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Definitely weird.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

WTF?

What the hell is the point?  I mean why waste the money.  Get a pickup with a gun rack and put two stickers on it:

--NRA Lifetime Member
--Guns don’t kill people, I kill people

Go to all of her school activities and remind prospective boyfriends that you know where they live.  Simple as that.

Nope, wait, I have a better way… make her wear head to toe clothing that is so bulky and cumbersome that she can barely see.  Keep her from going to school where she might be around males.  And let her know that if she has sex or claims to be raped, you will allow the entire village to stone her to death.

Allah Akbar.  Now we see why Muslims don’t need Daddy Daughter Balls or whatever the hell it is.

When I heard about this, before my friends could finish explaining it to me, the first words that come into my head were “incest” and “electra"… a single “purity ring” would be enough to make a point- people don’t need these expensive things to make a point. They simply need to talk to their kids when the time is right, and to be able to keep talking to them and be there for them.

I’m a firm believer in complete abstinence before marriage and complete fidelity within marriage, for both religious and sociological reasons, but I find this pretty creepy. The Oedipal overtones are overwhelming, and the public ceremony just makes me cringe. Ick.  ..bruce..

The gowns would be birqas in Afghanistan.

“The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom.” -
William Blake

It makes one wonder who they are saving themselves for, their future husbands or their fathers!

And where are the mothers in all of this, what can possibly be going through their minds or lack of, to allow this to happen?

I’ve got a friend who’s dad is in the law enforcement business.  He told me his dad used to do background checks on his sisters boyfriends AND their parents.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

What I find very odd is how many young females are fascination with the wedding itself.  I have to say when I was a little girl marriage was the farthest thing from my mind. AND I never dreamed of any type of wedding, like so many females supposedly are fixated with??? I think this could encourage females to enter into marriage out of guilt?  Marriage is much more than sex. Although it is an added benefit! ...

Purity balls?

They used to call them “blue” when I was a younger man…

Trolls. It’s what’s for breakfast!
And then I eat their lunch.

Yep! Blue… The purity ball concept is just too weird.

It would be interesting to monitor how many of these young ladies have “intimacy” problems after marriage.

Mickey...That would be interesting! BUT even more interesting is how many of those dads have issues?? Currrreeepy…

First, you continue to amaze me Rob, I would have had the exact same reaction as you: The goals are great, while the ceremony thing seems a bit odd on the surface.

Others here are just so filled with anti-Christian hatred that they want to demand Christians do everything in a secular way, their way, completely contrary to the Christian values of these families and then just tell them to hope for a positive outcome.

There are just not enough facts availble here for me to judge these people. With the information at hand I agree with Rob, but there may be more facts available that would cause me to support this as a way to reinforce decent, moral values in the family.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Of course I’ve already told my daughter that she can’t date until she turns 37.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Whistler: I told my daughters they could not have sex until married, they could not marry until 40, he had to be a doctor, have at least a million dollars in the bank and promise not to touch them unless for procreation.

All three of them chose to ignore my advice, to what degree is personal, but let us say I did not get my way.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Well I also did tell her that her date when she’s 37 had to be with a graduate of medical school.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Whistle...That is the best answer. AND if that doesn’t work?  Have a Purity Ball. AND if that doesn’t work? She is an anti christian, hate filled, evil woman child! Just kidding!

I agree with the idea behind these--abstinence until marriage--but these “balls” are definitely overkill.  And, like Rob said, a bit too early in life; both in the sense that she’s (in my opinion) too young to be learning about sex, and most likely too young to realize what kind of decision she’s making.  Wait till your daugter is old enough to start checking out guys, then give her “the talk,” and encourage her to remain abstinent.

"No Sane man will dance.”—Cicero

Well my backup position is that they can take my car on Prom night.  After all I like to drive a car that I know well.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Here I am in a strange position of agreeing with the resident atheist and agnostic on this issue; and disagreeing with those that want to attack these people for wanting, albeit at too young an age and a bit weird using this ceremony for their daughters, to encourage morality and abstinence outside marriage for the daughters they love.

By the way Whistler, once again we must disagree, you should NOT drive your daughter and her boy friend to the PROM, it is their night you should not have such a leading role; just use your car and make sure you and Rover are in the backseat to and from the Prom and one of you watching each door during.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Zsa Zsa,

I have to agree. These fathers have self assurance issues.

I never once question my wifes previous experience and visa versa. I’ve been married 24 years.

Mickey: As I commented above, with the available facts I do not agree with this Purity Ball idea, but I think it is another thing altogether for you and others to attack the fathers in this situation, as you simply don’t have enough information to make that rash judgment and I believe you are only projecting your own anti-Christian prejudices onto these people. (By the way, for those of you choosing to accuse these men of having sexual desires for their daughters; in this situation, don’t you think the mothers knew and perhaps were directly involved in the Purioty Ball idea?)

