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Presidential Debate Round Two Open Thread

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How about we fund neither and let the market take its course?

The problem here is that we’ve got two big-government candidates.  We don’t have a free-market, limited government candidate in this race.

There are two great democrats running for president, we don’t have a conservative but I will under no circumstance vote for BHO.


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goon on October 7, 2008 at 06:36 pm

Having health care is not a right!  McCain has this one right.



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dougee on October 7, 2008 at 06:36 pm
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Health care is not a right.  It’s not in the bill of rights.

You have a right to pursue happiness.  You don’t have a right to happiness.

Also, as for Obama’s mother, if he’s so well-off why was she having to argue with insurance people?


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Rob on October 7, 2008 at 06:37 pm
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The expansion of the children health care program was intended to bring government-backed health care to kids who didn’t need it.

Our current health care entitlements cover everyone who can’t afford health care.  We don’t need to expand them.


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Rob on October 7, 2008 at 06:38 pm
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No requirements for me to have to get pre-existing conditions?

This clown is rambling.

And he’s cheating again.  Tom’s trying to cut him off.


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Rob on October 7, 2008 at 06:39 pm

But we can’t have choice because Arizona sucks.

Great.


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Kenny on October 7, 2008 at 06:41 pm
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McCain says America is the greatest force for good in the world.

He’s absolutely right.  You know who doesn’t believe that?

Obama’s buddy William Ayers.

Obama’s pastor for 20 years Jeremiah Wright

And, I think, Obama’s wife.


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Rob on October 7, 2008 at 06:41 pm

McCaig wins best candidate trying to abide by the rules, on occasion.


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Hannitized on October 7, 2008 at 06:41 pm
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McCain nailed Obama: We don’t have time for on the time training.


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Rob on October 7, 2008 at 06:42 pm
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al Qaeda in Iraq, Senator Obama?

How many resources do you think al Qaeda has expended in Iraq trying to beat us there?  A lot, and those are resources they haven’t had to attack us elsewhere.

And Iraq spending is a fraction of Medicare spending, which Obama wanted to expanded to children...remember?


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Rob on October 7, 2008 at 06:43 pm

What Rob means is that if you cant fight off vamps and their fine print, you deserve to die.

Yes, the French have nuclear plants.

BTW, Obama is spanking you guys on Iraq. Everyone knows it was a bullshit decision. Why that expanse hasn’t been correlated to our economic situation and our deficit is beyond me. Hotel rips the deficit, but he is all about the wars. You consented to that didn’t you Kitty?

Also, ROb - I thought you weren’t voting for pres. Have an interest now??


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on October 7, 2008 at 06:44 pm

I think McCain is doing much better tonight, he’s restored my hope a little bit.


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Matt on October 7, 2008 at 06:44 pm

What Rob means is that if you cant fight off vamps and their fine print, you deserve to die.

Yes, the French have nuclear plants.

BTW, Obama is spanking you guys on Iraq. Everyone knows it was a bullshit decision. Why that expanse hasn’t been correlated to our economic situation and our deficit is beyond me. Hotel rips the deficit, but he is all about the wars. You consented to that didn’t you Kitty?

Also, ROb - I thought you weren’t voting for pres. Have an interest now??


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on October 7, 2008 at 06:44 pm

I think McCain is doing much better tonight, he’s restored my hope a little bit.


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Matt on October 7, 2008 at 06:44 pm

What new spending has McCain claimed to do?



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dougee on October 7, 2008 at 06:44 pm

I think McCain is doing much better tonight, he’s restored my hope a little bit.


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Matt on October 7, 2008 at 06:44 pm

I think McCain is doing much better tonight, he’s restored my hope a little bit.


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McCain needs to bring up Ayers.  Now.

Why does Obama think it’s ok to act in Darfur, but not Iraq?

Iraq was every but the humanitarian crisis Darfur was.


