Police Report From Controversial Wahpeton Arrest Made Public

Earlier today I posted about the Wahpeton Police Department having taken disciplinary action against Officer Dustin Hill who arrested teenager Robert Wanek after Wanek filmed the officer.

Now the police reports from the incident have been made public (they’re embedded below) and I have to say that reading through them, the arrogance displayed by the arresting officers is nothing short of infuriating.

Chief of Police Thornsteinson said in his statement on the incident (available here) that the arrest of Wanek was made “in good faith” and “without malice.” This is clearly not the case. The video does not at all match Officer Hill’s characterization of the incident, and it’s clear even from the blunt prose of the police reports that this kid was subjected to no small amount of intimidation.

I maintain that Office Hill should have been fired, and after reading this report I’d add that his supervisor ought to be suspended at the least.

There should be zero tolerance for this sort of behavior by law enforcement officers.

I hope that Wanek and his family pursue this matter further, because a slap on the wrist for Office Hill and no punishment at all for his supervisor who lectured Wanek for what he seems to think was provocation of Officer Hill, is unacceptable.

Keep in mind that if Wanek hadn’t happened to video tape this incident the word of the cops would have outweighed his, and this incident would have been overlooked instead of rightfully punished (even if said punishment is inadequate).

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Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

     So the cop was hitting on a chick and this guy started filming it?  

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      I don’t know if he was hitting on the woman, but all the kid did was stand a short distance away with his camera and speak politely to the officer and he was arrested because the officer felt “threatened.”

      Ridiculous.

      The guy ought not have a badge.

  • Game

    I am always an advocate for responsible use of taxpayer money, and anybody who as ever ran a business knows, it is always less expensive to re-train an employee than fire them and have to re-hire and re-train. 

    So perhaps we can give the Chief a little credit for being a professional and hopefully he will be able to re-train this Officer for his unacceptable behavior.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      What’s even more expensive than re-training an employee is a lawsuit, which Wanek could rightfully file.

      And hopefully he will.

      • Game

        And he will the lawsuit with our without the officer losing his job.

        • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

          And keeping the officer puts you at risk of more lawsuits.

          Maybe his behavior could be corrected.  It’s a judgment call, but where it up to me I’d cut the risk and fire the guy. 

          • headward

             Any other arrests he makes this can be brought up about this tatics.  Defense lawyers eat this stuff up.

        • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com Goon

          Don’t cops have insurance against Lawsuits?  

    • awfulorv

      There are dozens of prospective policemen just waiting to get into police work who’ve already passed the exam. Get the guy out of there, he doesn’t deserve his position, and he’ll do something worse in the future.

  • ec99

    The cop f’ed up royally because he believed his badge, gun, and uniform put him above the law.  That mindset will not be corrected by what is essentially sensitivity training.  He’s a lost cause. 

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      I agree, which is why he shouldn’t be employed in law enforcement any more. 

      • ec99

        It seems the chief of police at least recognizes the problem.  Contrast that with Thompson, ND where John the Cop set up main street as a speed trap.  At first, money flowed in.  Then, people quit driving through, which meant no money for local businesses.  I met him once and he had the same imperial attitude. 

  • Jamermorrow

    Cops should be held to a super strict standard. Plenty of other people applying for police positions in today’s economy. One chance and you should be out. Police should not be above the law.

  • Izzy765

    The Chief may have given Hill a “slap on the wrist” because he knows Hill will be getting much more in civil court.  Any attorney with half a brain will have a great day with Hill on the stand, the video on a monitor and that report in hand. 

    That report was an amazing example of creative writing.  I can’t believe Hill submitted that report knowing that his actions were recorded.

  • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

    There should be zero tolerance for this sort of behavior by law enforcement officers.

    Unless the arrested citizen is black, then of course Rob thinks the police would have acted within the law.

    • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

       Nothing but more race baiting from the Race baiter tot.

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        Same goes for you.  You guys couldn’t support the police enough when they arrested a black professor, in his own home, after being harassed by the police.

        In this case however, we have a punk kid, trying to pretend he’s some sort of reporter.  This guy exploited the situation for what he hopes to be his personal gain. 

        Now, I agree the policeman over reacted, but he is getting what is deserved.  The fact that Rob asks for his resignation or for this officer to lose his job is absurd, considering Rob’s previous position in the Gates case.

        • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

           Epic Fail, Twaddlemonger. I never criticized anyone because of race in that case. I criticized the President, who, without knowing all the facts, and admitting that he didn’t know all the facts, said that the police “acted stupidly”.  You made it a discussion about race. As always.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            That’s an interesting admission considering you didn’t criticize Rob for saying the police acted wrongly, before knowing all the facts.

            Eh?

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            But i know all the facts. We have video of the incident, police reports and the report from the chief on his investigation into the matter.

            And if you go back and read my original post on the matter, I even put in a caveat after posting the video that there could be something more we’re not seeing yet.

            So you’re, well, wrong. Lying, more accurately, because you know you’re wrong but you say it anyway.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            When you first posted about the story on May 9th, you didn’t have the police report or all of the facts:

            http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/teenager-arrested-in-north-dakota-for-filming-cop/

            … but you claimed that the police acted wrongly, without knowing all the facts, anyway.  Simply saying that there might be more evidence out there doesn’t give you an out to go ahead claim the policeman acted wrongly.

            You are the one who is lying.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

             I didn’t criticize you for losing your virginity to a Cocker spaniel, either, Hanni. That doesn’t mean I endorse bestiality.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            It’s just another example of you having one set of standards for white people and another for blacks.

