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The Forum article doesn’t do this group justice. They make it seem like they’re protesting this funeral solely because of that bombing attempt at their church a few years ago; it makes very few references to their vile homophobia.

This is the same crew who set up a tombstone next to Matthew Shepard’s grave, telling mourners that “Matthew Shepard entered Hell on this date"…

J, you should not have linked to those crazy a**holes. They do not need the hits to inflate their evil, hate-filled egos more than they allready are. These anti-human,anti-civilisation jackoffs have been around for years. Moses probably had to deal with their kind! This is not dissent, this is giving aid&comfort to the enemy. Not to mention just plain hate spewing. Their veiws on just about every topic are white supremest crap.

Rob, most of the time you seem so whitebread, then that collar slips down and there it is, redneck. I am so proud! In the 80s I was taken in for throwing beer bottles at KKK members who were handing out their"newsletter" and holding their oh so cute signs. This in Lamar county Mississippi. We kept circling the block and letting fly, handed out several face and head lacerations. Cuffed&stuffed by a black cop, in a small town. You can’t backup from these kind of scumbags, right or left, smack’em down at every opportunity.

Let’s not forget that these asshelmets voted Democrat last election because Bush wasn’t being hard enough on gays.

Crazier than an outhouse rat on a three day meth and LSD binge.

I’m with 2Hotel9.  You shouldn’t link to these microcephalics any more than you should link to Kos, Democratic Underground, Indymedia, or Oliver Willis.  Don’t give crazies traffic.  It only encourages them.

I had a run-in with these idiots down on their home turn in Topeak.  They shocked the heck out of me when I first saw them.  I’m from North Dakota.  We don’t see that kind of lunacy up here.

We cruised by them a second time and I started honking them and taunting them from the car.  Why not, right?  If you can’t ridicule morons like this, who can you criticize?  Later that night I was relating my moonbat teasing experience to a local Topeakan and they told me that I should be careful because the protesters have been known to right down plate numbers and show up at your home.

I was driving a rental so nothing happened to me, but I would like to have seen them try it.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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Let’s not forget that these asshelmets voted Democrat last election because Bush wasn’t being hard enough on gays.

It’s really stupid comments like this, that warrant making the point how closely Rev. Phelp’s group has been aligned with the social Conservative movement, and how he continues to spew such hate on Fox and MSNBC’s Scarborough Country.

I strongly suspect that such unequivocal condemnation now comes because their hateful acts are becoming too damaging for the Right to ignore. Yet, these are the same justifications for 9/11 expressed publicly by Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.

Only they’ve not gone so far as picket a dead soldier’s funeral.

I strongly suspect that such unequivocal condemnation now comes because their hateful acts are becoming too damaging for the Right to ignore.

Who is “the Right”? You mention them so often and describe things like we should know what you are talking about.

Back when I lived in Lawrence Kansas, I had a roommate who got major props from me.  It seems his Grandma whacked Phelps with an umbrella while she was walking down the street.

I can’t imagine anything better than a little old lady whooping on Phelps with an umbrella (well, anything better would probably result in charges, but nobody charges 70+ year old ladies for assault).  The best part is he was protesting something, and didn’t even do anything to provoke her (beyond being the asshat that he is, of course).

If only TCF knew that Phelps ran as a Democrat in two gubernatorial primaries in the 90’s.

Phelps remained prominent in state and local politics, working for years as a major organizer for the state’s Democratic Party. (He still calls himself a Democrat, refusing to change just because his party has.) In 1988, Phelps housed campaign workers for Al Gore’s first presidential run; in 1989, his eldest son, Fred Jr., hosted a fundraiser for Gore’s Senate campaign at his home.

Phelps has frequently run for public office—for governor in 1990, ‘94, and ‘98, for the Senate in ‘92—always losing the primaries by a landslide. Because of their years as loyal Democrats, the Phelpses have even been invited to—and attended—both of Clinton’s inaugurations. They protested at the second one. But Phelps’ campaign against homosexuality actually began in earnest just before the 1992 campaign, when politicians, especially Democrats, began to openly court gay voters.

I’m sure TCF and Don Meyers will simply dismiss Mother Jones as yet another right-wing propaganda machine.

Well heck.  If Mother Jones ain’t a right wing rag, what on earth is?  [/sarcasm]

Regards…

Speaking as a conserviative evangelical Christian, the message Phelps preaches is heresy. The “god” he proclaims is not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and not the God proclaimed by Jesus of Nazareth.

Roy J., you gonna get yourself excommunicated you keep thinking and talking like that! Phelps and his crowd have been advocating race war since the 70s. It was his fledgling organization that was busted in the 80s trying to smuggle arms and explosives into Florida. His partener in this venture? The Black Panther chapter out of Atlanta. America-hating scumbags are color blind. At least till it comes time to kill people. Oh, right, they kill anyone who happens to be a easy target.

