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Police At Obama Rally Told To Stop Checking Crowd For Weapons An Hour Before Event

What the heck?

NEW YORK The Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported late Thursday that security details at Barack Obama’s rally in Dallas (of all places) on Wednesday “stopped screening people for weapons at the front gates more than an hour before the Democratic presidential candidate took the stage at Reunion Arena.

“The order to put down the metal detectors and stop checking purses and laptop bags came as a surprise to several Dallas police officers who said they believed it was a lapse in security,” reported the paper’s Jack Douglas, Jr. More than 10 days remain until the Texas primary and a key vote for president.

“Dallas Deputy Police Chief T.W. Lawrence, head of the Police Department’s homeland security and special operations divisions, said the order—apparently made by the U.S. Secret Service—was meant to speed up the long lines outside and fill the arena’s vacant seats before Obama came on. ‘“Sure,’ said Lawrence, when asked if he was concerned by the great number of people who had gotten into the building without being checked. But, he added, the turnout of more than 17,000 people seemed to be a ‘friendly crowd.’”

The Secret Service did not return a call from the Star-Telegram seeking comment.

One would hope that there’s a good reason for this, though I can’t imagine what it could possibly be.

As much as I dislike Obama as a candidate, I don’t want to see him or his family or anyone working on his campaign hurt.

The interesting thing would be to find out who actually issued the order.  Was it Secret Service or the Obama campaign?  And if it was the campaign, were they angling for this kind of coverage?  A calculated risk, perhaps, aimed at portraying Obama as a victim?

Pure speculation on my part, but it’s a bizarre situation.

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Dislike the campaign and message don’t want to see him hurt.


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goon on February 22, 2008 at 10:44 am

Bobby Kennedy declined Secret Service protection and that didn’t turn out well.

This really reflects poorly on Obama’s judgment.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on February 22, 2008 at 10:44 am

And if it was the campaign, were they angling for this kind of coverage?  A calculated risk, perhaps, aimed at portraying Obama as a victim?


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realitybasedbob on February 22, 2008 at 10:51 am

the turnout of more than 17,000 people seemed to be a ‘friendly crowd.’”

That has got to be one of the most asinine statements to make. That guy driving the panel van with “Free Candy” written on the side seems friendly too.
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Anna on February 22, 2008 at 11:00 am

That would really suck if the guy who wants to give the sovereignty of United States over to the UN were to be killed.

Uh huh. Sure. Big tears for this nation’s enemy.

likwidshoe on February 22, 2008 at 11:09 am

Bad form, Lik.  Besides, the quickest way to a Democratic landslide could be a sympathy vote addressed at attitudes like that.

You would figure that people would remember what happened in Dallas in 1963, and remember that Texas is one of the most armed societies in the country to begin with, but nah.  Gotta fill the arena? 

Thank God nobody got hurt with this one.

Bike Bubba on February 22, 2008 at 11:31 am

Bike Bubba, the “bad form” was passed a long time ago. We have a Marxist who wants to give away our sovereignty as a major Presidential contender with a lot of support. Nothing could be said that passes the bad form of that reality.

America - it was nice knowing you. Too bad you slowly ate yourself from the inside out with the failed socialist ideas of countless failed countries.

“Hope”, “change”, “hope”, “change” ad nauseum like a clown without any real ideas. What’s it mean? The death of America is what it means.

In the past, Americans would have strung this Obama character up to a lightpost. The whole idea of America was born in order to get away from his elitist big government ideas.

likwidshoe on February 22, 2008 at 11:46 am

What did the Clintons know about this and when did they know it?

Kevin on February 22, 2008 at 11:46 am

It sounds to me like the whole rally was mismanaged from the beginning.  A local radio show interviewed a few attendees and two of them stated that there was only one entrance open and that it took the whole two hours from time the doors opened to when the rally began to get everyone in.

kbiel on February 22, 2008 at 11:51 am

kbiel It sounds to me like the whole rally was mismanaged from the beginning.  A local radio show interviewed a few attendees and two of them stated that there was only one entrance open and that it took the whole two hours from time the doors opened to when the rally began to get everyone in.

This is a recipe for disaster.


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goon on February 22, 2008 at 12:11 pm
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That has got to be one of the most asinine statements to make. That guy driving the panel van with “Free Candy” written on the side seems friendly too.