            Either you have principles or you don’t. Clearly we can see that you are a race-baiter.  So the question is, why the double standards for whites vs. blacks? I think the answer and PROOF is here:

            http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/henry_gates_as_always_whitey_sits_in_judgment_of_me/

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Just another pointless link from the race baiter with more projection than a multiplex.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            It’s not “a pointless link”, it’s a link that show you clearly race-baiting.  You tried to take something that happened to Gates when he was younger and make it a black vs. white issue, today.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

             “Race baiting” like every other English word, is something you clearly do not understand. Perhaps, because it’s written in English? When I do a post about border security and you bring up race, that’s race baiting. When I do a post about a black man who complains that “whitey now sits in judgment of me”, that is a story about race. I did not interject race into it. Race was the subject.You really are a clueless moron, Trannitized.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Race baiting is the use of racially derisive language, actions or other
            forms of communication, to anger, intimidate or incite a person or groups of people,
            or to make those persons behave in ways that are
            inimical, and often harmful to their personal or group interests.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_baiting

            When you used the racially derisive word “Whitey” to anger whites against blacks, you were race baiting. 

            You took an incident that happened long ago to conflate the issue of the day, which was that a Harvard professor was being mishandled by the police after making a mistake.

            When I do a post about a black man who complains that “whitey now sits in judgment of me”, that is a story about race. I did not interject race into it.

            When you do a story about a black man “playing the victim” using racially derisive language against whites you ARE race baiting, by definition.

            Your attempt is to get whites more angry about Gates for something he said long ago, having nothing to do with the police abuse he suffered by the cop arresting him at his own home.

            When you try purposefully to anger whites by making a black victim out to be a racist, you are race baiting.

            It’s what you do.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            When you used the racially derisive word “Whitey”

            Only I didn’t use the word, Henry Gates did. I merely quoted him.  Epic Fail, Twaddlemonger.

            Just because I quote rbb when he uses the word “chinky” to refer to those of Asian descent, doesn’t mean I endorse the use of the word. But, since you defended him for using it, maybe you do?

            When you said that ““when i (sic) used the word darkies, i mean people with dark skin”, is that the sort of “racially derisive language” you’re referring to Wankertized?

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            ” You tried to take something that happened to Gates when he was younger” I took a contemporary story and commented on it. Your complaint may be with WTOP, where I sourced the story, Poi Boy, not me.

            Epic Fail, Lying-through-fecal-stained-teethitized.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You brought up an older issue of abuse Gates suffered and tried to race bait with it by using racially derisive language to gin up hatred from whites against blacks, or at least these two black people, Gates and Obama.

            It’s what you do, Poofy.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

             So, when I criticize Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney, I do it because they’re white? I know you have tried to play the victim card by calling yourself a “Brown man” (seems you are neither), and you criticize Rob and me and Sarah Palin and George W. Bush all because we’re white.

            It’s what you do, Wee Willie Wankertized. Say hello to Daisy and the pups for me!

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

             Show me a single story I have posted using racially derisive language in order to get black people hostile towards whites, like you do for whites against blacks.  You won’t find a single instance, you on the other hand have examples.

            You are a race baiter.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

             As is noted below, Wee Willie Wankertized, you have neither an original thought or idea inside the vast, empty canyons of his head or  the balls to back up any story on a reader blog you are too cowardly to start. On the other hand, you have posted literally thousands of comments on this blog, many of them racist, stupid and misogynistic comments, at least ten thousand of which you were too cowardly to claim when Rob switched commenting systems.

            Your examples of race baiting are myriad, young Twaddlemonger. And your projection of your race baiting onto others is classic Wankertized.

            You may now return to your irrelevance, young Wanker.

          • A Citizen

             I’m still wondering why hanni the turd calls Limbaugh a racist for playing a song that he didn’t write, “The Magic Negro” but doesn’t feel that Ehrenstein, the black guy who originated “The Magic Negro” phrase, and published it in print isn’t.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            I never called Limbaugh a racist for playing the song. I called him a racist for a myriad of disparaging remarks he has made about blacks, in general.  Playing the song is merely another example of behavior one would see with a racist.

            Ehrenstein never played the song, the song was derogatory and stereotypes blacks in the worst possible light.

            And you are a piece of filth for endorsing that song.

          • A Citizen

             ” Hannitized, Proofs obsession 1 week ago in reply to A Citizen
            Ehrenstein didn’t write a song or play it on the radio, that was all the other magic racists”

            Who else played it on the radio, who were you referring to?
            You’re right, Ehrenstein never played it on the radio, he just published it in the L.A.Times in print. Show me where I endorsed the song, shit eater.You can’t because you’re a liar…family genetics, you just can’t get away from them you, cockgobbler.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Like I said; I didn’t call Rush a racist for playing the song on the radio.  What you posted does not say that.  I do believe Rush is a racist and he did play the song on the radio, two separate issues, you twit.

          • A Citizen

             No, you didn’t call him a racist, except…
            Hannitized, Proofs obsession 0 minutes ago in reply to A Citizen
            ” I do believe Rush is a racist…”

            Too funny, even for you little skankfucker..

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            You did, in fact, say that Rush was racist for playing “The Magic Negro.”  And while you are on another lying roll, enlighten me with just a couple of Rush’s disparaging remarks about blacks.  Just a couple, not a myriad. You should be able to do this in seconds, no sweat.  You are a lying piece of filth.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Please provide one quote where I said Rush was racist “because he played the ‘Magic Negro” song.  

            You are a lying douche bag, who never engages in debate.  Why should anyone take you seriously?

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

             You must understand that, much like the fabled “elephants’ graveyard”, the vast, empty canyons of Hanni’s head are where thoughts go to die.

