Religious Persecution In America

US Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) makes rem

The utter lack of respect for religion from Democrats and the Obama administration is nothing short of shocking. Democrats like former Obama chief-of-staff and current Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel have been attacking a business, Chick-fil-A, because the owners don’t share their social views.

And that’s just one example. The Obamacare laws contains mandates for health care coverage that will force many business owners to make a choice between their faith and their businesses. Case in point, Hercules Industries which is owned by a Catholic family. It’s a profitable business, employing hundreds of people compensating them in part with a generous health plan, but one that doesn’t cover abortion or other devices/medications/procedures Catholics find immoral.

Because of that, the business is to be punished by the Obama administration:

The Newland family owns and operates Hercules Industries, a Colorado-based corporation that manufactures heating, ventilation and air-conditioning equipment. Through their hard work and dedication, and through their willingness to reinvest their own money in building their family business, they have managed to create jobs for 265 people while exerting a positive influence on the communities they serve.

The Newlands believe the morality the Catholic faith teaches them must animate their lives not only within the walls of the churches they attend, but literally everywhere else, as well — in the way they deal with their families, their neighbors and, yes, their business.

The Newlands sued to protect their free exercise of religion in this regard because Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius issued a regulation, under the Obamacare law, that requires virtually all health care plans to cover — without cost-sharing — sterilizations, artificial contraception and abortifacients.

Under Obamacare, businesses that employ more than 50 people must provide their employees with insurance or pay a penalty, and the required insurance must include the mandated cost-sharing-free coverage for sterilizations, artificial contraception and abortifacients.

At Hercules Industries, the Newlands provide a generous self-insured health-care plan to their employees.
It does not cover sterilization, artificial contraception or abortifacients.

Our nation was founded upon the principle of religious liberty. In fact Thomas Jefferson, the greatest of our founding fathers (in my humble opinion), listed accomplishments on his tomb that included the fact that he was the author of the Virginia Declaration on Religious Liberty (something he valued more than the fact that he was the 3rd president).

But in an America governed by Obama and Democrats, freedom of conscience and religion are almost non-existent. Businesses are attacked because their ownership holds the wrong social views. Public policy punishes businesses run in accordance with certain religious doctrines.

Forcing Catholics to pay for contraception, and attacking Chick-fil-A because they differ from Democrats in their views on homosexuality, is as odious as forcing a Muslim grocer to sell pork. Or forcing a Synagogue to shut down because a given politician doesn’t like Jews.

This is religious persecution, pure and simple. I’m an atheist, and I agree neither with the Catholics on contraception (though I’m pro-life) or Chick-fil-A on gay marriage. But I stand for liberty, and the freedom of religion is under assault right now.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • WOOF

    Insurance is paid for by the labor of workers.
    Contraception and abortion are health choice
    between patients and their physicians.

    • schreib

      Most women seeking an abortion never see a doctor. They just go to an abortion mill, give the money to the receptionist and then they are called in and led out the door when done. You call that health care????

      • WOOF

        schreib describing coat hanger abortions that were popular before abortion became legal.
        Two for one, killed women and fetus.

        • robert108

          They could just choose to have the baby they created.

          • WOOF

            Choose, the operative word.
            Free people making free choices.

          • robert108

            Exactly, so if they choose to commit a crime, they choose the consequences. When they choose to do what makes babies, they choose to be responsible for birthing that baby, caring for it, raising it and instilling the proper values in it.
            Actually, “free people making free choices” is a description of our free enterprise economic system, but having intercourse and dealing with the consequences is about moral values, which aren’t marketed like iPods. Big difference.

          • Wayne

            So you are against the Obamatax mandates.

    • robert108

      “Insurance is paid for by the labor of workers.”

      Wrong. “Workers” are paid wages by a business owner for their labor in the running of his business. They then purchase another product from another business, insurance, with those wages. No capital investment, no capital investor and manager, no need for “workers” or their labor. Without capital investment, all labor is bare subsistence.

