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God, Rob, depression and PSTD are considered mental illnesses.  You are trying to minimize the medical conditions of these soldiers. You wouldn’t be saying the same thing if the soldier had a “physical” injury, like a gunshot or an amputation, that’s for sure.

Feeling “a little depressed” or “stressed”?  That’s what you call it.  Ask these soldiers if they are a “little depressed” or “stressed”? They are mental problems and they will need extensive treatment. 

This is why mental illness is still stigmatized today.  Because you think these guys are just “a little depressed” Go back and read what happened to these guys at Walter Reed. It is hardly surprising that these soldiers are being diagnosed with mental illness.  It is people like you who are stigmatizing them by failing to recognize the very real medical conditions they guys have.

Shame oh you, Rob.

puzz? That is the same ratio as when I left US Army in 1985. What is your point? That ALL members of the military are mentally unhinged? Or just the ones that don’t vote for Democrats?

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Neither, 2h9.  My point was that depression and PSTD are mental illnesses.  To minimize the health conditions of our returning soldiers makes it much more difficult for their adjustment back into civilian life. 

The stigma of a mental illness needs to stop.  They returning soldiers need medical treatment.  Rob was definitely attempting to minimize the medical conditions of these soldiers as being ‘a little depressed or stressed”.

And no not all returning members are “mentally unhinged” but it is clear that you and Rob still believe that mental illness is a stigma and not a medical condition that needs to be treated.  Our returning soldiers need better treatment in this area not being stigamatized by you and Rob.

Hmmm, I believe Americans generally over-diagnose in the first place…

However, I think Marines and their lives are prone to depression and mental illnesses.  This is because they serve hard in the military and come home to a bleak life, of which they had no time to maintain.  Both worlds sort of drain them.

I heard of a guy that accidentally killed Iraq civilians. 1 month after his tour, he killed himself.

No, puzz. Your point is you want to gain control over the lives of as many soldiers as you can, thus making you oh, so important. The ratio has remained static for 23 years. Pray tell, what could this mean?

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No, as I wrote before it is you and Rob, that are trying to stigamitize these returning soldiers who are in need of extensive medical treatment for their mental illnesses.  You and Rob think that it is a sign of weakness if a soldier is depressed and has PSTD.  That is the dirty little secret that somehow a gunshot wound or an amputation is a sign of heroics but depression and PSTD is a sign of weakness.

That is what I meant and that is what I said.  That you don’t get it 2h9 is neither here nor there.

And to preempt your further stupidity, I have dealt with it ever since.

It ain’t the bang or boom. It is the flash. You never hear it. You see it. And it matters not that your mind tells your body"no danger”, the body remembers.

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If I experienced what our soldiers do and came back here and heard all the whining by the slackers, I’d go nuts, too!

This is a disgusting post. 

It just shows you are all about the mission and give a shit about the troops. 

“Go fight for the country, but when you come back make sure you don’t dare ask for medical care.”

Only a cowardly little shit could write this post.

1 in 5 people you meet on the street may also have depression and exibit stress related symptoms. A recent radio news program mentioned that psychologists are now treating people for axiety attacks related to global warming fears. I have no doubt that 1 in 5 are nuts because there are alot of Democrats out there.

exhibit and anxiety

whoops

now Im all stressed out

God, Rob, depression and PSTD are considered mental illnesses.  You are trying to minimize the medical conditions of these soldiers.

If you were feeling depressed, Puzzled, and I told you that you had “mental problems” how would that make you feel?

Not very good, I’d warrant.  And I doubt the soldiers who are feeling depressed and/or stressed don’t like being told they have “mental problems” either.

I’m not minimizing the problem.  I said in the post that I’m glad people are raising awareness on some of these issues.  But I’m also pointing out that it’s being exaggerated to further a political agenda.

And I’m right about that too.

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"Only a cowardly little shit could write this post.”

Thats funny, lestupid? I did not see your name beneath the title of this post. You ghosting under Rob’s name now?

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Feeling “a little depressed” or “stressed”?  That’s what you call it.  Ask these soldiers if they are a “little depressed” or “stressed”?

The article itself talks of soldiers who showed symptoms of depression.  Symptoms.  And based on that, the headline says they have “mental problems.”

I, for one, am not ok with telling people who have “symptoms” of depression that they have “mental problems.”

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The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

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If someone had symptoms of appendicitus,would you be comfortable telling them it might be appendicitus?

Play dumb if you want, Puzzled, but I know a lot of people who would take offense at being told they have “mental problems.”

