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Monday, October 23, 2006

Politics And Churches

I’ve been thinking a lot about this news concerning the IRS investigating churches for engaging in political activism.  If you’re not familiar with what’s going on, during the last election cycle a number of churches were very active in politics with some religious leaders actually supporting candidates (or denouncing them) from the pulpit. 

Churches, though, are non-profit entities that don’t have to pay taxes.  Unfortunately, that tax-exempt status is predicated upon the church, as an organization, being non-political.  That means the church cannot endorse or denigrate candidates.

What bothers me about this is that it’s a pretty clear violation of the first amendment.  I just don’t understand why religious leaders should have to refrain from talking politics and/or endorsing certain candidates or policies. 

Some will respond to that statement by saying that if we allow an organization to avoid taxes they shouldn’t be allowed to take sides in politics.  But that’s nonsense.  Every individual or organization in this country should be allowed to weigh in, at length if they wish, on politics.

I think the real argument to be made in all of this, though, is that our tax system is far too pervasive.  When we have the IRS investigating churches for doing nothing more than engaging in free political speech then I think it’s clear that we have a tax system that is far to burdensome.

Comments

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I think we should prohibit churches from endorsing specific candidates.  It’s relatively easy to claim ‘church’ status for an organization, and this is a ‘thick black line’ that separates political organizations from legitimate churches.

gregdn on October 23, 2006 at 06:09 am

greg, your point makes sense.  You’re saying that this rule keeps illegitimate churches from calling themselves a church and using the tax benefits.

However I still have problems restricting free speech of legitimate churches.

For one thing, it’s impossible to enforce fairly.  What you’ll have is the IRS going after target churches for whatever reasons.  I’m uncomfortable with that.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on October 23, 2006 at 06:17 am

The IRS has regulations on churches getting involved in politics.  The problem has been that it is PC to not prosecute “Black” Churches.  read: democratic leaning and voting.  That is The Truth.


Communism is evil

Chief RZ on October 23, 2006 at 06:19 am

I’m guessing that the only churches they’ve ever gone after have been the Christian Conservative churches.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on October 23, 2006 at 06:21 am

I think we should restrict any more restrictions. I am tired of government encroaching on our citizens rights! Let’s go after the terrorists and enable our nation to remain free?? One way to insure that is by not giving our rights and privilages away to foreigners… Politicians need to worry more about our nations business and stop playing partisan politics.

Zsa Zsa on October 23, 2006 at 06:23 am

It’s relatively easy to claim ‘church’ status for an organization,…

No, it’s not.  It’s relatively easy to get non-profit status, but not church status.
As far as investigating religion-politics connections, let’s start with Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.


Save America; boycott the MSM.

robert108 on October 23, 2006 at 07:19 am
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Robert:
What specifically would stop me from establishing say, the “Church of St. Jesse Jackson”

gregdn on October 23, 2006 at 07:58 am

Try it and find out.  During the Seventies, I researched the various non-profit categories for a group I was representing, and found out what I wrote in my previous post.  There are several categories, and “Church” is the most difficult one.  I was surprised that Scientology was able to get it, frankly.  It is very difficult to get church status.


Save America; boycott the MSM.

robert108 on October 23, 2006 at 08:16 am
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I’m guessing that the only churches they’ve ever gone after have been the Christian Conservative churches.

I believe it may be quite the opposite of that ..

aNONOMISLY on October 23, 2006 at 08:26 am
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Robert:  That does surprise me as there are a lot of wacko churches out there.

gregdn on October 23, 2006 at 08:34 am

Any group can call themselves a church, but they have no legal status or power as such, unless the govt grants them the church status.  Anton LeVey comes to mind when you are talking about “whacko churches”.  Of course, I also consider all of radical Islam a “whacko church”.


Save America; boycott the MSM.

robert108 on October 23, 2006 at 08:43 am
Avatar for Don Myers

The late great Frank Zappa offered a solution in his song “The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing”:

Tax the Churches!
Tax the fuck out of the churches!

Tax the motherfuckers and let ‘em endorse anyone they want...problem solved.

Don Myers on October 23, 2006 at 09:31 am

Great, Don, that way all the money that is generated by churches for helping the poorest among us, such as through the Salvation Army and other such groups, will go to government.  Then these people will have to rely on government intead of the charity of their neighbors..  Great idea except it doesn’t work in REALITY.

Most churches in America are nothing but communities coming together every weekend to worship. These groups should be allowed to preach whatever they want without fear of being censored, whether that be political or not.  Threats of such taxation are very close to extortion ("Keep your mouth shut on politics and we’ll leave you alone") and it is absurd to argue that me and members of my community shouldn’t be able to talk politics simple because we are in a church.


I think Rob hates me… I mean, just look at the pic he took of me!

Sphagnum on October 23, 2006 at 11:37 am

Don Meyers wrote: 

Tax the motherfuckers…

Typical leftie belief system.  Confiscate more money and ruin the economy, then use their dependence to enslave them in the “workers’ paradise”.  Great!


Save America; boycott the MSM.

robert108 on October 23, 2006 at 12:29 pm
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