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Saturday, August 26, 2006


Pork Hype

The Club for Growth (a very active player in the blogosphere's "porkbusting" efforts) points to this quote from New York Rep. John Sweeney:

“Earmarks are one percent of the federal budget, so the buzz coming from the Jeff Flakes on my side of the aisle, and from some demagogue Democrats is just false."


I think calling the concern over pork "false" goes a bit too far. Certainly the idea of our government wasting 1.5 million dollars on a single bus stop or 223 million dollars for a bridge longer than the Brooklyn Bridge in rural Alaska is troubling. But while that sort of local spending is both fiscally irresponsible and totally outside of the federal government's responsibility, Sweeney is right. It's just one percent of a federal budget that is frought with much more serious spending issues.

Like entitlements, for instance:

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The other day anti-pork crusader Mary Katharine Ham stopped by Say Anything to say that she "would argue that Porkbusting can be a good, low-hanging-fruit way to create a political climate in which we can work on reining in entitlement spending, so it can be sustainable." I understand where she's coming from and think we're on the same page as far as government spending in general goes, but the way I see it "our side" only has so much political capital available to go after goverment waste.

If Congress is going to enact legislation in Congress to combat waste spending the sort of wasteful spending it should address first should be entitlements.

The big three entitlements - Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid - represent about $3 billion dollars of government spending each and every day, and that spending is growing at about an 8% annual clip. That is an unsustainable amount of government spending and unless we do something about it $232 million for some dumb bridge in Alaska isn't going to matter. We'll have bigger problems on our plate.

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Will Franklin strikes again!

Ken McCracken on August 26, 2006 at 02:19 pm
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If we can’t take care of the Pork, how the hell do we think we will ever do anything about the entitlement?

FreeRepublicans.com on August 26, 2006 at 02:52 pm
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Addressing pork instead of entitlements is like a doctor looking at your ingrown toenail when you’ve got a sucking chest wound.

We’ve got to have our priorities straight.


The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Rob on August 26, 2006 at 02:55 pm
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Addressing pork instead of entitlements is like a doctor looking at your ingrown toenail when you’ve got a sucking chest wound.

We’ve got to have our priorities straight.

Agreed.

But if the doctor can’t fix the ingrown toenail, how will he deal with the sucking chest wound?

FreeRepublicans.com on August 26, 2006 at 03:01 pm
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If we can’t take care of the Pork, how the hell do we think we will ever do anything about the entitlement?

EXACTLY!

according to Fred Barnes, a Bush defender,  Medicare reform is “the biggest new entitlement in 40 years.”  All under the umbrella of “Big Government Conservatism.” (a paradox?) ..Don’t count onf Bush and the current Republicna leadership to solve that problem. In fact, it has been extremely busy in increasing both.

even Clinton was clearly more of a fiscal conservative than Bush is.

aNONOMISLY on August 26, 2006 at 03:09 pm
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...I don’t Bush should be considered a “compassionate conservative.” (it debases the word conservative.)

Bush is a Nixonian president

aNONOMISLY on August 26, 2006 at 03:12 pm
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Pork is the feds returning the states own money to the states, the state’s own congressman are the ones responsible for figuring out how to spend it. If someone wants to decide how that money spent is spent in their own state they need to talk to their congressmen. Pork bashing is a distraction, nothing more.

bullwinkle on August 26, 2006 at 03:13 pm
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Nothing will ever happen unless Congress restrains itself through pay-go rules.

jpe on August 26, 2006 at 03:27 pm
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Pork is the feds returning the states own money to the states, the state’s own congressman are the ones responsible for figuring out how to spend it. If someone wants to decide how that money spent is spent in their own state they need to talk to their congressmen. Pork bashing is a distraction, nothing more.

That is what it used to be. ..I sort-of liked it that way.

unfortunatly, today is more lik a congressman payback for those contributing/donating to his/her campaingn. ...a payback for helping them fund their election campaingns.

..an I support you if you support me.

aNONOMISLY on August 26, 2006 at 03:30 pm
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Nothing will ever happen unless Congress restrains itself through pay-go rules.