Now you’re equating Obama supporters with child molesters. You stay classy, anna.

In the past, Americans would have strung this Obama character up to a lightpost.

And lik wants a lynching party. No wonder the rest of America is recoiling from you in disgust.

Jack on February 22, 2008 at 12:44 pm

Jack, I don’t defend Lik here (hopefully obviously), but Anna’s point is not to equate Obama supporters with child molesters.  It’s to point out that you can’t be sure you don’t have a few bad apples in a crowd of 17000 people.

Bike Bubba on February 22, 2008 at 12:50 pm

It does seem a bit silly to be so lax with the life of the potentially (and seemingly most likely) next president.
smile Keep smiling, hopefully there’ll still be something left of America to work with in four (or perhaps eight) years.

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ManofFireandLight on February 22, 2008 at 12:54 pm
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Anna’s point is not to equate Obama supporters with child molesters.

Thank’s for telling Anna and me what Anna is thinking. That’s really helpful.

Of course, if a Democrat ever said that about Sen. McCain’s supporters you’d all scream about it for days.

Jack on February 22, 2008 at 12:56 pm

Jack - what? You’d do well to stick with what you know, not what you think you know about what I want. Or Anna for that matter.

You are “recoiling in disgust” away from boogeymen.

BOO! Jack, BOO!

likwidshoe on February 22, 2008 at 01:01 pm

Looks like Jack was making more assumptions while I was commenting.

Oh well. The guy needs to find enemies where none exist. This is probably his excuse for ignoring the real enemies.

likwidshoe on February 22, 2008 at 01:02 pm
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*shrug*

You marginalize yourself more every day lik. Good thing America has matured beyond you.

Jack on February 22, 2008 at 01:03 pm

Thank’s for telling Anna and me what Anna is thinking. That’s really helpful.

Jack, you’re an idiot.  Even my 5 year old twins could tell what Anna was thinking, just from her words.  You know, words, those things we write or utter to, you know, convey our thoughts to other people.

Of course, if a Democrat ever said that about Sen. McCain’s supporters you’d all scream about it for days.

Thank’s for telling [Republicans] and me what [Republicans are] thinking.

kbiel on February 22, 2008 at 01:04 pm

Jack - Good thing America has matured beyond you.

You should copyright that. You say it enough.

Keep on ASSuming. It’s about all you’re good for. Now shut up and pay your taxes.

likwidshoe on February 22, 2008 at 01:06 pm

Good thing that America has “matured beyond” self sufficiency, love of America, and the unquestionable superiority of Western civilization.

Somehow, it just doesn’t make sense when you put it into context.

But hey, Jack needs his bumper sticker slogans.

likwidshoe on February 22, 2008 at 01:09 pm

You know, Jack, there is such a thing as logical inference, and the reading of words in the way they are intended.  You ought to try it sometime.

Bike Bubba on February 22, 2008 at 01:12 pm
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Jack on February 22, 2008 at 01:16 pm
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Bike:

Of course I don’t really think Anna was actually saying that Obama supporters are child molesters. But since the far-right wingers go ballistic at every imagined slight I thought I’d see how y’all like it.

lik, on the other hand, clearly wants to murder a United States senator. That is they kind of person the GOP is attracting these days. I’m sure y’all must be very proud.

Jack on February 22, 2008 at 01:28 pm

Of course I don’t really think Anna was actually saying that Obama supporters are child molesters.

Jack admits to lying.

But since the far-right wingers go ballistic at every imagined slight I thought I’d see how y’all like it.

Jack’s excuse for his lying.

lik, on the other hand, clearly wants to murder a United States senator.

Jack lies again.

That’s a serious lie there Jack.

likwidshoe on February 22, 2008 at 01:34 pm
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Bike:

See what I mean? lik represents the modern Bush supporter---violently unhinged and intellectually challanged.

Jack on February 22, 2008 at 01:36 pm
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Now you’re equating Obama supporters with child molesters. You stay classy, anna.

But since the far-right wingers go ballistic at every imagined slight I thought I’d see how y’all like it.

lik, on the other hand, clearly wants to murder a United States senator.

Jack,

You should’ve stuck with Anna’s comment. This last one is even more looney than the first.