      • WOOF

        Before capital was labor.
        Most Americans are insured through their work.
        They earn their insurance through their labor.
        Insurance is integral to their compensation not separate.

        • robert108

          “Before capital was labor.”

          Wrong. Without capital, all labor is subsistence, and creates no wealth. Maybe if you mean the labor of giving birth…

          • WOOF

            God created the heavens, the earth and man.
            God forced man into labor for his sin and from that labor came capital, the wages of sin.
            Labor came first.

          • robert108

            You continue the same lie, although your dogged insistence on telling it is understandable. Capital is not a “punishment”, it’s deferred consumption, the reward for frugality. You greedy left wingers want to spend everything, including other peoples’ money, then whine because you are poor, but it’s your choice.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Patton/592034163 Andrew Patton

            Adam worked even before the Fall. The punishment was that his work would require much more effort to achieve much less result than before, and furthermore that he and his offspring would be subject to pain, disease and death.

        • Bat One

          Most Americans are insured through their work

          An anomaly of the federal tax code… and a wrong-headed one at that. The coverage is the employee’s, but the policy itself and the deductibility belong to the emloyer.

          Insurance is integral to their compensation not separate.

          Not necessarily at all.

        • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

          Why do they hate Abe?

          Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.

          President Abraham Lincoln
          Message to Congress, December 3, 1861

          • robert108

            Nobody “hates” Abe, propagandist; he got that wrong, although he got free the slaves from their Democrat slaveowners exactly right.
            Again, without capital, all labor is subsistence, and creates no wealth. You can’t build an economy on labor; it takes capital and management to build and sustain wealth.

          • Onslaught1066

            Why do they deny their glorious leader?

            “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.” Barack Obama 7-13 2012.

        • Wayne

          Until Obamacare.

        • mickey_moussaoui

          “Insurance is integral to their compensation not separate.” ..woof
          NOPE. WRONG.
          Employer offered insurance is optional and separate. It is NOT compensation. You are NOT taxed for having insurance IF you choose to pay for it. ( but you will be taxed for obamacare ) You can call it a “benefit” but it does not qualify as compensation.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      So what you’re arguing for, then, is employees their own health insurance?

      Because conservatives have been saying that individuals should be in charge of their own health insurance for a long time.

      If you’re going to rely on someone else to provide you with health insurance, then you have to accept that they get to control them.

      I absolutely agree that individuals who pay for their own health care should get a say in what it covers.

  • Neiman

    In Chicago the same Rahm Emmanuel is praising Louis Farrakhan, a known antisemite (Rahm is a Jew) for their help in reducing the murder rate in Chicago, the nation’s worse*. So being an antisemite is okay; while being a Christian business owner, never found guilty of the least act of discrimination in hiring or towards customers is evil. Strange the liberal views of evil, to them killing babies is okay, but a private stand against gay marriage must be silenced by the power of the state to punish.

    Jefferson was proud of religious liberty was he? He leaned towards being a Deist, was raised in the Anglican Church, attended a Christian Church often, he absolutely believed in a Divine Being (Creator), he denied Jesus’ Deity, while in the next breath admiring the teachings of Christ and in his vanity he even created his own bible and was most friendly towards the Christian Church in both public and private. He was no atheist, but by his enormous ego was very confused about God and yet, I can recall no quotes of his commending any other religion. So, if he was proud of religious liberty, it was not that he embraced any but the Christian faith and that with little passion; it was because ” “The rights of conscience we never submitted, we could not submit. We
    are answerable for them to our God. The legitimate powers of government
    extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no
    injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It
    neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. … Reason and free inquiry
    are the only effectual agents against error.”

    * Chicago has highest murder rate and the toughest gun control laws, always found unconstitutional and there is no link?