Pay-go is a canard that just makes it harder to pass tax cuts.  There is no allowance in proposed pay-go legislation for recognition of the laffer curve and the increased tax receipts that can happen after tax cuts.

Look at what has happened since the Bush tax cuts.  Tax receipts have skyrocketed.  It’s the spending that’s the problem, not tax cuts.  We need to cut spending, not make it harder to cut taxes.


The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Rob on August 26, 2006 at 03:32 pm

The entire concept of entitlements is anti-Constitutional, and anti-American.  We didn’t get where we are today by being a bunch of dependents sucking at the govt teat.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 26, 2006 at 03:36 pm
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HOW about mandatory balanced budgets, with certain strict exceptions perhaps?

..sort-of works for the district of columbia.

aNONOMOMISLY on August 26, 2006 at 03:40 pm

“even Clinton was clearly more of a fiscal conservative than Bush is.”

A popular myth.  Hillarycare alone would have broken all records.  Clinton was restrained by a Republican Congress, elected, IMO, for the express purpose of stopping his attempts at a socialist takeover of our country.  Remember the “Stimulus Package”?


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 26, 2006 at 03:42 pm

aNON: “HOW about mandatory balanced budgets, with certain strict exceptions perhaps?

Two constitutional amendments would do the job.  One would limit total taxation to between 20% and 30%, and the other would mandate a balanced budget every year.  Every politician would then have to support economic growth, because that would be the only way they could get more money to spend.

..sort-of works for the district of columbia.”

Like the fact that they spend more per student than anywhere else in the country, but are at or near the bottom in student achievement?


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 26, 2006 at 03:45 pm
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Bullwinkle:

Pork is the feds returning the states own money to the states, the state’s own congressman are the ones responsible for figuring out how to spend it. If someone wants to decide how that money spent is spent in their own state they need to talk to their congressmen. Pork bashing is a distraction, nothing more.

We’re 100% on the same page on this one.

Pork-barrel spending isn’t even an ingrown toenail, it’s a small pimple.

If we want to “prove” we can make a difference, there are better places to address than attacking something where you don’t even know what percentages is being poorly spent

Carrick on August 26, 2006 at 03:46 pm
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aNONOMISLY:

unfortunatly, today is more lik a congressman payback for those contributing/donating to his/her campaingn. ...a payback for helping them fund their election campaingns.

I’ll bite…. give us some examples of congressman payback…

I gave the example in a previous post of Rob’s of Trent Lott’s improvements for Mississippi Highways (which are the worst in the country in deaths per mile driven).  How is this money a “payback” to somebody donating to Lott’s campaign?

Carrick on August 26, 2006 at 03:53 pm
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Pay-go is a canard that just makes it harder to pass tax cuts.

It would force Congress into making hard choices.  In the absence of being forced, they’ll continue to make the easy choice of following their narrow self-interest.  Congress will never, ever have the self-discipline to ignore that self-interest.  They have to be forced. 

Tax receipts have skyrocketed

Maybe that’s because of the tax cuts, maybe not.  But it seems to me that legislation could be drafted to account for that.  One could simply tie spending to receipts, for example.

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I should note that Carrick is the one who brought be around from the pork bashing to being more worried about entitlement spending.

While I think the earmarking process would benefit from more public disclosure, the real problem facing this country is entitlement spending.  If we do drown under the weight of government spending it will be entitlement spending that is the anvil around our necks.

Earmarks would be something like a heavy sweatshirt.


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Rob on August 26, 2006 at 04:02 pm
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A popular myth. Hillarycare alone would have broken all records. Clinton was restrained by a Republican Congress, elected, IMO, for the express purpose of stopping his attempts at a socialist takeover of our country. Remember the “Stimulus Package”?

main reason why I missed the Newt Gingrich days, when most elected Republicans actually a backbone and lived by conservative principles.

The Clinton year were deffinatly year of more fiscal conservatism.