It’s a loaded term, and certainly not one soldiers who are perhaps struggling with a bit of depression should be subjected to.

You know, it is ok to admit that I’m right once in a while.

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The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

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No. Because it could well be gastroenteritis. You would actually have to “diagnose” what it was.

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It’s only a loaded term because you have have a stigma about mental illness.  It is just like a physical injury.  And until we come to grips that a mental illness is just like a physical illness, people like you will still consider a mental illness a “loaded term”. 

Mental illnesses are treatable just like a physical injury.  People like you fail to realize this and want to hide from the reality that our soldiers coming home from this war will have mental injuries as well as physical injuries.

And you know Rob, it would be ok if you would do a bit of homework on mental illness and get over your fear of it.

It’s only a loaded term because you have have a stigma about mental illness.

Ok, Puzzled.  Go up to some vet who is suffering from depression and tell him/her that they have “mental problems.” See what their reaction is.

That headline was inappropriate, and sensationalized to further an anti-war agenda.

Mental illnesses are treatable just like a physical injury.  People like you fail to realize this and want to hide from the reality that our soldiers coming home from this war will have mental injuries as well as physical injuries.

And you know Rob, it would be ok if you would do a bit of homework on mental illness and get over your fear of it.

My fear of mental illness?  This is what I actually wrote in the post:

Now, personally, I think it’s great that some out there are trying to raise awareness about the sort of challenges our veterans face.

I fully recognize that many soldiers suffer from mental disorders upon return from the war zone.  You forget that I am the son of a Vietnam veteran who saw no small amount of combat.  I am familiar with it.

What I have a problem with is these vets’ struggle being co-opted by the media so that it can be sensationalized to pursue an anti-war agenda.

That’s wrong, no matter how you slice it.  But keep trying to spin this into me thinking these mental orders don’t exist.

It’s just like how Obama does it.

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The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

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puzz? Rob did not write the headline or article. Why are you not attacking the authors thereof? Could it be because they are your ideological soulmates? They hate the military almost, ALMOST, as much as you and your Party do. Could that be why you are attacking Rob, instead of attacking AP? You know? The assholes who wrote the headline and article?

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Nothing new here: John Kerry and the lying media demonized and lied about our soldiers in Vietnam, and they have been even busier trying to smear our soldiers in Iraq.  If I had been risking my life fighting terrorism in the ME while listening to all the lies being told about me and my efforts, I’d be depressed too.  The Dems/MSM created this, and now they are using it as an excuse to declare defeat.  Nice.

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"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

Puzzlefeet, you pathetic tool.

I’d be willing to bet probably half the people who have read this very post (myself included) have battled depression at one time or another in their lives.  If you had said I had “mental problems,” I would take it as an insult.  “Mental problems” indicates problems, not a treatable illness.  As in, “you’re all fucked up.” I’m terribly sorry that “mental problems” carries negative connotations, but it’s not right-wingers’ fault for that, you fool.  I would dare you to walk up to an OIF/OEF vet and say he or she has “mental problems,” but I’d rather you NOT insult them more then you already have. 

I guess all you have is complaints about semantics, so that says you’ve got nothing of any value whatsoever to say about this post.  You know, considering Rob was complaining about their choice of words himself.

You sound like a dishonest hack drowning in a bucket of FAIL.  LOL.

You will note, Bama, that puzz attacks Rob, not the author of the article or Associated Press, who published the article and headline.

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from Beth:

I guess all you have is complaints about semantics

more Beth:

If you had said I had “mental problems,” I would take it as an insult.

“Mental problems” indicates problems, not a treatable illness.

I’m terribly sorry that “mental problems” carries negative connotations

I would dare you to walk up to an OIF/OEF vet and say he or she has “mental problems,”

I guess all you have is complaints about semantics

You sound like a dishonest hack drowning in a bucket of FAIL.

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Bama? Meet boob. boob? Fuck off.

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It ain’t the bang or boom. It is the flash. You never hear it. You see it. And it matters not that your mind tells your body"no danger”, the body remembers.

WTF 2h9 your hilarious. When did the big bad flash happen? An m-80 blow off in your hand?
Quit fuckin with the people on these posts , you aint no vet. Your a slimy liar and attack poodle for Rob.
Judging from your posts its impossible the military could ever had accepted you. Maybe, just maybe the Salvation Army......nah

Spike is a retarded idiot.