    • two_amber_lamps

      With leftists owning google lock, stock, and barrel and other sources like wiki also being heavily manipulated by the left the fact that the stats that would correlate to your point are difficult to find isn’t all that surprising.

    • BBantam

      Neiman,
      Pleased to read your informed and thoughtful comments.

  • SigFan

    The assault at present seems to be disproportionately directed at one religion though – Christianity. We really have reached a level of lunacy that I never thought to see in this country. If it were Muslims objecting to a provision of Obamacare (or any other law), we would be twisting ourselves into pretzels to accommodate and not offend them. But it has become acceptable – even fashionable – to attack Christianity, probably because unlike other “religions” Christians are very unlikely to strap on a suicide vest in retaliation.

    Forcing any group to violate their core religious beliefs and tenets through heavy-handed governmental use of the law is despicable – and not even close to what freedom of religion was supposed to be about. But then we’ve drifted so far from the founders original intent and vision for the country as to make it unrecognizable to them could they see it now.

    • robert108

      The overall plan of the left wing is to destroy America and all that makes us powerful, wealthy and successful. Since Christianity is at the root of the success of our economic system, it is an obvious target. They want to undermine us with drugs and redefining marriage, among other things. The constant calls for increased taxation to drain capital from the private sector is just another part of the plan.

      • Emil Kashuntz

        Whip up the fear, this is your specialty. Someone is always out to destroy us and take away our freedom and our guns. Same old right wing shi*. The Hoopleheads eat it up.

        • BBantam

          Ever stop and think? Or is your modus one of a sense of simply believing only you are right, and others wrong? Kuntz, you just might be mistaken.

    • Eat This

      “…because unlike other “religions” Christians are very unlikely to strap on a suicide vest in retaliation.”

      Maybe with gun control, they’ll strap on suicide vests instead of shooting up abortion clinics.

      Your “church” should give up its tax-exempt status if it wants to control public policy.

      • banjo kid

        Not at all we will just gets guns illegally like the liberal crooks in Chicago do(humor) . Just how many abortion clinics have been bombed or shot at ? It is just the fringe that does that and the Christians do not condone the taking of life period .

    • banjo kid

      Actually we Christians still have it easy here no one is being hung yet and no one is being beheaded. We were promised that we would be persecuted, so be it . In other lands we hear of deaths of Christians on a daily basis. as the countries morals go so goes the country and I mean by that; down, failed, finished, over.

      • SigFan

        True – no one here is openly persecuting Christians violently – yet. We know those days are yet to come though, and IMO that unhappy future is not too distant.

  • Emil Kashuntz

    You dingers are amazing. You stir up hate for Muslims, and black people, then all of a sudden you are the defenders of religion. Wow, what a bunch of phony hypocrisy. The full spin is on once more. Enjoy Hoopleheads, enjoy, don’t miss Rush today, I’ll bet he will be spinning this one to.

    • robert108

      Muslims killed us on 9/11 and thousands of other occasions. It’s not about religion in general, it’s about a totalitarian ideology that seeks to kill or enslave the entire world. Wake up! There is no comparison between Christianity and Islam. “Black people” aren’t a religion, so you just inject racism where it doesn’t belong. Typical of liberals.

      • Emil Kashuntz

        Yea Bob, it is Christians fighting against health care for everyone, it is Christians fighting for tax breaks to help the rich. Got to love those Christians. It was Christians that attacked us during the Civil War, why don’t we hate Christians.

        • robert108

          You continue to lie, so there is no answer to what you’ve said. Nice try to deflect away from murderous islam, though.
          islamists are murdering people all over the world, right now.

      • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

        Muslims killed us on 9/11 and thousands of other occasions.

    • thevoiceofreason

      You don’t seem to be a very pleasant individual. It has nothing to do with your views, but everything to do with your pointless namecalling and frivolous accusations.

      • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

        Full of hate. If he spoke his words, you’d hear a hiss.

    • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

      “Wow!” BTW, “too”.

    • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

      How is “phony hypocrisy” different from real hypocrisy? Rush has really gotten to you, right?

  • mikemc1970

    Liberalism/progressivism/socialism is an international movement that is seeking the uniformity of thought and belief to be accepted or forced onto all people. Any group that deviates from their orthodoxy is deemed an enemy. This is why Christians and Jews are their favorite targets, because they believe differently and tend be nationalists. This is also why there is such empathy among the progressives towards Islamist and Fascists who seek the same goal, albeit through slightly different means.

  • Tim Heise

    “is as odious as forcing a Muslim grocer to sell pork. Or forcing a Synagogue to shut down because a given politician doesn’t like JewS.”
    WELL SAID.

  • Neiman

    Rev. Billy Graham on Chick-fil-A

    Rev. Billy Graham, at 93 the senior statesman among Christian leaders
    in America today, says he’s rooting for his longtime friends, the Cathy
    family, in a nasty public blowup over their religious beliefs.

    “I want to express my support for my good friends Truett Cathy and
    his son Dan Cathy, and for their strong stand for the Christian faith,”
    he said in a statement released by the Billy Graham Evangelical
    Association.

    “I am a Christian”? “I’ve known their family for many years and have watched them grow Chick-fil-A into one of the best businesses in America while never
    compromising their values. Chick-fil-A serves each of its customers with excellence, and treats everyone like a neighbor. It’s easy to see why Chick-fil-A has become so popular across America,” he said.”

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/billy-graham-cheers-cathy-family-chick-fil-a/

    That great religious leader Rosanne Barr was not quite so supportive.

    Roseanne Barr doesn’t care much for people who choose to eat at Chick-fil-A. “anyone who eats S— Fil-A deserves to get the cancer that is sure to come from eating antibiotic filled tortured chickens 4Christ,” the comedienne and unsuccessful presidential candidate wrote on Twitter on Wednesday.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/click/2012/07/barr-chickfila-customers-deserve-cancer-130073.html

    • ellinas1

      Nixon And Billy Graham
      Anti-Semitism Caught On Tape

      Rev. Billy Graham openly voiced a belief that Jews control the American media, calling it a “stranglehold” during a 1972 conversation with President Richard Nixon, according to a tape of the Oval Office meeting released Thursday by the National Archives. “This stranglehold has got to be broken or the country’s going down the drain,” the nation’s best-known preacher declared as he agreed with a stream of bigoted Nixon comments about Jews and their perceived influence in American life. “You believe that?” Nixon says after the “stranglehold” comment. “Yes, sir,” Graham says. “Oh, boy,” replies Nixon. “So do I. I can’t ever say that but I believe it.” “No, but if you get elected a second time, then we might be able to do something,” Graham replies. Later, Graham mentions that he has friends in the media who are Jewish, saying they “swarm around me and are friendly to me.” But, he confides to Nixon, “They don’t know how I really feel about what they’re doing to this country.”

      • Neiman

        That is your big problem – that reference is decades old, not even Billy Graham is perfect and those comments had nothing to do with the subject of this thread. Like all liberals you engage only in obfuscations, direct lying and the politics of personal destruction, because your beliefs cannot be defended. In all your life you have never changed anyone’s opinion about anything, you have nothing inside you but liberal hate.

        • ellinas1

          That is your big problem – you make references that are decades old, and when someone with opposing political and or religious views does the same
          you engage only in obfuscations, and direct lying.
          In the rest of your life you will never change anyone’s opinion about anything, you have nothing inside you, but conservative and Calvinist hate.

          • robert108

            Your big problem is that you are a compulsive liar.

          • Onslaught1066

            His biggest problem is he’s greek.

          • Neiman

            Is it true that most Greek men are pedophiles and worse because their women mostly look like massively hairy Yeti’s, with faces like the butt of an ugly Rhino with hemorrhoids?

          • ellinas1

            Dominee, don’t you know the answer to that?

