Private Gun Buyers Infiltrate Seattle Law Enforcement Gun Buy-Back Program

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Gun buy-back programs are kind of stupid in that they don’t really accomplish anything, as research has shown. Even for those who believe (wrongly, in my opinion) that fewer guns means less crime and violence, it has to be obvious that the only people ditching their guns for $200 gift cards are a) people who have guns that aren’t worth much more than that on the private market or b) people who have no idea what their guns are really worth.

But that doesn’t stop law enforcement agencies from making a big show of these buy-backs anyway. Because often it’s less about outcomes than the theater of it. It satisfies public outcry for “do something.”

Anyway, something interesting happened at a buy-back in Seattle. Private gun buyers showed up offering better deals than the cops for some of the guns, ensuring that those guns which still have value don’t get destroyed:

The Seattle Police Department held its first gun buyback event since the 1990s this weekend, offering people gift cards for their firearms. However, dozens of private buyers showed up in an effort to acquire the guns using the so-called gun show loophole, which allows guns to be sold without a background check.

Hundreds of people showed up Saturday morning to give their rifles and shotguns as well as semi-automatic rifles to police in exchange for gift cards worth $100 and $200 respectively, KING 5 reports. The police planned to destroy the guns and use them as rebar in local construction projects.

Meanwhile, a number of private buyers set up a makeshift gun show-style event and offered cold hard cash for guns and even lured customers with donuts.

“I pay cash, I don’t give Amazon gift cards,” one dealer told a gun seller.

“It’s a historical firearm, I would hate to see it get destroyed. I’ll give you $100 cash for it,” another buyer offered a gun owner.

Many held up signs that let gun owners know they would pay cash for unwanted firearms.

“I’d rather see it turned back into the gun community used to promote shooting sports,” one man told KING 5.

You gotta love capitalism.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • camsaure

    More unintended consequences of liberalism. LOL

  • slackwarerobert

    Where did they have the buy back program? I thought you couldn’t go 50 feet with a gun before you became a felon from some school zone or other in southern commifornia.

    • SusanBeehler

      Case you can’t read more than a sentence the article said Seattle

      • Wayne

        What Crazy Sue, no sense of humor?

        • SusanBeehler

          “The problem is not gun laws,” “The problem is a lack of civility.”

          • slackwarerobert

            And that is cured with everyone carrying a gun. And armed society is a polite society.

      • slackwarerobert

        Aren’t they just commies with rain and snow? And that makes it even worse, the crooks in seattle were blue uniforms and carry guns.

  • SusanBeehler

    When does the right to bear arms began age 3, age 5, age 7, 12, age 14, age 16? Why hasn’t the debate addressed a “ban” for those under 18 or 21? Why do our children have the right to bear arms? It is children taking the guns of their mothers, their fathers, their uncles,their grandfathers. Why are we not proposing something to
    counteract this problem? Why should we fear children? Why should children have
    the right to bear arms? They don’t have the right to vote till their 18. So if
    caregivers, parents and other adults are giving these children guns, Why don’t
    we make this a crime? I have not heard anyone suggest this be a crime and hold
    the adults who leave access to these guns responsible.

    • Lianne

      I must be missing something. Where did this come from?

      • SusanBeehler

        I have been asking the “experts” on the 2nd amendment and no one has answered. If this is a beloved right when does it begin, what age?

        • Roy_Bean

          According to the ND Game and Fish Dept:

          Minimum Age – There is no minimum age for hunting small game, but anyone under age 15 afield with firearms must be licensed and under direct supervision of a parent, guardian, or adult authorized by
          their parent or guardian.

          I guess the 2nd amendment starts at 15 in North Dakota.

          • SusanBeehler

            I thought the 2nd amendment right was to fight the tyranny of government, not hunting?

          • Wayne

            You who clever idiot, you got us again.

          • SusanBeehler

            Idiot again?

          • yy4u2

            Let’s just say you n hanni are the Energizer Bunnies when it comes to idiots.

          • SusanBeehler

            I don’t think responsible gun owners should allow children to use their guns! http://kidshootings.blogspot.com/

      • SusanBeehler
    • HG

      Would a ban on guns for those under 18 prevent the school shootings? It would not. Currently there are limits on ownership of firearms for those under 18.

      • SusanBeehler

        What age do you have the right to bear arms?

        • HG

          The law prevents children from using guns without an adult present in my state. I think it’s pretty much the same in all states. The law also prevents handgun ownership until age 21.

          • slackwarerobert

            No, I can give my child written permission, and 21 is for purchasing a handgun, I already gave mine one and he isn’t even close to 21, but it is to risky to wait now. You just have to open carry because the police are as ignorant as you as what the law says, and won’t give you a permit to conceal.

        • 1911bullseye

          Any age you’re responsible enough to understand how and when to handle one safely. It may be 6-7, 12, 16, 20, 30, or NEVER.

          • Lianne

            And back in October, the smart 12 y/o girl, listened to her mother as she gave instructions over the phone, got the family gun, hid in the closet, and as the intruder started to turn the handle on the closet door, she shot him through the door. She or her mom had already called 911. And she did not break the law. She used the gun in the presence of an adult, the wicked intruder. She handled herself with more maturity than most adults could.

        • slackwarerobert

          When you can read the second amendment is good enough for me. (in english of course)

      • SusanBeehler

        Really, no one can seem to show me this law. Then we have all this evidence of children accessing guns, what is up?

      • slackwarerobert

        If it would then why didn’t the law banning you from taking a gun on school grounds work? He already broke state and federal laws just taking the guns to the school.

    • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

      Susan: You hyperventilated for weeks over the “Bushmaster” used at Sandy Hook. Only now the big three networks are all admitting the shooter left it in the car. Do you feel a) stupid, b) really stupid, or c) it doesn’t embarrass you not to know what you’re talking about? Just curious…

      http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/2013/01/big-3-networks-all-admit-assault-rifle.html

      • Wayne

        Facts mean nothing to her.

        • SusanBeehler

          I would hardly call stitching news pieces together facts, I call that propaganda.

          • yy4u2

            If that’s propaganda to you, what do you define your drivel as?

          • SusanBeehler

            What is your drivel? I call my posts, blogging,chatting, commenting,posting.

