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Wednesday, July 02, 2008

Real Patriots Hate America

. . . and only fake patriots actually love America.

Rob noted a self-loathing liberal still feeling shame over Abu Ghraib.

RealClearPolitics links to another guilty liberal who comes up with lots and lots of reasons to hate America (yet who oddly chooses to live here). He starts with that classic formulation: 'It’s not that I’m anti-American . . . ' and then goes on to be exactly that, laying the blame for all of our problems on those uniquely American ills of greed, ignorance and patriotism.

This is one of those embarrasing conceits of the left, that if everyone knew what they knew, wow, they'd spit on the flag too. If you love America and think it is a great country, you've obviously never opened a book that 'mattered'.

These leftists are guilty of exactly what they accuse the patriots of, that is, only seeing one side of the equation. Uncovering the crimes of America is what gives them worth, and assembling lists of America's shortcomings brightens their day.

Who wants a sourpuss like that around on the Fourth of July anyway?

Crossposted from Ken McCracken

Comments

I will not attempt at picking any adjectives to describe these people.  I have seen plenty of them in the form of certain students that came from broken homes, drug selling adults, prostitutes and criminals.  My answer to them was:  “I understand your present situation, but do you want your children to grow up the same way, or will you straighten out and at least give them a better chance?”


Communism is evil

Chief RZ on July 2, 2008 at 05:12 pm

"Who wants a sourpuss like that around on the Fourth of July anyway?”

I do, down range. Got a few hundred rds of 7.62x39 they could get acquainted with.


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2Hotel9 on July 2, 2008 at 05:51 pm

A person is a product of their environment.  As many of our institutes (schools, etc.)are controlled by lefty American haters, the malady of hatred continues unabathed from generation to generation.  The only one way to break this cycle is to purge the haters from tha systems.


You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

docdave on July 3, 2008 at 07:12 am

"Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does NOT mean to stand by the President or any other public official save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country.” -Theodore Roosevelt

ews48 on July 3, 2008 at 09:37 am

Got a few hundred rds of 7.62x39 they could get acquainted with.

Is that right, Mugabe? Gonna cut their hands off first?
Kitty would rather shoot people than have freedom of press. Very 3rd world of you kitty.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on July 3, 2008 at 09:49 am

The patriotism of the modern democRAT is that of the husband who “would still love his wife if she’d just lose twenty pounds.”

The government, and the elected officials thereof, are not the country.  Patriotism is love of country, not love of government nor yet love of elected officialdom.

Conditional patriotism, like conditional love, is no patriotism at all.


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Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
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Rodney Graves on July 3, 2008 at 09:49 am

The patriotism of the modern democRAT is that of the husband who “would still love his wife if she’d just lose twenty pounds.”

The government, and the elected officials thereof, are not the country.  Patriotism is love of country, not love of government nor yet love of elected officialdom.

Conditional patriotism, like conditional love, is no patriotism at all.


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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Rodney Graves on July 3, 2008 at 09:52 am
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Rodney Graves:

The patriotism of the modern democRAT…

He spelled “rat”!!! That’s really funny!!!
todd on July 3, 2008 at 01:42 pm
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As if blind patriotism was a virtue.

Hawk on July 3, 2008 at 01:50 pm

Hawk,

I see you failed to follow the link.  No great surprise there.

Blind patriotism can, and has been, abused.

Those who spit “patriot” as an epithet are beyond redemption in this world.

If you cannot find it in your heart to love and be devoted to your nation (warts and all), you should find a nation you can love and be devoted to, and move there.


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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Rodney Graves on July 3, 2008 at 02:12 pm
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The only one way to break this cycle is to purge the haters from tha systems.

When do the pogroms begin?

dannyboy on July 3, 2008 at 02:17 pm

As soon the 2x4 smacks your America hating ass in the head, chickenhawkie.


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2Hotel9 on July 3, 2008 at 03:04 pm

“When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross.”

- Sinclair Lewis

“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power”

- Benito Mussolini

“I consider myself a defender of corporate America”

-Rush Limbaugh


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on July 3, 2008 at 05:25 pm

"blackwater"boob continues his long string of irrelevanceis and outright innacuracies.

Fascism is an outgrowth of progressivism and socialism, and is thus far more closely related to the modern left.

Proto-fascism has already been tried, and rejected, here in the United States.  See the Wilson Administration and FDR’s “Blue Eagle.” (Gee, where else have we seen a blue eagle lately?  Hmm...)


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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Rodney Graves on July 3, 2008 at 05:41 pm

Is that right, Mugabe?—Sparkie

Damn, that was a good call. And some nice quotes there RBB.

Ken McCracken, how is the guy you quoted “self-loathing”? To me, it seems like he has a pretty high opinion of himself. Is dissent “self-loathing”? Wanting to live in an America that is a champion and stauncher defender, not a violator, of human rights is “self-loathing”?


“All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.”
“Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.” —George Orwell

Anarchist Vegetarian on July 3, 2008 at 05:44 pm

Fascism is an outgrowth of progressivism and socialism, and is thus far more closely related to the modern left.

High Kararte rod

“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power”

- Benito Mussolini

Wow, that’s a tough choice to make. Go with rod or go with Mussolini...rod...Mussolini…

I think I’ll go with the actual father of fascism on this one.

