Photo Evidence: Michelle Obama Keeps Socialist Books In The White House Library
Update: According to the Washington Post it was First Lady Jackie Kennedy who oversaw the placing of the books in the White House library, and they’ve been there since 1963. Apparently no administration since has changed the contents of the library.
So the guide I was with didn’t give me the whole story. Either that, or we misunderstood one another.
The Chairman Mao Christmas ornament, the Obama adviser who idolizes Mao and the nationalizations of the banks, car companies and attempted nationalizations of student loans and health care are all, unfortunately, still very true.
I arrived in Washington DC today to cover CPAC and since I was in town, and since CPAC doesn’t really get rolling until tomorrow, I tagged along with some Scott Hennen Show listeners on an extensive tour of the White House as part of the Common Sense Travel Club. One of the stops on the tour (which was wonderful by the way) was the White House library.
Now, according out the person who guided our tour, the library is stock with books picked out by the First Lady, Michelle Obama. Being a bit of a bibliophile, I started to peruse some of the books on the shelves…and lookie, lookie what I found (click for a larger view):
By itself, this wouldn’t be that big of a deal. But in the context of Anita Dunn saying Chairman Mao is her favorite political philosopher? In the context of the Mao ornament on the White House Christmas tree?
In the context of Obama’s economic policies?
Well, I’ll let you make your own call. Tags: Asshats, Domestic Issues, Politics
See the movie on George. I wonder when you hypocrites will finally admit that race played a very important part in getting unqualified whites into every college in the country, including law school.
Wee Willie Milli Vanilli: If you ever have an original thought of your own to compare it to, get back to us!
BTW, Your drama queen moment has past its two year anniversary!
Or is “done” yet another four letter English word that you are totally clueless as to the meaning?
Haha was this picture taken right before Secret Service tackled you for taking a photo in the White House?!? This is a big no-no unless authorized on a tour. Even when given private tours by White House employees you can only have your camera out when you are outside and in the EEOB, but definitely don’t even bring it out while in the White House. Crazy.
Rob,
Please post a list of books, the reading of which constitutes thoughtcrime, so we can identify the perpetrators in our midst. Good luck with your new position at the Ministry of Truth.
Too Late! We are well past the point when any rational individual would accept the idea that Jack 1 is simply misinformed. “Just plain stupid” works just fine.
I was going to write a scathing rebuttal of everything that’s just wrong about this post and its wingnut apologists, but I am only 42 years old. I gotta pick my battles.
When you mention ’socialism’, I wonder if you’re referring to the many elements of U.S. society that have been run, for a long time, on socialist principles. For instance, most people go to public school. How do you imagine that is financed? Similarly, a great many cities have municipal bus services, run by the city administration and financed out of the public purse. Additionally, a great many people live in public housing. Then there’s the very obvious example of Medicare. All these, and many other, aspects of U.S. life operate according to socialist concepts.
By almost any definition (except, it seems, an American one), this country is more than partly socialist. Really, the only major element in society not wholly socialist is the health care system. If it’s so much a part of our lives, why do people act and speak as though socialism is some kind of fatal disease?
You are confusing socialism with communism. The differences between them are so many and so huge that it would be impossible to list them even in a moderate amount of space. However, let me briefly give a few:
In a communist system, government operates unchecked and is therefore synonymous with the state; in a socialist system, the government administers the state on behalf of the people as the instrument of their will.
In a communist system, both the laws and the legal process are controlled by the state; in a socialist system, law is independently enacted and enforced, to ensure the state remains in the hands of the people.
In a communist system, the economy is entirely controlled by the state, since the state is the sole property-owner, producer and employer; in a socialist system, private property and economic activity are encouraged to the maximum extent possible, in order to ensure the needs of the people are met efficiently and fairly.
In a communist society, the survival of the state is, by definition, held to be more important than that of the individual; in a socialist society, the individual is paramount, and the well-being of the state depends on the collective well-being of its members.
To put it very simply:
In a communist system, to ensure the state survives, the state is the government, and the state controls the individual.
In a socialist system, the individual is the state, and the individual employs the government.
In other words, communism is a totalitarian system; socialism is a democratic system.
The two systems evolved separately from one another. In the main, the roots of socialism lie in religion, principally the Methodist and Presbyterian versions of reformed Christianity, and their traditional emphasis on fairness and a vision of the individual’s right to influence his/her own destiny. The fundamental ideal of socialism is the responsibility of all people to care for their neighbors.
Communism could not be more different from that.
He can hear words fine he just can’t read ‘em. That’s why he was always read to by an aide.
Prove what wrong? State your proposition.
You bring up an interesting point. I already know how John Kerry didn’t get in to Harvard Law, and had to settle for BC instead, but I sure would like to know more about Obama’s application and acceptance, and in particular who referred him and on what basis.
Of course, the public knows nothing about any of Obama’s academic career… or his early years in NYC and Chicago.
So, CoCo, you admit your “correction”, which you screeched was “the truth” is complete bullsh*t, and you admit you can not even use google to find out who actually operates the public portions of the White House. Good, admitting you are a mentally retarded monkey was the first step, admitting you lied is the second. Now, when mommy lets you play with the magic picture box again you can take the next and admit you are an enemy of America and all humans, just like your pal, e, here. She routinely, like you, screeches her hate for America, Christians, Jews, children, women, animals, men, you get the picture, she is like you.
My favorite part is how you are getting the sh*t kicked out of you in multiple threads, and you scuttle back to this one to wail&gnash your teeth, after it has been updated.
Oh, and whilst you are here, where is all your proof that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity, whiny lying c%nt? Or is the Inquisition all you got, c*nt?
Wow Jack, aren’t we misinformed. W was widely reported to have read at least one book a week.
I love the unintended comedy when the Hapless Honolulu Hemorrhoid Hannitized tries to convince anyone (starting with himself) that he is smart and the rest of the world isn’t. Too funny!
Socialist books are free.
You forgot about My Pet Goat.
And now CoCo: The Mental Retard, uses a different usename. Suckpuppet much, CoCo?
You should have seen her DVD collection. The only Hitchcock film she has is “Dial M for Murder.” “Dial M”!!!! His worst freakin’ movie…by his own admission!
You missed out Gummo.
Sorry you don’t understand sound reasoning. Learn how to do logic.
Rodney Graves is a liar.
Hell, if i could have gotten into Berkeley i would have. My LSAT was probably in the range, but much of my undergraduate experience was a drunken haze. My end GPA was respectable, but not good enough for Berkeley.
I went to OU because at the time I planned to live there and figured the state school is never bad. However life changes and I now live in Seattle. Go Sooners.
I am looking at LLM programs. I could probably get into Berkeley now.
Rodney Graves is almost as stupid as you. I graduated from OU in 2001 and i live in Seattle.
Do you have any other photos to prove it was in the White House?
How do we know this was not taken in his home library or other location?
Lookee! The mental retard monkey is still bashing its head on the floor, screeching lies, and crying now.Can’t even read whitehouse.gov, much less anything factual
Tell us, where did Jackie get that time machine?
No, actually mine are about the only comments that are about the actual subject of the thread. Admittedly, since the original post has been long since disproved and laughed off the stage, this thread has become a Seinfeldian thread about nothing and you are its Costanza.
Oh, and e, far better to be an alcoholic who quit than a methhead, like you. How do you make it to the end of the month, doing all that meth and only getting a welfare check? You still stealing from your neighbors?
Dee, you are reduced to the low level of nyah-nyahing about typos? Pathetic.
heeheehee. Looks like I hit the Daily Double today.
The poor little retard still can’t stop itself, how sad. Your mommy really should just unplug the magic box so you can get some sleep. Hell, even for a Democrat, you are f**ked in the head.
We know how Bush got in. George Smith would have never made it.
Another day’s laugh. Can’t look away from the mirror, can you, Coco?
Agreed. Ayers wrote Dreams of My Father, and the Audacity of Hope was a shameless copy of Mao’s Little Red Book.