This is what we get from liberals anymore.  Just a bunch of empty grade-school sarcasm.  When one of you libs wants to exercise a little honesty and actually defend your ‘liberty is a curse’, socialistic non-sense, let me know.  But then again, it isn’t likely you libs will actually come out and say that you actually oppose liberty as defined in our constitution.  Come’on ya libs, Let’s have at it over something more than he said/she said.

HG on February 22, 2008 at 01:40 pm

Jack thinks that a comment that lays out his lies is “violently unhinged and intellectually challanged”.

Wow. Jack is lost.

likwidshoe on February 22, 2008 at 01:44 pm

Jack, if you want to talk about unhinged, may I suggest “MoveOn,” “Huffington Post,” or “Daily Kos”?

Sorry, although things get rough & tumble here, we thankfully must acknowledge our superiors in the art of invective.

I bow before you.

Bike Bubba on February 22, 2008 at 01:49 pm
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This likwidshoe guy is a racist ass.  Hey jerk, move into the 21st century or crawl back under that rock from whence you came.

andydakota on February 22, 2008 at 01:50 pm

Well well well, guess who that is. The guy who believes that any criticism of the welfare and corruption laden reservation system is “racist”.

likwidshoe on February 22, 2008 at 01:52 pm
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That would really suck if the guy who wants to give the sovereignty of United States over to the UN were to be killed.

Uh huh. Sure. Big tears for this nation’s enemy.

Over the line, Likwidshoe.  Totalitarians want their political enemies killed, not citizens interested in a free society.


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Rob on February 22, 2008 at 02:02 pm
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Hey jerk, move into the 21st century or crawl back under that rock from whence you came.

Yet another brilliant argument from the unhinged left.  You keep this up and I’ll have no other choice but to become a liberal.

HG on February 22, 2008 at 02:04 pm

Rob - Totalitarians want their political enemies killed, not citizens interested in a free society.

I don’t want him killed, Rob. I believe that America deserves Obama.

Killing him would short circuit our election process. Electing Obama or not electing him is America’s choice and no killer should take that away from us.

At the same time, I wouldn’t be too upset if someone offed him. Just being honest there. As for wanting it to happen? No. This election needs played out and the choice needs to remain firmly in America’s hands. At least until Obama is elected at which point he will do all that he can to give our sovereignty over to the UN.

likwidshoe on February 22, 2008 at 02:17 pm
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That would really suck if the guy who wants to give the sovereignty of United States over to the UN were to be killed.

Uh huh. Sure. Big tears for this nation’s enemy.

Pathetic.

Jay on February 22, 2008 at 02:17 pm

Likwid:

I wouldn’t be too upset…


Let it go.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

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pparets on February 22, 2008 at 02:27 pm

Jay - here’s your pathetic right here.

It’s illuminating that I catch more grief than the Che Guevara supporters. I merely say that I wouldn’t shed tears over his death. His supporters, on the other hand, support a murderer who relished killing bound and gagged men and boys.

Oh well,..what are you going to do? “Pathetic” indeed.

likwidshoe on February 22, 2008 at 02:31 pm

pparets - sure. Clarifying is out of the question.

MYOB.

likwidshoe on February 22, 2008 at 02:33 pm
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Jack, if you want to talk about unhinged, may I suggest “MoveOn,” “Huffington Post,” or “Daily Kos”?

We’re not talking about them, Bike---we’re talking about lik and how he represents the Bush base. Saying “well, X does it too!” doesn’t cut it.

I assume someone will blame Clinton for lik’s comments now.

Jack on February 22, 2008 at 02:40 pm
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Granted liks comment was in poor taste, but he didn’t wish for or condone killing an elected official. Those intellectually honest liberals wouldn’t dare take lik’s comment too far and twist it just enough to say just that now would they. 

Lik,

The comment was over the top, but don’t let these loons get away with mischaracterizing your words.  This is all they got.  They cannot begin to argue the intellectually vacant tenets of liberalism and be seen for the enemies of liberty that they are. 

A word of advice, don’t throw ‘em any bones.

HG on February 22, 2008 at 02:42 pm

We’re not talking about them, Bike---we’re talking about lik and how he represents the Bush base.

“We”?

That would be you and Jack.

