Pope Correctly Points Out The Hypocrisy Of Islam: Riots To Begin Momentarily

  •  September 22, 2007

Well, he’s gone and done it now. Pope Benedict has had the gall to point out that Islam doesn’t allow Muslims to change religions but forces Christians to either switch to Islam or live as a forced third class citizen. Or die. From the Daily Mail:

Benedict XVI attacked Muslim nations where Christians are either persecuted or given the status of second-class citizens under the Shariah Islamic law.
He also defended the rights of Muslims to convert to Christianity, an act which warrants the death penalty in many Islamic countries.

He also had the nerve to say that there are people out there killing people in the name of God and that is wrong:

Addressing the problem of Islamic extremism, he added: “Terrorism is a serious problem whose perpetrators often claim to act in God’s name and harbour an inexcusable contempt for human life.”

As you read this you can bet that demonstrations (they’re called riots in any other place on the planet) are being organized and fatwas are being issued by the Religion Of Peace calling for the Pope’s slaughter because he hinted that they are violent. How dare you. We’ll kill you if you say we’re violent.
Score one for the Pope and Western society in general. More high profile people need to speak out, need to point out the sheer brutality of an irrational, murderous culture. If they did so they would take away the cloak of political correctness that is now shielding radical Islam. Anyway, stand by for the shrieking to begin. They don’t know how to address it any other way and by acting in the vicious, self righteous, murderous way they do they will continue to expose themselves for what they are: Brutal seventh century thugs who want to drag us all into a new dark age.
I hope the Pope doesn’t crawfish this time like he did with his last absolutely correct statement. In the meantime I have one last thing to say…
Good job, Pope. Keep it up.

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  • http://Array carrick

    Likwidshoe:

    Huh? I don’t have a way. I just want Islam to leave people alone. Islam has major problems. I’m not a “bully” for noticing it and pointing it out.

    Well exactly.

    The violence upon innocents committed by Islamic extremists that nalhamid condones is, mildest description, a form of bullying.

    People like nalhamid want to force their way down everybody else’s throats, then when they get called on it, use the standard bully tactic of crying victim.

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    Thank you Pope Benedict…

  • carrick

    nalhamid:

    But this destitute people, few in number were able to defend itself against the two most powerful countries at that time, The Persian and the Byzantine empires. Outnumbered in some cases ten tso one, God allowed us to win.

    That glosses over the fact that of the modern violence from your Muslims brothers mostly directed against other Muslims… Your brothers deny that other Muslims are “Muslim” enough.

    This is not the same movement directed at defending your homes against foreigners. Rather is it terroristic and tyrannical, with the corrupted desire of its leaders to gain control over other Muslims. That is an evil that all good men should oppose.

    Flowery language cannot hide the carnage that Muslim terrorists are wrecking in Allah’s name. I seriously doubt that God has blessed this murder of women and children that you are implicitly condoning. This movement is doomed, and those who take arms and support it shall meet a just end.

  • nalhamid

    Alas I hoped that a lesson would be learned here, but I was wrong.

    You see but you don’t have vision, you hear but you don’t listen and your heart has been barren for a long time.

    Repent before it’s too late. Stop worshipping creatures and worship the creator. Out of a thousand million solar systems in our galaxy alone, you don’t think that there might be a remote chance other life forms exist? If so, then why would the creator of the universe send his Only Begotten Son to us humans? Are we more important than these other beings?

    What arrogance does man have to imply this to himself. We are but one of the creations God made.

    Islam advocates the ones of God. To be good to thy neighbor. To give to the poor. To not steal or lie or hurt anyone. We respect all Prophets from Adam to our Prophet Muhamed, including Moses, Jesus and everyone in between.

    You must not let people like likwidshoe intimidate you into accepting his bully way.

    Ask yourself if no man affected your beliefs. If you were born and raised away from any influences. Would you know Buddha or Jesus or anyone else? No. But you would have a yearning to worship God. That basic belief in all of us is what Islam is all about. You don’t need mediators to talk to God. You can ask him yourself.

    Don’t take my word for it. But you owe yourself to read and come to your own conclusion. The fastest growing religion in the world, including the U.S., is Islam. It’s the religion of the poor and destitute. What we call the people closest to God.

    Imagine that Islam was first bestowed on the Arabs of the Arab peninsula. They were, by far, the least important peoples of the world then. We had no armies, no science. We didn’t even know how to read and write.

    But this destitute people, few in number were able to defend itself against the two most powerful countries at that time, The Persian and the Byzantine empires. Outnumbered in some cases ten to one, God allowed us to win.

    I hope I gave you some info. I wish you all the best including likwidshoe. This is good bye from me.

  • docdave

    my idea was not to attack the Catholic Church and build a legal case against them

    You certainly fooled me and probably everyone else too.

    deny the Roman Catholic Church (topic of this thread) any moral superiority over Islam

    One has to be out of their mind to suppose that Islam is morally equivalent to Christianity of which the Catholics are a part.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/white_folks_greed_runs_a_world_in_ Joel

    Neiman condems Catholics and infers the similarity between the Pope and the mullahs…..but squirms like a stuck pig when the comparison is applied to “his” beliefs.

  • carrick

    Neiman, thanks for the link, which I am looking through, but I would have to agree with Kenny that you have committed the “sin” of moral relativism in equating the actions of the Catholic Church with Islamists, as well as resorted to the logically flawed tu quoque argument, as commented upon by Bat One, by seeming to dismiss the Pope’s arguments simply on the basis that the Pope’s moral position may not be completely impeccable.

  • Neiman

    In Latin American countries they are not simply trying to keep people from leaving the Roman Catholic Church, they work very hard at shutting down any other denomination and they harass and sometimes have harmed Protestant Missionaries to stop them from preaching the Gospel. They have even succeed in passing laws against any proselytization of Catholics by any non-Catholic religion in some Latin American countries.

    They don’t just put simple pressure on Catholics for converting as you implied, they excommunicate them, that means, the Church condemns them to eternity in hell. This Pope recently said that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true Church and anyone outside that communion are lost. Plus, I guess you forgot the history of the Catholic Church and their forced conversions during the Inquisition.