          • yy4u2

            Most call what u spout a waste of time and energy. Save the planet, quit wasting energy with your drivel.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Lol… ORLY?

            The rest of us who are sane/normal would call your posts something akin to this….

            http://www.horsestalls.com/m1200c.gif

          • SusanBeehler

            Yup, composting is guide for gardening.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Yup, composting is what your posts amount to.

        • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

          I thought I would give her a chance to at least fake some contrition.

      • SusanBeehler

        No, I don’t feel stupid or really stupid and it doesn’t embarrass me I choose to believe an officer of the law over a fabricated video piecing together the errors of three different news report. Don’t you feel so embarrass that you are so fixated on a bushmaster than the wanting to answer the question I posed? Why is this so important to you, rather than the issue of gun violence? So how long did it take you to stitch that video together for your paranoid friends?

        • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

          “I choose to believe an officer of the law over a fabricated video”…quoting officers of the law. No one ever accused you of being the sharpest knife in the drawer, eh, Susie?

          “So how long did it take you to stitch that video together for your paranoid friends?” Why would you assume that I did it? Two clicks of the mouse takes you to You Tube, which shows who posted the video. Don’t you ever get tired of being wrong, little Susie?

          Continue to marinate in your ignorance Susan. I just wanted to see if you had any shame at all (Stop laughing!) Apparently not.

          • Guest

            Don’t mind Goof, he actually dances on the graves of dead children and cheers for the death of more to satisfy his gun fetish.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Poor little attention whore, Gusty! We’ll add “actually” to the long list of English words he cannot quite comprehend.

            You really relish those images of dead children you continually conjure up in your tiny pinhead, don’t you Gusty? Are you a registered sex offender or are you still competing on an amateur status?

          • SusanBeehler

            You are very sick! If this was your blog, you would not be able to say those kind of things if you were a guest but since you are not in control on this blog you get to toss your profanity; chalking it up to your poor vocabulary. “Insults from anonymous trolls hardest hit.” brought to you by Proof Positive blog

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            So, the term “attention whore” bothers you? Or does it just hit too close to your own condition? We’ll just chalk up “profanity” as yet another English term you are incapable of understanding.

            In case you ever decide to educate yourself (stop laughing!) , you can see what the urban dictionary has to say about “attention whores”
            http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=attention+whore

          • Wayne

            I’ve noticed that you never have called Guest ‘sick’ when he/she/it tells people to go kill themselves. Why is that? He/she/it is the sick one here. Just another liberal hypocrite with double standards.

          • SusanBeehler

            Wayne maybe you would like to point that post out I missed so I can add ‘sick” to it. Do you think guest is the same person on every post? Is this blog just your “playground” or is it an open forum?

          • Wayne

            I’m not wasting my time but he has told people to go kill themselves on the same thread that you have called other sick. I think it is the same person that keeps telling others to go kill themselves.

          • SusanBeehler

            I am not wasting my time either, by the way, Wayne, I don’t read ever post only the ones I get a notice on or I notice. So I can easily miss calling everyone “sick” who is “sick” sounds like you have a lot of “buddies” you want to defend on your blog “playground”. Just because you think someone is someone or the “same as”, doesn’t make it so. Just because someone says things are true, doesn’t make it so. That is where you need to be smarter than a first grader.

          • Guest

            I’ve noticed you only complain about insults directed to you. Before I had to go to anonymous posting, I was routinely assaulted. Just another conservative hypocrite with double standards.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            And this explains you posting as a five year old girl, how exactly?

          • Guest

            It explains how conservatds are so paranoid that they create fantasy worlds where only one person could possibly the the source of their discontent. What a Goof!

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Don’t get your crinolines all in a bunch, Gusty.

          • Guest

            I think I’ll take a page from Goof’s book and assume the source of all things I dislike must be from an alias of Goof. Thus, why did you agree to appear in lemonparty.org, Goof?

          • Onslaught1066

            they create fantasy worlds where only one person could possibly the(sic) the source of their discontent.

            Bush did it.

            Say, Gusty, you ever get around to digging up a verifiable fact yet?

          • Guest

            Say Shaton1066, you ever get around to proving that anything posted was every opinion?

          • Onslaught1066

            With every breath you take.

            How’s your BDS?

          • Guest

            “With every breath you take.”

            Couldn’t even think of one, poor Shaton1066.

          • Onslaught1066

            You sure is stupid, ain’t ya’?

          • two_amber_lamps

            We know that it’s opinion (ie a lie) when you profess to being a 5 year old girl on those hockey forums you post on, rather than verifiable fact.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Fantasy world…. like a grown man impersonating a 5 year old girl on hockey forums…

            What else do you fantasize about you sick f$%k?

          • two_amber_lamps

            So tell us again… why do you impersonate 5 year old girls on hockey forums?

          • Guest

            And dis explains why Goof agreed to gurgle old man dick at the lemonparty, how exactlie? I can understand if it takes you a few minutes to attempt to jack it to misspellings before you finally recall your debilitating impotence, Goof.

          • Wayne

            How original. How many people told you to kill yourself like you like to tell people to do? You are the biggest jerk commenting on this blog. And that is saying a lot. Just go away. You don’t add anything to the discussion with your utter BS.

          • Guest

            First, pointing out that the world would undoubtedly be better off if they killed themselves is not the same thing as telling them to kill themselves. You also ignore the fact Goof, twoamberlamps, willieb, etc and the like are equally terrible, but typical hack lack you only complains when they get what they give.

          • Wayne

            No one has said that anyone should go kill themselves except you. All you have is insults, no facts, just insults. You are a complete waste of time.

          • Guest

            No, but Wayne is a complete waste of life for being so blithely disconnected from reality. I point out facts all the time. What happened when I pointed out that all Presidents have used the recess power in a manner that a Court of Appeals found impermissible yesterday?

            “Look at “guest” staying up all night, alone, on a blog typing with one hand. Are you closely related to hannitized?”

            Of course, Hairbrained Wayne just ignores inconvenient facts that he doesn’t agree with or that his side often instigates flame wars. Thank for your putting your appalling reasoning skills on display for all to see and laugh at, Hairbrained Wayne!