Also, if some feel being married to a sexually promiscuous woman, a whore, a slut, a prostitute or whatever, and your having had many premarital or extramarital relationships (whore mongering) makes for the best, most healthy physical, moral and spiritual relationships and is good enough for your daughter, that is your choice and if there are any consequences involved they are yours and hers to pay. On the other hand, despite my own far less than pure sexual history, I still believe that if a young man and a young woman get married under God and start their lives without the physical, moral and spiritual baggage that most of us carry around because of our many sexual escapades, such an attitude and behavior will give them the best chance for a long and mutually satisfying marriage.

I must add that many great marriages have succeeded despite even multiple fornications outside the marital bond, and many have failed despite having entered into marriage as God commands us. It is simply that many Christians, like I suspect most of these families, want to encourage their children to enter into marriage with the fewest impediments possible to their future happiness, rather than ignore the matter and hope it will all just go away.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Mickey… I was married when I was 19. We had sex before we got married, even though he was the only guy. BUT I was a sheltered child & fortunately I just happened to meet the right guy!

Mickey...You have been married almost as long as I have. I have been married 28 years! I thought it was longer but my husband told me no…

All I have to say is, marriage isn’t *just* about the sex. Don’t you have to also love the person you are having sex with for the rest of your life??

Otherwise, I’m sure some people would really care enough to divorce if their partner’s body parts ceased to function.

Isn’t it “til death due you part”?

I just haven’t quite understood some peoples’ mentality that they can marry as many people as they wish because it’s not like they’re fornicating. Well, newsflash to them: you can still get STD’s while married.

OK, let me just point out that the fact that this is creepy as hell has nothing to do with the fact that Christians are doing it.  If the Branch Davidians and David Koresh was doing it, or if Mohammed was doing it with 5 year olds, or if the Secular Humanists were doing it, it would be equally as creepy.

I don’t give a damn what good family values they are trying to reinforce, going through mock weddings with pre-teens is a bit much.  Chastity is not a value that requires elaborate ceremonies to instill.  Like one of these girls is going to have her prom dress halfway off in the back of a van and all of the sudden think of marrying Daddy when she was 10.

I don’t like the idea of big dramatic events to reinforce values as opposed to constant subtle reminders and a code of living your life that sets an example every single day.  As a society we want everything to be some kind of dramatic moment as a learning experience as opposed to simply living according to our morals.  The very fact is that if dad and mom are still married and living a good moral life, the daughters are about 90% less likely to end up knocked up at 16 to begin with.  They are more likely to be educated, have higher self esteem, and make good choices.  A big “purity ball” does little to advance that if the parents are already doing what they should be.

Neiman, I wasn’t attacking these men, I was questioning their judgement.

Remember, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

You’re right , Rob. That’s a little...creepy.

How do these little girls know exactly what dear old dad is talking about unless there was some fairly graphic conversations going on?

Yeeks.

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Definately strange. But then again, this isn’t the only strange thing going on in New Evangelical circles.  Redeeming the culture is what they believe they are commissioned by God to do.  Christianizing culture has given us goofy music, corny t-shirts, mega-churches, and now Purity balls.  I understand the importance Wisdom places upon purity.  I even think it ought to be celebrated rather than mocked and scorned by society.  But this, this is just freaky.  It looks to me like a bunch of people trying to find creative ways to live what they say they believe and so it comes off as pretended and awkward.

...goofy music, corny t-shirts, mega-churches…

What a danger to society!  The enemy is at the gates!  The sky is falling!

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

My children didn’t want me to talk to them about sex…

What a danger to society!  The enemy is at the gates!  The sky is falling!

R108,

Quite an imagination you got there, quite an exaggeration too. You stretched “strange” all the way to apocalyptic.

I don’t consider anything you mentioned to be significant.  Understand now?

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

I don’t consider anything you mentioned to be significant.  Understand now?

Ya.  Come to think of it, insignificant would be a good characterization of NE cultural redemption.

It looks to me like a bunch of people trying to find creative ways to live what they say they believe and so it comes off as pretended and awkward.

I’ll go one step further--

There are massive industries springing up to cash in on this new Evangelical trend.  This was someone’s brainstorm as a way to keep their wedding chapels or party planning business going.  Books like the Purpose Driven Life or Joel Olsteen’s book are selling like crazy at the Christian bookstores that are springing up everywhere to serve Evangelicals.  My wife thought she was buying Altoids and they were little Jesus Fish called Scripture Mints.  Inside the tin they had a Bible verse and all.

http://radiantchurch.com/coffee.asp

What bothers me so much is that so many “good Christians” suspend disbelief of salesmen as soon as they have “reverend” in their name.  A church by our house has a damned Seattle’s Best Coffee in the chaple and has a drive up window right at the front of the church.  But as long as buying mints or having purity balls or buying coffee is done in Jesus’s name…

We need skepticism towards these new movements that are little more than Dr. Phil and Oprah based preaching and sales pitches.  And they create people like Neiman that have their holier than thou attitudes because they drink Jesus brand Seattle’s Best instead of my evil Liberal Starbucks.  (BTW, SBC is actually owned by Starbucks) They even ask for volunteers to work the coffee stand on weekends making lattes.  As if Jesus not only healed the sick, but he made one mean ass quad Venti Mocha.