Of course they are free, imbecile. No one would ever pay for one except the rare socialist idiot. Another failure of socialism, even the books about it fail to sell.
Example, Gores books sell a few thousand copies which never get read. Mark Levin’s latest book has sold over a million copies. Sarah Palin’s book is well over a million sold.
Yes, you are a monkey, a mentally retarded monkey which keeps bashing its head into the floor and screeching “I matter”, which only proves what a mentally retarded monkey you are. Guess that is why you are a Democrat.
And back to topic, how did Jackie put books in the WH library in 1963 that were not printed until 1973, 1978, 1984, and 1988? You are the one that screeched that correction, and it turns out to be bullsh*t. Why is that?
Keep bashing that melon head on the floor, CoCo, its fun to watch. And when mommy comes home ask her to show you how to use google.
Just popped in to let the stink out, and let y’all know you’re about as dumb as a painted rock.
“Ironically, I do not believe he was born in Kenya.”
How is that ironic?
What books can you confirm that Obama has read?
If you have those titles in your home, doesn’t it mean that you are a closet socialist. Or are you just curious and familiarizing yourself with the philosophy?
HAHAHAHA! You are the one that spewed that forth, tell us how Jackie did that. Enlighten us, retarded monkey. Continue to prove you just can’t walk away after f**king up so egregiously. I’m loving this.
And you, CoCo, are mentally retarded, that is most likely why you vote Democrat and spew anti-American sh*t. Now, respond again. Show us how you just can’t stop bashing your head on the floor, retard.
Good CoCo, bash your head on the floor again, good CoCo, screech “I matter!’ and then lick your ass.
Yeah. Wow. Three whole books that say “socialism” or “communism” out of 2700 or so, and historical works at that. Yep, that has to be a scandal. Even had these been selected by the current residents, they hardly indicate, even to the broadest stretch of imagination, an endorsement of the subject matter.
Stick to retail, son. With your sense of diligence, logic and research the “investigator” business is not going to be kind to you.
It’s not political correctness when the other side does it.
It’s being a real amurican!
(God, did you guys run out of straws to grasp?)
not subscribing to a site that prints this kind of nonsense. Wanted to remind our “bibliophile” that understanding other political and cultural systems is part of understanding the strengths and weaknesses of your own. Oh, and that the word ‘peruse’ means to read carefully. Your slip is showing.
Obunga puts up photos of himself all over the White House and orders that they be “updated” every week.
And people think defending Michelle’s embarrassment is going to get them any success, amazing.
Cutting taxes, so socialist, my god!!!
A daily response to you guys is good for a day’s worth of your lovable, laughable antics. Go CoCo!
Um, if it was an allegorical reference, it was indeed a crime.
If you don’t understand what allegory is, maybe.
I also wrote “Good luck with your new position at the Ministry of Truth.” Does that mean I believe there is, in fact, a Ministry of Truth, and Rob will be working there?
Stop embarrassing yourself.
Why are you once again in bed with the defenders of terrorists?
Rob, you have outdone yourself. Stupidest post ever.
I have a copy of Mein Kampf on my shelf (next to Winston Churchill, incidentally). Does that make me a Nazi? Boo!
I didn’t think it was possible for wingnuts to get any dumber, but you always seem to rise to the occasion.
“…more respectable than reading talking points from one’s hand…”
False! Reading a prepared script, written by someone else is far less respectable than speaking at length with only a few bullet points written on one’s hand. Like most lefties, you live in an alternate universe, where Karl Marx knew anything about real economics.
Go look up the actual law on citizenship. Even if he was born in Kenya he is a natural born citizen because of his mother.
You bore me.
Big Micah T,
I’m a troll? Good to know.
Wow, you’re a liittle confused, aren’t you?
Ah, look, the mentally retarde monkey, CoCo, is still bashing its head on the floor, and instead of screeching “I matter” it is now spewing lies. Is mommy going to mop all your blood of the floor? Or does she just let it dry there?
jack,,, l guess you are ready to give up your rights but most importantly your freedoms cause under socialism you will have neither. you called bush an idiot well,,, obama is not that bright
But…I don’t think being a socialist is a crime.
Btw, it’s amusing that a self-professed bibliophile ignored the obvious literary reference in my comment, choosing to treat it literally. I was not claiming you believe being a socialist is a crime (and no, we don’t actually have a Ministry of Truth). Buy hey, it’s only Orwell. Not a well known author or anything.
Zing!
Hey, they’ll make his documents available after they get them doctored to please everyone that has doubts!!
You’re a funny guy.
Maybe we should have a book burning.
Where is all your proof that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity, whiny lying c%nt? All you have to do is prove you did not say it, easily done. Why will you not do that?
And whilst we are here,where is all your proof that W had intimate, detailed knowledge of Al Queda’s operational plan and refused to stop it?
like i said, Rodney is almost as stupid as you.
Are you referring to the former president with a Harvard MBA, @sswipe?
Besides, there is no more reason to think Obama reads books, than there is to believe he actually wrote any.
I have some of these titles on my own bookshelf. But I’m not trying to run our capitalist economy into the ground, either.
Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer.
When Hannitized the Hawaiian Hemorrhoid enters the room, those numbers are single digit! Heh.
And before you start, Braindeaditized, I already looked at the majority of your comments on this thread and aside from vapid insults and ad hominems, you got nothin’!
Why don’t you take your mindless insults over to some Leftist site that could join you in your echo chamber?
Scroll up to the actual post, moron. Or is that too difficult for leftards?
And yet, CoCo, you can’t stop responding. Self-destructive masochism, I love watching you leftarded morons bashing your head on the floor, all the while screeching that you matter. Too f**king funny.
“Oh, and since you’re such a bibliophile, try figuring out what socialism really is. ”
Socialism is the State ownership of the means of production. It doesn’t take a “bibliophile” to know that.
Hmm … I don’t see a copy of the Koran in there.
Seriously, another Poutrage? and over this? LOL, you wingnuts are pathetic.
Eh, you probably thinking having read Orwell makes you some kind of intellectual.
No, and that’s my point. It’s a book nearly every high-schooler in America reads (at least they did when I was in high school), yet Rob takes me literally (“Hey wait! I don’t think be socialist is a crime!”), instead of realizing, hey, that might have been an allegorical reference.
Actually, it’s more like you are making faces in the mirror, like the chimpanzees in the monkey house, and we’re laughing at you from the other side of the bars. Go, CoCo, Go!!!
Yet another cowardly “progressive” determined to demonstrate that triple digit IQs really are disallowed on the Left.
I wasn’t aware of the US News rankings. I’m acquainted with two survivors of both, and they concur. The difference probably isn’t all that significant, but to label anyone with a Harvard MBA… or a Harvard JD… as illiterate is obviously beyond stupid.
Burn ‘em anyway!
Well, there’s the fact that he wrote to and that he is a Constitution Scholar. If that isn’t enough evidence for you, then you’re just closed-minded.
2hotel9, the gift that keeps on giving. Thanks, man.
We already had this conversation, you lost, now, where is all your proof that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity, whiny lying c%nt? All you have to do is prove you did not say it, easily done. Why will you not do that?
And whilst we are here,where is all your proof that W had intimate, detailed knowledge of Al Queda’s operational plan and refused to stop it?
Or, you could simply admit, again, that you are a whiny lying c*nt, and we could all move forward.
Numbnuts. And by your logic, Bush (with his horrible grades) could have only gotten in to Harvard because of his daddy’s money.
And yet you csn not stay away, sim,ply because of you self destructive masochism. That is sick.
Nice try, troll.
Ah. Is CoCo gonna cry now, while bashing its head on the floor?
hehehee. Thanks for playing.
must be a slow righty news day
Ah, a celebration of ignorance on the day CPAC also celebrates! I love it!
don’t you think you should update your story to reflect your mistake rob?
Bahaha. Enjoy. (Those of you with brains.)
http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/28715.html
Thank you. Obama clearly got into Law School because of his race, and President Bush got into Business School based on his own merit.