            The closest thing Hanni has to “principles” is unbridled, hyper-partisanship. That’s why he defends rbb who actually wrote the word “chinky” in a headline, but he attacks me for quoting Henry Gates saying “whitey” in a headline. Speaking as a white guy, I personally find the term “whitey” less offensive than “chinky”.

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            Poor dying thoughts, dying in a vast pit of putrescence.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

             No one said it was pretty!

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

             So I have made no post using racially derisive language in a title, as you have, that fosters hatred towards black people, making whites the victim.  It’s a slimy thing to do, particularly when it was the black guy who suffered an injustice from the policeman.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            So I have made no post using racially derisive language in a title…

             I think even a kindergartener, such as you aspire to be one day, Wee Willie Wankertized, can recognize the “making NO posts” means you made no titles or no headlines. One could also truthfully say, according to what passes for logic inside the vast, empty canyons of your head, that you have made no posts or headlines defending liberty, defending freedom, defending the United States, defending the rights of women, defending minorities, or defending freedom of speech, either.

            You have also made no posts or headlines denying that you were a pedophile, a misogynist, a racist, a coward, a Puddin’head, an animal abuser, or one who hates the military.  So what?

            You may now return to your irrelevance, Puddin’headitized.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

              “using racially derisive language to gin up hatred”  Like “chinky”?  Or “darkie”?  No wait! That was you and rbb!

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Please provide yet one example of a story I have posted as you have, where i use racially derisive language in a headline.

          • Bat One

            Nice try… but no cigar, kid!  You can’t even manage a Reader’s Blog, never mind the Front Page, so of course stories with a headline are completely out of the question, aren’t they?  Your comment is nothing more than another dose of self-serving delusion! 

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Calling people like you out for your racist remarks is much different than race baiting, something Poofy has done on numerous occasions, one example being the one I linked to.

            I know it spoils your argument that I am not actually a piece of filth like Poofy and Rob, who purposefully post comments that lay blame on black people, falsely for economic problems that are shared among all Americans, such as his comments on environmental justice and how only “ethnic minorities” complain about being exposed to toxic waste. 

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

             Wee Willie Weaseltized, Queen of the slippery evasions, says”

            Please provide yet one example of a story I have posted as you have, where i (sic) use racially derisive language in a headline.

            Several years ago, when we thought Wee Willie was just an ignorant and loutish noob, he was invited on several occasions to start his own Reader Blog here. That was before he showed himself to be a hyper-partisan, lying, worthless, POS, libeling race baiter.

            And, as it has been noted many times since then, Wee Willie lacks the two requisites for posting a reader blog:
            a) an original thought or idea inside the vast, empty canyons of his head and
            b) the balls to back up what he says.

            Wee Willie the Weasel: Do you deny using the word “darkie” to denote people with dark skin? As in

            “when i (sic) used the word darkies, i mean people with dark skin”

            The fact that you did not use it in a “headline” is irrelevant, just like you, Weaseltized. Or are you trying to reassert that the term “darkie” is not ” racially derisive”? Please, for an experiment, go to a predominantly black portion of any major city and shout out something like, “How are all you darkies doing today?” And see how many people agree with you!

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            So when you use words you don’t understand, such as “race baiting”, you should look to your own actions before throwing stones out of your glass house, Proofoundly_stupid.

            Race baiting is when people create a post, comment on the radio or TV ad using racially derisive language in order to anger another group of people.  You did this on the link I provided. 

            You clearly can not distinguish the difference between calling someone out on their racism in the comment section vs. a post designed to make an argument to a large group of people, such as you have done, where you incite anger towards a group of people.  In this case it was what you always do, trying to disparage blacks in a way that is demeaning, even as you praise white people for doing the same thing or something worse than what you claim has offended you in the first place.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

             I always get a laugh out of you calling anyone else stupid, MindNumbinglyStupidtized! Not only do you project your race baiting, but you project your stupidity as well.  Your definition of “race baiting” is both laughably inadequate and inaccurate. (Much like you, Wankertized. )

            One may discuss race (well, adults and sane people may!) without “race baiting”.  Whereas you are constantly injecting race into discussions that have nothing to do with race, and as such are a classic race baitier. (A MasterRaceBaiter!) Thanks for demonstrating once again how totally clueless you are, CluelessTrollitized.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Please provide a definition that shows race baiting is calling people out for their racism. 

            Instead, what the definition reveals is that your actions are that of true race baiting.  It bothers you, so you hide from it.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

             Hanni reaches new depths of cluelessness here!

            Please provide a definition that shows race baiting is calling people out for their racism.

            So, are you saying that when I call Henry Gates out on his racism, it is not by your “definition”  race baiting?

            But when you inject race, by “calling people out” for their alleged racism in threads that have nothing to do with race, that’s not race baiting either in what passes for your mind, Wankertized?

            You really are confused, Clueless Wanker. Seek professional psychiatric help.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            I’m saying that according to the definition of “race baiting”, you race baited when you used racially derisive words in a blog title, or by radio or television ad to build up anger against black people when you falsely accused a black person of racism for getting abused by police or abused in general.  Yes.

            If you simply called me a racist, that’s not race baiting, that’s just you being stupid.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

             

            If you simply called me a racist, that’s not race baiting, that’s just you being stupid accurate.  -Hanni 

            There! Fixed it for you!

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Is “older” yet another English word that you are totally unfamiliar with, Wanker? Maybe when you hit grade school, you’ll understand better. I was commenting on a contemporary story in the news. (Have an adult look it up for you!)  I did not “bring it up”. Someone else did. I merely commented on it.