          • Neiman

            Thank you for proving once again your gross immaturity, your childish copy/pastes because you have the intelligence quotient of a retarded slug and that you are a damned liar.

          • ellinas1

            You are very welcome. Once again your Puritanical Calvinist came forward for the world to see.

          • Neiman

            I have already denied being a Calvinist, so you are knowingly posting lies, nor am I a Puritan. Of course, as you brag about your fornications, I suppose anything that keeps you from being a sexual predator or both genders and all ages seems puritanical to you.

          • ellinas1

            You can deny it all you want.
            You sure act like one though.

          • Neiman

            That is because you are a fool!

          • ellinas1

            Projecting again, Dominee?

      • robert108

        The compulsive liar tries desperately to change the subject, when smacked with the facts.

        • ellinas1

          “You lie….”
          Neiman on 06/29/2011 in reply to robert180.

          • robert108

            You just can’t help yourself, liar.

  • Emil Kashuntz

    The real religion in the United States is greed. Republican greed that allows 24,000 children in North Dakota to live in poverty, while the state has billions in surplus is a disgrace. The refusal to provide affordable healthcare while we whine about the rich having to pa taxes.

    • Neiman

      Well Obama can thank God you bought fully into his campaign of class warfare.

    • robert108

      The parents of those 24,000 children(if you are telling the truth) are responsible, not other people you want to demonize. The truly greedy are the Democrats who want to keep hiking taxes on the private sector, which pays for everything.
      You’re the one constantly whining here, btw.

    • awfulorv

      I’m sure you mean live below the poverty line. They are being looked after through food stamps, housing credits, school lunches, etc. Something that was not afforded me when I was young. Instead I made do on a Three Musketeers candy bar for lunch. And, somehow I survived…

    • jl

      “The real religion in the US is greed.” No, it’s the global warming cult. “Whine about the rich having to pay taxes.” No one says that the”rich” shouldn’t pay taxes, you idiot. The problem is the top 10% pay about 70% of all income taxes while the bottom 50% pay next to nothing. Please keep up.

      • robert108

        Propagandists have no interest in telling the truth.

  • Neiman

    More discrimination: A Church to lose public facility privileges because according to the school district preaching against homosexuality encourages bullying, despite the fact the minister actually spoke against bullying.

    Blockquote>The advice comes from Liberty Counsel, which today said it had sent a letter to the superintendent stating that any effort to rescind a facilities usage lease with a church because of the pastor’s sermon on homosexuality would be a violation of
    the First Amendment.

    The issue arose when Impact Miami Church Pastor Jack Hakimian preached on the biblical position on homosexuality: It’s a sin.

    The Miami-Dade County Public Schools then announced it was “reviewing” its lease with the church. The superintendent claims that the sermon violated the school’s anti-bullying and nondiscrimination policies. “The reason why I am dealing with [homosexuality] so much is because there is an aggressive approach by … gay theologians that says the Bible never spoke about homosexuality in a way that contemporary Christians understand it,” he said.

    “They are not just saying, ‘accept us’ – and I believe we should protect, and not bully, and treat all people with dignity and respect – but they are going beyond and above to change the very meaning of Scripture,” he said.

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/school-preparing-to-eject-church-over-gay-message/?cat_orig=us

  • chris

    Let’s do a hypocrisy check here. If the CEO of an American-Islamic-based company, or a Hindu-based company, had expressed their highly publicized opposition to homosexuality, would they would have gotten the same public backlash? My guess is that probably not as much from the liberal side because of their “tolerance” to other religions, but at the same time maybe Christians would have preferred not to go there either because the company wouldn’t be Christian. This would indicate hypocrisy from both sides. My opinion is that Chic-Fil-A can have whatever opinion they want and I’ll still eat there and I won’t criticize them for expressing an opinion. Similarly I would still go to a Pakistani restaurant even though they might openly be opposed to Israel, and so on. This is a part of being part an open society, even though individual opinions may not be open-minded. A company would have to do something extreme for me to not buy from it for political reasons. The only exception is if I’m traveling in a different country, I would prefer a local restaurant over something like McDonalds, but that’s more for cultural reasons.