...Bush “Big Government Conservatism Care” isn’t really that much different from Hillarycare.

..and then you have his other Big Government Conservatism programs: at the labor department, education department, etc.,  and his “faith-based initiative”.

aNONOMISLY on August 26, 2006 at 04:02 pm
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Like the fact that they spend more per student than anywhere else in the country, but are at or near the bottom in student achievement?

yeah, imagine if it didn’t have to abide by the fiscal mandate it has to today..

aNONOMISLY on August 26, 2006 at 04:05 pm
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It would force Congress into making hard choices. In the absence of being forced, they’ll continue to make the easy choice of following their narrow self-interest. Congress will never, ever have the self-discipline to ignore that self-interest. They have to be forced.

I agree, but pay-go isn’t the way to do it.

Maybe that’s because of the tax cuts, maybe not. But it seems to me that legislation could be drafted to account for that. One could simply tie spending to receipts, for example.

I think a better way to solve the spending problem would be to write legislation that requires every type of spending (from social security to defense spending) to be re-authorized every two years so that the people in favor of the spending have to explain why it is still relevant over and over again.


The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Rob on August 26, 2006 at 04:09 pm
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Permit me this moment of retardation: isn’t spending reauthorized every year via budget bills?

jpe on August 26, 2006 at 04:17 pm
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unfortunatly, today is more like a congressman payback for those contributing/donating to his/her campaingn

HERE


Sen. John Thune (R-South Dakota) a former lobbyist push for “Largest government loan to a private company in U.S. history.”

carrick, it used to be that the elected state legislature would have some kind of compentive bidding, and through that process ask congress to fund certain earmark projects.  Unfortunatly, today it seems like lobbyists have a better say in what gets earmarked.

Today it seems that what gets earmarked isn’t what the people of the state find most appropriate, buth what the special interest lobbyists down at K street find most appropriate.

..THAT is how we get stuff like expensive bridges to nowhere, and a Senator from Kentucky compromising our homeland security.

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isn’t spending reauthorized every year via budget bills?

Some spending is done as one-time appropriations.  Other spending (like entitlement spending) has automatic increases in spending for every year built in.

But I should have been more clear.  The biggest bulk of government spending is funding the budgets of various entitlement programs and bureaucratic agencies.  What “sunset legislation” would require is that all these budgets would have to be re-authorized on a regular basis or else they’d die.

I posted on this before here.


The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Rob on August 26, 2006 at 04:39 pm

aNON: Your post is riddled with errors, but here’s the main one:

”...Bush “Big Government Conservatism Care” isn’t really that much different from Hillarycare.”

Hillarycare was the takeover of every business in the US.  Every business would have had to register, and would have been subject to her “mandates”.  In the initial version, businesses with less than ten employees would have been exempted from having to pay for the healthcare of the employees, but that is easily changed later administratively, by unelected officials.  It’s hard to imagine anything worse.
BTW, “Big Govt” and “Conservatism” are mutually exclusive.  Your attempt at labeling is inaccurate.  Big govt anything is socialistic, no matter who passes it.  In your zeal to Get the President, don’t smear conservatives, please.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 26, 2006 at 04:49 pm
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“Big Government Conservatism,” otherwise known as Compassionate Conservatism is something Bush used very successfully to win over the Christian Right during the 2000 presidential primary raise.

Big-Government conservatism is what one of Bush’ most ardent and prominent defendor uses to defend Bush’ policies from those fiscal conservatives that criticize it.
...or are you suggesting Bush isn’t really a conservative?

don’t smear conservatives, please.

that is why I suggested that instead of defining Bush as a “Big Government Conservative’ one should describe him as Nixonian Republican.