    So, I wasn’t make any direct comparison between Islam and the Roman Catholic Church and you know it, I was simply making it clear that they have little historical moral ground upon which to charge hypocrisy against anyone else. I am second to no one in condemning Islam for their rapes, tortures and murders of Christians and similar treatment of Muslims that tolerate or convert to Christianity.

    So, you can insert you ‘give me a break” childish response where the sun don’t shine. It was totally uncalled for by anything I said in what was solely a comment on hypocrisy, made in a civil, decent and rational manner!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Islam expanded by the sword. MYTH.

    No, it’s true. Islam spread by force, not by convincing people that it was some great religion that they should embrace. It’s also currently expanding by the sword today in places like Africa.

    Islam however, when they opened a land…

    “Opened a land”?

    …allowed the people of the land…

    “Allowed”?

    Your chosen words betray you nalhamid. The true belief shines through.

    …to choose freely between remaining a Christen and converting to Islam. Proof of this are the millions of Christens residing in several Muslim Countries today.

    You must think that we’re stupid.

    The Pope talks about second rate citizens, what about the way the west deals with all Muslims today?

    What about it?

    Why is it that when someone who carries out a heinous act of bombing some thing and he happens to be Muslim, all Muslims are looked at as co-conspirators?

    “All Muslims”? You’re making more things up nalhamid.

    And what’s with the “happens to be Muslim” comment? Don’t lie by omission. You’re talking about people who bomb in the name of Islam.

    But if a Christen person does it (McVieh comes to mind) not all Christens are gathered up or they are spied on.

    McVeigh committed his act of terrorism in the name of Christianity?

    In the end everybody has some good and some bad people. It’s not right to point a finger at anyone.

    Aww..how cute. He points his finger at other people, whitewashes Islam’s murderous history, brings up a nonsensical comparison, and then tells us not to notice the ugly truth.

    Get real nalhamid.

  • WETBACK

    I don’t think that there is a church that stands that preaches to truth, the pope is worse than a thief.

    “Whoever seeks peace and the good of the community with a pure conscience, and keeps alive the desire for the transcendent, will be saved even if he lacks biblical faith.” Benedict XVI

  • Neiman

    1. The Roman Catholic Church attacks Protestant Christians and encourages laws in Latin America to ban any evangelization of anyone, especially Catholics. So, is the Pope free of hypocrisy in this matter?

    2. It is interesting to view the hierarchy of Say Anything. Everytime Rob is gone, three others can dominate the home page. I wonder why that is!

  • Neiman

    I posted a very civil, reasonable and decent comment in response to YOUR thread, you replied by being rude without any cause – no justification whatsoever, now who has the hostility problems?

    Some of you emotionally handicapped people posting here really amaze me, when decent people, even liberals, state their beliefs honestly and without any rudeness of any kind, just because you don’t agree with it you start the rude comments, name calling, crude language and personal attacks; and even when someone calls your bluff and even when they do so without acrimony or lack of civility, you just upgrade your attacks and then accuse the innocent party of having a hostility problem, all because you are unable to engage in intelligent, civil debate based on the facts.

    Seriously, you need to grow up! Just because someone disagrees with your beliefs it is not an excuse for your constant rudeness, name calling and personal attacks which are all signs of impaired, juvenile emotions.

    Lastly, you cannot read or comprehend the English langauge very well. You know that the Inquisition comment was solely to compare the levels of extreme violence of the Papacy to that of Mohammed’s disciples, and thereby to speak to the fact the Roman Catholic Church has no moral grounds for accusing Islamic Terrorists of hypocrisy when they have historically and in current times plenty of cases of hypocrisy in their ledger.

  • http://www.insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    My position herein was solely to deny the Roman Catholic Church (topic of this thread) any moral superiority over Islam as regards the sin of hypocrisy, not to directly compare the two, at least in modern times. I may have done so poorly and the absence of documentation made my case weaker, but it was without ill motives and not meant to attack the Catholic Church.

    So, as stated, you were engaging in moral relativity. Perhaps Pilgrim’s response was unneccessarily harsh-but he pretty much hit the nail on the head. You equated Islam to Christianity, and said “who’s he to talk?” Your response was every bit what Pilgrim claimed it was. And when confronted with it, you become quite insulting to EVERYONE, not just Pilgrim…and played victim.

    You made an insanely bad argument, got called on it, and tried to pretend you said something different.

    Even if the Church IS hypocritical, they don’t kill the people who convert away…their apostates. Even under the premise that the Catholic Church sucks too…it sucks A LOT LESS. And as such, is clearly the superior here.

  • Pilgrim

    Nieman,

    I think the difference is that the Catholic church doesn’t come and cut your freakin’ head off if you decide to leave the church.

    Do they put pressure on their congregation to stay? Sure. So do the Shriners and the PTA. Gimme a break.

  • Bat One

    To pass judgment on the truth of what is said based on who the speaker is, or the ideology of the organization he represents is a liberal gimmick… not one worthy of conservatives. If the Catholic Church had spent the better part of the past 400 years systematically eliminating religious competition from Latin America, that would not make what the Pope said about Islam any less true, would it?

  • Neiman

    I was just thinking about your unnecessary hostility comments and it reminded me of a schoolyard bully punching, kicking, slapping and forcing others, always smaller than himself or otherwise unable to strike back, to cower in fear; then someone stands up knocks them on their ass and the bully runs away crying like a little baby to the teacher sobbing through the tears that the boy that stood up for himself is a bully and violent (hostile). The bully tries to get attention off the fact they are the real bully, they have no real manhood and thereby hope to convict the victims of causing him to do bad things. Pretty sad really! Kind of like a wife or child beater, really cowardly people in my opinion.

    In this case, it is totally unnecessary and always counterproductive if one hopes to engage in civil, intelligent and decent debate. That is my only goal here, to engage in civil, rational and decent debate with other mature human beings, not engage in name calling! But, I am not given to cowering and shrinking back when others start the bullying!

  • robert108

    Hypocrisy=terrorism/murder? I don’t think so.

  • nalhamid

    Hi,
    Like to read most of your blogs, have comments on this one.

    Islam expanded by the sword. MYTH.
    Actually the Catholic belief is one of the most horrendous ones in written memory. The Incas of South America were all but annihilated. The Jews and Muslims of Spain were subjected to the Spanish Inquisition and scores of people all around the world were killed and maimed in the Name of Jesus Christ. No other belief was tolerated in a Catholic country.