I assume someone will blame Clinton for lik’s comments now.

That’s the problem with both you and Jack. Your arguments rest on assumptions.

likwidshoe on February 22, 2008 at 02:43 pm
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Man, that was a tortured sentence. Let me try again:

“I assume you’ll blame lik’s comments on Clinton now.”

There. That’s better.

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Lik, I take back my comment about you wanting him dead.  But this:

At the same time, I wouldn’t be too upset if someone offed him. Just being honest there.

Is still way, way over the line in my book.


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Rob on February 22, 2008 at 02:44 pm

Rob: Likwid just might tell you to MYOB.  He seems to forget that when you post on a blog, its everybody’s business.


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pparets on February 22, 2008 at 02:59 pm

pparets - Rob had something to say.

Therein lies the difference.

likwidshoe on February 22, 2008 at 03:03 pm

Jack, the comparison is apt.  Here, among people who likely voted for Bush (or against Gore and Kerry in my case), we have people who are telling Lik that his comment--a fairly mild one--is out of line.

Now again, compare with DU, Kot, Huffington, and MoveOn with the “BushHitler,” “Chimpy...”, and so on.

You want to pick on someone for being classless?  Be my guest.  Go to Kos.

Bike Bubba on February 22, 2008 at 03:20 pm

likwid:

From Rob: 

is still way, way over the line in my book

From me:

let it go

You’re so right.  My bad.


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Jack, Bubba’s point (though I suspect it is lost on you) is that we are not so intellectually homogeneous on this site that we refrain from criticizing one of our right-leaning fellow travelers when we feel it’s necessary.

This is why those of us on the right are having a hard time lining up behind John McCain, but you guys on the left all fell in line behind Kerry.  We think, folks on the left generally feel.


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Rob on February 22, 2008 at 03:33 pm
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...we are not so intellectually homogeneous on this site that we refrain from criticizing one of our right-leaning fellow travelers when we feel it’s necessary.

Some people are mildly rebuking lik and that is mildly to their credit.

But my point (though I suspect it is lost on you) is that lik represents Bush’s---and by extention, the GOP’s---base.

You’ve allied yourself with the kind of people who think evolution is a hoax but wrestling is real.

You’ve allied yourself with the kind of people who want to lynch a US Senator.

Are you proud of yourselves?

Jack on February 22, 2008 at 03:46 pm
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We think, folks on the left generally feel.

You think that the insurgency is in it’s last throes.

You think that saddam planned 9/11.

You think Iraq had WMDs.

You think that Iraq is a Jeffersonian democracy.

You even think that Bush won the popular vote in 2000!

Yes, you think a lot of things---all of them wrong.

Jack on February 22, 2008 at 03:52 pm

Jack, a sample size of one proves that an anecdote occurred, not that Bush’s base desires to lynch a U.S. Senator. The base would refer to a large portion or a majority of voters, not a piece of anecdotal evidence.

And again, Lik never said he wanted to lynch anyone.  He suggested that he wouldn’t mind if someone else shot someone.  Work on your reading comprehension; I realize it’s difficult after 13 years of whole language reading instruction in the government schools, but give it a try, OK?

Bike Bubba on February 22, 2008 at 03:55 pm

What the hell is Jack going on about? He’s listed so many erroneous assumptions that it is hard to tell if he really believes what he is saying.

Jack is probably just lying again. He’s already admitted to lying about Anna’s comment up above, so it wouldn’t be out of line for him to be lying again. Jack has a history of lying.

likwidshoe on February 22, 2008 at 03:56 pm
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*shrug*

I’m not surprised tosee that lik cannot keep up with the conversation.

Jack on February 22, 2008 at 03:58 pm
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Bike:

Under all that snark and namecalling you do have a point. Not every Bush supporter is as bugfuck crazy as lik, and there are rational conservatives out there.

Jack on February 22, 2008 at 04:01 pm

jack:

We think that war on Islamic jihad will be a long one. President Bush predicted a “long, twilight war...”

At one time, most of the world thought that Iraq had WMD’s. The Kurds knew they did.

We think that Iraq should be a a democracy. We thought the same thing about Japan after WW II. It took about 25 years.

We know that President Bush won the election in exactly the manner prescribed by the Constitution. And we know that his popular vote margins were higher than either of Bill Clinton’s.