FYI Rob. The headline that has your panties in a bind
was done by none other than AP. That should say it all. That is not the military’s position or attitude. If you would have done a little homework before you posted, you would have shot down your own argument. Here is a link to DOD on the matter.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=49604

Sorry you feel that way Carrick. I didn’t say anything about you looking like a back-woods, corn pone , inbred ass pirate. But touche

Sorry, folks, but I stand by what I wrote.  Rob was minimizing the seriousness of the issue by writing “a little depressed” or ‘stressed” when clearly the article spoke of symptons of depression and PSTD, both mental illnesses.

That most here don’t like what I wrote is clearly the stigma of mental illness rearing its ugly head, that somehow because someone has depression or PSTD, you have better not tell them what is wrong with them.

Get over it, this is why many soldiers don’t seek treatment for depression or PSTD because of the way most of you have reacted on this thread.

The fact is that the VA is unable to meet the long term needs of our returning soldiers who will continue to face medical mental problems. 

If the article was titled: “Nearly 1 in 5 troops has physical problems after war service”, none of you would have said a thing nor would Rob have written a post on it.  But because the word “mental” was used, it became the thread and fear of mental illness/problems ran rampant through the thread.

puzz: “Mental problem” has a large pejorative connotation.

Have you ever been depressed?
Yes, I’ve always suspected you had mental problems!

More accurate, and less inflammatory, would have been “One in five Iraq/Afhanistan Vets Suffer Depression/ Other Mental Problems

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Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

And again, puzz, that is the same ratio as in the mid ‘80s. So your faux outrage at Rob is just that, fake. Want to know why so many vets don’t ask for help? They don’t want to have to deal with condescending oh, so superior assholes like you. We would far rather just live our lives without your kind injecting your “We are better than you cause you were in the military” horseshit into them.

spude mcfartsalot? The point Rob made was that “journalists” keep trashing vets, when the actual statistics show the opposite. Vets are not psychopathic rapist murders, running through America killing every single living thing they encounter. Your fine with the unending lies about veterans. Leftarded Democrats such as you hate the military and piss all over anyone who served.

Again, no thanks needed. It was my privilege to serve my country, and do my small part to provide the freedom and security you live in.

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PROZAC FOR ALL!

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They are under a great deal of pressure, working long hours in dangerous life and death situations. Of course they will experience some issues. That doesn’t change the importance of the mission in the Middle East either. This nation needs to continue to work harder at improving all facets of health and welfare of our troops while they are on and off duty.

Passage of the new GI bill will go a long way to improve all facets of health and welfare of our troops while they are on and off duty.

What is McCain’s position on that bill?

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“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Why don’t you tell us, boob? And supply that extensive and exhaustive list of the THOUSANDS of innocent American citizens persecuted under the Patriot Act and FISA.

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The article also mentions physical injuries. And it states that most vets and soldiers who don’t get treated CHOOSE to not get treated...including in cases of head injury.

_Only 43 percent reported ever being evaluated by a physician for their head injuries.

_Only 53 percent of service members with PTSD or depression sought help over the past year.

_They gave various reasons for not getting help, including that they worried about the side effects of medication; believe family and friends could help them with the problem, or that they feared seeking care might damage their careers.

Soldiers deciding to not get PTSD or a head injury checked out of fear of their career is a big deal. The health of a unit depends on each and every soldier. If were sending people back out that are not physically or mentally healthy, that can get a lot of our boys killed. So, if nothing else, we need to get rid of the stigma of seeking help being a bad thing.

And the story ALSO talks about the VA busting their asses off to make the problem better.

She said officials have been working to add thousands more mental health professionals to help the uniformed psychiatrists, psychologists and others struggling to meet the wartime demands of troops and their families. Across the services, officials are trying to hire over 1,000 additional staff, companies providing health care by contract to the Pentagon have added over 3,000 in the last year and the U.S. Public Health Service has provided some 200, she said. The veterans department also has added some 3,800 professionals in the last couple of years, officials there said.

It doesn’t look like the AP is making this a bigger deal than it is.  It looks like theyre being fair for once.

Just because liberal bias is pervasive...doesn’t mean it’s under EVERY rock and bed Rob.

Lestat.  You are wrong. 

Go fight for the country, but when you come back make sure you don’t dare ask for medical care

I worked for the local VET center.  People were seen in less than one hour on an emergency basis and have free treatment in groups or individually.  We have some counsellors who do not have a “full plate” Our of 850 that returned a few years ago, we saw five and another center saw three.  We saw six for five months after which the soldiers stopped coming.  11/850 = about 1% Now there were a few who were trying to get money from the VBA, but had no real interest in any “treatment” or cure, but those few were Vietnam Era Vets.  Some were not in-country.

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