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Rob on October 7, 2008 at 06:45 pm
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Bho couldn’t even say we are a force for good without cringing.

jarrod on October 7, 2008 at 06:45 pm

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Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on October 7, 2008 at 06:45 pm

Guess I posted that three times! You all probably think I’m crazy. smile


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ETHNIC CLEANSING WAS HAPPENING IN IRAQ OBAMA!


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Rob on October 7, 2008 at 06:46 pm

Didn’t Osama himself say that Iraq was the center battleground in his jehad?



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dougee on October 7, 2008 at 06:46 pm

Was the Iraq choice correct? Was Iran all over the greater ME before our invasion? Why didn’t we pay attention to them until ‘o5? A bit late no?


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Sparkie Arbuckle on October 7, 2008 at 06:47 pm
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Obama is muddled on foreign policy.

He talks of the multi-national force in Darfur.  What have they done to stop the genocide?  Not much.

And how many women and children have been raped by the multi-national force in Darfur?  Quite a few.


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Rob on October 7, 2008 at 06:48 pm

Sparkie, why did you post the same thing twice?



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dougee on October 7, 2008 at 06:49 pm

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Haven’t some Iraqi women been raped by troops too?


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Sparkie Arbuckle on October 7, 2008 at 06:49 pm
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McCain wins on foreign policy.  Period.

Obama would be better off just making up his own questions and answering them right now.


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Rob on October 7, 2008 at 06:49 pm

Katie’s question about Pakistan is the best all night.


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Kenny on October 7, 2008 at 06:50 pm
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Obama shows his naivete when he keeps bringing up Obama.  The war on terror doesn’t begin and end with one person.


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Rob on October 7, 2008 at 06:50 pm

And Obama flubs. Osama was lost BEFORE we invaded Iraq. And Iraq is STILL the central front. What a fool.


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Kenny on October 7, 2008 at 06:50 pm
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Would Obama feel the same way about acting against Osama if the situation were in France and not Pakistan.


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Rob on October 7, 2008 at 06:52 pm

It’s like McCain says.  Obama doesn’t understand.



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dougee on October 7, 2008 at 06:53 pm

Would Obama feel the same way about acting against Osama if the situation were in France and not Pakistan[?]

Question? Counterfactuals are counterfactuals.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on October 7, 2008 at 06:53 pm
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Obama keeps trying to cheat.


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Rob on October 7, 2008 at 06:53 pm

Obama had a Rick James moment. “We need to invade Pakistan” “No One called for the Invasion of Pakistan.” You see...cocaine is a hell of a drug.


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Kenny on October 7, 2008 at 06:55 pm

The reason they don’t like us in Pakistan is because they have a lot of radical muslims.


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Kenny on October 7, 2008 at 06:55 pm

Yeah, he’s cheating allright.  He (Obama) tells us what he want’s to do as president, and McCain makes false attacks against Obama by trying to smear him (with videos).....but....Obama is “cheating”.

Sure....what ever you say.


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Saddam Hussein was an “acceptable dictator” for the Democrats.


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Rob on October 7, 2008 at 06:57 pm
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Obama is so adamant about regime change in Pakistan.

If Musharef was so bad, why was Saddam acceptable to let fester in Iraq?


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Rob on October 7, 2008 at 06:59 pm
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It would be nice if Obama ‘fessed up to being wrong about the surge.

I could respect him for being honest.


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Obama doesn’t like this question.

Uh...uh....I agree with McCain.


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Rob on October 7, 2008 at 07:02 pm

Funny, Obama always says he speaks out about stuff but I never seem to have heard any of it.



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dougee on October 7, 2008 at 07:03 pm
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When did McCain or Bush suggest that it wasn’t important to catch bin Laden?

They’ve always said it was important.  It’s just that Osama’s just one part of the war on terror.


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Rob on October 7, 2008 at 07:04 pm

Obama showed us his true colors, he wants us to cut our energy consumption and not create more to fuel our economy.



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dougee on October 7, 2008 at 07:05 pm

I love this fight that McCain is showing!



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dougee on October 7, 2008 at 07:07 pm

Stalin was an “acceptable dictator” for the Democrats along with all other communist murderers.