(with this earlier post on this same thead)

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I now agree with you that Hillary’s plan, as planned,  was way worst.  I thank Newt Gingrich for never allowing it to become into fruition.
The bad thing is that Hillarycare died on its track.  Bush’ NCLB, Medicare reform and “faith-based initiative” are all the law of the land today.

aNONOMISLY on August 26, 2006 at 05:16 pm

aNON: Do you know what the faith-based initiatives really were?  It was about not excluding faith based groups from the social spending.  I don’t think any social spending should be done, but if it is, why should we discriminate against faith based groups?
Your idea of some sort of monolithic Religious Right is right up there with Hillary’s “vast right-wing conspiracy”, IMO.
President Bush is not a conservative; he has only done two things right, which is two more than Clinton, though: Aggressively fighting worldwide terrorism and cutting tax rates.  Your labeling is still not accurate.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 26, 2006 at 05:22 pm
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Do you know what the faith-based initiatives really were? It was about not excluding faith based groups from the social spending. I don’t think any social spending should be done, but if it is, why should we discriminate against faith based groups?

That it is what it was supposed to be about.  In reality, it seems more like an affirmative action for the church to me..

Your idea of some sort of monolithic Religious Right is right up there with Hillary’s

you are actually right, I have seem to put too much enphasis on generalizing about the Christian Right.  However, the fact still remain a dominant part of it has extremely socialist ideals.  ..you probably wouldn’t consider them conservatives.

President Bush is not a conservative

THIS is one of my main beef I have with him.  He actually tries very hard to masquarade as a conservative .  (as do too many Christian “conservatives,” that in fact hold very socialist believes)

aNONOMISLY on August 26, 2006 at 05:49 pm

aNON: Any centralized organization is socialist by nature, including the govt of the US, no matter which political party is in charge.  The biggest canard here is due to a fundamental misunderstanding and wrong generalization about Christianity.  Roman Catholics are part of a monarchial-type centralized organization.  Protestant Christianity, however, is totally different.  The truth is that the US is not a Christian country, but a Protestant Christian country.  Protestants are not centralized, no matter what lies the lefties try to sell about it.  Each leader leads his own group, but there is no cohesiveness among the groups.  Protestants, due to their moral code, are generally socially conservatives, but their adherence to their religion makes them less conservative fiscally.  I don’t agree that they are socialists, though, since they don’t want to subordinate the economic system to achieve a social ideology.

BTW, I don’t necessarily agree with your assessment about “affirmative action”, since that involves quotas based on percentage representation in the overall population, but how do you feel about race-based affirmative action?  I don’t agree with it in any form, which is why I am against the faith-based stuff.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 26, 2006 at 05:58 pm
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The euphemism he and many of them use is “compassionate conservatism:”

Compassionate conservatism is a political philosophy that was invented by Marvin Olasky, who went on to memorialize it in his 2000 book Compassionate Conservatism: What it is, What it Does, and How it Can Transform America, and Myron Magnet of the Manhattan Institute. ..The phrase was popularized when George W. Bush adopted it as one of his key slogans during his 2000 presidential campaign against Al Gore.

(link)

... “compassionate conservatism” is basicly the same thing the conservative Fred Barnes (in his defence of Bush’ ‘conservatism’)  has come to call “Big-Government Conservatism:”

IS PRESIDENT BUSH really a conservative? ...

The case for Bush’s conservatism is strong. Sure, some conservatives are upset because he has tolerated a surge in federal spending, downplayed swollen deficits, failed to use his veto, created a vast Department of Homeland Security, and fashioned an alliance of sorts with Teddy Kennedy on education and Medicare. But the real gripe is that Bush isn’t their kind of conventional conservative. Rather, he’s a big government conservative

anonomisly on August 26, 2006 at 06:02 pm
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I don’t necessarily agree with your assessment about “affirmative action”, since that involves quotas based on percentage representation in the overall population, but how do you feel about race-based affirmative action? I don’t agree with it in any form, which is why I am against the faith-based stuff.

I agree with those supporting affirmative action that great injusteces were committed in this country that need to be remidiated, but I don’t agree with their mean to that end.

I in fact sort-of agree with Bush about what that solution should be: no selection based on race, but a strong government push to give every american a great quality education no matter how disadvantage they are.