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            “all Presidents have used the recess power in a manner that a Court of Appeals found impermissible yesterday”

            Except they didn’t. The fact that there were other presidents who abused it (none to the point where BO had the chutzpah to actually declare the Senate in recess), but even a little effort on your part, chucklehead, would have discovered that not “all” the presidents used the recess power in this manner. Don’t you ever get tired of being wrong, Gusty?

            Or is the word “all” just a little bit beyond your grasp, Gusty?

          • Guest

            Typical Goof and his typical lies. Reading is apparently extremely difficult to Goof, so the simplest I can put is the court concluded that only appointments between sessions of Congress, not those while Congress is in recess, are constitutional. The later is something almost all Presidents have done and has been ruled unconstitutional, but typical Goof wouldn’t know that since he has the reasoning capacity of a brain dead sloth. Is understanding reading material a little beyond your grasp, Goof? Another man’s dick sure wasn’t when you got your picture taken for lemonparty.org!

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            More projection from the gutless anonymous troll!

            “The available evidence shows that no President attempted to make an intrasession recess appointment for 80 years after the Constitution was ratified.
            http://tbrickert.wordpress.com/2013/01/26/noel-canning-v-nlrb-a-restoration-of-the-balance-of-powers/

            What part of no president for 80 years makes your “all presidents” a big steaming pile of lies and delusions on your part, Gusty?

            You can call the truth lies all day long, Gusty, but your impotent rage against reality fails again.

          • Guest

            Thanks Goof for proving that your claim that no President has done what Obama has done with appointments absolutely and unequvocally incorrect. :) What with proving his argument wrong, Goof really does suck at arguing, almost as much as he was sucking when he had his picture taken for lemonparty.org. What a Goof!

            I’ve also started purposefully leaving misspellings in my posts to annoy you and as a sign of my utter lack of respect for you to bother proofreading.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Your inability to understand simple English, construct a cogent argument, get any of your facts straight, or prove yourself in any way to be relevant are all duly noted. Now, go impersonate a five year old girl or whatever it is you do best (if anything).

          • Guest

            Goof’s inability to understand how he proved his own argument false and his penchant for sucking old man dick like when he got his picture taken for lemongparty. org are duly noted. Now, go have sex with more curmudgeonly Alzheimer’s sufferers such as yourself o whatever is you like best (not anything, except possibly dancing on the graves of dead kindergartners).

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Your projection is once again on display for all to see. I haven’t checked out your links, cowardly pervert, but if they are as you describe, one can only wonder why you are so familiar with the site?

          • Guest

            Clearly, Goof isn’t familiar with online pranks of getting people to visit disasteful sites such a rickrolling, just as he isn’t aware of easily obtainable facts such as first president making a recess appointment (apparently now deemed unconstitutional) of a judge. I can assure you that even the worst interent shock site doesn’t hold a candle to parade of horrors that comprise Goofs blog. What a Goof!

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Still having trouble with your use of the word “all”, eh, chucklehead? As in it couldn’t have been “all” presidents, if no president did it for 80 years? Is it the definitions of the words that confuse you or the miniscule amount of math and logic it would take for you to make the correct conclusion? (“All”, minus 80 years worth = less than “all”).
            Really sucks to be you, doesn’t it, chucklehead? (Literally, perhaps, given your taste in websites)

            But go back and drool over your favorite pictures. You’ve already visited those sites 100% more than I. If you get off on that sort of thing just admit it. NTTAWWT.

          • Guest

            Goof already provedd he was wrong that no President has done what Obama has done with appointments and has completely failed to show otherwise. Really does suck to be Goof doesn’t it? Quite literally according to his appearance at lemonparty.org. There’s really no point visiting site when Goof say the content first hand. What a Goof!

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Let’s recap: Gusty made a false, factually untrue (and stupid) statement about all presidents. I proved Gusty to be categorically wrong. The Chucklehead Gusty responds with unfounded smears about me personally and links to his favorite gay* porn site**. (Which could be either Gusty’s homepage or his personal blog. I tend to lean towards the latter, since Gusty seems so intent on driving traffic there.)

            *Funny how all those supposedly tolerant liberals who supposedly believe that homosexuality is just another lifestyle, to be freely accepted in society, are among the first to use it as if it were a vile insult when it suits their purposes (i.e. when they are losing an argument to a conservative)

            **Going from Gusty’s description, never having visited the site myself, or any link that particular chucklehead might care to post. .

          • Onslaught1066

            Excerpted from “I Am The Very Model Of A Modern Liberal Democrat”
            By Onslaught

            “In fact when I can denigrate an African American (R)
            With slurs the like of which were never dreamt of by the Ku Klux Klan.
            When I can fight for death row cads just like they were my son or brother
            Or the right of murder that belongs to an expectant mother.
            When I can call my enemy, but not my homo friend, a fag
            And tolerate behavior that would likely make a maggot gag.
            Then all my wastrel pals would turn their beaming faces up at me
            And say a better liberal democrat they never hope to see.”

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Sounds like somebody has their number!

          • Onslaught1066

            And boy were they pissed when I put that up online.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            I understand that when all the liberals blow their dog whistles all at once, it really hurts their ears!

            You should probably repost the whole thing, or at least link to it. If Gusty can openly link to his gay porn blog, surely you can post a link to a bit of cutting satire?

          • Onslaught1066

            Here is the whole thing, since I am loathe to bring overwhelming SPAM to the host site.:

            I AM THE VERY MODEL OF A MODERN LIBERAL DEMOCRAT

            LIBERAL
            I am the very model of a modern liberal democrat
            A hurtful, hate-filled, vile, vicious, low down, no good, dirty rat
            I’m venal and pernicious and obnoxious and deplorable
            And yet despite it all my mother still finds me adorable.
            I spend my time producing copious amounts of excrement
            Then fling it, like a monkey, ’round all over Al Gores internet
            I loudly shout to one and all my intellect superior
            Then demonstrate with equal verve my acumen inferior.

            ALL
            Then demonstrate with equal verve my acumen inferior.
            Then demonstrate with equal verve my acumen inferior.
            Then demonstrate with equal verve my acumen inferi-eiror.

            LIBERAL
            My grasp of fact is not the best; in truth it is quite tenuous
            My view of history, ‘bout the same, is fractured, filtered, nebulous.
            A hurtful hate-filled vile vicious low down no good dirty rat
            I am the very model of a modern liberal democrat.