            You really are mind numbingly stupid aren’t you Wankertized? Your ignorance is impenetrable.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            So because another blogger race baited by bringing up an much older story, that makes it ok for you to race bait using that same old story?

            Hilarious.

            Poofy, according to your definition of race baiting, would this be race baiting?

            “WRONG! It was a gift from Professor Gates and Barack Obama. And if both of them had simply kept their mouths shut, we’d be talking about something other than black racism, and the fact that according to the liberal credo, whites are supposed to feel guilty.” – BatOne

            I guess in Bat’s mind, if those two blacks would just keep their mouths shut about Police abuse, nobody would be talking about black racism, eh?

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

             

            So because another blogger race baited by bringing up an much older story…

            You really do get all your exercise jumping to conclusions, don’t you, Wee Willie?
            A link in the post you yourself linked to, but probably never bothered to read, shows that my source was a radio station*, not a “blogger”. Here in the real world, we call those “news stories”.

            *radio station: Someplace you’ve never worked for a living, Hanni.  You envy me for that, too, don’t you, pathetic Wannabeeititized?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You both race baited, and that’s supposed to be your way of arguing against what you both had done?  You are dumber than a box full of dumb people.

            You were never on the radio.  I was.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

             

            You were never on the radio.  I was.

            Still inordinately proud of your one night a week, unpaid, sidekick gig, eh, Wankerwannabee? I was gainfully employed by the radio station I was on, and that just really galls you, doesn’t it, Immaturitized? Sometime I’ll dig out my FCC Third Phone with Broadcast Endorsement and show it to you. (With some information blacked out. I don’t like to give out too much personal information to stalkers like you, Hanni.)

            Spin it any way you want, you are still defending rbb for using a racially divisive term in his headline while you attack me for merely quoting one of your fellow liberals.

            You illustrate your hypocrisy far better than I ever could.

        • taxpayer

          In the “professor case”, I believe a neighbor called the police because she saw someone breaking into the home and thought it was a burglary.  Quite different circumstances.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            It’s not different once the police asked for his identification that showed he lived there, and they kept harassing him asking more police to show up on the scene.

            According to Rob, Americans have the right to beat down a policeman for making an unlawful entry, and you are OK with that but not confront a policeman with loud talking???  Huh?

        • KIMSTER

           Gates was arrested for disorderly conduct because after repeated warnings from the cop,  he wouldn’t shut his big LOUD mouth.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            He was too “uppity” for the policemen, eh?  He should show more respect for police doing their job, right?  Like this kid, who was arrested for pretending to be doing an “investigation” on warrant-less seizures?

            Give me a break!

          • KIMSTER

             After the cop was satisfied with he was, the prof kept running his loud mouth and was arrested for disorderly conduct. I tend to agree with you that you need a break, you really are handicapped.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      What basis do you have for that comment?

      To be honest, the kid on question is a bit of a liberal. I don’t agree with his politics at all, but I still oppose what the police did to him. And I’d feel the same way if his skin were a different color too.

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

         Yeah, he’s totally “liberal”, Rob.  I can tell by the shirt he wears picturing Obama as a Fraud.

    • sanity

       Racer, injecting color where there is none in the story.

      • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

         The irony, of course being that most “racers” are none too swift!

  • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

    Rob Port on police harassing a black professor: Gates –

    “Good for him!  The charges should never have been dropped. A court should have decided who was right and wrong in the issue, not some politically sensitive district attorney who was most likely acting in the interest of his own career.

    Like the way Obama rushed to judgement with the Gates issue without knowing all the facts? Get used to it.”

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      Gates behavior and the behavior of the kid in this incident were not at all similar.

      • Guest

        You’re right.  The kid could get shot for pointing a black and silver thing at a cop. 

        • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

          Yep.  Not to mention the kid had no logical reason to film the policeman as it related to the kids “investigation”.

          • sanity

            He doesnt NEED a logical reason to film  – IT ISNT AGAINST THE LAW.

            It doesn’t state you can only film if you have a reason, that is a stupid remark. 

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Wake up and have some coffee sanity.  I said he had no “logical” reason to film the policeman in relation to the “investigation” he was doing.  I was not arguing the legality of it. 

            The kid was harassing a cop by trying to intimidate him with threats of investigation.  The cop over reacted to the child’s over inflated sense of importance and threat.

            I have personally seen cops do this to kids in an effort to get them to respect the police.  This kid doesn’t respect the police, he’s smoking too much pot and hallucinating that he is somebody important enough to actually do an investigation on police.  He was looking for a chance to get arrested for harassing police and he got what he wanted.

          • sanity

            Had my cup – have yours…..

            Doesn’t matter if he was investigating or not – the cop was wrong plain and simple. It is not against the law to tape a cop – end of story.

            Where was the harassment of the cop…pointing a video camera at him? The Cop approached the person filming him, not the other way around – the cop instituted contact and got pissed and arrested the kid for taping him. He was arrested and interrogated for “pissing off” this certain cop, and released with no charges.

            If the kid was harassing he would be charged with interference – the cops were completely wrong in this. It is fine if you want to try and scare a kid into respecting the Law, but false arrest is a crime, not a scare tactic.

            I don’t care if the kid smokes cat litter – filming a cop is not illegal – the cop was in the wrong, plain and simple, which is why he was suspended.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            The cop was wrong, but so was the kid.  If the parents were any sort of parents at all they would tell their children not to go out and deliberately harass a cop.

            The kid was not doing any real work uncovering anything about “unwarranted raids” by filming this police officer.  He was simply looking for his 15 minutes, and he got it.