  I once met Barbara Bush, (my favorite person to ever lived in the White House, grin) prior to a speech I attended in which she and Laura Bush were basically discribing their effort and presedent’s Bush effor to accomplish this. I like their effort, which has little to no chance of going national or been expanded to be a conprehensive solution.  I like the idea behind presidents Bush plan to deal with it (i.e. No Child Left Behind), but I think it will ultimately end up been too inefficient. ..I hope I’m wrong.

aNONOMISLY on August 26, 2006 at 06:17 pm

aNON: “I agree with those supporting affirmative action that great injusteces were committed in this country that need to be remidiated, but I don’t agree with their mean to that end.”

Sounds nice, but consider the reality.  If this were about “righting wrongs”, then how can this generation pay for the sins of generations long past?  How far back are we going to go with this?  Why stop at the colonial period?  How about the Swedes and Norwegians paying for what they did to the British Isles?  The concept is flawed at its base, IMO.
There’s another problem.  If the goal were to really “right the wrongs of the past”, there would be a goal that, when achieved, would end the program.  It would be quantified, and it isn’t.  That might give you a hint as to the real agenda of the program.  One more thing.  The family names of the slaveowners are known.  Why not target their descendants instead of all “white people”?  Sounds like skin color racism to me.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 26, 2006 at 06:24 pm
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Sounds nice, but consider the reality. If this were about “righting wrongs”, then how can this generation pay for the sins of generations long past? How far back are we going to go with this? Why stop at the colonial period? How about the Swedes and Norwegians paying for what they did to the British Isles? The concept is flawed at its base, IMO.
There’s another problem. If the goal were to really “right the wrongs of the past”, there would be a goal that, when achieved, would end the program. It would be quantified, and it isn’t. That might give you a hint as to the real agenda of the program. One more thing. The family names of the slaveowners are known. Why not target their descendants instead of all “white people”? Sounds like skin color racism to me.

funny you mention this. The other day an African-American friend of mine and I were discussing the same thing, and I used some of the same thing you mention as my argument. and something else you don’t mention:  African Slaves made it into the new world thanks in great part to other African that used to catch them and self them to the Portuguese and other slave holders.  I asked them if he faulted all Africans too for the predicament of his ancestors here in the US, and that is when the argument ended.  (He was wearing one of those Africa themed “black power” t-shirt with the African continent in front.

Fact is no one, not even the ancestor of former slave holder, is to be blaimed for it.  However, it is true a great government sanctioned injustice was systematically committed here in the US and lasted until the ~1960s/70’s (which means a significant amount of todays American were directly affected by it or that their parents and grandparents were).

to me it’s not a matter of faulting anyone, it’s more a matter of undoing our past mistakes.

aNONOMISLY on August 26, 2006 at 06:40 pm

aNON: Logic will get them every time.  Indicting all white people in America is still skin color racism, as far as I’m concerned, and that just isn’t right.  I also don’t buy the leftie meme of widespread “institutional racism”.  I have known successful black people all my life, not to mention other minorities, and they have the same qualities as all successful people: drive, optimism and desire, together with an aversion to victimism.  Works every time.  The “racial divide” has been a Mother Lode for many black politicians and politcal activists. There’s affirmative action for you!
I am aware of the practice of slavery all over the world, and it still goes on in many parts of the world to this day.  A great many UN member nations still practice slavery.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 26, 2006 at 06:48 pm
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Protestant Christianity, however, is totally different. The truth is that the US is not a Christian country, but a Protestant Christian country. Protestants are not centralized

My comment wasn’t rally about their organizational structure.

It was more about the goal of too many Protestan, specially the fundamentalist ones.

A goal of too many of them is to practically forced feed us the Bible.  To gain and use the power of government to slam the Bible down our throat. That seems obviously socialist to me. (a member here by the name of Gene comes to mind)

I quote the Natinal Director of the Anti-Defemation league in this thread. He basically describes one of the more radical group trying to achied this:

Abraham H. Foxman, Anti-Defemation League National Director comment about D. James Kennedy “Darwin’s Deadly Legay” documentary:
“This is an outrageous and shoddy attempt by D. James Kennedy to trivialize the horrors of the Holocaust. Hitler did not need Darwin to devise his heinous plan to exterminate the Jewish people. Trivializing the Holocaust comes from either ignorance at best or, at worst, a mendacious attempt to score political points in the culture war on the backs of six million Jewish victims and others who died at the hands of the Nazis.