Anybody commenting here own Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism”? Because if you do, then according to the logic of this post, you are a “liberal” and a “fascist”.
All you have to do is prove that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity, as you have repeatedly claimed. Why can you not do that? With two words searched in google I could.
insane hussan can’t even read the words on teloprompter correct ,talk about illiterate
Where is all your proof that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity, whiny lying c%nt? All you have to do is prove you did not say it, easily done. Why will you not do that?
And whilst we are here,where is all your proof that W had intimate, detailed knowledge of Al Queda’s operational plan and refused to stop it?
Perhaps Michelle is a Star-Trekker. In that original setting Star-Trek is set in a socialist state after going through the third world war. If only Gene Roddenberry would be alive to comment on the current situation. Of course it would be a kinder-gentler socialism.
Now is not the time to have socialist ideology on view in “Our” White House.
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0185.shtml
The F-102 was a breeze to fly! I surprised you didn’t know that.
Bush asked about going to Nam and was told he wasn’t qualified yet.
Heh. Talk about not using one’s brain to think. Sounds like Wee Willie Wankertized is parroting something someone smarter than he (which could be virtually anyone!) was saying!
And you picked out those books yourself! I’m not sure what to think about you. A communist turned fascist like Mussolini?
He joined in May 27, 1968. His last official flight was on April 15th, 1972. He logged 600 hours of flight time and 336 hours of flight in the F-102. So he was on active duty for 2 years and almost 3 years in the Air Guard in active pilot status. Facts are easy to verify.
Give it a whirl next time.
Book burning?
Nah! Just an opportunity to publicize what Michelle Obama believes to be important reading material.
I’d be surprised if you didn’t.
But Mr. Bush, who is no longer President, released all his academic records. Obama has released nothing at all. And has in fact gone to extraordinary lengths to keep his records out of public view… including his two years at Columbia and the years intervening between Columbia and Harvard.
I suspect I know how he got in to Harvard Lw, and it wasn’t on the strength of his academic work at Columbia. Its the references I’m interested in.
Again, DKosKidd, I am laughing at you. Now, show us how smart you are by linking to answers.com or wiki, we love laughing at that sh*t.
Bubye, and please feel free to come back to SAB and spew your Democrat Party lies and sh*t, we will merrily kick your teeth in, again. And again.
So, Rob, how do you know these a Michelle Obama’s books? They could just as easily be Barry Sotero’s books, right?
Or just making things up.
“Either that, or we misunderstood one another.”
Either that, or you didn’t care about fact-checking and instead seized the chance to offer the world false proof of a misguided belief you already hold dear. Even if those books hadn’t been sitting there since 1963, it’s simply facile to assert that that anyone who studies these movements in history must be a socialist.
Oh, and since you’re such a bibliophile, try figuring out what socialism really is. You might find out about that in some history books — but maybe you’re afraid to own one. So here, have a gander at this article in Business Week. http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/may2009/db20090522_329825.htm
Ah, thats cute, SAb’s mental retardation posters kids are still hitting a dead thread. Bless there little hearts. Now bash your heads on the floor in tandem and screech”I matter” so we can all laugh at you some more.
Keep bashing your head on the floor, leftard, its hi-larious to watch.
So you believe a tour guide but not the President of the United States?
When I click on the image I get a “Forbidden” window.
Yeah John, its not like Social Security is broke or anything, right?
And yet…
…you can’t provide any factual defense in regard to the relevant argument.
Oh well…
Can’t answer can you? You just may be a big chicken rather than a monkey after all. Pathetic.
Come on, squeeze out a few tears for us, hairy backed Mary, I need the laughs between printer runs.
“How do you tell a communist? It’s someone who reads Marx and Lenin. How do you tell an anti-communist? It’s someone who understands Marx and Lenin.” -Ronald Reagan
Yep Bush was stupid that is how he won the election for two terms; his stupidity hit a nerve with the electorate . I just love people who call others stupid that have accomplished more in their lives then the ones doing the name calling could do in three life times. I guess it is something that can be traced to wanna be syndrome . It is time we got off of bashing Bush; it is old and does nothing to address our problems, it has become a smoke screen for the present administration.
Whatever, I have read the law. I have cited it numerous times on this website. There is notquestion what the current law says and they are wrong.
But don’t take my word (or theirs). Go do your own research.
No, I am laughing at you history revisionist idiots. Quite entertaining. Tell us, do you post idiotic crap like that over at DKos and HuffPo? How silly of me, of course you do!
What specific work on those shelves are you calling a Marxist work?
I hate the new posting system
RBB,
What a pity that Obama isn’t one tenth as honest about what he’s been doing to the nation’s economy.
Of course, to respect the free market capitalist system, you have to first understand it…something which is aparently above Obama’s paygrade.
BigMicahT, Richyyyyyy and Curious George W appear to be sockpuppets. This is Say Anything. Whoever you are, disagree with anyone you like, but pick one name and stick with it.
And all this time you thought you were stopping me, poor sad little retard monkey.
Noticed Saul Alsinky’s Rules for Radicals not there……….must be “checked out” for use and reference on a permanent basis?
Fat load a good his degree did this nation. Not worth the paper it was printed on.
He didn’t insinuate it, he said it straight out, a number of times. It’s usually in one of his anti-Israel, anti-Christian, pro-Palestinian rants.
He has equated Christianity with terrorism numerous times.
His most recent one was to name the Dominicans as Christian terrorists.
Yes, CoCo, we all see where you have changed your use name, thats called “sockpuppetry”, and you suck at it, hince the term “suckpuppetry”, specifically aimed at you mental retards from the political left who are so mentally retarded that you can’t even get that right. And you c**ksuckers started that sh*t, you mentally retarded monkey f**k.
The Say Anything Blogg is an embarassment to the State of ND.
http://ztruth.typepad.com/.a/6a00e00986be4d883300e552bb984f8833-pi
I see the DKosKidds are hitting again. Their blatant stupidity is at least entertaining.
Just. Can’t. Stop. Yourself.
What a sadly pathetic Democrat moron you are. And all the while, I move forward with getting the actual documents from Senate and House out to the citizens. You can’t censor me, you can’t stop me. Hell, you can barely entertain me.
i don’t know what you mean “by all accounts’. US News has the business school ranked 1 and the law school ranked 2. I don’t think that is a significant difference.
Damn it, I hate the blockquote stuff, I am not a good enough typer. Here it is again:
I have confirmed with Rob Port that Rodney Graves does not have permissions to track IP addresses on this blog. He used to, but they were apparently removed for actual abuses.
Here he was just bluffing, as if that could not be figured out for being entirely wrong.
Rodney is the classic bully trying to stifle opposition by intimidation.
I hope everybody on this blog sees this so they know that they are not being tracked. Not everybody is as give a $hit about who they are as I am and everybody should be feel free to comment on Say Anything.
Rodney Graves is a douchebag. This is not partisan. I thank Rob for his help.
And tell us how much you matter, we love laughing at that, too.
Read books? Maybe if they put the book on a Teleprompter!
BTW, these are history books, not how to books.
The Populist Revolt by Hicks is a well respected historical analysis.
The Social Basis of American Communism is not as well respected, but that is probably because it was written be neoconservative Nathan Glazer.
Maher described the shoe and how it fit. No none here has disputed him.
“insane hussan can’t even read the words on teloprompter correct ,talk about illiterate”
Talk about illiterate, indeed.
Bush went to Yale idiot. and barely at that. c/d student.
Sorry! “passed”
GW Bush is actually a voracious reader, he just chooses not to play that up. You can easily look it up, that is if YOU can read: Start with http://www.csmonitor.com/Books/chapter-and-verse/2008/1230/the-secret-literary-life-of-george-w-bush.
And the 2nd redirect for this thread http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/whidbey/wnt/news/49210617.html?dsq=12181336#comment-12181336
And we are laughing at you, mainly because your comments are entirely disconnected from the actual subject of the thread.