Unless rod is hiding a secret shirt or something.


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on July 3, 2008 at 05:53 pm

Fascism and socialism are the political left. Period.


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2Hotel9 on July 3, 2008 at 06:02 pm

The ‘corporatism’ that Mussolini espoused is not exactly what you think it is, RBB.

Ken McCracken on July 3, 2008 at 06:03 pm

Certain people who twist words like is and torture are the same ones who are incapable of adult conversations.  Michelle Malkin has documented the violence by liberals and democrats.  When communists took over the USSR it was against innocent civilians as well as their monarchy. 

Seven Million innocent Ukranians were murdered by Stalin.  One group from our church just returned and they updated that number to ten million. 

Genocide.

We don’t have the pictures of all the little children murdered because of the iron curtain and Walter Duranty, but anyone with some logical part of their brain left might just comprehend the evils of communism.  Yes, Mugabe has twisted a democratic election into Facism.  Watch down in South America and you will soon see another example.  I will not waste time defining Facism which is a relatively new term. 

On topic:  Our country fought and won its independence from a monarchy.  We were subjects to a King.  We fought the British army.  We did not bomb London or burn down innocent civilian’s homes or churches. 

God bless America and God bless the US military including those courageous first civilian soldiers who won our freedoms.

I will enjoy tomorrow’s 4th of July celebration in Gilbert, SC where real people, raise families in freedom and appreciate the liberty that our forefathers gained for us.


Communism is evil

Chief RZ on July 3, 2008 at 06:03 pm

AV, such liberals are self-loathing because they only identify with the negative aspects of America and life in general, yet deign to live here.

Obviously if America is such a horrid place they are masochists of the first order if they haven’t moved to Cuba yet.

Ken McCracken on July 3, 2008 at 06:06 pm

God bless America and God bless the US military including those courageous first civilian soldiers who won our freedoms.


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on July 3, 2008 at 06:11 pm
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The ‘corporatism’ that Mussolini espoused is not exactly what you think it is, RBB.

Even if not, from the article you posted it would certainly be right wing.

Lestat on July 3, 2008 at 08:27 pm

Would it?

Things like the entire program of the New Deal, or like the Peace Corps perhaps are much closer to fascism than anything the right has proposed.

Heh, the only rightwing equivalent would be the Chamber of Commerce, perhaps.

Ken McCracken on July 3, 2008 at 08:37 pm
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The article you post gives the example of a steel cartel controlling the steal industry, not the government.  How would you describe that as a liberal policy?

The New Deal was about the government establishing industries.  This corporatism is about outside industries or groups controlling government.

Lestat on July 3, 2008 at 08:43 pm

Chief, who here is defending Stalin?

Ken, or the private contracting, often no-bid contracts to buddies, of what has traditionally been military work? Would that seem fascist?

I would think so.


“All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.”
“Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.” —George Orwell

Anarchist Vegetarian on July 3, 2008 at 08:49 pm

Ken, or the private contracting, often no-bid contracts to buddies, of what has traditionally been military work? Would that seem fascist?

Huh?

So every country in the world with a military budget is a ‘fascist’ country?

Ken McCracken on July 3, 2008 at 08:54 pm

The New Deal was about the government establishing industries.  This corporatism is about outside industries or groups controlling government.

You’ve got it backwards. Mussolini - not one to share power - used the corporations to control the markets, not the other way around.

Ken McCracken on July 3, 2008 at 08:56 pm

Let’s have some more words of “wisdom” of and from the man who coined the term “fascist.”

Mussolini himself coined the term ["totalitarian"] to describe a society where everybody belonged, where everyone was taken care of, where everything was inside the state and nothing was outside: where truly no child was left behind.  p. 14

Hmm.  Where do we hear echoes of that rhetoric today?

Mussolini, 1932: It is faith that moves mountains, not reason.  Reason is a tool, but it can never be the motive force of a crowd.  p. 36

And who is the man running on faith?

He [Mussolini] was indeed the “Prophet of the Pragmatic Era in Politics,” as a 1926 article in the Political Science Quarterly (and subsequent book) dubbed him.45 p. 51

All quotes and page references here.


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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Rodney Graves on July 3, 2008 at 10:30 pm

“blackwater"boob continues his long string of irrelevanceis and outright innacuracies.

LOL, smile


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goon on July 3, 2008 at 11:02 pm

Mussolini, Democrat Party forefather.


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2Hotel9 on July 4, 2008 at 04:42 am

Mussolini himself coined the term ["totalitarian"] to describe a society where everybody belonged, where everyone was taken care of, where everything was inside the state and nothing was outside: where truly no child was left behind.  p. 14

Hmm.  Where do we hear echoes of that rhetoric today?


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on July 4, 2008 at 05:31 am

Mussolini, 1932: It is faith that moves mountains, not reason.  Reason is a tool, but it can never be the motive force of a crowd.  p. 36


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on July 4, 2008 at 06:12 am

Yes, boob! You have finally figured it out. Your Party, the Democrat Party, is the Party of socialism/fascism. Glad to see you have finally perceived reality.


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2Hotel9 on July 4, 2008 at 06:28 am
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