Poll: 61% of People Want Secret Ballot for Union Elections.

• March 19, 2009

And I think it’d be higher yet once you get people thinking about union thugs accosting people in parking lots or even their homes to sign them up.

Sixty-one percent (61%) of Americans say it is fair to require a vote by secret ballot if workers want to form a union. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that just 18% say it is not fair to require a secret ballot.

The reasons why unions have lost strength in this country is that they have driven the businesses that are unionized (or even the entire domestic industry) out of business.
Airlines, Newspapers, Auto Manufacturers. How long are they gonig to survive?
So why are the Democrats in Washington trying to cram this down our throats when the overwhelming majority doesn’t want it.
Secret ballots are far more popular than Barrack Obama.

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http://Array 2Hotel9

Unions served their purpose long ago. Time for them to vanish. Like the dodo and 8track.
Buzz

While you eat at McDonald’s they hold contract negotiation talks in vacation spots and eat at five star restaurants on your union dues.

I’m glad they are having a good time. I make more than twice what my non-union counterparts do in the electrical industry. And well worth it. It cost money to build and staff a apprentice training center for the five years we go through training. Our on and off the job training gives us the experience and know how to far and away out produce the non-union in amount of work per hour and quality of work. Without my UNION dues there would be no hierarchy to implement the programs that keep us the cream of the crop. The heads of the IBEW are doing the job we pay them to do, and doing it well. I am thankful for their dedication and sacrifice on my behalf.
Mickey

Obama is in big trouble if all the teleprompters go union
http://www.kenmccracken.blogspot.com/ Ken McCracken

The Writer’s Guild is the ultimate refutation of Buzz’s claim that union member are better at their jobs than other people.

Television and movies are damn near unwatchable these days.
axxkicker

just for reference, here’s a group of people implementing their greater productivity and know-how.
Halatbis

One need only look at two things to understand where “Card Check” is coming from: The money from Unions to Democrats in the past election–Dorgan for one in an insignificant labor state. Why? Because a ND Senator can be bought cheap, and Dorgan can win a Senatorial election in ND with a million bucks.
Secondly: Big Labor can put boots on the ground to work the precints for –again–Democrats.
The Democrats owe Big Labor in a big way. EFCA is nothing more than PAYBACK for favors rendered. CDP in congress are doing what they were bought and paid to do.
FlyOnTheWall

39% are opposed to secret ballots? ! ? !
HG

2, I think unions have an important role to fulfill and you’ll agree with me if they ever actually do it

Uh, just a thought, but maybe, just maybe, they won’t?

How much failure should we have to tolerate before we go with what will work?

It’s like saying that even though socialism has repeatedly failed throughout history, the right people just haven’t tried it yet, so keep electing the same liberal democrats. Nevermind its inherent confliction with prosperity and liberty. Someday someone will get it right.

Unions suck.
Buzz

No Buzz, the plan is to eliminate secret ballots.

Do some research. You are wrong. The secret ballot is still in place if the employees want. That is the whole point of this, it gives the employee a choice, not the company. Now the company can ignore the card check provision and force a secret ballot.
2Hotel9

Unions drag everyone down into the shitter. They never lift anyone up, other than the criminal assholes who run them.

Time for them to vanish.
SigFan

New nationwide strike hits France

Mickey – I’ve been in France, Italy, Germany and the UK when these clusterfucks happen and it is not pretty. These goons can shut down the entire country for days because they feel that they are entitled to extra toilet paper in the WC, or an additional week of vacation on top of their government mandated 6 weeks. This is exactly wher we’re headed of this piece of crap comes into being.

I don’t know if anyone else remembers back in the late 60′s when the Teamsters went on a nationwide strike and independent truckers were being shot at because they wouldn’t play along. That’s the kind of tactics they’ll use again if we allow them to get this legislation through. As far as I’m concerned, unions are just legalizing mobster gangs who get what they want through intimidation, extortion or worse.
axxkicker

I make more than twice what my non-union counterparts do in the electrical industry.

totally supporting the fact that unions artificially inflate end prices for the exact same service.

great argument.

in fact, every time you open your mouth, you convince others of your untenable position.
FlyOnTheWall

Now the company can ignore the card check provision and force a secret ballot.

“Force a secret ballot” seems like imposing the horrors of letting the workers decide without coercion.

Glad you like your union works, the fact unions still exist implies atleast some usefulness. My own limited experience was closer to ’15% union dues to give me federal minimum requirements.’
SigFan

So, to use the Obama administration’s logic, the fact that the minority of citizens want card-check means we must pass it to protect minority rights. After all, they are all about the minority, unless it’s a minority that doesn’t go along with their policies. Or a majority that disagrees with them either.

They will keep ramming crap down our throats as long as we continue to let them. Until the majority become angry, they will just keep on and damn the consequences. Not that I expect any liberal to accept the consequences of their actions.
Mickey

today’s headline in the BBC:

New nationwide strike hits France

Hundreds of thousands of French workers are expected to join the country’s second nationwide strike in two months.