TCF, it nevers ceases to amaze me that you continue on with the one note tune of “Republicans Own Racism”. Bigots come in all colors, nationalities, religions, sexes, and political leanings. I’ve pointed out to you time and again that the Republican party has a very good (not perfect) history on racial matters. It’s as if you don’t want to hear otherwise.

Brandon,

An avowed Segregationists ran as a Republican Congressional candidate in Tennessee last November. So, am I to make the same assumptions that you draw from Phelps running as a Dem in ‘92?

It’s Phelp’s current hateful behavior that gets him invited back to Fox and Conservative radio.

I’ve pointed out to you time and again that the Republican party has a very good (not perfect) history on racial matters. It’s as if you don’t want to hear otherwise.

What you’d prefer me to do Seth, is recognize your ideal image of the Republican Party, while you continue to ignore the evidence (as stated in my last post) that proves otherwise. Today’s GOP is not the party of Lincoln, but of Ken Mehlman apologizing for the ‘Southern Strategy’.

Yes, bigots come in all forms. The Republicans just found out how to use it to their political advantage.

An avowed Segregationists ran as a Republican Congressional candidate in Tennessee last November.

But, of course, TCF isn’t telling us the whole story.  The segregationist ran unopposed (calling himself a Republican) because his opponent failed to get his paperwork filed on time.

But, really, the fact that both political parties harbor a few unmitigated jackasses doesn’t defend TCF’s claim that all Republicans are “bigots” while Democrats stand as white knights for racial equality.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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A group of Christian fundamentalists are protesting at the funeral of a marine killed by Islamic fundamentalists, and everyone ignores the elephant in the room.

Where are all the Christian leaders denouncing Rev. Phelps? To be consistent, you (i.e., conservatives) must be just upset with the refusal of, say, Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson to condemn Phelps’s teachings as you are with the refusal of moderate Muslims to condemn radical terrorists.

But, of course, most Christians don’t condemn Phelps, because Phelps has Scripture on his side. I’m reminded of the support Eric Rudolph (the American terrorist who bombed abortion clinics and gay bars) got from the radical right-wing, “Christianist” groups during his period in hiding. We need to start focusing on the real problems at hand.

Democrats hate minorities. They especially hate and despise negros. More than they hate themselves, that being JOOOS, for the more cement brained among the DNC. Oh, yea, your Great White All American Party, it is owned and run by JOOOS. Self-hating, guilt-ridden, leftist-liberal JOOOS. Have I used the word JOOOS enough. TCF and Ollie Willis and woof, et al, are all part of the KKK,LaRaza,Aryan Brotherhood school of thought. Keep everybody fighting, then pickup the pieces. They are pathetic, selfloathing, race baiting poverty pimps. How sad.

Seth Williams said, TCF, it nevers ceases to amaze me that you continue on with the one note tune of “Republicans Own Racism”.

“that colored fella” is preoccupied with race and is always looking for an enemy.  It’s a part of his cultural Marxism thinking.  It’s only too bad for him that his own party thinks he’s a nigger.

Lik, you hit that dead on. All the times I disagree with TCF I never thought of him as a"nigger". That is the difference.

Where are all the Christian leaders denouncing Rev. Phelps? To be consistent, you (i.e., conservatives) must be just upset with the refusal of, say, Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson to condemn Phelps’s teachings as you are with the refusal of moderate Muslims to condemn radical terrorists.

Has Falwell or Robertson ever actually refused to condemn Phelps?  I’m no fan of either, but I have a hard time believing they wouldn’t condemn a nut like Phelps.

Got something to back up these claims Dave?

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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Dave:
Phelps is to Christianity as pork is to kosher: not related.

The creed of Christianity is love above all else.

Has Falwell or Robertson ever actually refused to condemn Phelps? I’m no fan of either, but I have a hard time believing they wouldn’t condemn a nut like Phelps.

Got something to back up these claims Dave?

You’re the only one making a claim. Back your claim up.

The onus probandi lies with you, ma frère.

You’re the only one making a claim.

Actually...no I’m not.  You said that Falwell and Roberts refused to condemn Phelps.  I’m wondering when that happened, since you’re claiming it did.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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You’re asking me to prove that something has NOT happened. That’s impossible. I also can’t prove that there are NOT fire-breathing clowns at the bottom of the ocean, but that doesn’t mean there are.

I’m asking you to prove that something HAS happened. There’s a difference.

The fact that you’re having so much difficulty doing so shows that, even if Falwell and Co. have condemned this group, they sure haven’t been very public about it.

I’m asking you to prove that something HAS happened. There’s a difference.

Dave, has it ever occured to you that we don’t care what comes out of Jerry Falwell’s or Pat Robertson’s mouth?

You had said before, Where are all the Christian leaders denouncing Rev. Phelps? To be consistent, you (i.e., conservatives) must be just upset with the refusal of, say, Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson to condemn Phelps’s teachings as you are with the refusal of moderate Muslims to condemn radical terrorists.