It must be remembered that D. James Kennedy is a leader among the distinct group of ‘Christian Supremacists’ who seek to “reclaim America for Christ” and turn the U.S. into a Christian nation guided by their strange notions of biblical law.”

Here is the website of such group

aNONOMISLY on August 26, 2006 at 06:56 pm

aNON: You make the error of attributing the behavior of one man to a large group of unaffiliated people you describe as “fundamentalists” and the “Christian Right”.  I say again, they are not that organized.  I find the Watchtower people much more annoying, but that is a legacy of free speech, isn’t it? If you support flag-burning as free speech, but want to muzzle the Bible thumpers, isn’t that just a bit hypocritical?


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 26, 2006 at 07:01 pm
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Here is what the say to the Anti-Defamation League, as well as to people like rob and me who criticize their “Darwin Deadly Legacy” documentary and such believes.

aNONOMISLY on August 26, 2006 at 07:02 pm

Hitler was a subscriber to Eugenics, which was a perversion and misinterpretation of the “survival of the fittest” part of Darwin’s theory.  So was Margaret Sanger, but no one is going after Planned Parenthood.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 26, 2006 at 07:06 pm
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You make the error of attributing the behavior of one man to a large group of unaffiliated people you describe as “fundamentalists” and the “Christian Right”. I say again, they are not that organized. I find the Watchtower people much more annoying, but that is a legacy of free speech, isn’t it? If you support flag-burning as free speech, but want to muzzle the Bible thumpers, isn’t that just a bit hypocritical?


I have nothing against them having the right to say what they say. ..I’m simply taking issue with what they say.

This is not a ‘one man show’..

aNONOMISLY on August 26, 2006 at 07:06 pm

aNON: You generalize, and in so doing, smear the free speech rights of a lot of people who don’t fit under your umbrella.  Whether you admit it or not, you are smearing Christians and Christianity.  If you didn’t make that generalization, your “enemy” would disappear.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 26, 2006 at 07:10 pm
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...These people are highly organized and have a strong following:

Dennis James Kennedy, Ph.D., is Pastor of Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida and founder of Coral Ridge Ministries, a $37-million-a-year corporation with an audience of 3 million which he founded in 1974. His weekly television program, The Coral Ridge Hour, is carried on the Trinity Broadcasting Network and INSP Network, and syndicated on numerous other stations. His daily radio program, Truths That Transform, is heard across the US and in over 200 countries and is available on the program website


..that sounds very organized to me..

HERE are the main Television networks carrying his weekly TV program, ..

Trinity Broadcasting Network:

The Trinity Broadcasting Network, or TBN, is the world’s largest Christian television network. Founded by Paul and Jan Crouch in 1973, the network now has a larger U.S. viewership than its three main competitor networks combined. It owns twenty-three U.S. full-power television stations and 252 low-power rural stations, and boasts five million viewer households per week in the U.S. TBN is carried on over six thousand television stations in the U.S., and on thousands of cable television systems in seventy-five countries around the world, where its programs are translated into eleven languages

The Inspiration Network (INSP):

The Inspiration Network or INSP is a 24-hour cable television network based in Charlotte, North Carolina which currently serves over 2,000 cable systems across the United States with a subscriber base of over 22 million households. INSP features original and exclusive music, children’s programs and a wide variety of different ministry programming.

this “one man” nutjob has a very strong following..

aNONOMISLY on August 26, 2006 at 07:56 pm
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Hitler was a subscriber to Eugenics, which was a perversion and misinterpretation of the “survival of the fittest” part of Darwin’s theory. So was Margaret Sanger, but no one is going after Planned Parenthood.