“Of course, Leftists come out of the woodwork to pooh-pooh the logical connection between the Marxist works on their shelves and the Marxist actions of those who — for now — own those shelves. ”
Who is Karl Marx? What do you know of his work?
Ah, poor little retard. Did Mommy forget to shut off the magic box when she fed you supper?
Socialist books in the White House library? A blog provides photo evidence but only part of the story
By Stephen Lowman
In this era of blog wildfires, one fast-moving flame can be quenched before it scorches the facts: First Lady Michelle Obama did not stock the White House library with socialist books.
The controversy erupted after a conservative radio host and blogger from North Dakota took the White House tour on Wednesday and spotted two suspicious volumes on the shelves.
Rob Port, 29, who hosts a political call-in show in his home state, was surprised to come across “The American Socialist Movement, 1897-1912″ and “The Socialist Party of America.”
He snapped a photo and posted it on sayanythingblog.com.
Under the headline: “Photo Evidence: Michelle Obama Keeps Socialist Books in the White House Library,” Port wrote that the White House tour guide said the library was stocked with books picked out by Michelle Obama. “Being a bit of a bibliophile,” he wrote on the blog, “I started to peruse some of the books on the shelves…and lookie, lookie what I found.”
Thus flame was ignited. The blog post quickly attracted over a hundred comments and was linked on many other sites.
“Surely this means that every time President Obama is in the midst of important policy deliberations, he goes into the library, dusts off The American Socialist Movement, 1897-1912, and uses it to help him figure out what the most socialist policy would be,” mocked New York’s Daily Intel blog.
Port, who was in Washington to cover the annual Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), said in an interview it is “never fair to judge a book by its cover” and that you can’t conclude Obama is a socialist just by the books in his library. “But obviously there have been question about the Obama administration’s politics. You see a few socialist books sitting in the library and, well, that fits in the narrative.”
The only problem is the books Port photographed have been sitting in the library since 1963.
The library came into being during the presidency of Franklin Roosevelt. In 1961, First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy asked Yale University librarian James T. Babb to oversee a committee that would select books for the library. In 1963, 1,780 were placed on the shelves.
“The White House library is a reference and recreational library for the use of the President, his family, and official staff,” wrote Babb in the forward to “The White House Library: A Short Title List,” a document from the White House Historical Association.
“It is intended to contain books which best represent the history and culture of the United States, works most essential for an understanding of our national experience. The collection has to be strictly limited because the attractive library on the ground floor of the White House has shelf space for only twenty-five hundred volumes. Authors, with few exceptions, are citizens of the United States; fiction and poetry by deceased writers only have been included.”
“The American Socialist Movement, 1897-1912″ by Ira Kinnis and “The Socialist Party of America” by David Shannon are included on that original list of books, along with books about the two national parties, communism and still others about socialism.
Babb told The New York Times in 1963 that there was “bound to be criticism” of the choices. “There will still be people telling us what should be in this library, but we’ll just have to be adamant,” he said.
It is impossible to know if the White House guide misspoke, or Port misheard.
“I guess if they have been in there since the 1960s then they have been there through several presidents,” Port said when asked about the discovery. “All I said was that our tour guide told us they were chosen by the First Lady. I thought the books were interesting in the larger context, but now I guess it is what it is.”
Two and I both told you the truth. If you choose to ignore it, fine with me. Your opinion changes nothing.
http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/2010/02/24/its-time-for-conservatives-to-stop-their-silly-and-counterproductive-attacks-on-the-obama-administration/2/ Moreover, anyone should have known that Nathan Glazer is in fact one of our country’s most eminent political sociologists, a founding editor with Irving Kristol and Daniel Bell decades ago of The Public Interest, and a man of liberal sensibility who used to write frequently for the anti-Communist magazine The New Leader as well as Commentary. At the time, he was among the first generation dubbed neo-conservatives, which he defined as referring “to the growing caution and skepticism among a group of liberals about the effects of social programs†initiated during the Great Society years. About his anti-Communism, there was no doubt.
As for Kipnis, he was a traditional scholar o
You know, Wankertized, if your stupidity wasn’t three times normal, one might deal with it in a single reply. You’re replying to a comment I made six hours ago and I’m obsessed?
You have more projection than a multiplex, Wee Willie Milli Vanilli!
So, based on the retraction/correction posted on the top of this blog post, and based on all the comments, I can only conclude that every President and First Lady since 1963 was a Communist, since they all allowed these nasty scary books to remain in the Library.
Here, CoCo, since mommy has refused to tell you how to use google I’ll help you out. http://www.whitehousehistory.org/
http://www.whitehouse.gov/about/tours-and-events
http://www.nps.gov/whho/planyourvisit/white-house-tours.htm
Now, if you can stop bashing your head on the floor and screeching you will be able to READ the actual facts about who decides what is displayed in the White House Library, and other public rooms. Or you can just keep screeching your lies. Choice is yours.
How did you manage to take photos in the White House? Isn’t it forbidden to take photos? Perhaps the Secret Service should investigate this blogger.
This is BS especially given your update that Jackie Kennedy actually stocked the library
This rash of sockpuppeting the leftie talking points and general nonsense is convincing evidence that this post hits an exposed nerve, don’t you think?
Nope, never posted there in my life. But, back to my question or can’t you answer whether or not you are equating communism and populism? Inquiring minds want to know.
You know that the DKosKidds can only suckpuppet and parrot Markos Moulitsas’ harebrained talking points. They don’t have the mental capacity or education for anything else. Perhaps a lrrp shpould be done to see how many other threads this “person” has infiltrated?
“And by the way, Hannitized, I corrected my post when it turned out I was wrong. Which is more than I can say for you.”
And we are still waiting for trannitized to own up to any of its lies. Why will it not do that?
Oh, and whilst you are here, where is all your proof that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity, whiny lying c%nt? Or is the Inquisition all you got, c*nt?
And you still have not explained how Jackie, in 1963, placed with her nicotine stained hands, books printed in 1973, 1978, 1983, and 1988 into thew WH Library. Why is that? Do you even know what the Kennedy Admin renovation encompassed? Or has mommy not googled that for you, yet? That magic box, its awfully hard to figure out, for mental retards who vote Democrat, at least.
Real quick…
Do you realize that calling someone a “sockpuppet” or a “troll” amounts to “Your compulsive use of the internet is worse that my compulsive use of the internet because you usually don’t look at this website”?
Is that really the argument you are going to go with after insisting the president is a Socialist/Marxist/Kenyan who hides his birth certificate, got into college because he’s black (which discredits his success in said college), reads from a teleprompter (like every politician who’s given a speech since the invention of the teleprompter–more respectable than reading talking points from one’s hand, by the way), hates America, is responsible for our current economic woes (absolutely hilarious, by the way), yadda, yadda, yadda…and AFTER all of that, your comeback is “You don’t normally comment on this website”?? Really? That’s it?
Furthermore, now that it’s been proven that these books have been in the White House since the 60s (not that there would be a problem IF the Obamas put them there), this entire thread is so sad and tragically funny, it looks like performance art. Bravo. Way to crash and burn with that knee-jerk reaction.
Obunga keeps photos of himself posted in the White House. They get replaced every week or so.
And people think MIchelle Obama’s library choices are embarrassing?
“Marxism is the most extreme form of socialism. You really don’t know that?”
Try reading history. And perhaps a little political theory. You might just discover the reality: Marxism is nothing to do with socialism. They are two different things. They have different origins. And, get this: Socialist governments are elected by the people. Communist governments are NOT elected by the people (with the extraordinary exception of Chile, Sept. 1973). Socialist governments can be dismissed by the people (just watch the upcoming election in the UK if you don’t believe it) in free elections. Communist governments can only be overthrown by force, because free elections are most definitely not part of their ideological plan.
Extreme or not, communism is no form of socialism.
That would be precisely one that’s been identified as being published post Kennedy — and that was the one on Populism. Are you equating Populism and Communism?
Look! CoCo, our favorite retard, toddles through again. What a sadly wasted life you lead, no wonder you are a Democrat.