Located in our lobby, our coffee shop proudly brews all the Starbucks favorites! With specialty breakfast foods, burgers and grilled chicken sandwiches, it’s the perfect place to grab a quick meal before service or hang out with your friends afterwards.

Volunteer Opportunity!

Do you love the coffee shop environment? This could be the perfect place for you to volunteer - we’re looking for cashiers and baristas to help out on the weekends! If you’re interested, just contact Keith and get started this week!

WWJD--make me a latte after he gets done hosting my daughter’s purity ball.

sorry, meant to close my blockquote but forgot the slash.

HG: I already commented that I thought the “Purity Balls” are weird.  You attempted to pile on and demonize things by people you describe as New Evangelicals, and tried to do it by listing things that are insignificant, IMO, and I said as much.  Understand now?  Your need to spew antiChristian hate is all yours.  You apparently want to pick on one weird behavior, and generalize it to slam a whole group.  Nice prejudice!

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

Justin,

Well said, R108 could learn from that.

R108, anti-Christian hate?  I am a Christian.  I just recognize this stuff for what it is and it aint faith, and it aint Christian.

r108
woops. an isolated mistake i guess.

NOT. ha ha ha.

HG: I guess I need to use all caps or bold type to get this across to you: I think the Purity Balls are weird.  Get it?
You seem to want to use that as an excuse to launch a broadside attack on a Christian group you don’t like. Since I regard

...goofy music, corny t-shirts, mega-churches…

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

R108,

No harm done.  I simply think your accusation “to attack and demonize them” fails to accurately characterize my comment.  That over-reaction explains the insignifacance you speak of.  I get your comment, I was just trying to provide an out for your reaction.

I simply think your accusation “to attack and demonize them” fails to accurately characterize my comment.

Let’s let your comments speak for you, then.

I just recognize this stuff for what it is and it aint faith, and it aint Christian.

Come to think of it, insignificant would be a good characterization of NE cultural redemption.

It looks to me like a bunch of people trying to find creative ways to live what they say they believe and so it comes off as pretended and awkward.

Definately strange. But then again, this isn’t the only strange thing going on in New Evangelical circles.  Redeeming the culture is what they believe they are commissioned by God to do.  Christianizing culture has given us goofy music, corny t-shirts, mega-churches, and now Purity balls.

Not exactly complimentary, eh?  You pretend to speak for them, then slam them for what you say their agenda is.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

R108,

I should let this rest, but I still say your characterizations are a bit off to say the least.  “demonizing”?  I don’t think so.  More like pointing out the error.

You pretend to speak for them, then slam them for what you say their agenda is.

I don’t pretend to speak for them, I characterize their behavior based upon my familiarity with their theology and practice.

HG: Semantic differences noted.  You are the sole source of my information about these people, so what you say about them is important.  I have only your word that what you say about them is accurate, so be careful.  You obviously don’t like them, and have no respect for their beliefs and practices.  Why should I trust you on this subject?  According to you, they are all wrong; you don’t present any other side here.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

You obviously don’t like them, and have no respect for their beliefs and practices.

I have friends who are NE Christians. I have respect for many of their believes and many of their practices.  I disagree with those believes and practices which attempt to market Christianity or Christianize secular society in order to usher in the Kingdom.

I’m afraid I don’t know what will happen to these girls if they are raped before/after their purity balls. Will they still be pure in the eyes of other Christians?

I think this creates a superiority complex for girls who have managed to not have sex/get raped. This will be something for them to brag about. Come to think about it, I do know some “christians” who emphasis that their ‘purity’ is superiority, when they participate in other excesses.

Purity Balls?!? That is all I got to say about that.

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All this is coming from the TALMUD (sanhedrin 55b,54b,and kethuboth 11b.

Tried to print them but was not allowed,every time i try to quote from secret jewish texts ,i am blocked.

talk about freedom of speech (quote)

Purity Balls?!? That is all I got to say about that.

Best thoughts yet on this thread.

Lisa
Watchout when you’re talking about the Jews! Even typing the word ‘Jew’ or ‘Israel’ is considered antisemitic around here. I think they are just trying to protect those Israeli commies (Kabbutz!?!?) from having their communal farming and property sharing ideals challenged.