    Islam however, when they opened a land allowed the people of the land to choose freely between remaining a Christen and converting to Islam. Proof of this are the millions of Christens residing in several Muslim Countries today.

    The Pope talks about second rate citizens, what about the way the west deals with all Muslims today? Why is it that when someone who carries out a heinous act of bombing some thing and he happens to be Muslim, all Muslims are looked at as co-conspirators?
    But if a Christen person does it (McVieh comes to mind) not all Christens are gathered up or they are spied on.

    In the end everybody has some good and some bad people. It’s not right to point a finger at anyone.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Neiman – 2. It is interesting to view the hierarchy of Say Anything. Everytime Rob is gone, three others can dominate the home page. I wonder why that is!

    There’s actually four of us who can dominate the front page when Rob is gone. The Whistler, Pilgrim, Ken McCracken and me. I just choose not to.

    As to why that is, it’s because Rob prefers a blog that is fresh. It used to be that every time he left, I would monitor the blog and approve guest posts. I would also feel obligated to put up some posts. This ended up as being too much work for both of us (back then the blog software required that one of us go through the daily hundreds of spam comments and look for false positives; this job was usually done by me) and the situation was that the blog responsibilities were much too unstable for one person alone. The joke was that every time Rob left, the blog’s code would then take a giant shit and leave all of us hanging. It happened nearly every time Rob took a break from the blog in 2005 and the better part of 2006. It came to be expected as just one of those quirky things that happened to Say Anything blog. It didn’t matter if it was WordPress or MoveableType (blogging software). It just happened.

    Come to the latter part of 2006, the blog’s software again changed, this time to ExpressEngine. The best of the bunch IMO. Rob also decided at this time to add a few more front page posters, much to my delight. For the record, I was pulling for The Whistler. Pilgrim and Ken McCracken also made their permanent front page status at this time.

    Now you know. It’s for freshness and stability. Rob is always captain of the ship, but he does it with a supporting crew now.

  • docdave

    The Roman Catholic Church attacks Protestant Christians and encourages laws in Latin America to ban any evangelization of anyone, especially Catholics

    Of course you have links to information that backs up your assertions, don’t you neiman?

  • nalhamid

    You quote from the Quran, even though your scholars scrutinized it and Even hostile critics of Islam have grudgingly vouched for the purity of the Holy Qur’ân: “THERE IS PROBABLY IN THE WORLD NO OTHER BOOK WHICH HAS REMAINED TWELVE CENTURIES (now fourteen) WITH SO PURE A TEXT.” — (Sir William Muir)

    I also read the Bible. There are verses there that could not be read in a public place where ladies are present.
    Examples are like :

    “We have a young sister, and her breasts are not yet grown. What shall we do for our sister for the day she is spoken for? (Song of Songs 8:8)” and later about the sister….. …..”I am a wall, and my breasts are like towers. Thus I have become in his eyes like one bringing contentment. (Song of Songs 8:10)”

    Song of Songs 8:1-3 “If only you were to me like a brother, who was nursed at my mother’s breasts! Then, if I found you outside, I would kiss you, and no one would despise me. I would lead you and bring you to my mother’s house– she who has taught me. I would give you spiced wine to drink, the nectar of my pomegranates. His left arm is under my head and his right arm embraces me.” She wished if he were her biological brother so she can take him home without a secret and there he can have sex with her all the time!

    You claim The Quran is brutal but the Bible has these verses:

    EX 32:27 “Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor
    LE 26:29, DT 28:53, JE 19:9, EZ 5:8-10 As a punishment, the Lord will cause people to eat the flesh of their own sons and daughters and fathers and friends

    NU 31:17-18 Moses, following the Lord’s command, orders the Israelites to kill all the Midianite male children and “… every woman who has known man ….”

    JS 7:19-26 Achan, his children and his cattle are stoned to death because Achan had taken a taboo thing

    JG 11:29-39 Jepthah sacrifices his beloved daughter, his only child, according to a vow he has made with the Lord

    2KI 6:29 “So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her, ‘Give up your son so we may eat him,’ but she had hidden him.”

    Know this

    The Roman Catholic Bible was published at Rheims in 1582, from Jerome’s Latin Vulgate and reproduced at Douay in 1609. As such the RCV (Roman Catholic Version) is the oldest Version that one can still buy today. Despite its antiquity, the whole of the Protestant world, including the “cults”* condemn the RCV because it contains seven extra “books” which they contemptuously refer to as the “apocrypha” i.e. of DOUBTFUL AUTHORITY. Notwithstanding the dire warning contained in the Apocalypse, which is

    the last book in the RCV (renamed as “Revelation” by the Protestants), it is “revealed”:
    “. . . If any man shall add to these things (or delete) God shall add unto him the plagues written in this Book.” (Revelation 22:18-19)

    The Protestants have expunged seven whole books from their Book of God!
    The outcasts are:
    The Book of Judith The Book of Tobias The Book of Baruch The Book of Esther, etc.

    The Rev. C. I. Scofield, D. D. with a team of 8 Consulting Editors, also all D.D.’s in the “Scofield Reference Bible” thought it appropriate to spell the Hebrew word “Elah” (meaning God) alternatively as “Alah”

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/white_folks_greed_runs_a_world_in_ Joel

    Islam expanded by the sword. MYTH. when they opened a land allowed the people of the land to choose freely between remaining a Christen and converting to Islam. Proof[proof? really] of this are the millions of Christens residing in several Muslim Countries today
    nalhamid on September 23, 2007 at 12:47 am

    Everbody knows that this is total brainwashed bullshit from an individual who has “never” touched a history book. [nor apparently has he read the Koran] The Koran -”CALLS”- muslims to spread islam by the sword!!!

    This is the same nonsense [the "poisonous fodder"] used by power hungry politicians to appease dim-witted constituents, and is the source of ceaseless propaganda offered by fame seeking, so-called “unbiased” reporters who wish to appear “compassionate” before their audiences in order to increase their market share.

    I’ts this faulty reasoning that allows idiots like Michael Moore to re-characterize murdering terrorists as freedom fighting minutemen.

    It’s this defective reckoning that’s the basis of the erroneous belief that “homicidal fanatics” can be reasoned with in sit-down negotiations.