Yes, we think a lot of things. And we are usually right.  Hope this doesn’t hurt your feelings .


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pparets on February 22, 2008 at 04:06 pm

Jack - it’s not the conversation that’s hard to keep track of, it’s all of your lies. I’m just wondering where they came from and what the hell you’re talking about.

Now go ahead and flick that away with your back patting smarminess because it’s obvious that you don’t have an answer.

Who said that “saddam planned 9/11.”?
We think Iraq had WMDs. So do the Kurds.
Who said that “Iraq is a Jeffersonian democracy”?
Who said that “Bush won the popular vote in 2000”?

You were attributing them to Rob. Go ahead and back it up, then.

You’re nothing more than a two-bit liar, Jack. But I’m the “bugfuck crazy” one, right? At least that beats being a two-bit liar.

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pparets:

Much of what you think are preditions of the future, and I think you’re being wildly optimistic at best. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.

But there is one comment you made I want to respond to; your assertion that:

At one time, most of the world thought that Iraq had WMD’s. The Kurds knew they did.

1) British Intelligence warned Blair that Bush’s evidence of WMDs was being cooked to support policy (rather than building policy around facts). So I think you’re overstating that “most” of the world had it wrong.

2) The fact remains that Bush was wrong about WMDs. That is simply indisputed fact. And a mistake that massive is inexcusable.

Jack on February 22, 2008 at 04:31 pm

The fact remains that Bush was wrong about WMDs. That is simply indisputed fact. And a mistake that massive is inexcusable.

Right, because there is no way that they could have been moved out of the country in the 13 month “rush to war”.

Good thinking there, chief.

It didn’t go unnoticed that you failed to back up your claims. Gee,...wonder why. Maybe because you lied?

likwidshoe on February 22, 2008 at 04:37 pm
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pparets:

Sorry, but upon reflection there is one more thing you said I want to comment on: “The Kurds knew they did.”

Saddam DID use chemical weapons on the Kurds. That is a historical fact. Absolutely no one is denying that Saddam did [past tense] have WMDs. And no one is denying that the Reagan administration turned a blind eye to it as it was happening.

I just don’t think that avenging the Kurds 25 years after the fact is a good enough reason to invade Iraq.

Jack on February 22, 2008 at 04:51 pm

Jack: Franklin Roosevelt was certain that the Japanese Embassy was conducting honorable negotiations with him - even while Yamamoto’s task force was steaming toward Hawaii - and in spite of warnings from Naval Intelligence that an attack was emminent. He was wrong.

President Carter was convinced that he could quickly free hundreds of U.S. Embassy employees being held prisoner in Tehran by holding reasonable discussion with the Ayatollah Kohmeni. He was wrong.

President Clinton ordered a cruise missle attack on a Nigerian aspirin factory because faulty intelligence warned him that serin nerve gas was being manufactured there. People died in the attack. He was wrong.

Presidents are not gods. They are ordinary men often working under enormous pressure and relying on the data and advise they are given while trying to carry out their constitutional duty to protect the nation.


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

pparets on February 22, 2008 at 05:02 pm

Jack:

Saddam DID use chemical weapons on the Kurds.

I just don’t think that avenging the Kurds 25 years after the fact is a good enough reason to invade Iraq.

“The Jews have been the victims of German wrath for centuries, but is that a good enough reason to engage in a war?” Lord Beaverbrook 1938


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pparets on February 22, 2008 at 05:30 pm

Lik, give us a break.

“Hope”, “change”, “hope”, “change” ad nauseum like a clown without any real ideas. What’s it mean? The death of America is what it means

Ah yes, the death of America. I’m sure you’re proud of how far the current administration has already led us down that road. Are you ruling out any hope of undoing its disastrous economic and foreign-policy legacy? Are you advocating no change in our nation’s sorry status quo?
And how about some specifics? What exactly are you referring to when you say Obama is a “Marxist?” Don’t forget that even McCain is proposing affordable “socialized” healthcare for all Americans. Also, as concerns giving up our sovereignty to the UN as you say, even your guru Bush, who has often and perhaps sometimes rightfully bashed that organization, realized that in the final analysis cooperating with the UN is of crucial importance for maintaining or restoring peace and fortifying human-rights efforts around the world. Obama might be just what this country needs. As much as I respect McCain, he looks too much like a nebbish speaking in whispers instead of emphasis and might be taken or mistaken for Bush’s torchbearer, particularly with regard to Iraq, which we need like a Loch im Kopf.