            You keep making this about what is lawful and I am talking about what is logical and rational. Kids shouldn’t go around pretending to be doing investigations on policemen and video taping them for no reason. This kid was just pushing the bounds of the law for the sake of media attention.

          • sanity

            How was the kid wrong?
            He didn’t break any law.

            I don’t care if the kid stated he was filming the mating of the crocodiles on the Nile when taping this officer, if doesn’t matter his “reasoning” it is plain and simple NOT AGAINST THE LAW.

            You seem to be operating on the assumption that it is only legal if the kid is actually really working on some project or another – that isn’t how the law works. If i decide to whip out my camera for no reason at all and record an officer it is completely legal, I do not need a reason for it.

            You state your trying to make this about logical and rational, but it is illogical for you to discount what the kid did was completely legal and the cop was out of line. You do not need a reason why he was taping this cop, the kid was operating within the confines of the law, and as long as he operates within those constraints of the law, then it doesn’t matter if the kid was being logical or rational – he was obeying the law and the cop did not, arresting someone for doing something within the law, and then lying about his actions – and his actions got him suspended.

            There was no pushing the bounds of the law – the kid was protected by his rights to do this, for whatever he felt he wanted to tape this cop, it does not matter his reasoning, if he isn’t breaking the law, he should never been arrested.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            OK, now you are debating.  Finally.

            Is it against the law to yell “fire” in a theater?  No, it is not.  Would you encourage your child to do it so he can video tape the results of his actions?

            I think this kid walked a very fine line between what is legal and harassment.  The kid was not accomplishing anything by telling the policeman he was doing an “investigation” on unwarranted raids”, period.  All he was doing was harassing a cop under the protection of the law.

            If the cop wanted to file harassment charges, he could and the kid would have to keep his distance. 

            The cop may have acted improperly in accordance to the law, but the kid got was he was looking for.   The kid was trying to instigate that type of response for notoriety.

          • sanity

            Nothing finally about it – I always debate, or put out an honest opinion on what I see or understand.

            Now you are changing your statement to say the kid walked a fine line – before you stated the cop was wrong but so was the kid. The kid wasn’t in the wrong…you keep backpedaling. Just admit that the kid did not break the law – what he did was within the confines of the law and the cop over reacted and screwed up. You may not like it so black and white but it is pretty simple. If the kid was in the wrong in any way, he would have been charged – but pissing off the cop is not a chargeable offense. Last I heard no one has been placed under arrest and booked under pissing off deputy so and so.

            He wasn’t harassing the cop – he was taping the cop – the cop instituted contact, not the other way around.

            No, because it seems this is a single incident and does not come to warrant harassment. I would love to see the judge that signs off on a poor cop being harassed by a blogger….the cop would be laughed out of the court. Taping a cop from a distance that does not interfere with his sworn duty does not constitute harassment, which is what this kid did, the cop initiated contact, got pissed and decided to wrongfully arrest this kid.

            The cop was wrong, wrongfully arresting this kid. Your argument is like saying a woman walking down the street dressed like a slut and gets raped was just asking for it. The act is illegal – as long as the other person is operating within the law, NO ACTION should be taken against them. The cops had no leg to stand on and even the prosecutor knew there was no chance of this sticking – no charges because the kid acted within the law and the cop was suspended for wrongfully arresting the kid.

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        Your right, the professor was not walking along the street with a camera trying to provoke an incident with a cop by filming him and making suggestive claims that the cop was under some type of investigation.  Gates did not pick up a camera and pretend it was relevant to film an officer who was performing his duty.

        Granted, the policeman over reacted.  It’s a common thing for Police to scare kids who they think are being disrespectful to police. 

        I think it’s very obvious that you have double standards here Rob.  The obvious reason is because a lot of conservatives (Proof and Bat as an example) have much more contempt for blacks and ethnic minorities, so they are “disgusted” by their “behavior”, regardless if it was perfectly understandable or similar to those the white people exhibited. 

        I’m just curious why the consistent outrage over white people getting hassled, vs black?  Why are you always supportive of police abuse, as long as it’s against a black person?

        • sanity

           

          Granted, the policeman over reacted. 

          NO what the cop did was arrest someone illegally for something completely legal. The cop did not know the laws he is supposed to enforce well enough, got irritated and wrongfully arrested someone doing something completely legal.

  • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

    Hannitized: What in your mind, Pilgrim, gives the policeman the right to arrest the man who had proved he was in his own home?

    Pilgrim: Let’s presume for a moment that Gates had proven who he was and that
    he lived (although even those facts are in dispute), to follow the
    officer from the home and berate him, shouting insults and accusing the
    officer of being racist, could very well amount to interferance or the
    equal local charge.

    Was this officer foolish enough to not know that the man yellling at him was high profile? No.

    I told many a doctor, lawyer, and politician that handcuffs are a funny thing – one size fits all, no matter who you are
    so slow down there, lightnin’ before you make me prove it. Sometimes
    they did – and sometimes, much to their chagrin, they didn’t.

    Gates didn’t believe it. He played the do-you-know-who-I-am card. And
    the officer proved that one size fits all, doctors, lawyers, and Indian
    chiefs – and loudmouthed Harvard professors.

  • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

    Wing Chung Geologist: “Let me pose this question. If you were being hassled by the police unfairly, would you start yelling and prolong the time you were in contact with the officers?

    From what I’ve read, Professor Gates behaved stupidly at best. At worst, he may have been trying to provoke some kind of incident that his supporters could turn into a racial controversy.”

    • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com Goon

      Handjob my favorite moron, don’t you have better things to do split hairs with a bunch of conservatives? We get it, you’re a Obumble Jock Sniffer and Nobama can do no wrong…  

      • Guest

        I thought this was about the local cops and Rob’s inconsistent position on who should be harassed by cops.