Rob

I’m all for abstinence outside of monogamous, long-term relationships

You mean outside marriage you secularist, atheist, sinner. Debaucher! God will strike you down for that! You must uphold the morals of the ancient Mediterranean sheep-fuckers at all costs!

spark, this lisa person is seriously deranged. It can’t use it’s computer therefore it must be a conspiracy of the Great Satanic Corporate Boogerheads! Or some such.

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The funny part is that the Kibbutizim of the ‘20s and ‘30s grasped the horns of capitalism with a vengence, while maintaining the trappings of communism/socialism to this very day. Israelis are strange people, with a really odd sense of humor.

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It can’t use it’s computer therefore it must be a conspiracy of the Great Satanic Corporate Boogerheads! Or some such.

i figure if anyone is going to be censored it me and i havent bumped into any of that. on the talmud: One of my favorite ‘trippy’ sophists is Martin Buber. He’s a talmudic scholar. Never read the thing myself.

I have not thought of Buber in years. Quoting him won’t make you popular, him being the “handmaiden of Satan” and all! I’m surprised the Anti-Zionism stormtroopers have not shown up here already. Usually just spelling his name acts like the Jew-hate Batsignal.

Talmud ain’t as hard to wade through as the Qu’ran, and it makes a lot more sense.

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2h9
Don’t worry… I am an antisemite acc. to half the commentators on this blog - That absolves me right?

Here that rumblymumbly sound? That is the Jew-hate crowd getting their pitchforks and torches ready. As soon as the guy with the sharpened wooden stakes shows up they gonna come acallin’ for you. Better flood the moat, babe!

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hee hee. yea. wow, all the secret conspiracies in the Talmud! wow. paranoia.

i had a great existentialism professor in undergrad and we read tons of Buber. nothing too zionistic though. buber was pretty smart and trippy.

i am critical of israel because i feel they are often too antagonistic to bitch and complain. they’re just playing chess - i get tired of their drama that they expect the west to line up behind. i just don’t think we should back them carte blanche. our efforts in that area would be furthered if we were more switzerland about it all. i feel the same way about rice over their now. playacting.

also - why are we being so quiet about this iranian abduction of the brits? we’ve threatened them much more forcefully over alot less in the past.

Just tried to submit some very very hard facts of the Talnud but as i guessed 90% it would not go through giving the excuse of error with image!!!.

No matter how hard i treid it said the same.

You see Sparkei you can say i hate this and that, it don’t matter BECAUSE THAT IS JUST AN OPENION, but if you state FACTS with SORCES then it cannot be refuted.that would be very dangerous for the zionist.

Look up (YEBAMOTH 98a ,and ABODAH ZARAH 36b,22a&b )Also look up “www.revisionisthistory.org. and http://www.jewishtibalreview.org”

Lisa
What? I never said you hate anyone. I know, for a fact, that absolutely no consoring goes on here at SA. That’s why I frequent this political blog and no other. Its fair. Everyone can say whatever they want. If you have something, present it in simple text form… do try any images or fancy crap that you apparently don’t know how to deal with ok?

If you want credibility, deserve it. Shit or get off the potty.

rather ‘don’t try’. sorry.

BTW what is ‘talnud’ and who is ‘Sparkei’?

no zionists here. sorry to bum you out. also, don’t you think you are giving ancient texts a little too much cred? c’mon.

i was’nt accusing you of saying that i hate anyone, i wrote it as a matter of speech :you meaning you , me, them, her....

I cannot put any fancy or crap images (wish i could) a i am very new to using a computer let alone Internets and all the advances.Only been using them for about 5+ months ,so it takes me ages to type aything and when it does not go through i get upset.

But by no means iam stupid or uneducated ,even though English is not perfect as it is not my first,or second language,and have only been speaking it for a few years.

TALMUD is one of the Jewish Holy books+ MISHNA,GEMARA...etc cant say what they consist of caue it would notbe printed,just go to the web sites i gave you=(as in all of you )

try http://www.revisionisthistry.org

Sweetheart, linking to revisionisthistory is the quickest, surest way to tell the world you are a chucklehead.

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In my opinion this vow is somehow forced and it may not end well, but we have to give credit to such unique groomsmen gifts. It is an honor to the groom to have a virgin bride so if they like it like this it is ok with me.

I’m glad this spambot drew me back to this thread, it was fun rereading it.

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Defiantly weird, sex should be something that is free, as long as you are safe and it is with someone you love. All you need is love. Some of these woman may never find the right man to marry, they make it sound like it’s a default thing that happens to everyone easily. These religious ceremonies always seem to stop the freedom that we are naturally born with.

” freedom that we are naturally born with.
Marriage Problems on February 25, 2008 at 12:51 am”

Yep! The freedom to contract STDs and abort unwanted babies. Thats in the Constitution, right after the Right To Not Be Offended.

Another chucklehead toddles through.

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