I was actually thinking of that for the wall that is 'supposed' to be built that never will.

If states and private citizens take care of it, I am sure the government will come along and tear it down.

That is the sickening part.

I would be working way too hard to try to come up with anything other than national defense that the government can do better than the private sector.

Bet Rob's right though, some piss-ant inspector will come along though and point out some violation (real or imagined) so it will all have to be re-done. And of course that means using union wage employees, driving the cost up and dragging the time line out forever. Meanwhile, screw the business that depends on the park, he's just an evil capitalist trying to make a living and employ other people.

And people want to turn over healthcare to an organization that operates at this level of efficiency?

Anecdotal, with no acknowledgment of the government influence that assists private action.

The perceived inefficiency of government is what one would expect after 30 years of destructive conservative control of government.

Of cours that distaste of govt didn't stop the capitalists from taking bailouts. And I'm sure it didn't stop any of those private entities fixing the park from participating in every govt program they could both their professional and private lives.

Without a strong central govt this country would be third world and 90% of you would be shitting outdoors.

Bet Rob's right though, some piss-ant inspector will come along though and point out some violation (real or imagined) so it will all have to be re-done. And of course that means using union wage employees, driving the cost up and dragging the time line out forever. Meanwhile, screw the business that depends on the park, he's just an evil capitalist trying to make a living and employ other people.

I think Sig fan is right.

Hey Dino2 weren't at least one of the chambers controled by Democrats during Reagans terms? (I know it was, Tip O'neil was speaker) So the Democrats had to pass the bills for Reagan to sign. Same thing with Clinton, Repubs had control for most of his two terms, Rebups drafted, Clinton signed. If you don't know how our government works with checks and balances maybe you need to go back to a basic US history class and figure it out. The Presedent never has all the power, the Congress and Senate have to pass a law first. But you can believe whatever you want.

weren't at least one of the chambers controlled by Democrats during Reagans terms?

Indeed! Just don't expect Dino to be swayed by facts.
Or reason.
Or logic.

Split those hairs however you like but the fact remains that, despite party labels, we have pursued an agenda of conservatism in fiscal and economic policy.

During the previous liberal era, even when republicans controlled things in the 50s we were on a liberal path.

There is always a dominant paradigm even as party control vacillates. For the last 30 years that paradigm has skewed very conservative in fiscal terms.

Just go to the library and see all the books written about the con era, the con revolution, the con majority. See the books written by con leaders throughout that time crowing about con dominance.

You can't run from that now that it has all turned to shit. You fucksticks own this mess.

It occurred to me how ridiculous this thread is with its complaints about government not fixing a park fast enough coming from people who hate government and have spent decades trying to destroy it.

Total idiots.

You must embrace your electoral successes and your success in dominating the agenda with your conservative imperatives. That it ended in disaster yet again (see "Great Depression"; republican control) is immaterial. Conservatism was the driving force that put us into the ditch.

You can't escape that fact. And you won't.

Dino2 are you saying the Democrats of the Mid 80's were conservative? Because if you think they were, you would hate JFK, he was more conservative then most republicans now. But I'm sure you have read enough history books to know about US politics because you have so much to bring to the conversation. And no matter what you think the Democrats have a part in our problems.

flickertail:

Because if you think they were, you would hate JFK, he was more conservative then most republicans now.

I think if JFK had run in 2000, he would have been the Republican candidate, and if Bush had run in 1960, he would have been the Democratic candidate.

Funny that Dino has a poor enough sense of history he would use "LBJ" as his mile marker.

If I have to live in a tent can I blame it on Obama?

Dino, we've gone from 50% of our federal budget being spent on entitlements in 1980, and it has grown to nearly 67% now.

Hard to explain that in terms of a policy of "just a few liberals" being forced to go to the dark side to stay in office.

Do you even know what fiscal conservatism means?

Kennedy would have thrown up if he heard that the republicans were trying to claim him.

The bottom line remains that conservatism has run us aground and there's little evidence to refute that.

You people bragged about dominating the policy agenda until it all fell apart. Now you feign innocence.

Take responsibility for your miserable failure. It's the first step to recovery if you can ever be rehabilitated.

I would never claim JFK, he was a joke of a president, I was just making a point about how left the nation has moved. I can't stand most Repubs, they are not conservative. JFK was right of Bush. I just can't stand to see the government running my life, which is what Obama wants to do. He wants to tell me how much I can make, how much I can pay my employees, and on top of it if I make too much give my money to people that aren't working. None of these are conservative values. I have never seen the government run anything right, just look at social security our government has almost bankrupted that. And we are supposed to trust them?