Communism is evil

Chief RZ on October 7, 2008 at 07:08 pm

I feel that no matter what question is asked in the town hall, both candidates veer to their closest talking point.  I hoped for a lot more from this debate because of the fact that the candidates would have to answer human beings.

Oh well.

dakotaninoregon on October 7, 2008 at 07:11 pm
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The “zen” question was the dumbest question of the night.

But Obama did crack me up when he cracked wise about his wife.


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I feel that no matter what question is asked in the town hall, both candidates veer to their closest talking point.

Exactly.

McCain’s closing answer was pretty great.


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Rob on October 7, 2008 at 07:15 pm

The commentators got it right. Unless you’ve follow politics, it was hard to see the differences on them.


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Kenny on October 7, 2008 at 07:17 pm

I fell asleep.

Sorry, it was a droner


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Gene on October 7, 2008 at 07:24 pm

Hmmmm Obama wants to let the government, the one that screwed up Fannie & Freddie, run our healthcare??? what a stupid idea.

prvanhorn on October 7, 2008 at 07:24 pm

Looks like McCain is going to let the girl do his fighting for him!

Puzzlefeet on October 7, 2008 at 07:26 pm

hmmmm Obama wants to let the Government, the same government that screwed up Fannie & Freddie, then sucked out excess monies for the Dem’s campaign funds, run our national healthcare??? how much money with the Dems get for their campaigns from this idea??? what stupid people....

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Looks like McCain is going to let the girl do his fighting for him!

Palin is certainly the stronger candidate.  As for “letting the girl fight,” maybe McCain doesn’t have a problem with that.

Maybe McCain isn’t someone who thinks the woman should stand behind the man.

Why are you liberals so threatened by a vibrant, passionate conservative woman?


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Rob on October 7, 2008 at 07:36 pm

Leave it to you to take it in that way Rob, if Ayers et al was such a big deal, he didn’t say one word about, leaving it to his running mate.  He showed an utter lack of leadership on his issue leaving it to the girl to fight his battles.  And this guy wants to be president, nah…

Puzzlefeet on October 7, 2008 at 07:40 pm

It would be nice if Obama ‘fessed up to being wrong about the surge.

I could respect him for being honest.

No you would not.  You would call it a phony attempt to win people over and then criticize him more for the attempt.

You have never said anything positive about Obama, that I am aware of.


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Leave it to you to take it in that way Rob, if Ayers et al was such a big deal, he didn’t say one word about, leaving it to his running mate.  He showed an utter lack of leadership on his issue leaving it to the girl to fight his battles.

I agree with you that McCain should have nailed Obama’s hide to the wall on Ayers, but what’s with this “leave it to the girl” stuff.

She’s a woman, and she’s every bit as capable as a man.


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Rob on October 7, 2008 at 07:50 pm

Ok, let me say this, he let the woman do his dirty work for him. And yes she is absolutely every bit as capable as a man and in this instance clearly better than the man she’s running with.

Puzzlefeet on October 7, 2008 at 08:04 pm

So when is Zsa Zsa going to call McCain a socialist for announcing that he wants the government to buy all the bad loans?

Any day now guys.


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realitybasedbob on October 7, 2008 at 10:04 pm

Hey, look!

John McCain’s bus is sinking while Barack Obama’s bus is busy running people over.

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John McCain’s bus is sinking while Barack Obama’s bus is busy running people over.

What the picture doesn’t show, is Obama’s bus underneath McCain’s, holding it above water!



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Proof on October 7, 2008 at 10:37 pm

Poof:
Yawn.


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Yawn

Oh, look! Widdle Parkie is up past his beddy night again! Ain’t he precious?



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Sparkie: Tell boob to post something better than that lame ass picture so I’ll have something to work with next time.



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When did McCain or Bush suggest that it wasn’t important to catch bin Laden?

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bush:

“So I don’t know where he is. You know, I just don’t spend that much time on him. … And, again, I don’t know where he is. I — I’ll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him.”

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