And you will notice that e has ducked out, as she always does.
Panty twisting nutters crack me up.
And jack, bush said he read 3 Shakespeare’s.
Too bad he didn’t read the 8/6/01 PDB.
We already had this conversation, you lost, now, where is all your proof that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity, whiny lying c%nt? All you have to do is prove you did not say it, easily done. Why will you not do that?
And whilst we are here,where is all your proof that W had intimate, detailed knowledge of Al Queda’s operational plan and refused to stop it?
Or, you could simply admit, again, that you are a whiny lying c*nt, and we could all move forward.
No, I don’t live to laugh at you. That’s just a bonus of my day.
good point!!
Running in to the ground?
Like this?
or if the html doesn’t come through
http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-jobs-lost-in-the-bush-and-obama-administration-2010-2
Oh, and I am not “claiming” anything. You said it, repeatedly, and defended it, repeatedly. Now prove it, whiny lying c*nt.
“I never said Dominicans. I said Dominionists.”
Caught you, liar! You just admitted it.
There’s a sucker born every minute; I knew your bloated ego would trip you up.
I had questions about Bush’s early years in Houston or New Haven, but apparently once you turn 40 you are no longer young and irresponsible.
“Now, you’re just boring. Answer the question” Yes. You are a mentally retarded monkey and I greatly enjoy watching you bash your head into the floor and screech”I matter”. You have not a clue what books are in the WH Library and are too f**king ignorant to read what is there, even when repeatedly provided links and pics.
Now, keep screeching, and bashing, and I will keep kicking your teeth in. Because it is fun, and the more you respond the stupid-ier you look. I love watching Democrats, riddled with self-destructive masochism, bashing your heads into the floor. Please continue. And throw in some more lies. That sh*t is funny, right there.
AH! It learned how to cut&paste. Did Mommy help you with that? And you are still entirely clueless, screeching and bashing for my entertainment. Go ahead, respond again.
You are an old bigot who is out of touch. That is all I can say.
You disgust me.
“First: Marx was communism. These books are on socialism and populism. But nevermind that for now.”
Marxism is the most extreme form of socialism. You really don’t know that?
How do you know your hypothetical “desert nation” is “more comfortable” with theocratic rule if they have never tasted freedom and representative govt?
You sound like the Southern Dems who asserted that the slaves enjoyed the security of slavery, and didn’t really want to be free. Again, pure idiocy.
Again, the disturbing part is the books combined with the actions. Obama’s Marxism is ruining our economy and is producing social unrest and making us less safe in this age of totalitarian threats.
I have read extensively in Marxism and socialism, for the purposes of understanding the enemies of our freedom and economic choice. I don’t think the Obamas consider Mao, Marx, Che, Chavez and A’jad the enemy. They behave better toward them than they do toward real Americans like Republicans and conservatives.
Stop quoting other articles and go look up the law yourself.
You are a lawyer, right?
However, this is a hint for you on why the law suits challenging him are wrong.
It doesn’t matter what the law was at his birth, it only matters what the law is now. You can look up the law at his birth all you want, but it is irrelevant.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/shortstack/2010/02/socialist_books_in_the_white_h.html
Jim,
If the pussies you are familiar with really do “whine” perhaps you should try to hook up with Dino instead.
Where is all your proof that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity, whiny lying c%nt? All you have to do is prove you did not say it, easily done. Why will you not do that?
And whilst we are here,where is all your proof that W had intimate, detailed knowledge of Al Queda’s operational plan and refused to stop it?
I don’t believe you have even one of these books in your home. Think we’re sutpid?
Nutters crack me up.
An inordinately witless remark… especially for you. In the first place, I’ve already dismissed questions of affirmative action admission. That aside, since we don’t know whether or not Obama was an affirmative action admittee, his success doesn’t prove anything other than the fact that he was successful, and it can’t possibly prove that affirmative action does or doesn’t work.
Really? And exactly which conspiracy theory of mine are you referring to? Hmmm? Did I mention anything about a black Manchurian candidate, or any sort of socialist “great plan”???
I’ve already acknowledged that you are bright, and at times reasonable. But you are nowhere near bright enough to put words in my mouth, are you? Don’t try it!
Now… have you any actual documentary evidence that he graduated magna? His campaign website also said he was a professor in Con Law, and that has already been proven not to have been the case.
“Bush went to Yale idiot. and barely at that. c/d student.”
And yet, his average was higher than Kerry’s. Do you have anything other than lying smear, leftie?
Wow, what a bunch of morons. I’ve heard these sites exist, but thought it was an ‘urban fantasy’.
BTW – the books he objected to were acquired by a previous First Lady, Jacqueline Kennedy.
“You showed him!” is the same sockpuppet.
“Clearly, anyone who owns these books is a socialist.”
A false conclusion and an idiotic statement! It’s the combination of the presence of these books and the Obamas’ Marxist beliefs and actions that are disturbing.
Of course, you’re just trolling to disrupt a conservative blog, sockpuppet, so you don’t care about the truth.
It doesn’t matter what books Obama keeps in the White House, or who put them there, he is a SOCIALIST
By the way, the picture in this link is from Dec 2008, BEFORE Bush had moved out of the White House…just saying. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaytamboli/3115060340/
My favorite comment on the Salon debunking of Rob’s second most retarded post ever is the one entitled “he called himself a bibiophile” that starts “which he might think to mean that he likes to…” http://letters.salon.com/politics/war_room/2010/02/18/wh_library/view/?show=all
Way to go, Rob. You’re no longer just a local asshat. Now you’re a national asshat.
Hogwash. Obama was president of the Law Review at Harvard — that’s reserved for the best of the best. Even if he got in with an affirmative action benefit, he still had to be really, really good. And really smart.
“So you believe a tour guide but not the President of the United States?”
Since this President is a well-known liar, yes!
Thanks again for my daily dose of mirth.
Death rate Viet Nam 58,000 out of a total of 2.6 million who served, or roughly 2%.
Death rate F-102 pilots (peacetime) 5,250 pilots and 70 deaths means a death rate of: 1.3%.
So Bush Hid out in a job that was just as dangerous as serving in Nam. What a coward.
No, we are laughing at you. I keep coming back for the laughs.
Sweety? We already had the conversation, you lost. Now, whilst you are here pissing away time, where is all your proof that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity, whiny lying c%nt? All you have to do is prove you did not say it, easily done. Why will you not do that?
And whilst we are here,where is all your proof that W had intimate, detailed knowledge of Al Queda’s operational plan and refused to stop it?
Just feel free to post it here.
Ah, I quit playing slap the monkey down and now CoCo gonna pout. Poor little mental retard Democrat, America is going to f**k you all in the a$$, and we are going to enjoy it.
Tell us again, how did Dominioninsts cause the earthquake in Haiti? Cause that sh*t ain’t never going to be not funny.
Where is all your proof that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity, whiny lying c%nt? All you have to do is prove you did not say it, easily done. Why will you not do that?
And whilst we are here,where is all your proof that W had intimate, detailed knowledge of Al Queda’s operational plan and refused to stop it?
just more evidence our leader is a socialist. man you should be proud.
Fascism is the control of the means of production by the State.
Socialism is the ownership of the means of production by the State.
Communism is the most extreme form of socialism, in which everything, including the people, are owned by the State.
“In a socialist system, the individual is the state, and the individual employs the government.”
This is one of Marx’s Big Lies. Socialism runs counter to both individual freedom and ownership of private property.
And how would you know? We don’t have any grades from Obamao’s college work. I would be willing to bet that Dubya had higher grades than Obamao, just like he graduated from Harvard while Gore couldn’t pass.
Great. Let’s get specific. Which ones? Which ones were printed those years and which ones count as “Socialist.”
You missed some of the socialist-type books in the photo:
- The Populist Movement
- The Populist Revolt
- The Socialist Party of America
- The American Socialist Movement
and
- The Social Basis of American Communism
Where is all your proof that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity, whiny lying c%nt? All you have to do is prove you did not say it, easily done. Why will you not do that?