    It’s pure, unadulterated bullshit-plain and simple.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    nalhamid – Alas I hoped that a lesson would be learned here, but I was wrong.

    The lesson you are attempting to teach is one of whitewashing. We’re not buying it.

    You must not let people like likwidshoe intimidate you into accepting his bully way.

    Huh? I don’t have a way. I just want Islam to leave people alone. Islam has major problems. I’m not a “bully” for noticing it and pointing it out.

  • 2Hotel9

    Wow, Nman, your continued attacks against any who do not submit to YOUR narrow, twisted definition of Christian is,,,,normal, and to be expected. No wonder you have no problem with Muslims. You share their hate-tinged mentality.

    I just did a sweep, no howling riots as of this AM.

  • http://www.insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Kenny: You have a right to your opinion! In an early post I stated clearly as I did on other occasions that I was not comparing the violence of Islam and the modern Catholic Church, only that both churches historically are guilty of hypocrisy about how they treat other faiths, albeit to varying degrees.

    If you cannot accept that, then that is up to you and you apparently, deliberately, for reasons known only to you, want to close your eyes to the many abuses of the Roman Catholic Church of other Christian faiths and non-believers. You are wrong, but you have a right to be wrong!

    So not only are the two equivalent, but I’m evil for not acknowledging it. Gotcha.

    It is not my opinion that you practiced moral equivalency. It is what you have done. The chare of hypocracy, or as I put it “Who is he to talk”, is a tactic to disqualify someone from speaking. “Islam may execute apostates. BUT CATHOLICISM tells them they’re going to hell!” Who cares? The catholic church tells people they’re going to hell for everything. Let them flap their gums. When they try to send me there I’ll care.
    Varying degrees? What a load of horsecrap. One clucks disapprovingly, the other chops off heads. One tried to make it hard to convert their followers, the other declared a wide variety of laws and dhimmi status for non-believers, with a penalty of death for violating their dhimmitude.

    Sure you said that you didn’t compare the two, but that was blatant crap. As in Every. Single. Post. You. Have. Compared. The. Two. Such as:

    Lastly, you cannot read or comprehend the English langauge very well. You know that the Inquisition comment was solely to compare the levels of extreme violence of the Papacy to that of Mohammed’s disciples, and thereby to speak to the fact the Roman Catholic Church has no moral grounds for accusing Islamic Terrorists of hypocrisy when they have historically and in current times plenty of cases of hypocrisy in their ledger.

    So you admit you’re comparing the two. Your very first comment to the post shrugs off Islam’s violence with a “Meh, Catholics are violent too.”

    You can dance around this point all you like, but I’ll continue to hold your deceptive feet to the first. You CANNOT say you are not comparing the two, and yet claim you’re talking about hypocracy. In calling someone a hypocrite, you are, by teh very nature of the charge, accusing them of exactly what they are condemning. So in calling him a hypocrite, you are, by neccessity, directly comparing the Catholic Church and Islam, both currently and historically, of violent treatment to apostates. Any other bullsh*t that comes out about “I’m not comparing. Nothing like that.” is just a cheap attempt to dodge criticism, while making the people debating you into the bad guys. You wish to accuse me of dishonesty? That’s fine. I stand by what I say. You are lying through your teeth about the fact that you’re comparing the two, to elevate Islam and lower the Church. And I, for one, am not going to back off, just because you call me a meanie head.

  • Neiman

    If the Catholic Church had spent the better part of the past 400 years systematically eliminating religious competition from Latin America, that would not make what the Pope said about Islam any less true, would it?

    No it would not, the Pope’s statements were true; but considering their own violent and ugly history, not less hypocritical either. Which was my sole point.

    I would have to agree with Kenny that you have committed the “sin” of moral relativism in equating the actions of the Catholic Church with Islamists.

    I not only didn’t make a direct comparison, I went out of my way to make that very point. It was about hypocrisy, that was all! I have never engaged in any form of moral relativism. Yet, you and others simply do not want to accept, because of your own bias against me and my faith, that I was solely speaking to the point of hypocrisy!

    Joel and Lik, I notice with interest that neither of you challenged or commented on nalhamid’s listing of some of the crimes of the Catholic Church against Protestants and others throughout their history; and that was the only basis for my comments, that the Catholic Church accusing Islam of Hypocrisy, of which they are indeed quite guilty, is to fail to recognize the hypocrisy of their own Church.

    Joel: Not one comment you made, not one in your post of September 23, 2007 at 05:17 am has any basis whatsoever in fact, they are all deliberate false charges and outright lies based on your hatred of Christ and the Church.

    2hotel9: Ditto my comments to Joel reference your post of September 23, 2007 at 04:43 am. Neither of you can prove any of your false charges, it is simply that you will not tolerate any opposing opinions, demanding everyone absoluetly submit to your will in all things or else you will engage in mindless, false charges to satisfy your own egos and exteremist agenda which is wholly intolerant of other views.

  • nalhamid

    Let the Bible Speak

    LOT’S DAUGHTERS COMMIT INCEST WITH HIM !

    [Gen. 19:30]

    Lot went up out of Zo’ar and dwelt in the hills with his two daughters.
    And the first-born said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is
    not a man on earth to come to us after the manner of all the earth.
    COME LET US MAKE OUR FATHER DRINK WINE AND WE WILL LIE WITH HIM, that we may preserve offspring through our father. So they made their father drink
    wine that night; AND THE FIRST BORN WENT IN AND LAY WITH HER FATHER; HE DID NOT KNOW WHEN SHE LAY DOWN OR WHEN SHE AROSE.

    And on the next day, the first-born said to the younger “Behold, I lay
    last night with my father, let us make him drink wine tonight also; then
    you go in and lie with him that we may preserve offspring through our
    father. So they made their father drink wine that night also, and the younger
    arose, and LAY WITH HIM; and he did not know when she lay down or when
    she arose. THUS BOTH THE DAUGHTERS OF LOT WERE WITH CHILD BY THEIR FATHER.