Oswaldo on February 22, 2008 at 05:33 pm

Ah yes, the death of America. I’m sure you’re proud of how far the current administration has already led us down that road.

Oh yeah? Okay.

Are you ruling out any hope of undoing its disastrous economic and foreign-policy legacy?

What?

Are you advocating no change in our nation’s sorry status quo?

What? “Sorry status quo”? What?

And how about some specifics? What exactly are you referring to when you say Obama is a “Marxist?”

Broadly: his economics.

Don’t forget that even McCain is proposing affordable “socialized” healthcare for all Americans.

Now there’s a contradiction in terms: “affordable ‘socialized’ healthcare”. In any regard, what does McCain have to do with what Obama is or is proposing?

Also, as concerns giving up our sovereignty to the UN as you say, even your guru Bush, who has often and perhaps sometimes rightfully bashed that organization, realized that in the final analysis cooperating with the UN is of crucial importance for maintaining or restoring peace and fortifying human-rights efforts around the world.

Sure. Can you show us instances of the UN “maintaining or restoring peace”? Can you show us instances of the UN “fortifying human-rights efforts”? Them putting nations such as Cuba, Libya and Syria at the head of their efforts really shows us how much of a commitment the UN has towards “human-rights”.

likwidshoe on February 22, 2008 at 05:55 pm

Likwid, I asked you for specifics and you replied with vagaries and ask me for specifics:

Can you show us instances of the UN “maintaining or restoring peace”? Can you show us instances of the UN “fortifying human-rights efforts”? Them putting nations such as Cuba, Libya and Syria at the head of their efforts really shows us how much of a commitment the UN has towards “human-rights”.


Below is something I said before.
It represents a a sample of what the UN has accomplished, saving millions of lives every year. Imagine how many millions of lives we could have saved if the billions of dollars thrown thoughtlessly into Iraq could have been applied to the children in Africa and elsewhere dying every year of disease and starvation. I congratulate Bush on his recent (Feb 2008) pledge to increase U.S. aid for HIV and malaria in Africa. Americans who feel the UN can be replaced should think twice, and consider how in God’s name can any one nation or organization, certainly not the United States, replace it. Sure the UN needs reform, and hopefully with its new head a number of its agencies will be reformed. But to say the entire UN must be replaced or gotten rid of is ridiculous. Here’s what it has achieved:

Establishing Peace & Promoting Democracy


• Ending Conflicts. The U.N. has negotiated 172 peaceful settlements, helping bring about an end to the Iran-Iraq war, the civil war in El Salvador, and withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan.
• Peacekeeping. In El Salvador, Cambodia, Macedonia, Mozambique, Namibia, Cyprus and Haiti, to name a few, U.N. peace operations have helped uphold ceasefires, conduct free and fair elections, monitor troops withdrawals, deter violence, create free countries, and aid political stability.
• Preventing Nuclear Proliferation. The International Atomic Energy Agency has helped minimize the spread of nuclear weapons by inspecting and monitoring nuclear reactors and facilities in 90 countries. The U.N. has also advanced arms control through international agreements such as the Chemical Weapons Convention and the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

Eradicating Disease & Famine


• Ending Smallpox & Polio. A 13-year effort by World Health Organization (WHO) succeeded in eradicating smallpox in 1980. WHO also helped wipe out polio from the Western Hemisphere.
• Universal Immunizations. In 1974, only five percent of children in developing countries were immunized against polio, tetanus, measles, whooping cough, diphtheria and tuberculosis. By 1995, as a result of the efforts of United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF) and the WHO, there was an 80% immunization rate, saving the lives of over 3,000,000 children each year.
• Alleviating Chronic Hunger and Rural Poverty. The U.N. has provided famine relief to millions of people. The International Fund for Agricultural Development had developed a system of providing economic credit for poor and marginalized groups, benefiting over 230 million people in nearly 100 developing countries and building longer-term hunger relief.