            ALL
            A hurtful hate-filled vile vicious low down no good dirty rat
            He is the very model of a modern liberal democrat.

            LIBERAL
            I’ve studied Saul Alinsky and I’m practiced as a radical.
            I cling to every tenant of the socialist, fanatical.
            I make my rounds of all the liberal hotspots on the internet.
            Then parrot what I read just like some kind of mind numb malcontent.
            The topics that I comment on are peppered well with BDS.
            I get the talking points I mouth from CNN and PBS.
            The New York Times is like a bible that I pray to everyday.
            I never question anything, no matter how dumb, that they say.

            ALL
            I never question anything, no matter how dumb, that they say
            I never question anything, no matter how dumb, that they say
            I never question anything, no matter how dumb, that they say, they say.

            LIBERAL
            I bloviate and obfuscate and knowingly prevaricate
            I castigate, vituperate, at slinging mud, I’m really great.
            A hurtful hate-filled vile vicious low down no good dirty rat
            I am the very model of a modern liberal democrat.

            ALL
            A hurtful hate-filled vile vicious low down no good dirty rat
            He is the very model of a modern liberal democrat.

            LIBERAL
            In fact when I can denigrate an African American (R)
            With slurs the like of which were never dreamt of by the Ku Klux Klan.
            When I can fight for death row cads just like they were my son or brother
            Or the right of murder that belongs to an expectant mother.
            When I can call my enemy, but not my homo friend, a fag
            And tolerate behavior that would likely make a maggot gag.
            Then all my wastrel pals would turn their beaming faces up at me
            And say a better liberal democrat they never hope to see.

            For my militant proclivities, both overt and clandestine-y,
            Have only been brought down since the middle of our last century.
            But still, a hate-filled vile vicious low-down no good dirty rat,
            I am the very model of a modern liberal democrat.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Very nice! Both Gilbert and Sullivan would have been proud!

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            With your permission, I’ll reprint it over at Proof Positive, with attribution, and I’ll deal with any SPAM it generates!

          • Onslaught1066

            Granted and thanks.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            And the link is here, whenever you want to send people to see it.

            http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/2013/01/i-am-very-model-of-modern-liberal.html

          • two_amber_lamps

            F$%king priceless!

          • Guest

            Let’s Recap: Goof accuses me of lying and then posts a link destroying his own argument! Goof sure does suck at arguing or reasoning! What a Goof! Go back to sucking old man dick like when you got you picture taken for the lemon party!

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Is your problem that you still can’t figure out what “all” means? Or has your ADD kicked in and you can’t remember your original argument at all? My link destroyed your argument, your denial and latent homosexual tendencies (NTTAWWT) notwithstanding.

            Please continue to promote your lemon blog. It enhances what little credibility you have left beautifully. /sarc

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            There’s no “parade of horrors” on my blog, other than your infantile attempts at insults, written with your own inimitably bad spelling and grammar. Still, don’t be so hard on yourself.

            And now that you’ve finally figured out how to get through the “child-proof caps” on the comments, are you going to keep perpetuating the lies that I don’t allow “free speech” on my blog? Or will you merely continue with your more usual banal lies?

            Gusty’s inaugural bleating under his new screen name:
            http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/2013/02/quote-du-jour_2.html?

          • slackwarerobert

            And the worst part is it was his own party keeping the senate open. No president has made appointments while the senate was in session till obama. That they didn’t do much is nothing new since reid took over the leadership. If he can’t get reid to approve his crooks, he should nominate better crooks. But the worst of all is the SCUM in the house who will not get our money back these illegals stole from the treasury.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Harry Reid’s Do Nothing Senate doesn’t fit the narrative. That’s why when Obama ran against the “Do nothing Congress” in 2012, Reid’s name was seldom mentioned.

          • Onslaught1066

            There you go conflating opinion and fact again.

            The fact that you have an opinion does not make your opinion a fact.

            The next time you think you have a fact, little gusty, why don’t you first run it by a 5th grade girl, which you are not smarter than, and save yourself much embarrassment and us much hilarity?

          • two_amber_lamps

            The FACT is you impersonate 5 year girls on hockey forums… what else do you do in your spare time?

            http://getdefault.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Why-dont-you-have-a-seat-over-there.jpg

          • Guest

            FACT is your’re an obese c*nt who has effectively committed suicide by wasting life away with these uninspired insults.

          • two_amber_lamps

            The world would be a better place if those who impersonate 5 year old girls on hockey forums would kill themselves….

          • Guest

            Yawn. Two_amber_lamps fat cells must be conglomerating in her brain if the best she can do is throw back the same insult word for word. I await your “I know you are, but am I” response right after catch your breath from all that typing, as we know it’s the only exercise you ever get.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Why would I resort to “I know you are, what am I?” when I don’t impersonate 5 year old girls on hockey forums?

            So why do you impersonate 5 year old girls on hockey forums?

          • Guest

            For the same reason you post smart, insightful comments: It’s not true.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Now, now Gusty…. we know the truth.

            So why do you impersonate 5 year old girls on hockey forums?

          • two_amber_lamps

            We have the words of Mr. Goon vs. the words of a hackneyed impersonator of 5 year old girls on hockey forums.

            Who’s words have more weigh?

            So tell us, why do you feel the need to impersonate 5 year old girls on hockey forums? Is this the only place in which you do such things? What other deviant behavior do you indulge in Mr. 3M Adhesive fume huffer?

          • two_amber_lamps

            So do you just impersonate 5 year old girls on those Hockey Forums? Or do you stalk them too?

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Susan: Be a dear, scroll down and check out some of the filth being offered up here by your fellow traveler “Guest”. Show your solidarity with him and click over to the apparently gay male pornography site* he links to. Just how vile would this anonymous troll have to get, until it might be permissible for me to filter him out of my PG-13 blog?

            And how many times must he parrot the same tired lies and lame insults before I do my readers a service and spare them from his banal and impotent drive by libels?

            Is it an offense against “free speech” if I have standards? If you enter a restaurant that has a sign: “No shoes, no shirt, no service”, are they prohibiting you from eating or just eating…there?