    JUDAH WITH HIS DAUGHTER-IN-LAW

    Judah fornicates with his daughter-in-law: Ta’-mar.
    [Gen. 38:15]
    When he saw her, he thought her to be a harlot, for she had covered
    her face. He went over to her at the road side and said “Come, LET ME
    COME INTO YOU” for he did not know that she was his daughter-in-law.
    She said, “What will you give me, that you may come into me?” He
    answered, “I will send you a kid from the flock.” And she said “Will
    you send me a pledge till you send it?” He said, “What pledge shall I
    give you?” She replied “Your signal and your cord and your staff that
    is in your hand.”

    So he gave them to her, and WENT INTO HER, and she conceived by him.
    About three months later, Judah was told, “Ta’-mar your daughter-in-
    law has played the harlot, and moreover SHE IS WITH CHILD BY HARLOTRY.

    DISGUSTFUL COMMAND TO EZEKIEL
    ——————————
    [Ezek. 4:12]
    The Lord said to Ezekiel, “And you shall eat it as barley cakes and you shall
    bake it WITH DUNG THAT COMES OUT OF MAN in their sight. And the Lord said,
    Even thus shall the children of Israel eat their defiled bread among the
    gentiles.
    Then Ezekiel said, “Ah, Lord, God, behold, my soul has not been polluted: for
    from my youth up even till now have I not eaten of that which dies of its self,
    or is torn in pieces, neither came there abominable flesh into my mouth.”
    Then God replied and said to him, “Lo, I HAVE GIVEN COW’S DUNG FOR MAN’S DUNG, and you shall prepare your bread there with.”

    THEY EAT DUNG & DRINK PISS
    ————————–
    [2King 18:27]
    Rab’-sha-keh said, “Has he not sent me to the men which sit on the wall, THAT
    THEY MAY EAT THEIR OWN DUNG, AND DRINK THEIR OWN PISS with you.”

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/white_folks_greed_runs_a_world_in_ Joel

    Neiman and HG could be loosely characterized as non-violent “Christian Taliban.”

    With their continual warnings about the condemnations of judgement day [which they say they would be "remiss" if they didn't mention] and the predictions of the everlasting torments and hell fire we’ll all suffer if we challenge their narrow unjustified beliefs, they are reminiscent of Qu’ranic clerics belaboring islamic proscriptions.

    They chastise others, who don’t belive what they do, like children and they do it with smae arrogance and certitude of a Mullah Mohammed Omar.

    In a recent thread, someone challenged their religious beliefs about “blind faith” in unfalsifiable doctrines and they absolutely eviscerated him –with HG calling him a
    communist, a liberal nut job, and un-American simply because he disagreed with their religious doctrines.

    HG and Neiman, the arbiters of all that is good and virtuous [and bad] in the world [because GOD told them so] will decide what’s best for your everlating soul;-)

  • Neiman

    Joel: You are an intelligent and as far as I can tell a decent man and so for you to call me a Mullah, suggesting sympathy to Islam or having a miltant view of Christianity is, I think, beneath you. Further, having given my own son in this war and my grandson (at my encouragement) and my nephew fight against Islamic terrorists today, I think considering such thinngs name calling is beneath contempt.

    I don’t care if you disagree with everything I believe, I take it as a badge of honor, and if you choose to attack me on various matters that is fine; but to suggest I would force my beliefs on anyone else or that I have sympathy for Islamic terrorists is just wrong.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/white_folks_greed_runs_a_world_in_ Joel

    they are all deliberate false charges and outright lies based on your hatred of Christ and the Church.
    Neiman on September 23, 2007 at 10:35 am

    If you say so Mullah Omar Neiman…..

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Muslims = lying, hypocritical, thieving, murderous, backwards, hateful, intolerant, and evil.

    People like nalhamid do nothing to change that reality. They only attempt to change the subject.

    Is this “radical Islam”? No, it’s just Islam. They’re the same everywhere. In every land where they are the majority, death, destruction and mayhem is the norm.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Way to go! Some of you insisted on changing the subject from Islam to Catholicism. Now, once again, Islam’s evils will remain secondary.

    Neiman – maybe you can “notice with interest” what’s happening here. Many people, you included, couldn’t help but to change the subject. Why? As for the “crimes of the Catholic Church” – who cares? That wasn’t the subject until you and the Muslim made it the subject.

    It reminds me of when I was a young kid. I would do something wrong and when punished, just as little kids are wont to do, I would change the subject to one of my sister. My father would have to say, “we’re not talking about your sister, we’re talking about you”. It seems that you and the Muslim haven’t learned this lesson yet.

    nalhamid – Islam has major problems. You bringing up Christianity in an attempt at changing the subject doesn’t really work on those of us who aren’t Christian. What say you? Are you just going to continue to ignore Islam’s many problems? Apparently so. If you insist that it is a “MYTH” that Islam violently spread, then I can’t help but to conclude that you’re nothing but a liar.

  • Pilgrim

    Way to go! Some of you insisted on changing the subject from Islam to Catholicism. Now, once again, Islam’s evils will remain secondary.

    Good catch, Lik. This is EXACTLY how the Religion of Perpetual Tantrums and their allies on the left keep off the skyline. They re-direct any criticisms and are masters of using moral equivalence as a tool.

    Our new friend nalhamid is obviously well versed in the study of religion. He also manages to avoid addressing the issue of a culture who is smugly satisfied with burying women up to their waists and killing them with stone, strapping bombs on ignorant kids, and killing if their “faith” is insuled.

    And then he spouts this crap:

    I look at your churches and I see in the front fancy leather seats “reserved” for the elite. While the rest of the flock is limited to the hard wooden benches. I saw churches for white people and churches for black people.

    The difference is that in ANY of our churches a person of his faith would be welcomed as a guest. In his places of worship a Christian would be killed.

  • Lestat

    Elect? OR elite? AND I you are right about John Calvin.

    I learned it as elect, but I believe it was a translation. But if you believe that only certain people go to heaven, that is a belief in an elite class of worshipers.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Here’s your lesson nalhamid:

    This year Islam and Judaism’s holiest holidays overlapped for 10 days. Muslims racked up 397 dead bodies in 94 terror attacks across 10 countries during this time… while Jews worked on their 159th Nobel Prize.

    You shall know them by their actions.

  • 2Hotel9

    Wow, I done missed a day of fun here! Damn. I’ll just have to console myself with the afterglow of putting 200rds down the tube of a Thompson, M21. I think it is a good trade off. And Da Steelers won. All in all, not a bad day. Especially since all you kind folks done picked up the slack.