..keep going after them, rob.

aNONOMISLY on August 26, 2006 at 08:01 pm
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HERE is how his own organizatin describes him:

Dr. D. James Kennedy is the most listened-to Presbyterian minister in the world today. His forthright and rational presentation of the Gospel is heard via television and radio throughout America and the world.

Do you still think he isn’t really that organized, rob?

aNONOMISLY on August 26, 2006 at 08:12 pm
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HERE is how his own organizatin describes him:

Dr. D. James Kennedy is the most listened-to Presbyterian minister in the world today. His forthright and rational presentation of the Gospel is heard via television and radio throughout America and the world.

Do you still think he isn’t really that organized, rob?

aNONOMISLY on August 26, 2006 at 08:13 pm

Sounds like free speech to me.  How many follow Cindy Sheehan?  Jesse Jackson? Al Sharpton? Noam Chomsky? Karl Marx?  Why single out only one Christian guy?  Bias, maybe?


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 26, 2006 at 09:07 pm

How many follow Kos? Now, that might be something to worry about.  Aretha Franklin’s father, Rev C L Franklin, was the leader of the largest Southern Baptist Church in Detroit.  Are you worried about him?  Maybe this is really political, and you want to deny certain church leaders a voice in politics, because of their faith.  Not really free speech then, is it?  We have many people pushing atheist ideas on the political scene, and socialism, but you think the religious people are the danger.  Strange.  The Islamofascists want to kill or subjugate all the infidels, but you want to focus on a few Protestant ministers who dare to speak out on social and political topics.  They don’t cause riots over cartoons, they don’t strap bombs on children, they don’t fire rockets into civilian areas, and they don’t behead people for being different, but the Christian ministers are dangerous.  Good thinking.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 26, 2006 at 09:14 pm
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I GUESS YOU are right, ..the left has lots of nutjobs and so that justifies the right having its few..

Why single out only one Christian guy?

this guys has lots of influence, even according to his organization’s own webstie: ..

Dr. Kennedy’s broadcast messages are televised from the nearly

10,000-member Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church in Fort Lauderdale to 40,000 cities and towns across the United States and nearly 200 nations.

A modest mission church of 45 people when Dr. Kennedy arrived in 1959, the rocketing growth of Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church since then made it, for 15 years, the fastest growing Presbyterian church in America. Decision magazine named the church one of the “Five Great Churches of North America

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CRM’s programs are The Coral Ridge Hour, a weekly one-hour television program; Truths That Transform, a daily half-hour radio program; The Kennedy Commentary, a daily 90-second radio feature and Verdades Que Transforman, the Spanish radio broadcast of Truths That Transform, a weekly radio program for the Hispanic audience.. The Coral Ridge Hour has the greatest number of TV station affiliates of any religious program in the U.S. The D. James Kennedy Center for Christian Statesmanship is CRM’s spiritually based outreach to men and women in positions of influence and authority in our nation’s capital. The Center, led by its Director, George Roller, offers weekly Bible studies, Politics and Principle luncheons

 

this guy apperantly has a lot of clout within the Republican party too. 

Kennedy runs The D. James Kennedy Center for Christian Statesmanship, an evangelical ministry on Capitol Hill. The Center awards a “Distinguished Christian Statesman Award” annually to high profile Christian political leaders. Past recipients include Tom DeLay, Sam Brownback and John Ashcroft.

 


..Do we really want this type of nutjot having lots of clout within the Republican party

stop it with the your “free speech” argument. I’m not against him saying what ever he pleases, I’m criticizing it and holding him responsible for it. There is a clear difference between the two. .. and isn’t that what we do around here, in Say Anything?

aNONOMISLY on August 26, 2006 at 10:52 pm
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..this is no a “one man” show.

aNONOMISLY on August 26, 2006 at 10:53 pm
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Do we really want this type of nutjot having lots of clout within the Republican party

Did you read this thread? I think a lot of members of this blog might answer your rhetorical question positively.

