So the NRA isn’t promoting getting illegal firearms off the street, rather negating them by arming people legally.

Did you even read the first link?

Where the official Clinton-Gore Administration national policy has been active refusal to enforce the law one jurisdiction thwarted the party line and prosecuted the armed felon provisions of federal law. That jurisdiction was Richmond Virginia, were a joint federal/state/local task force called Project Exile was organized.

Seizing on the success in Richmond, several Governors moved to enact programs modeled after Project Exile. Thus Exile is now in place on a statewide basis in six jurisdictions: Virginia, Colorado, South Carolina, Pennsylvania, Louisiana and Texas. Project Exile has spread thanks to the work of Governors and law enforcement officers in those states despite the fact that the Clinton-Gore Administration initially opposed it, has only reluctantly admitted that Exile does indeed work and has yet to put the full weight of the executive branch behind the program.

To see the effectiveness of Project Exile, one only has to look at the city where it started–Richmond, Virginia. There it has been so successful that it`s actually changing the way criminals operate in the city. Thanks to Exile drug dealers are reportedly disarming themselves rather than face enhanced sentencing for gun possession involving drugs which could easily mean life imprisonment under existing federal law.

Before it began in 1997, the city of Richmond suffered the second highest per capita homicide rate in the nation. Today, the U.S. Attorney`s Office in Richmond reports that following the implementation of Project Exile, lives are being saved. Homicides in 1999 were 46% below 1997 for the lowest number since 1987. Gun crimes have declined an amazing 65%.

Under Project Exile, Richmond Police Department officers and Virginia State Troopers carry a laminated card that lists the types of criminals targeted for Project Exile proSecution under federal law. That list includes a person who has a gun and is a “convicted felon (state or federal!, drug user or addict, fugitive who has fled another state, (or) is under indictment for a felony.” When an officer makes an arrest and one of these crimes may be involved, the officer calls the 24-hour pager number listed on that laminated card to determine if federal law may have been broken. If it has, Project Exile initiates federal prosecution immediately.

Project Exile officials say the federal system offers the advantages of prompt indictments, no bond (there fore no pretrial release), and faraway prisons less accessible to the inmate`s family and friends. Press reports show that a felon-in-possession case in state court would take about a year to prosecute, during which time most defendants are on the streets, free on bond. The same case in federal court would take about 70 days, and bond is denied in 69% of Project Exile cases.

The U.S. Attorney reports that publicity i essential to the program`s success. Thousands of business cards printed with the slogan “An illegal gun gets you 5 years in Federal Prison” have been distributed, and the message is repeated on billboards and other advertising.

Breaking federal gun laws carries a heavy penalty. For example, for possessing a gun or ammunition, a felon can be sent prison for 10 years and fined $250,000. Moreover, federal law requires a mandatory minimum five years in prison for this offense, and under Project Exile, prosecutors will not plea bargain to a sentence below the mandatory minimum. If a plea agreement is not reached, the case proceeds to trial.

Under Project Exile in Richmond, as of April 1, 2000:

* 607 individuals have been indicted for federal firearm violations
* 460 individuals have been arrested on the federal charges
* 311 (approx. 69%) have been held without bond
* 383 have been sentenced to an average 56 months (4.7 years) in a federal prison

I feel your pain Rob.
Thank goodness for my credit card and reloading press. I’m gonna go exercise my 2A rights tomorrow @ Wiltons gun range…..with my .22. Gotta save those .223 rounds for Prairie dog vermin.

Not that the press helps much these days. Take a look at gun broker, guys are giving up their first born for some small rifle primers or Varget the last few months.

People aren’t into hiring racists anymore.

Really? Obama hired Eric Holder.

Alternate, accurate headline: Majority Of Americans Support Gun Control, Legalized Abortion.

The Armed Criminal in America -NRA-ILA

The NRA’s resolve to not want any restrictions on firearms. They are a representative of the manufacturers…

This is patently false. Any other canards of the left you want to parrot here, pak?