    • robert108

      Your hypocrisy starts with your spin. The head of Chick-Fil-A came out in favor of real marriage, not any opposition to the homosexual mandate to redefine marriage.

      • chris

        Where is exactly the spin in my comments? Where did I even criticize Chic-Fil-A?

        • robert108

          I repeat, for the slow; the COO of Chick-Fil-A came out in favor of real marriage; you lied when you said that he came out against homosexuality. He didn’t do that, but it’s typical of the liberal mind to make the mistake of “assuming the opposite”, rather than thinking factually and logically about what was actually said.
          I exposed your spin; I didn’t “put my foot in my mouth”. You tried to spin, and I called you on it.

          • chris

            OK, since you’re so intent on separating the debate on traditional marriage from, according to you, the completely separate topic of gay marriage, let me take a different approach: so they support marriage between a man and a woman, but what is their stance on same-sex marriage? Do they actually support gay marriage??

          • robert108

            Again, you try to put words in my mouth, instead of discussing the facts here. For real Americans, there is only one definition of marriage; the one that has existed since the origin of the human species.

          • chris

            I think I see your point now; you have a problem with me saying “homosexuals” instead of “gay marriage”. If that’s your problem, then fine I’ll give you that.
            However, most people who oppose gay marriage also have a problem with
            homosexuality in general, especially Christian organizations. So it’s really nitpicking to call me out on that.

          • robert108

            No, you don’t see; I busted you for purposely misstating the issue here, which is Chick-Fil-A’s support of real marriage. You spun it into “being against homosexuality”, which is a lie. You liberals do this all the time. It’s difficult to have a real discussion with someone who is always misstating what was said, instead of discussing the truth.
            Your assumptions are meaningless to me. When you can stick with the facts, get back to me.
            Chick-Fil-A is being persecuted by the left wing, and on the basis of their misstating what the COO actually said.

          • chris

            Sorry, then I guess Chick-Fil-A has no problem with homosexuality. I’ll take your word at that.

          • Wayne

            The fact is that you don’t know how they feel about homosexuality. They never said anything about how they feel about homosexuality. Their statement concerned the definition of marriage. Therefore your misstatement about what they said is spin.

          • Wayne

            Liberals are so used to misstating or redefining the statements of conservatives they don’t even think they have done anything wrong.

          • chris

            So, what you’re saying is that Chick-Fil-A is actually gay friendly, but they’re just not pro gay marriage? You might want to clarify this for the rest of us.

          • Wayne

            It’s possible that people couldn’t care less about someone’s sexual orientation and still oppose the redefinition of marriage. Clear enough for you?

          • chris

            I was thinking about this, and I still think you guys are just splitting hairs. When people are asked why they are against gay marriage, the answer usually involves their opposition to homosexuality itself; that it’s a sin, an abomination, evil, part of a communist conspiracy, etc. If the answer is: “because I believe in the traditional definition of marriage”, that is still usually coupled with anti-gay sentiment. I rarely hear people show opposition to one without also criticizing the other. Take Neiman, for example.

          • robert108

            You still don’t get it: there is no such thing as “gay” marriage. There is just marriage, the way it has been since the origin of the human race. It arose out of the fact that humans reproduce heterosexually, and follows logically from that to form family units around the nucleus of the male/female pair bond.
            Being for the reality of marriage is not equivalent to being “against” your pet political issue, no matter how self-centered you may be.