            Ema Nymton, for example, is a liberal who stops by frequently to disagree with me and insult me (Or tries). Ema at least has the spine to adopt a name he/she or it uses in cyberspace and sticks with it. Ema’s words are not kind, but they are civil. And Ema attempts to take issue with me for what I write. Sometimes, it scarcely rises above ad hominem, but occasionally, Ema will attempt a rational argument, which arguments I rebut. You can read all of her comments on many different posts. Sometimes, she even spams the same comments on other blogs where my posts are cross posted, where I merely mock her (It’s hard to think of “Ema” as anything other than “her”) lack of originality.

            If, however, all you want to do is insult me and my readers, with no factual basis, never contributing to the topic at hand, then perhaps I should merely hang a sign for those too cowardly (like “Guest”), to claim their own comments:

            “No name. No spine. No service.”

            *Just going by Gusty’s description of it. No desire to see it for myself.

          • SusanBeehler

            I block pornography, his site is inaccessible from my computer.
            “If, however, all you want to do is insult me and my readers, with no factual basis, never contributing to the topic at hand, then perhaps I should merely hang a sign for those too cowardly (like “Guest”, to claim their own comments:” Are you talking to me or the “guest”, I am not sure what you are trying to tell me? Do you want me to be your ally or something?

            My point is so many people on this blog are “in your face” about their interpretation of the 2nd amendment and choosing not to having any kind of “real” conversation about the gun violence in our country. It is all about your rights, while I am saying we all have to compromise our rights sometimes because we are humans, all Americans trying to live our lives the way we want and YOU are willing to sacrifice “regulate” freedom of speech , a right yet unwilling to find any kind of common ground to “regulate” the 2nd amendment. Why do you think it is okay to regulate one and not another? That is my point about the first amendment. I agree with you; regulating profanity; it is your site, but than you are all “hostile” if any one dare interpret your 2nd amendment differently than you. It is a double standard why not find common ground to make our America better. I find it extremely offensive, and treasonous to say you and other 2nd ammenders will take up arms against your government if they do something YOU do not want them to do and then hide behind your “fear” and “paranoia” you have created not based on the truth but on the reality you choose to believe.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            “Do you want me to be your ally or something?” No. You seemed to be taking at face value the bleatings of a foul mouthed troll who is free to comment on my blog all he wants, should he just take the time to sign in other than “anonymously” (and keep a civil tongue in his head). I just wanted you to take a good look at the one with whom you appeared to be allying yourself with.

            “yet unwilling to find any kind of common ground to “regulate” the 2nd amendment.” We found lots of common ground back in 1934, hence, I don’t own a submachine gun. I could if I wanted to go through the expense and the hassles, but I choose not to.

            Why is it that the majority of “regulations” being proposed to add to or take away from the Second Amendment all have in their scope, the elimination of the freedoms of the law abiding, without any effect on the law breakers or mentally defective?

            “you are all “hostile” if any one dare interpret your 2nd amendment differently than you” “Hostile”? Are you saying I do not suffer fools lightly? That I am “hostile” to those who do not have their facts straight or live in some fantasy world? No more so that for any other fact of life, or any other amendment. Words mean things. We are a nation of laws. Our Constitution has served us well for over 200 years. I suppose at times I do get “hostile” to those who would overthrow it, or ignore it, knowing what the alternatives would be.

            How would you feel if every year, the community came together to discuss the problems with the Susan Beehler estate. You have a fence at the boundary lines of your property and every year, your neighbors dispute where the lines should be, so every year, you “compromise” and make your boundaries a little smaller. The next year, the community comes to you again and says, just be reasonable! All we want is a “reasonable compromise” between where you think the borders are and where the neighbors think they should be. How many years in a row would you be willing to make a “reasonable” compromise, before you decided that none of the compromises were compromises at all, but erosions of your freedom and property? And the next year, the community yet again declares the compromises didn’t go far enough. Is there a time before your neighbors’ yards touch in the middle of your front yard before you should get “hostile” to their machinations?

            I have lived long enough and seen what the proposed bans have done in other countries to know that not only will the proposed bans not work, they will actively make things worse. At which point our darling gun banning politicians will declare that we simply didn’t go far enough and will propose yet another, more draconian “compromise” which also will not solve the problem, but which further erodes our rights as citizens.

            Or, we could try to address the real problems…

          • SusanBeehler

            Sounds like life, how you feel is a choice. Who was talking a ban this is about gun buy back?

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Gun buy backs don’t work either. It rids the streets of broken and worthless guns, or the guns of the law abiding. The only reason a crook would get rid of a functioning weapon at a gun buy back would be if he believed the “no questions asked” and needed to get rid of incriminating evidence. If stolen guns are turned in, what is the policy of returning them to their rightful owners? *crickets chirp*

          • SusanBeehler

            Crooks are getting their guns from their friends and families according to a Justice report, I am sure many of the guns are coming from the law abiding gun owners, because daddy would not want his son to be denied his “right”

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            I’d be curious to see this justice “report”, given the current dishonesty of the current “Justice” department. Have you a link to it?

            To the extent that lawmakers are able to ban the legal sale of firearms, the greater the black market would become. Drugs come across our borders by the ton. If it became profitable to smuggle guns in the country, do you think it would be harder to buy a gun than to buy drugs?

            And if I were a smuggler, I would smuggle in far more lethal weapons than the puny Bushmaster. Then, you have zero legal control over those weapons, but make more lethal weapons available to those willing to break the law. .

            “I am sure many of the guns are coming from the law abiding gun owners”

            You may be sure of many things that aren’t true. Most law abiding citizens are “hostile” to crime and aware, in this litigious society, that they might be held legally liable for any gun they “loan” or give to family or friends. I can only speak personally to my father and his brother, and me and my brother, and all my children, that there are three generations of “Positives” whose guns have not been involved in criminal activity or loaned or given to anyone who might abuse them.