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...his organization is neither disorganized nor as inconsequential as you seem to suggest..

aNONOMISLY on August 26, 2006 at 11:06 pm
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*NUTJOB

aNONOMISLY on August 26, 2006 at 11:09 pm
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aNONOMISLY on August 26, 2006 at 11:22 pm

aNON: I didn’t justify anything.  I simply pointed out that you are focusing one one Christian guy when there are lots of far more dangerous people out there that apparently don’t merit your attention.  This guy’s own center praises him and tries to make him sound influential.  What else would you expect?  I’m much more concerned about the lefties who wield undue influence over the MSM, and who promote terrorism in the sense of excusing and whitewashing it.  Not only that, but they keep up a steady drumbeat of lies and smear against the President.  One guy expressing his faith is nothing compared to that, but you are very focused on that.  You come off as anti-Christian.  Many lefties fear the power of faith, and for good reason, the same reason Karl Marx pronounced religion “the opiate of the masses”.  The Church was a threat to his power.
I don’t buy that this guy or any other has “clout” in the Republican Party, or at least any more than any other group of sincere and concerned citizens.  I also never said he was either disorganized or inconsequential.  I think your depiction of him is highly exaggerated, though.
Labeling someone as a nutjob is not a substantive argument.  Personal attack usually signals a lack of facts.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 27, 2006 at 01:49 am

aNON: “..this is no a “one man” show.”

Never said it was.  You are the one who is obsessing over this one guy.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 27, 2006 at 01:54 am
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aNONOMISLY, your link does not demonstrate what you think it demonstrates.  I asked for examples that supported this statement:

carrick, it used to be that the elected state legislature would have some kind of compentive bidding, and through that process ask congress to fund certain earmark projects. Unfortunatly, today it seems like lobbyists have a better say in what gets earmarked.

The earmarks listed in”>https://members.humaneventsonline.com/search.php?author_name=Rep.+Jeff+Flake”>in your link merely demonstrates the intellectual bankruptcy of your position.  None of these can be pointed to as a mere “payback” to a donator. 

But let’s look at several of these:

$250 for the Atlantic Museum’s Graveyard? 
Tourism is a business in this country.  Investing in the Atlantic Museum increases tourism, which increases revenue for the region, and eventually increases federal tax receipts.

$300,000 for Bovine Genetics in Maryland”  Do you really need me to explain why $300k for studying bovine genetics is a good idea? 

Then how about $150k for a study on treating obesity?  Why is that a bad idea?

The only criticism offered by Flake (who clearly is one) of these earmarks is in the way they are appropriated, and has nothing to do with whether the monies are well spent or not.

Well, I’ll point out that the biggest budget busting item is $1.3 trillion spent on entitlements, and guess what?  Everybody votes for that, and I’d dare say a fair percentage of that gets flushed down the federal bureaucracy hole.

Label me completely unimpressed.

Carrick on August 27, 2006 at 06:08 am
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On the other hand, this is a complete lie:

Sen. John Thune (R-South Dakota) a former lobbyist push for “Largest government loan to a private company in U.S. history.”

It’s a subsidy for a ND railroad.  I CAN’T IMAGINE A SINGLE REASON FOR WANTING TO IMPROVE RAIL TRANSPORTATION IN NORTH DAKOTA!!!!

PANIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Carrick on August 27, 2006 at 06:12 am
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One of the more interesting aspects of earmarked funds is that they go directly to the earmark, and are not gobbled by the federal bureaucracy in the process.  I imagine that’s why some in Washington complain about them… the DOT doesn’t get their “share of the pie” when money goes directly to repair of a railroad in North Dakota, for example.

On the other hand, typically 30% of the the money funded for a project that is administrated by a federal entity gets gobbled up in “overhead”.  That doesn’t factor in “direct administrative costs” which are also taken from the funds before they reach their intended target.  In the case of funds dispersed to a state, these funds then get further milked by state agencies before they finally make it to the people who do the actual work.

There are very few ways of spending money that are more wasteful than “entrusting” the federal and state bureaucracy to it.

Carrick on August 27, 2006 at 06:29 am
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