So what you are basically telling us here is that since we are conservatives, we have to be Christians as well. Did you forget that you are largely talking to a bunch of conservative atheists and agnostics who don’t pay close attention to what comes out of those characters mouths?  Why would you ask us to answer for them?

Please tell me how this whole situation compares to the refusal of “moderate Muslims” to denounce terrorism.

The fact that you’re having so much difficulty doing so shows that, even if Falwell and Co. have condemned this group, they sure haven’t been very public about it.

Rob is probably not even looking it up because it is a moot point for him.

In the end you are asking us to answer for those two characters just because we are conservatives.  On top of that you are trying to compare this situation with us getting upset at the so-called “moderate Muslims” refusal to denounce terrorism.

Osama bin Laden and his ilk represent the absolute worst Islam has to offer.

Rev. Phelps and his ilk represent the absolute worst Christianity has to offer.

You get upset (and rightfully so) when Muslim religious leaders refuse to condemn the actions of Osama bin Laden.

You do NOT get upset when Christian religious leaders refuse to condemn the actions of Rev. Phelps.

I, for one, think it would be interesting to explore why religious leaders in both faiths have been so hesitant to condemn the radicals in their groups.

You would rather have a pissing contest.

Dave, have you considered that the silence is deafening (to you) because you’re (I’m assuming here) not a consumer of Christian media? The mainstream media mostly ignores Christianity except when it can be cast in a negative light. When’s the last time you heard a positive story about Christianity?

As a Christian, I’ll tell you (again) that folks like Phelps are widely reviled by Christians.

Dave said, You do NOT get upset when Christian religious leaders refuse to condemn the actions of Rev. Phelps.

Why would I? I’m not a Christian. Did you miss that part of my explanation?  You tried to tie conservatism and Christianity as if they were one and the same and you are demanding that we answer for what comes out of Jerry Falwell’s and Pat Robertson’s mouths.

I, for one, think it would be interesting to explore why religious leaders in both faiths have been so hesitant to condemn the radicals in their groups.

This is only your claim.

You would rather have a pissing contest.

No, that’s actually what you are doing.  Read above. You’re the one who started this dumb shit. I’ve just been explaining to you why your comparisons are bunk.

You’re asking me to prove that something has NOT happened. That’s impossible. I also can’t prove that there are NOT fire-breathing clowns at the bottom of the ocean, but that doesn’t mean there are.

I’m asking you to prove that something HAS happened. There’s a difference.

Dave, you’re being a bit obstinate here.

In the 5,000+ posts I’ve written for this blog I’m not sure I’ve ever explicitly condemned the words or actions of the Aryan Brotherhood.  Would it be fair for you to say that I tacity support the tenents of white supremacy because I have never explity condemned them?

Or course it wouldn’t.

And another point here is that you are saying that Falwell, et. al. have “refused” to condemn Phelps.  Which, to me, implies that they have been asked to condemn Phelps and have declined to do so.  If this has ever happened I’d be very happy if you’d point me to evidence of it.  If they’ve never even been asked to condemn Phelps I’m not going to take the fact that they’ve failed to do it on their own as evidence of their support for him.

And, to echo Likwid’s point, I’m not a Christian.  Not even close.  I’m a bit of a hedonistic atheist, if the truth be known.  I don’t have much time for the Pat Robertsons or Jerry Falwell’s of the world, so using their words to undermine my beliefs is sort of a moot point.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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[...] Here’s something we’ve covered on Say Anything before. SMYRNA, Tenn. (AP) - Members of a church say God is punishing American soldiers for defending a country that harbors gays, and they brought their anti-gay message to the funerals Saturday of two Tennessee soldiers killed in Iraq. [...]

that colored fella stupidly and ignorantly spit out, It’s really stupid comments like this, that warrant making the point how closely Rev. Phelp’s group has been aligned with the social Conservative movement, and how he continues to spew such hate on Fox and MSNBC’s Scarborough Country.

I strongly suspect that such unequivocal condemnation now comes because their hateful acts are becoming too damaging for the Right to ignore.

Ohhhh! That’s a good insult “that colored fella”. Did you know that Phelps is a Democrat who was invited to and attended both of President Clinton’s inaugurations? I guess those facts just made the bulk of your arguments total shit, didn’t it? You just love to bring up Fred Phelps over and over and over and over and over again with an honorable mention to that fellow mindless traveler of yours, Don Myers.

And after all of that,...we find out that Fred Phelps is a Democrat. You stupid jackass! Hahaha.

What are you going to do now “that colored fella”? Are you going to paint yourself with that same brush you were painting us with? Guilt by association doesn’t look so hot now, does it?

What do you care though, right? You’re just an admitted “partisan nuisance” who will use any dirty trick in the partisan playbook. This is all a game to you.