And whilst we are here,where is all your proof that W had intimate, detailed knowledge of Al Queda’s operational plan and refused to stop it?
W had a master’s degree from Harvard and a bachelor’s degree from Yale. He is not nearly illiterate. You listen to the Main Stream Media too much
What other books would you like to burn?
See, you can not help yourself. Mental retardation, the least of your problems.
The point is that this is not ’socialist/communist literatre,” but histories.
Hehe.. nice find. Maybe she bought them to learn what NOT to do with regards to economic policy. Ya, that’s it.
Even better, the Glazier book is by a famous anti-communist. So I would have to assume the author of this gossipy e-fishwrap is so uninformed he does not know that. Applying the author’s own standards (none) I would have to say that makes him a dirty communist loving traitor to the USA.
” his legal team is surpassing the $2 million dollar mark in fighting to keep this stuff under wraps.” [Citation Needed]
An allegory is the conveyance of a meaning through non-literally story telling, usually to convey a moral. Such as Aesop’s fables.
Notice I didn’t say what I wrote was allegory, but was an allegorical reference. There is a difference. Pay attention.
You just can’t help yourself, got to keep bashing that head into the floor, screeching your anti-American sh*t and crying. Please, pretty please, keep responding.
Looks like the DKosKidds are back. It was so much funny pissing in their faces before, now we get to do it again!
Juana,
I couldn’t care less about affirmative action admission to either Columbia or Harvard Law. That’s hardly reason enough to cover up fully 10 of Obama’s intellectually and politically formative years. They’re hiding someting far more serious than affirmative action.
How much combat has Obama seen, sockpuppet? Has he ever run a business or met a payroll? Obama has less executive experience than Sarah Palin.
No, you are not very bright. You can’t even use suckpuppetry correctly. Or prove that Jackie time traveled to put books printed in ‘73,’78,’83, and ‘88 in the WH Library, as you claim she did. What a sad little mentally retarded Democrat monkey you are.
And by “to” I meant “two.”
You know, for a bunch of rugged individualists, you guys really whine like a bunch of pussies.
Your performance on this thread well illustrates the age-old maxim, “Monkey see, Monkey do.”
You say potato…
To be honest, I still have my old copy of Chairman Mao’s little red book in a box somewhere. But as I’ve matured I’ve come to recognize that he wasn’t history’s only mass murderer with a cult of personality… only its most prolific.
I am also less tolerant and less constrained than when I was younger. The leftist dolt Jack 1 labels President Bush an illiterate above, although by all accounts the MBA program at Harvard is at least as intellectualy rigorous and challenging as the law school curriculum.
Besides, I’ve read Michelle Obama’s senior thesis. The innuendo is fitting.
9 more months to the election. 9 more months……
atease
Jack(ass)1
Bush was well known for reading a novel per week. I doubt Obama reads anything outside of teleprompters.
“Rope” is his worst movie. You are clearly a socialist.
We all know that Harvard MBA came as a result of W’s connections rather than his academic knowledge.
Don’t you mean propagandize? Because that is all this is because that is all Rob is capable of. Just a cursory look at what books these are it is apparent that this part of the library is historical and dedicated to political movements in US history sorted chronologically. As you probably know, but Rob probably doesn’t, there was a populist movement in the 1890s, a socialist movement in the 1900s and 1910s culminating with the socialist candidate getting over 1,000,000 votes, and a communist movement in the 1920s, 1930s and 1940s. Not all of these books are supportive of these movements, some of them are critical and some are just histories. I will bet that in the White House library there is a copy of the Federalist. Do you believe the President is a Federalist.
The sad part is that you probably don’t believe that there is anything wrong with having these books in the White House library or that there is anything inherently wrong with these books. You just hope it will be embarrassing to the President, when really it should be embarrassing to you.
This post is just typical of how superficial and lazy Rob’s typical analysis is. He could have pointed out what other books were on this shelf. He could have looked up what these books are about. But likes Pavlov’s dog he sees the words “socialist”, “progressive” or “communist” and starts salivating. He thinks he has this huge scoop when really it just shows how pathetic his analysis is.
Keep bashing your head on the floor, CoCo The Mentally Retarded Monkey, we are LOVING it, you stupid c*nt. I been linking this thread around, comedy f**king gold. Please, PLEASE, keep posting.
Obama’s so smart, he can’t even release any of the college work that he did, or anything he “wrote” other than a couple of autobiographies.
Fortunately, most of us live in a world where we’re allowed to have books besides the Bible and a sticky copy of “Going Rogue”. Maybe future Minister of Propaganda Beck can start a book-burning club in 2012…
When you’re caught lying, you go for your disgusting homosexual fantasies.
You admitted naming Christians as terrorists, liar! You got smacked with the truth, yet again.
I guess I believe in the innate goodness and redeemability of every man.
Shouldn’t your retraction be on the front page.
BTW my theory is confirmed. Everytime Rob Port seems like he is full of $hit, he is full of $hit.
What an amazing series of comments. To think our nation has such people. It’s a good think the internet is infinite. I hope our nation is as well.
Sorry Kenny, you’re wrong again.
Heaven forbid our president or his wife be literate.
Right. Wing. Nut. Jobs.
Just to point out, he had to show up for duty in order to sustain any risk. It’s been a while since anyone hashed this out, but wasn’t he AWOL from his duties?
Both populism and communism are founded on class struggle. There are certainly similarities.
Good grief.
He graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law, so whether he was an affirmative action applicant is irrelevant. In fact it proves that affirmative action works. He was top 10%. Other than that i find your conspiracy theories laughable. Do you really think that in the late 70s and 80s the socialists great plan was to create a black Manchurian Candidate. It is obvious how successful black candidates have been in the history of the US.
Mr. Men books don’t count
We still haven’t established how many of the books are actually “socialist.” Conservapedia, for instance, describes Shannon’s “The Socialist Party in America” as a “standard scholarly history.” “The Social History of American Communism” has been noted above to have been written by prominent first gen neo-conservative Nathan Glazer. Also to note that most of the books identifiable have publication dates ranging from the 1930s to the early 1960s.
Moreover, Mantis, you previously accused Rob of wanting to enforce the criminalization of socialism.
Actually, I said I wouldn’t be surprised if he wish he could. Saying something wouldn’t surprise me is not an accusation.
Not only does that show you don’t know Rob at all (and have probably never been to this site before),
Wrong.
it shows that you do indeed think that Rob considers thoughtcrimes to be real.
Does it? Let’s see what I wrote (I understand it may be too long ago for you to remember, and scrolling up is real hard):
But it wouldn’t surprise me at all if you did wish being a socialist were a crime, and I’d bet you would covet the job of enforcing such laws, were they to exist.
Hmm, “were they to exist.” I guess by noting such crimes do not exist, and saying Rob might wish they did, I was claiming that they do, or that he believes they do, right?
Which is it?
I’ll go with Option C: You’re a moron.
I see what you did there, you Leftard troll, by mentioning President Bush’s National Guard Service.
Looks like the WaPo is covering or are not very good reporters (equally likely).
In the photo is the book :
“The Populist Moment
A Short History of the Agrarian Revolt in America”
by Lawrence Goodwyn, professor of History, Duke University
Oxford University Press
384 pages; ISBN13: 978-0-19-502417-3ISBN10: 0-19-502417-6
Date of publication?
1978.
The book is a condensation of an earlier book, “Democratic promise : the Populist moment in America” published in 1976.
Sources?
http://www.amazon.com/Populist-Moment-History-Agrarian-America/dp/0195024176/ref=pd_sim_b_1#reader_0195024176
(check the ‘look in the book’- title page, and page back one page).
http://fds.duke.edu/db/aas/history/faculty/lawrence.goodwyn
(author got his doctorate in 1971).
http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/HistoryAmerican/CivilWarReconstruction/?view=usa&ci=9780195024173
(publisher)
http://lccn.loc.gov/75025462
(Library of Congress- source title)
We already had that conversation, c*nt, and you lost. Now, where is all your proof that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity, whiny lying c%nt? All you have to do is prove you did not say it, easily done. Why will you not do that?