    Nman, your grievance here should be with nalhamid, not the Pope. Your blind hatred of any Christian that deviates from what you preach is your weakness. And such as nalhamid exploit that weakness. nalhamid is the advocate of the Flaming Sword of Allah. And yet you are silent towards an open enemy of all Christians and Non-believers. You betray your anger at, and paranoia of, the world around you.

    I was not attacking you. Simply making a timely observation. You supplied the rest. As always.

  • 2Hotel9

    lestupid, Islam needs a Calvin, Luther, Bucer, etc etc. Reform is what it so desperately needs. A casting out of the extreme fundamentalist doctrines and adherents. That change must come from within. Pressure from without can drive this in any of several directions, to back away or submit are not really options. Never have been.

    And spare me the tiresome diatribe about Calvin and the integration of Church and State to a repressive degree. Reformation is the crux of the issue. An alteration of accepted, dogmatic doctrines and believes.

  • http://www.insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    But this destitute people, few in number were able to defend itself against the two most powerful countries at that time, The Persian and the Byzantine empires. Outnumbered in some cases ten to one, God allowed us to win.

    And now, your people are an irrelevancy. Your entirety of nations beaten for decades by a tiny little community of Jews. Were it not for the oil that was beneath you, you would be an irrelevant footnote on today’s culture and would either be left to savage each other, or would be a smoking crater after you bothered us.

    Your entire contribution to this thread is to try and deflect any deserved criticism on the cancer that some people call Islam by pushing off any problems with your faith onto Christianity, Judaism, or frigging Buddhism. Anything to ignore the fact that your faith has contributed more violence in modern days that all other faiths during the course of history.

    Imagine that Islam was first bestowed on the Arabs of the Arab peninsula. They were, by far, the least important peoples of the world then. We had no armies, no science. We didn’t even know how to read and write.

    Except for the armies part, none of that has changed. The arab nations are the most desitute, least scientifically advanced, and have the highest illiteracy rates in the world. Even under Soviet Russia, the repression was nowhere near as high as it is in the Arab world today. In every land where the word of Mohammad is law…nothing good comes. Just opression, death and despair.

  • carrick

    Neiman, it would help if you could give us some specific examples, rather than anecdotal examples. Though obviously prejudice is a problem everyplace there are humans, as probably is hypocrisy.

    Regardless, I haven’t seen any examples more recent than 500 years ago of Catholic excommunications that were tantamount to beheadings.

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    I have never heard of a church that considers anyone elite???

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    I wonder what church nalhamid went to with leather seats reserved for the elite? AND hardwood for everyone else? HA!….

  • 2Hotel9

    And now, lets us return this piece to battery and fire on the original coords.

    The Pope is, in fact, walking the razor’s edge with this. It is entirely possible for this all to become open, multi-ethnic/religious Holy War. It could hinge on so little as a sentence.

    And don’t believe me! Simply look at history, and then attempt to tell me it could not.

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    It would not surprise me if the vatican gets bombed by these peace loving idiots.

  • Neiman

    Joel: As usual you are absolutely wrong as to every charge you have made and every charge you make against me is based on your unreasoning fear of me and Christianity. Your subjective opinions are based on extreme bias and a rejection of all common sense. But, I have no malice towards you, only pity!

  • robert108

    nal: If Islam is so peaceful and diverse and tolerant, why is there a death penalty for wanting to convert to another Faith?

  • 2Hotel9

    Verily, we shall.

  • Neiman

    DocDave: I admit most of my thoughts are based on anecdotal evidence over a lifetime of hearing about the repression of non-Catholic religions in Latin America; and this has not been an area of specific study on my part, so I don’t have research data readily at hand. However, with time to research I believe I could offer you many links to support the historical (up to recent decades at least) case wherein the Roman Catholic Church and many Latin America countries worked together to deny Prostestants the right of proselytization of Catholics and together engaged in the torture and deaths of large numbers of Protestant missionaries.

    My position herein was solely to deny the Roman Catholic Church (topic of this thread) any moral superiority over Islam as regards the sin of hypocrisy, not to directly compare the two, at least in modern times. I may have done so poorly and the absence of documentation made my case weaker, but it was without ill motives and not meant to attack the Catholic Church.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=JOGlq2Fyl5EC&pg=PA97&ots=DXYqIuqz78&dq=History+of+Catholic+repression+of+Protestantism+in+Latin+America&sig=G_4DjcM73-PSD3ClVg7gqZY2W3k#PPA98,M1

    http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0897-6546(200124)26:1<35:LATIOA>2.0.CO;2-X

    Garrick: I wasn’t intimating anything like beheadings for the RC in recent decades, the persecution or repression of non-Catholic faiths takes milder forms today thank God.

    As I said to DocDave, I regret not providing case studies and other supportive data, but my idea was not to attack the Catholic Church and build a legal case against them, only deny them or if any other religious faith had been mentioned, the right to claim a high moral ground on the matter of hypocrisy.

  • Neiman

    Kenny: You have a right to your opinion! In an early post I stated clearly as I did on other occasions that I was not comparing the violence of Islam and the modern Catholic Church, only that both churches historically are guilty of hypocrisy about how they treat other faiths, albeit to varying degrees.

    If you cannot accept that, then that is up to you and you apparently, deliberately, for reasons known only to you, want to close your eyes to the many abuses of the Roman Catholic Church of other Christian faiths and non-believers. You are wrong, but you have a right to be wrong!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/white_folks_greed_runs_a_world_in_ Joel

    In Islamic law [now in 2007]muslim masters are allowed to keep slaves.

    The Qur’an even gives a man permission to have sexual relations with his slave girls as well as with his wives:

    23:1-6). A Muslim is not to have sexual relations with a woman who is married to someone else — except a slave girl:

    And the slaves can only be legitimately awarded to the Muslims by the caliph — yet another reason why the mujahedin so hope to get the caliphate back up and running again.

    We now have a sizable group of people who are quite happy to argue that keeping slaves is morally acceptable.

    [24.32] And marry those among you who are single and those who are fit among your male slaves and your female slaves;

    Slavery is a daily reality for millions of world citizens.

    The American Anti-Slavery Group estimates (in 1999) that there are at least 27 million slaves in the modern world.

