Remember: Any Vote To Advance The Health Care Bill Is A Vote For The Health Care Bill

One aspect of votes in the Senate that a lot of Americans may not be aware of is that any final bill must survive two votes before it passes in the chamber. The first vote is called a cloture vote and requires 60 votes to pass. The cloture vote is a vote to end debate. If a bill doesn’t get a successful cloture vote it is considered to have been filibustered.
The second vote is a straight up-or-down vote that actually passes the bill. It only requires a simple majority.
This is important to remember as the health care bill goes to the Senate. A trick a lot of politicians like to play in order to fool their constituents into thinking they didn’t really vote for something is to give a bill a “yes” vote on cloture only to turn around and vote against the final vote. Because the final vote requires less support than the cloture vote, Senators who might be in hot water for voting for a particular vote can vote for it on cloture but then vote against it on final passage while still seeing the bill pass. Thus, they can go back to their constituents and say “see, I voted against the bill!”
The problem is that they didn’t, really, which is the point of this ad from Republicans targeting Senator Byron Dorgan on that very issue:


Remember, a vote for cloture is a vote for the bill. If Dorgan truly opposes this bill, he shouldn’t be voting for cloture or for the bill.

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  • http://Array sayanything-4603

    I wish he’d get rid of that live rat he uses for a hair peice it has turned into a parasite,maybe that is why he can’t tell the truth his mind is being devored by it

  • sayanything-4603

    the only time Dorken believes in capitalizom is when he stills money in the form of taxes buy setting up straw dog demons or his lies to his surfs in ND

  • sayanything-4603

    also the insurance reflects costs drs & hostpitals not paid for by gov mandates .immigrents using emergeny rooms like clinics for free health care. you can wait 2hrs to get a couple stiches,and every one there waiting can’t speek english

  • sayanything-8606

    And we need 20 million more of them.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    No, there’s a lack of competition in the health care industry. People just
    don’t care how much their health care costs because the third-party insurer
    is picking up the tab.

    We need more individual responsibility. That will promote competitiveness
    and bring prices down.

  • doriscpas

    Then let each patient read and approve their respective healthcare bill
    before the insurance company pays

    Most interesting though the same people that are uninsured can afford
    iphones, internet, cable, and tailgate parties.

    This has to do with personal choice and money management rather than
    competition.

    Doris & Company, CPAs
    443 N. Alma School Road
    Mesa, Arizona 85201
    Phone: (480) 969-7955
    Fax: (480) 969-1624
    http://dorisandcompanycpas.com

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    No, we need to focus on introducing market forces to the health care
    markets.

    Health insurance is unaffordable because health care prices have gone
    through the roof. Health care prices have gone through the roof because
    most of us are separated from the actual expense of our health care by
    multiple layers.

    Most of us don’t pay for our health care directly. Most of us aren’t even
    really the customers for our health insurance. We get our coverage through
    third parties, and we pay for our care through those third parties with the
    majority of the expense being absorbed by the third parties.

  • doriscpas

    That is true any vote to advance the healthcare bill is a vote for higher taxes, higher healthcare premiums, and less healthcare coverage. We are focusing on the wrong issue. We need to focus on healthcare coverage rather than healthcare insurnce.

  • doriscpas

    Hi Rob,
    “DorisCPAS” is out of the office until Dec…. so I just wanted to let you
    know that I will give him your message, it will just be awhile before he can
    reply back to you, ok.

    Thanks,
    Stephannie

    Doris & Company, CPAs
    443 N. Alma School Road
    Mesa, Arizona 85201
    Phone: (480) 969-7955
    Fax: (480) 969-1624
    http://dorisandcompanycpas.com

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