And whilst we are here,where is all your proof that W had intimate, detailed knowledge of Al Queda’s operational plan and refused to stop it?
By learning the past we can address the future. Republicans refuse to look at the shadow they cast on this nation. Bush is so smart he wanted to privatize social security. can you imagine if he’d of gotten his way an 8/10th of the elderly pensions had been on the stock market in 2009 when the greatest economic crash this world has ever seen struck from new york.
Just. Can’t. Stop. Yourself.
What a sadly pathetic Democrat moron you are. And all the while, I move forward with getting the actual documents from Senate and House out to the citizens. You can’t censor me, you can’t stop me. Hell, you can barely entertain me.
Come on, CoCo, take a break from pounding your head on the floor and tell us how did Jackie put books in the WH library in 1963 that were not printed until 1973, 1978, 1984, and 1988? You are the one that screeched that correction, and it turns out to be bullsh*t. Or are you just here spewing bullsh*t, like you do at HufPo and DU and firedog?
Or will you stop being all “weeweed up” and admit that no First Lady puts them there? That, in fact, books in the WH Library are placed there by WH Staff in coordination with White House Museum guidelines? Hmmm, what do you say, CoCo? Gonna keep bashing your head on the floor?
And yet you can not prove it wrong. Why is thaty, lying c**ksucker?
To be fair, the only book we have confirmation of him reading is ‘My Pet Goat’.
So someone pointing out that you are factually wrong is “hatred for diversity in thought?”
Interesting that you would think that disinformation (otherwise known – sometimes – as “lies”) is “diversity in thought.”
Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!! President with a MBA…who destroyed the economy! God, you republicans are such retards.
Hey, Bat: Obama uses a teleprompter, goo goo goo goo, he’s a socialist, goo goo goo goo.
GWB was a Harvard MBA grad, USAF supersonic jet pilot and Texas governor.
Community agitating is not an impressive job history for elective office.
Well, since you decided to remove all doubt, what more is there to say?
Frankly I think they are both overrated. Being average at Harvard is not better than being excellent at most other schools. I better judge is how you got in.
I live in Michigan and just recently got an Enhanced Driver’s License, which functions like a passport, allowing me to cross the border into Canada. To get it, I had to show my social security card and my ‘long form’ birth certificate, which has both of my parents name AND the state where they were born AND their race/ethnicity, and this document is signed by the physician who delivered me. By this standard, Obama wouldn’t even qualify for an Enhanced Driver’s License, much less qualify to be POTUS. What’s he hiding???
Thanks for an enlightening and entertaining read! I was impressed to read that such a poorly thought-out blog post can receive such vociferous defence from so many nasty, angry people.
Incidentally, if you really believe that Barack Obama is a communist, you lack the most elemental understanding of political science.
“A false conclusion and an idiotic statement! It’s the combination of the presence of these books and the Obamas’ Marxist beliefs and actions that are disturbing.”
First: Marx was communism. These books are on socialism and populism. But nevermind that for now.
Since these are history books, doesn’t that make it less disturbing? They would detail the flaws and failures of those systems, and give understanding as to what not to do. I would find it more disturbing if someone was implementing so-called “Marxist beliefs” without learning anything about the history of such implementations.
It would be like a president trying to install a democratic system in a culture and society where any historical study would cause him to immediately conclude that it’s not a good fit. Say, like a desert nation that’s generally more comfortable with theocratic rule.
She’s obviously an awesome woman! Sense the sarcasm? What is the chap above talking about, by the way? I think he’s lost the plot!
I don’t. I blame you for your obvious stupidity.
Historical books about socialism movements, such as the books in question, are not “socialist books” any more than “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” is a “Nazi book.”
I believe the Mao lover was Anita Dunn (the lady with the weird tongue flicks from meth perhaps) and not Anita Hill the lady that made up the story against Clarence Thomas, Supreme Court judge.
amen,,,,affirmative action,,,,no doubt
Really? Including the ones published after the Kennedy Admin? Neat trick, that! She must have hired Mossad to pull that caper.
The sad part is you could have done this research yourself, but you thought you had a scoop and had to get it out immediately.
Lie in court, looking at your posts is extremely humorous. You are such a bootlicker and you obviously dream of going higher.
“Based on his race”? Are you kidding? First, when his Harvard application was released during the campaign it turns out that he did not identify his race at all on the form. He wanted to get in on merit, of which he had an ample supply because he was a top honors student. Once at Harvard Law he was elected President of the Harvard Law Review. Let me tell you something about the HLR. First, the invitation to join is made ONLY to the top students at the school. Second, being made the President of the HLR means he was selected by his peers to be the Editor in Chief. This is a much sought after, highly competitive position at one of the most competitive law schools on the planet. As soon as he joined the HLR he was guaranteed job offers. Being selected the chief editor means that every major firm in the country would have been happy to have him as an associate on a fast partner track upon his graduation. He graduated at the top of his class, and no, he was not simply placed there by virtue of his race. Law school exams are done anonymously, with only numbers kept secure by the Registrar to identify the students. In other words, his professors did not know which papers and exams were his. He achieved his heights based on merit.
His former professor, Lawrence Tribe, described Obama as the most impressive student and best researcher he’d seen in 40 years of teaching law school.
The evidence for Dubya’s illiteracy? Well, I wouldn’t call him illiterate, but I would call him based on my observations the most intellectually incurious person I’ve ever seen in a position of power in this country. He might have some native intelligence, but he’s never chosen to really use or develop it. He was notorious for not being that interested in books. He was utterly academically undistinguished, having never graduated with honors from anything in his life. He was at Yale as a legacy, and not due to his qualifications. He was throughout his academic career nothing better than a C or low B student, and this was at a time when grade inflation was taking hold in the Ivy League as a way to keep students from flunking out and getting drafted. Intellectually and educationally he doesn’t hold a patch to Obama.
As for Michelle Obama’s reading selections, I’ve never seen a more stupid conclusion than the one made here, that reading certain books means one must believe in the political systems they address. That’s just ignorant.
Yes, CoCo, watching you bash your head on the floor is entertaining. Do it again.
You’re a funny guy, Coc. I poke you once a day and you do your dance for my amusement.
yeah, I’m sure that’s how he made law review, too
Week before Thanksgiving. trannitized and boob jumped in it, too. And all she has to do is provide her proof that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity. Kinda doubt she can, google being so difficult for her.
Where is all your proof that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity, whiny lying c%nt? All you have to do is prove you did not say it, easily done. Why will you not do that?
And whilst we are here,where is all your proof that W had intimate, detailed knowledge of Al Queda’s operational plan and refused to stop it?
I thought liberals were all about political correctness, but here we are attacking someone over what books they own?
Than what is your point? That he possibly used connections to get into Harvard. As if that has never happened before.
Your bull$hit propaganda seems to be getting out.
This is very disturbing news.
Clearly, anyone who owns these books is a socialist. It had just never occurred to me how widespread the socialist reach truly is.
Public libraries, school libraries, history students, historians, history buffs, political theorists, political strategists, sociologists: This country is rife with filthy socialists.
Someone should start an organization. Perhaps call it the National Anti-Socialism Institute, or NASI (perhaps change the “s” to a “z” to give it a little edge?), and go around removing this unconscionable literature from our country in the interest of protecting and promoting our pure culture.
There’s also damning photo evidence that George W. Bush was a black nationalist: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jaytamboli/3115060340/
The conspiracy goes deeper than anyone can imagine
“You are the one that screeched that correction, and it turns out to be bullsh*t”
Show where I said that and, just for fun, why don’t you hold your breath until you can.
“how did Jackie put books in the WH library in 1963 that were not printed until 1973, 1978, 1984, and 1988?”
Way back up on the thread, I asked you which books those were. No answer. Let me help your “research.” Here is a list of the identifiable books in the photo, along with their first publication dates.