        What’s it to do with Obama again?

      • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

        “Obumble Jock Sniffer” is so perfect.  Pizza boy should use it: “jocksniffer, obama’s obsession”.

  • Bat One

     Well, well… look who’s STILL trying to appear relevant by throwing charges of racism at the adults.

    • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

       He still thinks “camp” is short for “campaign”, too.

      • Guest

        Oh, zing. 

        • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

           Sparkkkie! What a pleasant surprise! I thought you were still comatose (judging from the quality of your comments here)!

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

         Here you are, Poofy, playing the race card: Making this a racial issue, when there was no need, by going back in history to pit blacks against whites.

        http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/henry_gates_as_always_whitey_sits_in_judgment_of_me/

        • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

           Which part didn’t you understand clueless dolt? The part where I was quoting someone else, or the part where I said: “to jump to the conclusion that the cop was being motivated by race is entirely unfair.”

          You really are a clueless moron, Twaddlemonger. Gates played the race card, not me. If you only weren’t such a friggin’ moron, you might have noticed, Twaddlemonger.

          BTW, do Daisy’s pups still send you cards on Father’s Day?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Poofy, why were you making a post using the word “whitey” when Gates hadn’t made an issue of the police abuse he suffered from in that older account that you dragged into the discussion?

            You brought up something that happened to him as a youth to continue to create hostile relations between blacks and whites.

            You were playing the race card by pretending Gates was continuing to make it about race, when he was not.

            This also highlights your double standards for whites and blacks, yet again.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            why were you making a post using the word “whitey”

            Because you ignorant, lying, POS, moron, scumsucker, that was the word that Henry Gates used. I was merely quoting him correctly.

            You really are a weapons grade idiot, aren’t you Wee Willie? If you want to get your faux indignation all in a dither, why did you defend rbb when he used the word “chinky” in a head he wrote, but you want to jump on my case for merely quoting Henry Gates correctly? Does the word “hypocrisy” mean anything to you, Clueless Trollitized?  Probably not. It’s written in English.

            BTW, Tranni, feel free to post links to any of the posts I’ve ever put up on the Internet. I stand behind every one of them, even the ones you don’t understand. (which appears to be most of them!)

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

             You used the word “Whitey” in your post title when you were “quoting” Gates and race baiting on something he had said years and years before, on a separate abuse he suffered.

            This doesn’t mean you didn’t use the word “Whitey”, it just means you didn’t say it.

            You also race baited when in your post you tried to attack Rbb for mocking Conservatives who wanted Chinese people to change their names to American names so they could be pronounced easier.  You are always trying to get people upset by using racially insensitive words to build anger from one group against another.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            So, in your infantile, juvenile, emotionally and intellectually deprived world, one cannot discuss race if one of the race baiters and racists (like yourself, Wankertized) uses a less than gentile word?
            Oh, my!

            Witless rbb quoted no conservative when he placed the word “chinky” in his headline. His was at best a “mind read fail”, at worse, projection like your own.  And when you called people with dark skin “darkies” , Trannitized, exactly what were you trying to convey in your witless, mind numbingly stupid and offensive way?

            Go toddle off and crap your nappies somewhere else, please, Twaddlemonger.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

             In reality when you pull up an older issue to further escalate hate between blacks and whites, that’s race baiting.  Had you simply discussed the issue of the time, that might be different.

            Rbb was discussing a current issue where a conservative was asking Chinese people to change their names, so she didn’t have to bother trying to pronounce them properly.  His use of the word was used in a comical manner that was suggesting a bigoted attitude towards people your kind often deride, for any and all reasons……….including their names. :^/

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            It’s not “race baiting” to hold people like you and rbb and Henry Gates accountable for the racist things they say. It is race baiting to interject race into discussions about border security, desecration of the flag or any number of topics that are not about race until the hairy palmed and dim witted Oaf from Oahu brings it up.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Again, you need to look up the word “race baiting”, because it describes what you did.  Race baiting is not simply calling someone a racist for acting out racist double standards.

            Race baiting is the use of racially derisive language, actions or other forms of communication, to anger, intimidate or incite a person or groups of people, or to make those persons behave in ways that are
            inimical, and often harmful to their personal or group interests.

          • robert108

            Race-baiting is exactly what you do, little hanni.  It’s making false accusations of racism to distract from your lack of factual/logical argument on every subject.  You come here to race-bait.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Calling someone out on their racist actions is not race-baiting.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

             I don’t need to look it up, Tranni. I’m sure that if I looked up the words “race baiting” it would have your picture next to it, Hanni.
            With you, denial is not just a river in Egypt!

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

             You do realize, Irony Impaired troll, that the only one exhibiting the double standard you keep bleating about, is the feckless, reckless, dweeb who has one standard for liberals who use racial derisive words and one for conservatives who quote liberals who use racial derisive words?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            When you used racially derisive language to incite a group of people, you were race baiting.  You used the word “whitey”, but that does not mean you “said” it.  With that said, you can not deny the fact that you used racially derisive language to incite a group of people….and we know that is race baiting.

            Sorry, but you are going to have to face that reality.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            There’s your double standard again, Dweebitized! rbb used racially derisive language that he himself wrote and you defended him. I merely quoted one of your fellow liberals and you attacked me.

            Epic Fail, Dweebitized

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You can’t seriously be THAT stupid.  But you are, sadly. 

            You accused Rbb of racism, while I accused you of race baiting. You used the a racially derisive word to incite a group of people..that’s a fact.