          • SusanBeehler

            I am glad you had a well behaved family. What I do not understand is we have one side talking a ban and another side saying nothing except do not “infringe” I really do not think a “ban” is answer, I think we should look somewhere else for better answers so when I looked at the school shootings, in several cases it identified the shooters getting their guns from their mom, fathers, grandfathers and then I found this http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=940

            What if, and this is if, we somehow restrict ages and hold owners responsible for enforcing? If this “right” is so precious to gun owners than why won’t they help with a solution, because someday a ban could become a reality if we don’t turn this “beast” around. “Lazy” should not ever be an excuse for a gun to get in a young person’s hand to commit a crime. I believe the gun lobby has helped contribute to the problem too.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            “another side saying nothing except do not “infringe”…” When one side is running around like a chicken with its head cut off, bleating we have to do SOMETHING now, it’s not necessarily a bad thing for one side to counsel restraint until a rational proposal can be put forward.

            Rather than irrationally doing something, anything, because “something has to be done”, consider the Hippocratic oath: First, do no harm.

            You might also want to look at the knee jerk reactions liberals have towards the NRA, when they propose educational programs for schools. When the Neanderthals on the Left can get over “Education good, Gun education bad”.

            You personally need to get over your assumption that just because gun owners don’t do what you think they should, that they are somehow unconcerned with the problem. And maybe forgive them when they are hostile to those who merely want to recycle the failed solutions of the past, which could make the problems worse.

            As far as getting guns from “friends”, have you ever considered what proportion of violent crime is gang related? If you were to join a gang, who do you think your “friends” would be? If your “friends” are engaged in illegal activities, what percentage of those “friends” do you think would be deterred by yet more gun laws? Yeah. Right.

          • SusanBeehler

            “You might also want to look at the knee jerk reactions liberals” In our state it is not knee jerk liberals, it is our republican leadership jerking, by changing laws in response to a problem that is not happening here. This is a urban and rural division too. North Dakota does not have the population of one large city in most large states and most of our murders, just 15 in 2011 committed because of domestic violence, one police officer responding domestic violence, the rest all “friends” and only 3 strangers to the killer. Knifes were used in many of them.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Famously, David Dinkens, mayor of New York, was asked by a reporter for a reaction on two tourists who had been killed in NYC. “That’s why we need more gun control”, intoned the mayor. Unfortunately, the tourists had been stabbed to death.

            Let’s apply whatever gun control liberals want to try out in Chicago, NYC and Washington DC where gun control has been a colossal failure. When we see improvement there, we can talk about implementing it in other places.

          • SusanBeehler

            My opinion of the problem in DC may have something to do with Virginia. Guns no know geographic boundaries. Wisconsin may have something to do with Chicago, maybe even North Dakota and Minnesota helps support the thugs in Chicago.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            “Guns no know geographic boundaries.” Neither do criminals. When the NRA campaigned for tougher penalties for criminals who used guns during the commission of a crime in Virginia, do you know who opposed them? Yes. Those dear, “for the children” liberal Democrats.

          • SusanBeehler

            They were wrong

          • banjo kid

            What profanity I did not read one word that was profane in proofs post maybe a few demonstrative words but that is the relish of the language to use those, it gets a point across real fast.

          • SusanBeehler

            Profanity, also known as swearing, cursing, coarse language, foul speech, strong language, dirty words, ‘cussing’, bad words, bad language, vulgar language, From the looks of it the “guest” and others have their own personal battle going on and I will bow out.

          • banjo kid

            proof did not use any thing close to that if you want to use the hypernym then you might possible be correct but each word you used to call proof’s words profane does not show that they were. The generic word would mean something less than profanity .

          • mickey_moussaoui

            How many babies have you demoncrats aborted today?

          • SusanBeehler

            How many of you “responsible” gun owners killed today?

            http://kidshootings.blogspot.com/

          • two_amber_lamps

            Don’t mind little gusty! He just impersonates 5 year old children on Hockey Forums since his dead-end job as a contractor at 3M obviously doesn’t keep him busy enough.

            Perhaps you should consider a part time job to OCCUPY your time? 7-11 is always hiring? Or maybe you could just go take yourself a dirt nap.

          • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com Goon

            Really dumbass and how is it that you came to this moronic conclusion?

            First off you buffoonish piece of shit, I served my country with honor and actually know the definition of Honor, duty and country. I also also besmirch people’s children and dead parents like you do you disgusting sock puppet. And when did you served your country. Never right?. Second, I am a lawful citizen that practices safety when I am in the field or at the range and I like how you hide behind your fake proxy IP addresses and or your multiple log in names from your Redwood Falls, MN IP address.

          • SusanBeehler

            Proof you positively thoroughly did your research with two clicks and youtube. Maybe you are right and then the gun maker came in decided to send out confusing information to multiple news media so they could sell more bushmasters, maybe it is a conspiracy by bushmaster to get more gun sales, look the site I was led to after reading it was a bushmaster, the site lead me here. Maybe it was not a conspiracy to drive a gun ban but to drive gun sales!!! What if? http://www.bushmaster.com/firearms/xm-15.asp

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Denial is a river inside your head, Susie.

          • SusanBeehler

            Proof is the alcohol your brain is floating in.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Oh, my. Keep your day job, little Susie.

          • SusanBeehler

            Oh my, Lions, tigers and erroneous news reports! Click your heels and you will find yourself back in Kansas

          • slackwarerobert

            Just heard a great synopsis of that movie. Cute little girl goes on a trip and kills the first person she comes across, then gets a gang together and goes off to hunt down someone else.

          • Wayne

            You are sick!

          • SusanBeehler

            No you are

          • Wayne

            You think you’re so smart. but you sound like a five year old.

          • SusanBeehler

            No you are

          • SusanBeehler

            Is your river wider than mine? http://kidshootings.blogspot.com/

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            You need to work on your “snappy comebacks”, little Suzie. Five days is a bit long.

          • two_amber_lamps

            You’ll have to give her additional time… no pictures means she has to find someone to read the blog to her and the live in caretaker has been on hiatus for the last few days apparently.

          • SusanBeehler

            You do not think about me after a few days? I am so disappointed, I thought we had a thing going on.

          • yy4u2

            How many purple elephants are in your vicinity at any one time? Give it up. You n hanni got schooled once again.

          • SusanBeehler

            Who is hanni?

          • SusanBeehler

            I can’t stop laughing at you, either!