Protecting People & Resources


• Helping Refugees. In 1997, 22 million refugees, mostly women and children, receive food, shelter, medical aid, education and repatriation assistance from the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees.
• Environment. Through international treaties, the U.N. leads efforts to protect the ozone layer and curb global warming. Forestry action plans help limit deforestation and promote sustainable forestry practices for 90 countries. The U.N. has helped provide safe drinking water for 1.3 billion people in rural areas, and has on-going efforts to help prevent over-fishing and clean up pollution.
• Improving Female Literacy. U.N. programs to help promote education and advancement for women helped raise their literacy rate in developing countries from 36% in 1970 to 56% in 1990.

These are just a few of its accomplishments. For a fuller picture, see:
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/dpko/bnote.htm

As regards your remarks about Cuba, Libya and Syria, there is no reason for them not to be involved in UN deliberations, committees and voting. Hopefully, Obama, Hillary, McCain or Huckabee, whoever is our next president, will open negotiations and consultations with such countries, including Iran, which we have so tactlessly ostracized.

Oswaldo on February 23, 2008 at 12:11 am

Imagine how many millions of lives we could have saved if the billions of dollars thrown thoughtlessly into Iraq could have been applied to the children in Africa and elsewhere dying every year of disease and starvation.

What can I say, that says it all.

likwidshoe on February 23, 2008 at 12:41 am

While the Off-topic continues to stray…

Report: Hundreds of WMDs Found in Iraq

Santorum pointed out that during Wednesday’s debate, several Senate Democrats said that no weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq, a claim, he said, that the declassified document proves is untrue.

This is an incredibly — in my mind — significant finding. The idea that, as my colleagues have repeatedly said in this debate on the other side of the aisle, that there are no weapons of mass destruction, is in fact false,” he said.


...for great justice

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Move_Zig on February 23, 2008 at 01:54 am

And speaking of the (in)effectiveness of UN Weapons Inspectors and that pesky 500 tons of Nuclear Yellowcake found in post-invasion Iraq..

About that 500 tons of yellow cake...

The actions, or more appropriately, the inactions of the IAEA regarding Iraq since the end of Gulf War I, betray the agency’s true agenda. Rather than inspect, report, and implement restrictions in accordance with the provisions in the treaty, the agency has in effect become an enabler of rogue nations who are attempting, or who have already succeeded in developing or acquiring special nuclear material and equipment. In other words, the IAEA is simply a reflection of its parent organization, which routinely delays and obfuscates the efforts of the US and the UK in controlling banned substances and delivery systems.

and..

Again, intelligence agencies had known for years prior to Joe Wilson’s little trip that there was this little illicit trade operation in Niger, floating YC Uranium to rogue states like Libya, Iran, North Korea, China and yes, Iraq. We also know that Saddam was attempting to reconsitute his nuclear program - if only he could get some sanctions lifted, a few neocons off his back. All this blows the doors of the Democrat /Anti War left’s argument of “No WMD”. There was WMD. I could go on and post the proof, but Norman Podhoretz did the work and did it beautifully.

And so long as we are hunting for liars in this area, let me suggest that we begin with the Democrats now proclaiming that they were duped, and that we then broaden out to all those who in their desperation to delegitimize the larger policy being tested in Iraq—the policy of making the Middle East safe for America by making it safe for democracy—have consistently used distortion, misrepresentation, and selective perception to vilify as immoral a bold and noble enterprise and to brand as an ignominious defeat what is proving itself more and more every day to be a victory of American arms and a vindication of American ideals.


...for great justice

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Move_Zig on February 23, 2008 at 02:21 am
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Move:

You and Rick “Man on Dog” Santorum live in a fantasy world where we found WMDs and have won the hearts and minds of the Iranian people. And I see you’ve managed to find a few wingnuts who live there with you.

The idea that we found WMDs has been so completely and utterly debunked that I’m not going to bother. If you want to believe Rick “Man on Dog” Santorum, you go right ahead. Your mind is obviously closed on the matter.

Jack on February 23, 2008 at 08:02 am

Rick “Man on Dog” Santorum

Why do you say that?

likwidshoe on February 23, 2008 at 08:09 am
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Google the phrase “Rick “Man on Dog” Santorum”

Jack on February 23, 2008 at 08:19 am
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