            I swear, you really struggle with the meaning of words.  This is about the 15th word in 3 days you have screwed up.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof
            “This is about the 15th word in 3 days you have screwed up.” 

            Too funny, Twaddlemonger! You usually screw up fifteen words in…fifteen words!  The day I start taking advice on English spelling, words, punctuation or grammar from you, Puddin’head, is the day I should be committed.

            “You used the a racially derisive word to incite a group of people..that’s a fact.”

              Look up the word “fact” and get back to us. I quoted a liberal. If you say his words incite people, please tell us who it incited. As I said, I don’t find the word “whitey” all that inflammatory. Certainly not as bad as calling someone of Asian descent “chinky”.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You can’t even understand the word “used”, and you expect people to believe you can communicate effectively?  You slime around the meaning of words on a daily basis to avoid the crap you step into. 
             
            I make a fool of you several times a day, as I am doing now.

            Did you not use the word “Whitey” in your headline, even as you were quoting someone?  Yes or no?

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

              “I make a fool of you several times a day, as I am doing now.”

            Hannitized still has more projection than a multiplex.

            Get back to us when you figure out what “quoting someone” means, Hanni.

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            Did hanni really do his dog? Are there pictures of hanni & the pups we could check for resemblances?  Do we need to?  Where did hanni & Daisy go for Mothers’ Day?  Brunch at the Pagoda?

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

             He hasn’t denied it, and I’ve given him multiple opportunities to do so.  But we must not judge him for his alternate life style. Just judge him on his mind numbing stupidity, dishonesty and hypocrisy.

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            But is hanni as faithful to Daisy as Daisy to him?  Is hanni still dating Miss Mylar?  How many Miss Mylars have been chewed up?  Inquiring minds want to know.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

             Hanni was never faithful to Daisy, exactly, but they were exclusive for a long time. Mostly because all of the human women Hanni knew didn’t date outside their species.

          • Spartacus

            There’s pictorial proof that he posted on here sometime back when SAB had another comment system. It prompted Rob to ask what he was doing to that poor dog on the beach! If you asked nicely Rob might be willing to drag it out of the archives.

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            If it is true love—and having hanni’s offspring seems to bear this out—then I feel that Daisy, at least, deserves discretion and privacy.  God knows that she will be bearing a terrible burden.

    • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

      Speaking of race cards, remember when you said this, BAT?

      Bat One:

      “The cons were DYING to use race. This Gates thing was a gift from their god.” – Dino

      WRONG! It was a gift from Professor Gates and Barack Obama. And if both of them had simply kept their mouths shut, we’d be talking about something other than black racism, and the fact that according to the liberal credo, whites are supposed to feel guilty.

    • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

      And here was my response after you played the race card:

      “But the media is not talking about black racism, because Gates showed none. They talking about racial profiling and that a white cop who abused his power on a black man.

      Racist? Who knows?

      Gates might be falsely claiming racial profiling, but who knows what the truth is on that? I’m willing to admit there was no racial profiling, but the black man was wronged by the white cop.

      That is a reality of the situation.

      People like Bat and Rob are just trying to flip the national debate. Hoping and clinging that hate will divide us.” – Hannitized

    • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

      Speaking of throwing around charges of racism.  Look what you said BAT:

      Bat One:
      “The cons were DYING to use race. This Gates thing was a gift from their god.” – Dino

      WRONG! It was a gift from Professor Gates and Barack Obama. And if both of them had simply kept their mouths shut, we’d be talking about something other than black racism, and the fact that according to the liberal credo, whites are supposed to feel guilty. – BatOne

      You were saying?

  • Zipity

    I love Spackle Assbuckle’s picture. He is huffing some bottled Obama farts again, as he is addicted to them….

  • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

    Carol Port:

    Again… all he had to do was say, “I live here officer, here’s my ID.” He was in control of the whole situation. But he chose to use the race card and create an unfortunate incident for the police officer who was doing his job. And again I say Gates owes the officer and the whole country an apology.

    Jesus!

  • awfulorv

     To You Liberal assholes on this site. Far, far, too many of you sick bastards for my liking, but it is a free country, unless you say something about an affirmative action push ahead, like Obama, that is. We go to a movie and don’t like it, we leave. Too weak coffee, we leave it. To many stairs, we don’t rent it. Car too expensive, we don’t buy it. Steak too tough, we don’t go there again. Hotel rates too high, we look around. Too ditzy, no more dates, unless great sex, of course. Airfare to France, England, South Africa, too costly, stay home. Airfare to Zimbabwe, Venezuela, Cuba, Russia, Muslim countries, too cheap, stay home and bitch about armed forces, conservatives, freedom, success, Constitution, which makes it all possible, on SAB. Tiz a puzzlement…

  • Bat One

    In all my years posting here at SAB I have never seen a more acute case of self-serving delusion than yours.  Nor has there ever been anyone more obsessed with race or more congenitally compelled to make each and every discussion, disagreement, or debate (as if you had any real idea what a debate actually consists of!) about race, and ultimately flinging charges of racism around like so much monkey feces.  You spend more time twisting and contorting each and every thread in a stupidly juvenile effort to claim that the conservative adult at the other end is some sort of insensitive, racist monster.  Apparently you see yourself as some sort rhetorical superhero, defending the poor and the downtrodden  (only if they are minorities, of course!) from the evil, White ubermensch.

    Sorry, kid.  There is no separate (and un-equal) Valhalla for people of color, and that’s no Mjölnir you be waving around… its an empty toilet paper roll! 

    • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

       Funny how one minute we’re discussing a white, liberal guy getting hassled by the police and the next minute we’re rehashing arguments about Henry Gates that Little Orphan Hanni lost two years ago.  Wonder if race baiting had anything to do with it?

    • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

      Maybe you aren’t looking hard enough, Bat?  Here, remember when you said this:

      Bat One:

      “The cons were DYING to use race. This Gates thing was a gift from their god.” – Dino

      “WRONG! It was a gift from Professor Gates and Barack Obama. And if both of them had simply kept their mouths shut, we’d be talking about something other than black racism, and the fact that according to the liberal credo, whites are supposed to feel guilty. – BatOne

      Why were you talking about black racism Bat?  There was none!

      • Bat One

        Leaving aside the patently dishonest way you have posted that exchange between me and Dino, what I said was true then, and still is.  Professor Gates provoked the cop, deliberately in my view, OBama made an issue of the incident for political purposes, in effect blowing it all out of proportion to make himself look good (heaven knows his economic “stimulus” hasn’t done anything but put the country further in debt!), and the liberal credo most certainly IS that Whites are supposed to feel guilty, presumably because not everyone else is White – a credo which you are determined to bray about at each and every opportunity like some tedious One Note Samba. 

        • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

          Bat, do you ever laugh at yourself when you read what you write?  Surely you must.  There is simply no way you could write that with a straight face.  Did you write it with a frown?  Which was it?

          Can you please tell me why Obama was racist for doing as Rob Port had; making conclusions before all the facts were known?  Is it different when a black man says the police acted stupidly so long as the person saying it is black?  Or, is it different when the person who was abused was white?  I am just trying to figure out why it’s racist when black people complain about police abuse.

          And what was dishonest about cutting and pasting your actual words?  You said it, not me.  There is nothing dishonest about my cut and paste that proves the fact that you call people racist for no reason.

          Here’s the difference between you and I.  I have principles, you don’t.  I think both guys were wrongfully arrested, but I happen to think both citizens were harassing a policeman.  One person had the moral right, the other did not.  Guess which citizen had a moral right to criticize the policeman and which one did not.

        • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

          …and of those two guess which person did not have the moral right to harass a cop, but got the SAB conservative sympathy??

  • David

     “to further escalate hate between blacks and whites, that’s race baiting.”

    And that’s what you do, all the time. 

    “Hannitized, Proofs obsession 1 day ago
    There should be zero tolerance for this sort of behavior by law enforcement officers.

    Unless the arrested citizen is black,”

  • Bat One

    Anyone who wants to know about “race-baiting” and playing the “race card” here at SAB need only look up above, read through the comments on this thread (hijacked by guess who) and see just whose comment took the discussion into the direction or race… yet again.

    Here endeth the lesson!

    • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

      I showed the contradiction between how you view black people when they are abused by police.  You call blacks racist, in that case.

      When it happens to a white person, everyone is up in arms and wants the policeman fired.  It’s a double standard you can not deny.

      Why is it OK for you to cry “black racism” when a black man is abused by a white policeman?

      • Bat One

        I am sorry, you self-righteous little race-bating turd, but you have shown no such “contradiction” at all, since I have offered no comments whatever on the Wahpeton incident between Officer Hill and Mr. Wanek.  In your adolescent obsession with race and racial politics, which is, pathetically, all you have to offer any discussion here, you’ve quite overlooked the reality that facts matter, and that you are nowhere near smart enough to get away with putting words in anyone else’s mouth, including mine.  And in this case, neither Mr. Wanek’s race, nor that of Officer Hill, is in any way relevant.  If either or both of them were black, the criticism would be the same.

        Perhaps you see yourself as some sort of racial victim.  That might explain your obsession with the subject when no one else much cares.  After all, in nearly every thread where race becomes an issue or a topic for discussion, you are the one that takes it in that direction… as you’ve done here, above.  But what I don’t understand is why anyone would go to all trouble that you do to foster the derision and contempt from the wiser and more reasoned elders here.  You put an awful lot of effort into making an adolescent fool of yourself.

        • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

          You can’t very well call a black person racist for being the victim of police abuse, Bat.  It doesn’t make for a very strong case when you accuse others of being a child for accusing others of racism.

          You said I have only race to offer…yet I offered this just this morning:

          Is it against the law to yell “fire” in a theater?  No, it is not. 
          Would you encourage your child to do it so he can video tape the results
          of his actions?

          I think this kid walked a very fine line
          between what is legal and harassment.  The kid was not accomplishing
          anything by telling the policeman he was doing an “investigation” on
          unwarranted raids”, period.  All he was doing was harassing a cop under
          the protection of the law.

          If the cop wanted to file harassment charges, he could and the kid would have to keep his distance. 

          The
          cop may have acted improperly in accordance to the law, but the kid got
          was he was looking for.   The kid was trying to instigate that type of
          response for notoriety.

          Because I call Rob and many others out on their double standards it requires the double standard be pointed out.  That the double standard always happen to include whites and blacks…it not my fault.

  • Bat One

    To be honest I hadn’t noticed your gibberish from this morning.  It is gibberish.  And I don’t pay that much attention to your comments in any case since so little of what you say is pertinent or interesting.  

    As for this: 

    Because I call Rob and many others out on their double standards it requires the double standard be pointed out.  That the double standard always happen to include whites and blacks…it not my fault.

    Get back to me when you can say all that – whatever it was – without sounding like a sixth-grade dropout.

  • OnwardUpward

    Sgt. Matthew Anderson…do you SERIOUSLY think someone can “GOAT you into a verbal altercation over the phone”? GOAT?? REALLY?? roflmao Here is some help…the word is GOAD. Jeesh, he isn’t much brighter than Officer Hill. 

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