      • SusanBeehler

        You crack me up keep the jokes rolling!! I see your blog is not open to FREE speech, pretty funny stuff, Jesse Ventura is begging you to get a grip “You only hurt our cause by promoting false conspiracies and crackpot agendas.” I found this link through the sayanythingblog ads http://www.salon.com/2013/01/24/whither_the_sandy_hook_truthers/?utm_source=scribol.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=scribol.com

        • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

          ” I see your blog is not open to FREE speech” Don’t you ever get tired of being wrong, little Susie? If by free speech, you mean I do not allow anonymous spam, then we’ll put down “free speech” as yet another concept you are incapable of understanding.

          Here’s my policy on commenting, crepe Suzette. Have an adult read it to you.

          “Commenting here is a privilege, not a right. Disagreement is welcome, even encouraged, but spam, unduly profane, or offensive speech is subject to removal by the staff, management, editor and publisher of this blog. (Insults from anonymous trolls hardest hit.)”

          I have never removed a comment from anyone who wanted to discuss anything posted on my blog. Brain dead, drive by libels simply do not add to the conversation. And I really have seen the amount of spam decrease, while adding new commenters all the time, since I tweaked the policy.

          You and the guy who impersonates five year old girls should really get together sometime. You have a lot in common. .

          • SusanBeehler

            No I was referring to what you like to do on this blog “Insults from anonymous trolls hardest hit.” Yeah your idea of FREE speech: “your way our the highway kind”

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            You speak from ignorance, as usual, little Suzie. You have not seen samples of speech I have allowed, even from the brain dead troll gusty.

            But the gratuitous, off topic libels that he was dumping on my blog on a daily basis. Oh, but then you haven’t seen those either.

            You are very confident in your ignorance, Suzie. The rest of us are merely confident that you are ignorant. Now rant and bleat some more. I’m sure you enjoy the clicking of the keys echoing inside the vast, empty canyons of your head.

          • SusanBeehler

            You speak from what youtube, urban dictionary, comic books? BleAT ,bleat BEEP beep

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            If you think it’s so easy, little Suzie Ditz, ask Rob for a reader blog and stun us with your wit and ability! (Stop laughing!)

          • SusanBeehler

            Did I offend you, hurt your feelings, kind of like getting a bad grade on your little art project? I am sorry I didn’t know you had so much of your ego invested in your little pet project?

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            You have a very high opinion of yourself if you think I value your opinion on anything of import. Or possibly delusions of adequacy. (or both) You tell me! Or better yet, don’t.

          • Wayne

            Hahaha…I can’t.

          • Guest

            Goof is such a hypocrite. He actually changed his policy on anonymous posting because he was too sensitive about his senility and impotence. What a Goof!

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Poor little attention whore, Gusty! When I let you comment freely, all you did was keep coming by with the same stale insults, day after day, sometimes more than once a day, and never with anything on topic. I figured if you were boring me that badly, you’d bore the rest of my readers as well. And I was spending a lot of time cleaning my inbox of anonymous spam, all of whom were complimentary to me, but nevertheless spam. So I killed two birds with one stone.

            I have liberal commenters (not brain dead like you, Gusty) who come and disagree with me and try to insult me, but they don’t have potty mouths and they at least try to comment on topic. If you weren’t such a spineless coward, little girl impersonator, you could stop by and at least try to make a cogent argument.

          • yy4u2

            We’d have a better chance seeing God than your last statement coming true.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Maybe you should change your policy on posting as a 5 year old girl on Hockey Forums? People might confirm their conclusions that you’re a perv.

      • SusanBeehler
        • two_amber_lamps

          Only a deluded busibody bureaucrat leftist “Test Administrator” (whatever that is) from Mandan would post links to a moveon.org site and post a picture of Ronald Reagan for their avatar.

          You need help… serious psychological “deep rooted issues” help Ms. SuzyB. You’re completely detached from reality.

          • SusanBeehler

            I am driving you crazy, aren’t I?

          • two_amber_lamps

            Mental patients don’t generally cause their doctors to go insane.

            You have my pity demented “test administrator” (whatever that is).

          • SusanBeehler

            Thank you for calling me your doctor!

          • two_amber_lamps

            Whoops! Fixed it for ya Comrade loony bin.

      • $8194357

        Made for tv mass media propaganda, huh.
        kind of reminds me how Hillary told everyone that the
        mexican drug cartels were dropping all those semi autos
        coming from American gunshow loop holes but turned
        out her %90 number was just a tad bit ,shall we say,”untruthful”?
        %90 of 17 per cent and most of those full auto military issue..
        Corruption rules the day in DC, huh..
        FORWARD to the one world new world order, IMO..

        • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

          If it doesn’t fit the narrative, it goes down the memory hole or gets bent to fit.

          • $8194357

            Manufacturing the narritive to deconstruct/construct the false utopian dream. Someone has to pay and do the dirty work…
            even in utopia, huh..
            Elitists on top…
            Made for mass consumption useful idiots on the bottom..

      • slackwarerobert

        I like the stories how the little bodies had 10-11 bullets in them. If he only fired 100 rounds, and had 27 dead, that is 270+ bullets. So who was the other shooter?

        • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

          I saw at least one story that suggested there could have been a second shooter. Expect the media to follow up on it with the same accuracy as before.

          • banjo kid

            There were two in the woods surrounding the school and one leaving in a van they all had camo suits . I still don’t know but very little about the shooting but I do know the incompetence in reporting has reached an all time low .

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            It seems the MSM goes for the “sensational” above the “accurate”. Their credibility is down there with used car salesmen, liberals and pet psychics.

          • awfulorv

            Add to those, Criminal Profilers, Sasquatch sighters, and Celebrity ghost tale spinners….

          • SusanBeehler

            Was “debunked”

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            I didn’t say it was valid, I said I saw it. We’re talking about MSM coverage here and the “stories” that were put out. Try to keep up.

        • SusanBeehler

          You are sick!

    • John_Wayne_American

      Unbelievable,
      Do actually even read what you post?
      How many times a day do the nice people in white administer your meds?

      • SusanBeehler

        Answer a question with a question?

    • mickey_moussaoui

      suzyQ

      The only “why” question that needs to be asked is “WHY DO YOU TORTURE US WITH YOUR INSIPID, MINDLESS COMMENTS” ?