    In the Sudan the tactics of cultural annihilation practiced by the Islamic government include raiding non-Islamic Dinka and Nuba villages in the south for slaves who are then sold in the north. These people have suffered branding, rape, castration and female circumcision and number an estimated 100,000.

    In Islamic law , the topic of Islam and slavery is covered at great length.

    The major juristic schools of Islam accept the institution of slavery.

    Muhammad and many of his companions bought, sold, freed, and captured slaves. [because]Slaves benefited from Islamic dispensations which improved their situation relative to that in pre-Islamic society.

    The Qur’an, their holy book, and the hadith, the sayings of Muhammed see slavery as an exceptional circumstance – a condition that can be entered into only under certain circumstances.[like conquering and occupying another country]

    For a variety of reasons, internal growth of the slave population was not enough to fulfill demands in Muslim societies.

    This resulted in massive importation, which involved enormous suffering and loss of life from the capture and transportation of slaves from non-Muslim lands.

    Besides being practiced openly today in Sudan and Mauritania, there is evidence that slavery still continues beneath the surface in other majority-Muslim countries as well — notably Saudi Arabia, which only [ostensibly] abolished slavery in 1962, Yemen and Oman, both of which ended legal slavery in 1970, and Niger, which didn’t abolish slavery until 2004.

    In Niger, the ban is widely ignored, and as many as one million people remain in bondage. Slaves are bred, often raped, and generally treated like animals.

  • Pilgrim

    When we stand in prayer, there is no distinction of wealth or race. Whoever comes earlier goes in the front lines. A poor man or rich white or black, we all stand shoulder to shoulder.

    I should have included this in the quote above.

  • docdave

    Don’t think I’m sticking up for Islam

    Really?? I would think that you would support anyone that hates the Jews as much as you do.

    So I question all of your hatred of Islam,.

    Perhaps as one might question your hatred of Judaism.
    I think this from Christian scripture is appropriate: ‘don’t try to take the sliver out of your brothers eye until you have removed the plank from your own’.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/white_folks_greed_runs_a_world_in_ Joel

    based on your unreasoning fear of me and Christianity.
    neiman

    OK church lady… I’m gonna go watch some GODLESS football now—-Excluding the Washington Redskins that is……

  • WETBACK

    I don’t know anything about Islam, but it easy to take verses and throw them out as proof just like nalhamid has done here. I’m not going to challenge any of them, I’m just going to let them ride.

    It would be just as easy for me to quote from the Talmud and show you what filth the rabbis have wrote over time, maybe some of you can find good arguments to challenge them.

    But this discussion here is the perfect example why it’s a joke to think anything is going to change as far as Iraq,Iran,etc. Not that there all true followers of the koran, but the koran certainly has influence in there system.

    Just like Christianity was a huge part of our own. In allot of ways I wish Christians would stand up as I said many times before. This idea that Christianity can survive living side by side with all it’s enemies is a joke.

    Don’t think I’m sticking up for Islam, Jesus is the only way to God. In many areas Christianity has changed, at one time women where not allowed at the pulpit. So I question all of your hatred of Islam, not for the sake of islam but for the sake of Christianity.

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    Elect? OR elite? AND I you are right about John Calvin.

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    Nalhamid…Supporting terrorism in the name of Allah or in the name of God is no way to go through life. Get a clue!

  • nalhamid

    Likwidshoe It is strange you ask me to prove the innocence of Islam of being a brutal religion. Doesn’t the ones of proving Islam guilty resides on the accuser? Show us with out doubt that Islam spread its beliefs by the sword.

    If YOU don’t then we all will consider YOU a big bag of hot air. The point I was making wasn’t to attack anyone but to show that there needs to be a through inner look by the Pope to what is being preached as the word of God and try to come together in areas that we agree with each other and accept that each have also traits that make us unique.

    For your info The Second Caliph Omar when he opened Jerusalem, he respected other religions and ordered that all religious houses would remain in the hands of their respective priesthood.

    No Christen or Jew that reside in an Islamic country lawfully can be attacked. He is free to work and live within the country.

    Slavery was existent in the time when Islam emerged. Islam dealt with this issue quite fairly. It first of all gave rights to slaves. It then encouraged Muslims to free slaves to reap the rewards of the next life. In addition many sins were only forgiven when slaves were let go.

    Most of the early Muslims were slaves. The most famous of them was Billal Bin Ribah, an African that was one of the closest friends of the Prophet and was the caller of prayers.

    When we stand in prayer, there is no distinction of wealth or race. Whoever comes earlier goes in the front lines. A poor man or rich white or black, we all stand shoulder to shoulder.

    I look at your churches and I see in the front fancy leather seats “reserved” for the elite. While the rest of the flock is limited to the hard wooden benches. I saw churches for white people and churches for black people.

    Tell me likwidshoe which God would advocate that?

    I tried to show you the sheer silliness of the Popes call of equality when that which he calls for is absent in his country.

    Look within and be humble. Do not try to reassure yourselves of your religion by attacking others. I felt it my duty to try and inform you, but you can guide a horse to water but you can’t make him drink.

  • nalhamid

    Continued from my last submission

    Why does every Gospel begin with the introduction — ACCORDING TO … Why?
    Because not a single one of the vaunted four thousand copies extant carries its author’s autograph! Even the internal evidence proves that Matthew was not the author of the first Gospel which bears his name.

    “And as Jesus passed forth thence, HE (JESUS) saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and HE (JESUS) saith unto HIM (MATTHEW), follow ME (JESUS) And HE (MATTHEW) arose, and followed HIM (JESUS).” (Matthew 9:9)

    1. The “so-called,” because nowhere does the “New Testament” calls itself the New Testament, and nowhere the Old Testament calls itself the Old Testament. And also the word “Bible” is unknown within the pages of the Bible.

    One can see that the above narration do not refer to Jesus or Matthew as its author, but some third person writing what he saw and heard — a hearsay account. If we cannot even attribute this “book of dreams” (as the first Gospel is also described) to the disciple Matthew, how can we accept it as the Word of God?