This is where we are headed with the card check plan.

Obomunism.
axxkicker

more workers implementing their greater skills to the cause of productivity.

and here’s some of that teamwork that has helped GM so tremendously over the past several decades:
FlyOnTheWall

Time for them to vanish.

2, I think unions have an important role to fulfill and you’ll agree with me if they ever actually do it.
http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

Sorry I forgot the link. It’s up there. 18% think it’s unfair NOT to use a secret ballot.

The rest were undecided.
robert108

totally supporting the fact that unions artificially inflate end prices for the exact same service.

Unions exist to fix the price and supply of labor at higher than market prices. As such, they raise prices for everybody.
FlyOnTheWall

Unions are needed to represent the workers, more efficient than individual bargaining. Once the unions became political entities they stopped being representatives and became something other. I don’t know what they are now but they’ll create a horrible backlash against a legitimate use of unions.
Buzz

totally supporting the fact that unions artificially inflate end prices for the exact same service.

Do you get your taxed prepared by the cheapest most unskilled establishment you can find? Or retain the cheapest attorney? I thought not. You go to where the people have the skill and know how to do a job correctly. As with them, we more than makeup for the higher pay with greater productivity and know how. There is a reason nuclear power plants are built UNION. We know what we are doing, and do it right the first time. Refinery’s in our area always have the job done UNION because they want the plant to work when the job is done, not just hope it works.
Buzz

There is a secret ballot. Move along, nothing to see here.
http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

No Buzz, the plan is to eliminate secret ballots. What you enjoy now, Obama wants to take away at the behest of the rich corrupted sacks of slime at the top of the union. While you eat at McDonald’s they hold contract negotiation talks in vacation spots and eat at five star restaurants on your union dues.

When the frak are you going to wake up?
http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

BTW Buzz in response to your tax prep question, I do my own. I am the most qualified person I know to do my own finances. In your mind, everyone is pigeonholed into little spaces. Monoskill thinking. Like I said a while back, union electricians make really crappy coax and twisted pair wiring guys. It is simple work that housewives can do, but arrogant union electricians can’t seem to get beyond their tight little sphere to relate to something laterally.

I could give you a rundown of the things I am qualified for but it would be a damn sight longer than my previous post. Let’s just say I can do electrical, plumbing, carpentry, machining, network, cable, satellite, light masonry, and metal casting. Who needs a union when you have choices? Do you really want to have none left? What happens when the electrician’s market gets slow or dries up?

Oh yeah, you think that the union will somehow have your back. Heh… More like your backside. Better keep some KY in that toolbelt.
http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

The problem is that the unions stopped representing the individual workers about five seconds after they got started because in every hierarchical organization there is someone at the top and someone at the bottom. In such an organization where those at the top receive what they do through compulsion and extortion and may do so at will from the bottom, their only incentive is to keep that going.

There is compulsion and extortion in that the law has allowed unions to make entire workplaces closed shops where ONLY union members may work no matter what the individual or the company wishes. In others, the unions make no secret of the fact that they expect anyone that refuses to join to the union to be punished for their refusal both by intimidation from union members as well as by the employer in return for the nebulous implied promise of giving them some concession at a later date in return for having their back.

Union dues allow the tops of the union to go to the swanky hotels, the top shelf bars, the must be seen at restaurants, and live in bigger houses with more money than anyone they allegedly represent. They live more like the CEOs of the corporations they bargain with. So much for representing the little guy.

Then they provide crappy benefits that distract the workers from investing their own money that they might someday become the top dog. For the worker, nothing happens but same old same old. Present day labor laws and market force provide workers with most of their protections and salaries. Only where the unions are still fossilized troglodytic throwbacks are they still strangling any businesses, and they strangle the workers by encouraging monoskill thinking and discouraging career agility.

If there’s anyone still to be doing buggy whip making, bet your ass it is a union guy. You’ll notice us network engineers don’t have or need a union. Sure we gotta do a lot of self-study, but my pay is up to me, not a matter of suffering with two week strikes without pay just to get a few bucks an hour more.

The problem furthermore is that the union is joined at the hip with a sizable political segment, thus essentially joining one of the classic enemies of the worker: the state. Let us not forget that for years the government’s labor law ideas were elitist let them eat cake stuff. The union is now in bed with them. Where’s the angry third force? State, corporation, worker. Join the first two and the worker is back to being screwed. Oh yeah, bailout fever at congress. I forgot that one.

I wouldn’t trust a lawyer who slept with the prosecutor and I wouldn’t trust unions sleeping around with nearly the entirety of one of the two major political parties. Bad idea. Solution? Go it alone, stay agile, stay hungry, keep learning, keep expanding your interests, keep versatile. Above all else do not trust people coming around to say they have your best interests in mind when they want to compel a sizable piece of your paycheck out of you for minor favors and kisses on the forehead later when their breath smells like congressmen.

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