The trouble for me leaning left is I didn’t see the need for cop killer bullets, I don’t see the need for a 30 shot clip, or a street sweeper shot gun.

Only when they try to define “cop killer” bullets, they include a large number of rounds currently used for hunting. So, those who want to eliminate the private ownership of guns, use loaded words, like “cop killer”. They use the term “assault rifle” to falsely refer to any number of semi-automatic rifles, based primarily on cosmetic differences.

The NRA does not oppose all restrictions on firearms, but recognizes that most of the restrictions proposed these days are incremental means of achieving the anti-gunners goal of eliminating the private use and ownership of all firearms.

The NRA actively promotes stricter punishment for those who commit crimes with firearms. Passing endless gun laws that only the law abiding will obey does not reduce violent crime. Punishing criminals does.

Yes I did read the first link. Thanks. What you are saying with project exile affirms what I stated before they only way you can control illegal gun ownership is by cracking down hard with law. Just like New York did. It also affirms that just because everyone in the hood owns a gun doesn’t;make them safe. I am assuming most of these crimes before project exile were committed with a fire arm. Guns don’t make you safer. A responsible moral person with a gun makes you safer. If everyone was responsible and moral you wouldn’t need a gun to protect yourself. Of the 607 people indicted federally, 147 haven’t been arrested on federal charges and over 300 people made bond and 127 served less than 5 years in prison. THese can’t be true numbers because the NRA has proven that gun laws don’t really have an effect on crime. Please look under falsehood of gun controll on the NRA sight. Not to mention now you are counting on the FEDS to help. Turn in your conservative cards.
I am glad this worked in Richmond. Why not institute it in other major crime areas.
All it takes is cooperation, coordination and some tax money.

The biggest thing the NRA should be fighting for is how to get the illegal weapons off the Street.

Taking armed criminals off the street is very high on the NRA’s agenda. Maybe you should educate yourself beyond a list of who their supporters are?

Prosecution is Prevention

They represent their supporters and if you go to the NRA foundation web page under corporate sponsorship you will find many firearms, ammunition and retail sponsors.

Big duh, moment there! Of course firearms and sporting manufacturers will support those that support their lawful products.
But for you to characterize the NRA as “a representative of the manufacturers” is flat out wrong. I’ve probably been an NRA member longer than you’ve been alive. I’m very particular about who I support and who I give my money to. The NRA is my representative and a representative of millions of Americans who support the Second Amendment. The fact that the people who make the guns support them too, shouldn’t come as any surprise to anyone. Many of them are gun owners, themselves!

Again, you can mouth the lefty canard all you want about the NRA being a representative of the manufacturers. That won’t make it so.

Proofter:

I noticed you didn’t link to any polls or evidence backing your original assertion!

LOL. Are you really this stupid?

From ROB’S ORIGINAL FUCKING ARTICLE:

For the first time in a Pew Research survey, nearly as many people believe it is more important to protect the right of Americans to own guns (45%) than to control gun ownership (49%).
(…) Currently, 46% say abortion should be legal in most cases (28%) or all cases (18%); 44% believe that abortion should be illegal in most (28%) or all cases (16%).

Just scroll up to the top of the page. You can do it!

The biggest thing the NRA should be fighting for is how to get the illegal weapons off the Street.

You obviously know almost nothing about the NRA so you aren’t qualified to cast judgement on them.

Much like the GOP (Cheney) did when they were trampling the constitution under Bush.

You mean illegal wire(phone) taps? The same thing Obama is continuing to do this very day. Nice try sparkie buttfuckle.

I just wish I had it in my budget to get more guns. And do more shooting.

Rob, next time you are in Fargo, we’ll have to make a range trip. Ammo is cheap for me as I reload

Maybe we could have a SAB range outing.

Pak,

I find myself throwing up a little bit in my mouth for saying this, but in this limited instance, I agree with you.

The Constitution was meant for a good people. Those with morals and strong moral compasses.