    J. B. Phillips, who was a paid servant of the Anglican Church, a prebendary of the Chichester Cathedral, England. States the following:

    “EARLY TRADITION ASCRIBED THIS GOSPEL TO THE APOSTLE MATTHEW, BUT SCHOLARS NOWADAYS ALMOST ALL REJECT THIS VIEW. THE AUTHOR, WHOM WE STILL CAN CONVENIENTLY CALL MATTHEW”

    “THE AUTHOR HAS PLAINLY DRAWN ON THE MYSTERIOUS ‘Q’ WHICH MAY HAVE BEEN A COLLECTION OF ORAL TRADITIONS.” What is this “mysterious ‘Q’?” “Q” is short for the German word “quella” which means “sources.” There is supposed to be another document — a common source — to which our present Matthew, Mark and Luke had access. All these three authors, whoever they were, had a common eye on the material at hand. They were writing as if looking through “one” eye. And because they saw eye to eye, the first three “Gospels” came to be known as the Synoptic Gospels.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    nalhamid – Likwidshoe It is strange you ask me to prove the innocence of Islam…

    What?! Is that what you thought I was asking for?

    I was just asking for a little bit of honesty.

    If YOU don’t then we all will consider YOU a big bag of hot air.

    Yeah, okay. Islam is so peaceful. Just look at the Middle East. Why,..it’s a bastion of peace! Nevermind the fact that Islam is filled with conquest in each land it has infected. Let’s just ignore that and bring up Christianity.

    Question: how come so many Muslims say, “God is great!” as they kill innocent people? It must be that lack of brutality you’re talking about.

    And what’s with the “we all” bit? Quit trying to speak for other people.

    No Christen or Jew that reside in an Islamic country lawfully can be attacked. He is free to work and live within the country.

    Really? So Saudi Arabia changed their laws to make the Bible legal in that country? Since when nalhamid?

    Stop lying.

    I look at your churches…

    I don’t have churches. Stop trying to change the subject.

    Tell me likwidshoe which God would advocate that?

    This is known as “begging the question”.

    Look within and be humble. Do not try to reassure yourselves of your religion…

    It’s like you don’t know how to read. Once again numbnuts: I don’t have a religion. And quit trying to change the subject.

    I felt it my duty to try and inform you, but you can guide a horse to water but you can’t make him drink.

    You’re not allowed to guide this “horse” to water. Remember? Your intolerant and hateful religion doesn’t allow me to even enter:

    Explain that one away nalhamid. It’s located in that “free” country that throws your ass in jail if found in possession of a Bible.

  • docdave

    Islam however, when they opened (occupy) a land allowed the people of the land to choose freely between remaining a Christen (as a second class citizen paying tribute to the muslims) and converting to Islam or be beheaded

    . lol, mahomad, we heard all this before and discounted it for the disinformation that it is. Islam is an abomination using force, violence and clever untruths to proselyte itself on others and to discourage defections.

  • http://www.insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    I not only didn’t make a direct comparison, I went out of my way to make that very point. It was about hypocrisy, that was all! I have never engaged in any form of moral relativism. Yet, you and others simply do not want to accept, because of your own bias against me and my faith, that I was solely speaking to the point of hypocrisy!

    Oh bunk.

    Your point was that the church is hypocritical because they make it hard for other faiths to minister in Latin America, and they’re generally not very nice to apostates. This somehow invalidates the Pope’s criticism (in your mind), because in his hypocracy, he is not morally superior. Every comment you’ve made has re-iterated this point. In talking about hypocracy, you are directly comparing the two churches. Then when you are rightfully thumped on the point, you cry about “heavy handedness”.

    I think a story explains this best. My uncle was a racist. He hated blacks and vietnamese with a passion. But when he’d read about them being killed…he always was disturbed. I thought this odd (as he was a racist), and asked him about it. His response “I have the right to hate them all I want. I don’t have the right to kill them.” Hypocritical? Maybe a little, but the point is still right. And it’s coming from someone who’s merely not nice…to a murderer.

  • robert108

    Hypocrisy is an argument against credibility. When someone is accused of hypocrisy, like claiming that a certain religion is “a religion of peace”, for instance, hypocrisy is used to dispute that claim. If you want to question the credibility of the Catholic Church, go right ahead, but is that really in any way equivalent to what Islam does?

  • http://ewebsmith.com/ ews48

    Step one accomplished. So far we have 1,2,4,5,6,7, and 10 done or close to being completed and the rest are well under way. Keep up the good work on number 9.

    1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy
    2. Create a gulag
    3. Develop a thug caste
    4. Set up an internal surveillance system
    5. Harass citizens’ groups
    6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release
    7. Target key individuals
    8. Control the press
    9. Dissent equals treason
    10. Suspend the rule of law

    (steps to fascism)

  • Neiman

    I never asserted any such equivalence, I only spoke to the topic of hypocrisy!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/white_folks_greed_runs_a_world_in_ Joel

    P.S.
    HG also–smarmily and condescendingly–excoriated Bezu for posting a piece about banning the Qu’ran.

    HE sternly “warned” all of us that this was being “un-American.”

    Yet it was our very own HG who wanted to “BAN” me from this blog for offending “his” personal religious sense of propriety.

    Can you say hyp·o·crite?

  • robert108

    Hypocrisy is not in any way equivalent to terrorism, torture, rape and murder, not to mention strapping bombs on children.

  • Pilgrim

    The Inquisition was over 500 years ago. So were the Dark Ages. And, yes, the church does condemn anyone who leaves it, but if you’re changing your belief system and don’t follow the Catholic doctrine anymore, what do you care?

    I think you have hostlity issues.

  • 2Hotel9

    nalhamid, you and Nman are brothers. You see this life as punishment. And the only consolation either of you have is in spreading hatred and misery to those who accept this life as a gift. Y’all are different sides of the same coin.

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    The ADL Anti Defamation League has some interesting examples of what the MOA, Muslims Of America have to say about what they think in their OWN WORDS. Google Muslims Of America and the ADL will reveal the supposed “Peaceful” religion. The shoe bomber and the subway bomber are just two of the ones that are mentioned. It is very interesting! The MOA is popping up in rural America. AND each of the members have at least one semi automatic weapon. The members must send 30% of their income to a man called Sheik Gilani who resides in Pakistan and funds the taliban and all those lovely people…

  • Lestat

    I have never heard of a church that considers anyone elite???

    I believe it was John Calvin who believed in an “elect”. He believed that it was predetermined who would make it to heaven. Of course he was one of the chosen.

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