OBTW Has Dino2 actually answered any questions we have, or is he actually Eddy Schultz all talk no substance?

It seems to be that dino and his many incarnations (due to some idiotic excuse that Rob gave him a virus which is just an excuse for his incompetence and insecurity), seems to be a trumpeting shill for the Nazi party. He is a fetid little tangle of hatred and rage bottled up inside where he wishes death and suffering amongst conservatives, their kids, (most recent for the Tea Parties of Jonestown-like mass suicide and murder), cops, fetid homosexual rape fantasies with the other guys who don't agree with him, and a complete inability to answer questions.

In short, no.

Parthia delenda est, Rodney Graves. Not that I agree with the thought, I would substitute 'liberated' for 'destroyed', but the future passive participle aka gerundive should be used.

Man, that Dino2 is a fatuous fountain of historical ignorance, isn't he?

No one has yet to give me one example of a liberal fiscal policy pursued in the last 30 years.

Entitlement programs have existed for decades and are not that example.

Which example dinodumbfuck? Please cite at least a few specific ones. Hell, at least one.

That, in my mind makes them worse than terrorists. The insidious, underhanded destruction from the inside damaged not only our system, it diminished our way of life, created deep division and elevated cynicism towards leadership to unprecedented levels.

You love terrorism. You want America to die. I think you even mentioned the tearing down and burning of America.

At least a terror attack unites us. Conservatism's destruction has left us badly damaged by bitter division.

That right there is what makes me hate conservatism the most.

Which episode of conservative destruction are you talking about. Which program, which people, and how was it conducted?

I think what made you think that you actually took a class in quantum physics is that you just walked in on one, stayed for 2 seconds, and walked out.

Those programs existed way before the last 30 years. I asked for examples of liberal fiscal (not social-we won the culture wars) policies implemented in the last 30 years.

Of course you and yours used the programs you bitterly deride and have gained much from them. But you are a typical selfish stem who wants to fill your face at the collective trough and then pass the bills to someone else.

That's the conservative way.

dinothedumbcunt, he's telling you history and what happened. You should at least listen. We've told you so many fucking times and set examples as well as causal relationships and you scream like a little bitch that you are and ignore them.

And for you quoting us conservative ways, you show LEFTIST ways and project them onto us, something that we've always refuted time and time again, so how the hell would you know what anything is?

You can't even pretend to be reasonable.

So Dino, what would you do if you were in charge? Nationalize everything? Abolish private property and collectivize all production? Throw "the rich fatcats" into gulags? I bet you think that would be the ideal. But that's typical from a socialist gestapo goon.

Incidentally, you do know that "Nazi' is short for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, or National Socialist German Workers' Party, right?

Dino2 – Of course you and yours used the programs you bitterly deride and have gained much from them.

You don't speak for me.

For the record, me and mine have only paid into the "New Deal" and "Great Society" programs. We've never received.

But you are a typical selfish stem who wants to fill your face at the collective trough and then pass the bills to someone else.

That's the conservative way.

You're both assuming and projecting.

And truth be told, you've got a lot of balls saying that to someone who grew up a military brat; someone whose family could have received federal "help" because the pay was a pittance to a Marine who risked his life in godforsaken countries. My family had more respect and honor though. We did without, even though we were owed more than the useless piece of shits on welfare who do nothing for the money they receive.

Truth be told, YOU are the selfish "stem" (great insult there, makes you look foolish) who gorges at the collective trough and then has the nerve to pawn off your own behavior onto others. You degenerate wealth and wealth producers, calling them "greedy", while championing the looters. You're ass backwards and filled with anger. *shrugs* When you say, "that's the conservative way", you're really telling us all that it is your way. The projection of yours is so obvious.

For the record, me and mine have only paid into the "New Deal" and "Great Society" programs. We've never received.

So you were hatched? Sure. Cons never admit to taking the money.

But they all do.

And truth be told, you've got a lot of balls saying that to someone who grew up a military brat

The military is good to career people. Your life was paid for by the federal government. I have no problem with that but it seems odd that you would be so hostile to government now. The pensions are good, too. Better than what you get on the outside which is nothing.

That the military is a bad deal for a career is a myth.

Oh potato, you're such a tease!

Good job on being more to the point and brief.

Dino2 – So you were hatched? Sure. Cons never admit to taking the money.

But they all do.

I'm going to say it again: Stop. Lying. About. Me.

Your life was paid for by the federal government. I have no problem with that but it seems odd that you would be so hostile to government now.

You're an idiot. My life was not "paid for" by the government. Me and my family were never on welfare. I had a Marine Corps father who worked and worked hard for the little pay that he got.

Now let go of the lying and the projection. It is unbecoming.