The Second Amendment of the Constitution was meant as a twofold device: for the provision of personal safety of the individual and as a defense of a tyrannous central government.

Moreover, not only did the Second Amendment protect a fundamental right (that of self defense) by virtue of personal arms, there was a duty tied to that right, which was to serve in the militia.

That duty, in modern days, has fallen into disuse and only those who are students of the history of the drafting of the Constitution still seem to recall that with those rights, that duties were also attached.

That being said, and the duties forgotten, a substantial portion of any given population has forgotten self control and internal guidance.

Those people are dangerous on a good day, and arming them makes them absolutely toxic to those within range.

The question now would be, in restoring the Second Amendment back to its former glory, how do we keep the evil people unarmed?

I suppose we could handle the Second Amendment like any other aspect of civil society. The default setting is The Constitution Until Proven Unworthy.

Those who have had violent criminal histories would be issued their own, distinctive form of identification, much as minors who cannot drive by themselves or purchase booze or cigarettes. The rest could buy arms as guaranteed by the law of the land.

The NRA has a pragmatic approach to taking illegal arms off ;the street. IT CAN”T BE DONE> The only approach is a hard crackdown as New York did. Not truly feasible and definitely not sustainable. Since you can’t beat them you must join them. By arming yourself the bad guys will think twice before interfering with your liberty,the exception being the most immoral hardened criminal that presuming you are armed will shoot first. Since the common criminal is less likely to commit a crime on someone he suspects of having a firearm why conceal. Aside from being a bit unnerving as a fashion statement wear it open and let them know you have it. So the NRA isn’t promoting getting illegal firearms off the street, rather negating them by arming people legally. Thus helping the firearms industry.
NRA did fashion and endorse laws outlawing the making of firearms, ammo that is undetectable by security scanners. This shows that they will work with the government in controlling unreasonable weaponry. The problem though is what is considered
unreasonable weaponry. Is there or has there been an escalation in fire power? As the firearms industry develops newer more sophisticated weaponry,ammos will the NRA be able to stand up to them and say no it is not needed. Thats where the doubts come in and objections are raised. Is it a case where that weaponry should be left in the hands of law enforcement in the name of security. That is the conundrum. Like I wrote before the barn door is open and you can not get rid of firearms. Responsible,common sense control can be established. should be established.. It starts with the firm arms manufacturers controlling what they develop, build, and sell. Just because you can doesn’t mean you shoul. That’s their responsibility. Hopefully the NRA can control the barn door.

I put my NRA sticker on the window of my car today and the card in my wallet. I may not own a gun, but one doesn’t need to when taking a principled stand.

Ha! Get a gun, pantywaste.

AR, I think the NRA should hire you as a recruiting agent.

People aren’t into hiring racists anymore.

Sparkie you obviously missed what I said in your zeal to convince yourself that you’re funny.

Me:

I may not own a gun, but one doesn’t need to when taking a principled stand.

As to your owning weapons, how very nice for you. I am happy for you that you’re partaking of your rights.

I did not say I owned knives, I stated that blades don’t need reloading. You read into that what you wanted. My point was actually that there are more weapons than guns, and more abstractly that the weapon is less important than the person who wields it.

Not everyone who has a gun will use it when they need to and not everyone who seems unarmed will be unable to act when people assume it.

Right now they are reacting out of fear for what they see Obama doing. The next step will be to educated them on why their reaction needs to be out of principle for their own best interests that fear is causing them to subliminally see, and their posterity. Otherwise, when they become complacent again, they might tilt back towards the idea that there’s nothing to worry about in gun control.

Sparkie, the nutbag leftist, owns two handguns and some rifles. I have a knife too, suite. In fact, I have two Buck knives that are near and dear to me, one being handed down from grandpa.

The second amendment is part of the check and balance system we have here in the US. People often loose sight of that and try to drag the discussion into concerns about ‘safety’. Much like the GOP (Cheney) did when they were trampling the constitution under Bush.