuck off.

They are under a great deal of pressure, working long hours in dangerous life and death situations. Of course they will experience some issues. That doesn’t change the importance of the mission in the Middle East either. This nation needs to continue to work harder at improving all facets of health and welfare of our troops while they are on and off duty.

The article also mentions physical injuries. And it states that most vets and soldiers who don’t get treated CHOOSE to not get treated…including in cases of head injury.

_Only 43 percent reported ever being evaluated by a physician for their head injuries.

_Only 53 percent of service members with PTSD or depression sought help over the past year.

_They gave various reasons for not getting help, including that they worried about the side effects of medication; believe family and friends could help them with the problem, or that they feared seeking care might damage their careers.

Soldiers deciding to not get PTSD or a head injury checked out of fear of their career is a big deal. The health of a unit depends on each and every soldier. If were sending people back out that are not physically or mentally healthy, that can get a lot of our boys killed. So, if nothing else, we need to get rid of the stigma of seeking help being a bad thing.

And the story ALSO talks about the VA busting their asses off to make the problem better.

She said officials have been working to add thousands more mental health professionals to help the uniformed psychiatrists, psychologists and others struggling to meet the wartime demands of troops and their families. Across the services, officials are trying to hire over 1,000 additional staff, companies providing health care by contract to the Pentagon have added over 3,000 in the last year and the U.S. Public Health Service has provided some 200, she said. The veterans department also has added some 3,800 professionals in the last couple of years, officials there said.

It doesn’t look like the AP is making this a bigger deal than it is. It looks like theyre being fair for once.

Just because liberal bias is pervasive…doesn’t mean it’s under EVERY rock and bed Rob.

Why don’t you tell us, boob? And supply that extensive and exhaustive list of the THOUSANDS of innocent American citizens persecuted under the Patriot Act and FISA.

Sorry, folks, but I stand by what I wrote. Rob was minimizing the seriousness of the issue by writing “a little depressed” or ‘stressed” when clearly the article spoke of symptons of depression and PSTD, both mental illnesses.

That most here don’t like what I wrote is clearly the stigma of mental illness rearing its ugly head, that somehow because someone has depression or PSTD, you have better not tell them what is wrong with them.

Get over it, this is why many soldiers don’t seek treatment for depression or PSTD because of the way most of you have reacted on this thread.

The fact is that the VA is unable to meet the long term needs of our returning soldiers who will continue to face medical mental problems.

If the article was titled: “Nearly 1 in 5 troops has physical problems after war service”, none of you would have said a thing nor would Rob have written a post on it. But because the word “mental” was used, it became the thread and fear of mental illness/problems ran rampant through the thread.

You will note, Bama, that puzz attacks Rob, not the author of the article or Associated Press, who published the article and headline.

Feeling “a little depressed” or “stressed”? That’s what you call it. Ask these soldiers if they are a “little depressed” or “stressed”?

The article itself talks of soldiers who showed symptoms of depression. Symptoms. And based on that, the headline says they have “mental problems.”

I, for one, am not ok with telling people who have “symptoms” of depression that they have “mental problems.”

God, Rob, depression and PSTD are considered mental illnesses. You are trying to minimize the medical conditions of these soldiers.

If you were feeling depressed, Puzzled, and I told you that you had “mental problems” how would that make you feel?

Not very good, I’d warrant. And I doubt the soldiers who are feeling depressed and/or stressed don’t like being told they have “mental problems” either.

I’m not minimizing the problem. I said in the post that I’m glad people are raising awareness on some of these issues. But I’m also pointing out that it’s being exaggerated to further a political agenda.

And I’m right about that too.