          • chris

            Actually, marriage started as a “group marriage”, where many people were involved and had sexual intercourse. The first union between a man and a woman took place in Mesopotamia at 2350 BC, but it was never about love or religion; it was all about possessing the woman and making sure the offspring were biologically of the father. Also, in many ancient cultures same-sex marriage was also accepted, like in Rome, Egypt, and China. However today, marriage is all about life-long love and devotion.

            http://www.historyofmarriage.org/

          • Neiman

            Actually the first marriage was in the Garden of Eden, it was Adam and Eve and God officiated and set forth the conditions for marriage, one man to one woman and the two will become one flesh. That is the only definition of marriage and while men had multiple wives and even concubines, it was condemned by God.

            You do not get to change the history or the definition of marriage, you can only pervert it for your own evil reasons.

          • Neiman

            Why are you liberals so obsessed with me that you cannot leave me out of any conversation? Get life or a girl friend.

            There is no such thing as gay or homosexual marriage. In all of human history, in every time, geographic and social setting marriage has always been restricted between two people of the opposite gender. It represents the family, a basic foundation of any prosperous, civilized society and no other arrangements can meet that goal.

            Homosexuality is a violation of natural design and Divine intent and thus such deviancy cannot become undeviant and qualify for marriage or family. Homosexual marriage is an oxymoron and destructive of society, and you and your same gender significant other do not qualify for marriage.

          • Wayne

            Liberal BS. What you think doesn’t matter. “If the answer is: “because I believe in the traditional definition of marriage”, that is still usually coupled with anti-gay sentiment.” That’s BS. Your own biases are on display.

          • Wayne

            Don’t tell me you’ve been thinking. That’s awfully hard to believe. All you are thinking about is a way to rationalize your BS.

      • chris

        I was actually defending Chick-Fil-A’s rights to their opinions. Maybe you should READ before putting your foot in your mouth.

    • awfulorv

      Why not have a sign near the door explaining the restaurant wishes their customers to eat in peace, without the consternation caused by Homosexuals, or whomever wishes to carry placards, protesting, outside, or inside, their doors. Then call the cops and demand those wishes be adhered to.

  • banjo kid

    We have only heard the beginning of Obama care and when the people learn what we have to give up for it they will mad as hornets. I look to be one of the casualties of Obama care. That remains to be seen .

    • chris

      Obama care (especially individual mandate) was originally republican care. That’s right, it was a republican idea before it was Obama’s idea. Read up on “Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act of 1993″.

      • banjo kid

        where in Obama care does it have tort reform ? That one in no way matches obamacare . not even close, maybe it had a mandatory purchase in it it does not make it right .

      • banjo kid

        You mean you have read both and they are the same? I have read some of the 1993 proposal and it does not sound like Obama care to me . I will read more of it later but am pressed for time . I do see some big differences . as for the tort reform and also they do let the companies deal with the insurance almost on their own . I don’t see any penalties yet but there could be, let read more and I suggest you also read it so you don”t err in saying it is just like Obamacare. I do know it is not near as long as Obamacare

        • chris

          If you manage to read both then you’re better than me. My limited time only allows me to browse for clips on the internet, like these ones:

          http://open.salon.com/blog/spiritmansf/2012/03/27/obamacare_is_a_republican_compromise

          http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/02/07/the-tortuous-conservative-history-of-the-individual-mandate/

          http://religiousliberty.tv/american-values-the-individual-mandate-vs-social-darwinism.html

          I believe most of the similarities are regarding individual mandate, which is at the heart of the debate, but by all means let me know what you find out.

          • banjo kid

            SEC. 1501. REQUIREMENT OF COVERAGE.

            (a) IN GENERAL- Effective January 1, 2005, each individual who
            is a citizen or lawful permanent resident of the United States shall be
            covered under–

            (1) a qualified health plan, or

            (2) an equivalent health care program (as defined in section 1601(7)).

            (b) EXCEPTION- Subsection (a) shall not apply in the case of
            an individual who is opposed for religious reasons to health plan
            coverage, including an individual who declines health plan coverage due
            to a reliance on healing using spiritual means through prayer alone. Yeah just like Obamacare right . before you or I go spouting off about the two plans it would pay us all to read both.