    • headward

      Child cannot enter into private contracts. That means they cannot buy guns or cars. They need their parents to do it for them.
      I think we can come to a good compromise. Liberals can renounce their 2nd amendment rights and no longer carry guns. Others can keep this right and be happy. It’s a win-win.

      • SusanBeehler

        I don’t think that is a win-win, because what will your litmus test be for a liberal? can they do a blood test to find what shade of blue they have, blue, red, or somewhere in between?

        • slackwarerobert

          How stupid their elected officials are. You can’t claim you aren’t a lib with nuts like bloomberg in office. Or you can use the old tried and true method, they yell gun control while surrounding themselves with armed guards.

        • headward

          Well if you’re wanting more gun control. Simple enough you’re most likely a liberal. Then you sign some forms that say you no longer are need of your second amendment right. We’ll say it’s bill of rights buy back program. You can sell your rights back to the government.

      • SusanBeehler

        Why are they getting guns? http://kidshootings.blogspot.com/

    • slackwarerobert

      Because in america you are not responsible for the crimes of your father. You are thinking of iran. Lets see, started shooting at 5, so there is the age, you can’t shoot a gun if you don’t have one. Because of obama I had no choice but to buy my 7 year old an AR. Between the price jumps, and the banning, there was no way I was leaving him without. Wish mine had done the same for me and bought the machine gun while you could. Now they want to ban me giving him a weapon, so he has my 50 cal also. So if he goes nuts, I suggest a very thick wall to hide behind. There would be a lot less pedophiles in the priesthood if those altar boys had been carrying guns instead of being forced to holster them.

    • banjo kid

      I think most parents would not turn their children loose with guns although they may teach them to respect them and the proper use of them . A16 year old can not buy a gun. I believe it is 18 in some states and 21 in others. I don’t know where you got the information that parents were giving guns to their 3 years old kids but I have never seen stats on that one . The Mother of the shooter was held responsible the one who did the Sandy hook shooting, she paid with her life. The danger in looking hard at our mental health laws is that we stand to have sane people locked up and their rights taken away . Remember we used to shock people and do lobotomies on them and we used to bleed people to cure an illness and now we do chemo and radiation one of the cruelest things that can be done to a human . Can we say we might expect more of these shootings but we need to remove all of the gun free zone signs and take the bullseye off of the backs of the children and school staff. The use of armed guards is unfortunately the only immediate solution at the present , so what are your ideas? By the way it is illegal to give a gun to a child with out parental supervision it is among the 70,000 laws already on the books. So what is your way of dealing with this problem ??

      • SusanBeehler

        I agree with your statement of mental health, it is not a easy immediate quick fix. I do not have a problem with “removing” gun free zones, but I do have a problem with just removing them and replacing them with a “neighborhood watch” model. I believe trained professionals in the school is a better approach, but this is not immediate either because of cost. Security within the school such as policies and different types of doors can also be done. If it is illegal for children to get guns, then gun owners need to take responsibility making sure the children in their household cannot access their guns and if they do then make the adult gun owner legally and criminally liable. We have nothing on our books requiring gun owners(except concealed permits) receiving training or gun ownership responsibility; this would not have to be done by government this could be done by the manufacturers requiring classes as part of the purchase. Businesses selling guns could look at this as another revenue stream especially if government requires training to own . A “well regulated militia” learns the proper use of a weapon, then don’t just buy it and put it on a shelf or in a closet. A “well regulated militia is regulated! When buy a sewing machine many sign up for a class on how to best use the model they purchased, it makes good business sense. When we buy a car we have to prove we are efficient enough to drive with out causing danger to others, I do not think these are things that are too much to ask of a gun owner and “infringe” certainly does not give a gun owner the right to “infringe” on my right to pursue liberty and happiness and keep my rights.

        • banjo kid

          Parents have that responsibility to teach their children to use a gun properly it should not be a law, we have to many laws now . Yes that is the way of the left more money out of the pockets of gun owners and lets make it so hard that they will have to take out a second mortgage on their home to own a gun . That is the left’s whole idea is to make it very costly, what we need in the way of a revenue stream is more jobs for people . Where are gun owners infringing on your right s? Are you certain you are old enough to be posting here you are beginning to sound like you are 8 years old . money is all that is required to purchase a car; license is another item altogether. You think that to buy a car you have to prove to the sales man you can drive ? wow! By the way I have been certified on many weapons for three years that was most of what I did and I was willing to be tested again and take the course to get concealed carry . .

  • SigFan

    Very clever – and apparently legal. At least for now.

  • Red47

    Yea! Those old historic pieces need to be preserved. These are nothing more than charades to garner publicity and political feel-good points from people who aren’t too logical..

  • WOOF

    Greasing the skids to universal background checks.

    • Mitch

      Please list the states that do not do a back ground check when buying a firearm.

      • WOOF

        “only six
        states (CA, CO, IL, NY, OR, RI) require universal background checks on
        all firearm sales at gun shows. Three more states (CT, MD, PA) require
        background checks on all handgun sales made at gun shows. Seven other
        states (HI, IA, MA, MI, NJ, NC, NE) require purchasers to obtain a
        permit and undergo a background check before buying a handgun. Florida
        allows its counties to regulate gun shows by requiring background checks
        on all firearms purchases at these events. 33 states have taken no
        action whatsoever to close the Gun Show Loophole.”

        • Wayne

          Not one gun used by mass murders in the US was purchased at a gun show. – ND Safety Council ‘Active Shooter Survival Training’ Jan. 17, 2013

          • SusanBeehler

            Oh that same instructor who said 50 children in China were murdered by a knife. Did he forget to mention nationally the guns are coming from friends and familes? Where is your gun tonight?

          • yy4u2

            Several throughout the house. What am I afraid of? Not a damn thing.

          • SusanBeehler

            You also go by the name Wayne?

          • slackwarerobert

            What, you don’t keep a few IN the house. I have one in the wall of every room. Never know when you will need a spare the crooks in blue don’t know about in case of raids.

  • mickey_moussaoui

    This was a great idea that these “collectors” had. If the law ever have one of these buy backs around here I’m going to add to my collection. Thanks for the tip

  • banjo kid

    With guns killing 11,400 people a year and doctors and staff killing 195,000 people a year maybe they should have a doctor and staff buy back instead.

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