          • banjo kid

            d) LIMITED EMPLOYER OBLIGATION- Nothing in this section shall be
            construed as requiring an employer to make, or preventing such employer
            from making, an employer contribution toward coverage of employees (and
            their dependents) under a qualified health plan. so far I have not found any mandate other than the proposal for all to have insurance but it seems so far it is left up to the employers what they do about it. It looks like that it would be the same for many where they allow the employees to purchase health care at a reduced or same rate . the whole obama care seems pointed toward total control of the health care of each person,. I would suggest instead of relying on excerpts to read the bill of 1993 and then read the present dictatorial health care law . I intend to do both or at such time it is apparent the 1993 bill is better that Obama care . One thing I have established is that all politicians lie but some more than others. I have not found yet a fine for non compliance .

          • chris

            I found something:

            “1. In addition to the Clinton Plan, six major health reform initiatives have been introduced in the 103rd Congress. The Senate Republican Health Care Task Force proposes to require employers with less than 100 employees to participate in a purchasing cooperative, mandate individuals to have health
            insurance with a penalty for non-compliance, and eliminate pre-existing conditions exclusions. H.R. 3704 & S. 1770, 103d Cong., 1st Sess. (1993) (Chafee/Thomas bill).”

            http://digitalcommons.law.wustl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1122&context=urbanlaw

  • HG

    Well said.

  • Davo

    Whose religious freedom is being violated when politicians points out Chick-Fil-A’s homophobia?

    No one’s, of course, but yet this article exists…

    • Wayne

      How do you know Chick-Fil-A is homophobic? Their statement said nothing about how they feel about anyone’s sexual orientation. Their statement only concerned the definition of marriage.

      • chris

        Maybe that’s the next question someone should ask the CEO of Chick-Fil-A: what do you think about homosexuality? That would clarify it once and for all.

        • Wayne

          And if he said he doesn’t care what people do in their bedroom, would that end all the liberal BS? I doubt it.

      • davo

        I know it because I’m smarter than you.

        • Wayne

          BS. From your comments, I know that is not true.

    • Wayne

      When a mayor tries to keep them from doing business in the mayor’s town simply because they believe in the traditional form of marriage as their religion says, it is a violation of their religious freedom.

      • davoarid

        No. Chick-Fil-A’s CEO still has the freedom to practice his religious freedom, and can continue to say whatever he wants about his gay friends and family.

        HIs right to practice Christianity does not in any way relate to his ability to obtain zoning permits.

    • robert108

      There is no “homophobia”; that’s a lying smear concocted by the radical homosexual fringe.

  • Emil Kashuntz

    Fishing for Hoopleheads? The guns, gays, and God bait is a sure thing. You might throw in some abortion stuff. It is so easy to real in a Hooplehead. Hoopleheads love to be scared, paranoid, and worried that they might have to think. Todays word is religion. Hoopleheads love getting in a tizy about religion, so here we go. A fundamentalist Hooplehead is like carp they are plentiful and do da to catch.

  • Emil Kashuntz

    Stirring up the Hoopleheads over religion is a mainstay of the Republican party. The simple minded love to fight for god, and the Republicans love to exploit this need of the ignorant. Scaring the Hoopleheads that someone is going to get their gun, or their bible is a sure fire right wing tactic. As good Republicans we need to spread every rumor we can that Obama is a Muslim out to destroy Christianity. I know it is goofy, but the Hooples love it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Patton/592034163 Andrew Patton

    If anybody says that calling this persecution is an insult to our brethren who face death daily for the Faith, let them know that persecution almost never starts out with imprisonment and murder. Instead, it starts by defaming and restricting the group, then declaring them to be subversives against the State, and only then does it lead to beatings, imprisonment and martyrdoms. We are simply trying to nip a hostile attack in the bud before it escalates, because throughout the history of the Church, it has escalated many times in many places.

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