Democracy & the organization of political parties Ostrogorski 1902
U.S. Senators and their World Mathews 1960
The Populist Moment Goodwyn 1978
The Socialist Party of America Shannon 1955
The American Socialist Movement Kipnis 1952
The Social Basis of American Communism Glazer 1961
The Invention of the American Political Parties Nichols 1967
If you have evidence that the books on the shelves were printed after the above dates, please share.
” in fact, books in the WH Library are placed there by WH Staff in coordination with White House Museum guidelines”
Bingo!!! I think that’s likely how it works. Why didn’t you say that in the first place rather than engaging in two weeks of obvious trolling? I guess that question answers itself.
I love this blog.
The subject was discussed, correction made, and now we are just down to kicking you leftards in the teeth. Its fun.
You may quote as many theories as you like, but the reality is that communism is the most extreme form of socialism.
Most socialist countries, in order to have some economic viability(communism produces poverty and stagnation), have some amounts of individual and economic freedom, but that doesn’t make them representative republics.
By your theories, communist China isn’t communist, since it has some degree of personal and economic freedom for a select portion of the population.
Socialism is still State control of the means of production, although you have the Fabian socialism where only the major means of production are owned by the govt, and some private businesses exist.
The key difference is that it’s the State which makes the final decisions, whereas in the US, individuals make the final decisions. You are partially right in that we do have to “creeping socialism” through the central govt’s spending our money on vote-buying wasteful social spending programs.
We can vote out the politicians who support that, and return to Constitutional rule.
That is not possible in a socialist country.
“It’s not that she has socialist/communist literature, it’s that combined with her and her husband’s belief system and their running our economy into the ground that is important.”
It’s not that he has a moustache, it’s that combined with his pedophilia and his sexually abusing and murdering young children.
What? Can you clarify pls. Not sure what you mean there, but if you are defending President Bush then I support you.
Clearly you aren’t aware that “Dubya” earned degrees from BOTH Yale AND Harvard and he is the ONLY U.S. President to EVER earn an MBA. So, your comment about him being nearly illiterate only proves that you are either completely uninformed or just plain stupid. (Hint: If I were you, I’d claim to be uninformed.)
It’s not that she has socialist/communist literature, it’s that combined with her and her husband’s belief system and their running our economy into the ground that is important.
His restatement of Marx’s dictum, which was “when you spread the wealth around, it’s better for everybody” is what tells the tale. Marx believed redistribution of income was the way to ensure “fairness”. And so do the Obamas.
OK, if it’s of any help, this is the message
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You have posted nothing “relevant”, and whilst you are here pissing away YET MORE time, where is all your proof that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity, whiny lying c%nt? All you have to do is prove you did not say it, easily done. Why will you not do that?
And whilst we are here,where is all your proof that W had intimate, detailed knowledge of Al Queda’s operational plan and refused to stop it?
Or, you could simply admit, again, that you are a whiny lying c*nt, and we could all move forward.
“As for W being illiterate — he flew an F-102. With the possible exception of F-84s and F-104’s, it was a tough airplane to fly and you were either quick or you were dead. Mistakes get compounded very quickly at Mach 1 and W did quite well.”
This is the most genius comment I have ever read on the Internet. Thank you Move_Zig for your passionate defence of GWB’s literacy.
Wow, another epic fail spambot.
Bringing up WND as a reputable source has got to be some variation on Godwin’s Law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin’s_law
yeah, she’s the one that likes mao tse tongue…
Ain’t that cute!?! CoCo The Mentally Retarded Democrat has no ability to just shut the f**k up. Just like all enemies of the human race, you just can’t accept your inherent inferiority. That is why you hate America, Jews, children and women.
Now, change your usename again and continue to bash your mentally retarded monkey head into the floor. We are loving this. Might even combine your a$$holish stupidity into a couple of youtube videos. Make some money off your anti-American sh*t.
Please, respind some more, you stupid c*nt.
So Michael Moore is your source? Really, leftard? How about showing us Barri’s college records? Why have you refused to do that for 2 years?
But…I don’t think being a socialist is a crime.
Considering your implication that a owning a book means agreeing with its contents, and that you’re too stupid to even familiarize yourself with the contents of books you are demonizing, I doubt you think much at all. But it wouldn’t surprise me at all if you did wish being a socialist were a crime, and I’d bet you would covet the job of enforcing such laws, were they to exist.
I thought so.
I don’t know. You tell me.
So, were you equally offended when you learned that these books were in the WH when Reagan and Bush (Sr and Jr) were in the WH? Because if not, you show your petty hand and silly non-nonsensical arguments.
So let me get this straight: the fact that the Obamas have books on socialism in their library isn’t significant in itself – it’s significant because EVERYONE KNOWS Obama is a dirty socialist, redistribution of wealth, guilt by association, etc. In other words, if you remove the hyperbolic partisan assumptions people are trying to layer onto the administration, it means absolutely nothing at all. Right?
He was one of the lesser known predecessors to Harpo, Groucho, Chico, and Zeppo. He didn’t do as well because he insisted on keeping that beard, denouncing blacks as gorillas, and writing endlessly inane works without any reasoning or proof to back them up.
Um, if it was an allegorical reference, it was indeed a crime. ‘Thoughtcrime’ in 1984 was a crime.
Okay kids, when is a ‘thoughtcrime’ not a ‘thoughcrime?’ When Mantis says it isn’t!
I took it the same way Rob did. Please pardon us for not being mindreaders of the great and powerful Mantis.
“You just can’t help yourself, got to keep bashing that head into the floor”
Project much?
Since the White House prohibits camera’s or other imaging devices, was this picture taken with a cell phone? And if so, would the staff allow you to take pictures with a cell? Also, how many books are in the WH library? Do First Lady’s always select the books? Is there any evidence that Ms. Obama selected this particular book to be in the library?
All you have to do is prove that I said it, as you have repeatedly claimed. Why can you not do that?
Sorry Jimmy. It isn’t that cut and dried. There is too much stink where this issue originates, and Obama hasn’t helped it at all by concealing so much about his past, indeed, his legal team is surpassing the $2 million dollar mark in fighting to keep this stuff under wraps.
These are not the actions of someone with nothing to hide.
The everyday common citizen has to show something like a passport or a birth certificate simply to get a drivers’ license these days, but he can’t be asked to produce one to be the Commander in Chief of the United States?
I say let the suits continue and get to the truth. The truth isn’t arrived at by shouting down a questioner from the position of ignorance.
Don’t blame me for your inadequacies with the English language.
Look again:
If he was born out of the country, Obama’s American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.
Felching, Leftist Fuktard.
Is Obama brilliant or dumb? I guess we’ll never know since he is not likely to ever release his school records. Certainly that is very unusual as almost all people have to present proof of their grades and degrees at their first employments out of school. One can’t help wonder what he is trying to hide. Perhaps that is why he has never had a job in the private sector. I tend to believe like the brilliant line from one the Hitler paradies that ‘Obama flunked lunch’.
I posted all relevant info.
If you got something different post it.
Oh by the way Rob, congradulations. You made Gateway Pundit with your photo.
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/02/figures-michelle-obama-stocked-white-house-library-with-books-on-socialism/#comments
No Rob, I heard the tour guide too. She said, “the books are put in the library at the 1st Lady’s discretion. I heard it with my own ears!”
We’ll give JFK a pass though, he was probably wasted on pain killers for his back injury that occurred during WW2 when he allowed Jackie to pick them out.
Now, you’re just boring. Answer the question — which books on the shelves do you contend are “socialist” and “printed in 1973, 1978, 1983, and 1988″? or have a cup of you know what.
Not this one. He is hopeless.
Why are you providing that link now? — seems like you should have directed it to the original poster two weeks ago. Why don’t you answer my more relevant question, to wit– which books on the shelves do you contend are “socialist” and “printed in 1973, 1978, 1983, and 1988″? We can’t move ahead with your intellectual evolution until you do.
Rob doesn’t necessarily use his brain to think, but rather parrot what others who are smarter than him are saying.
When he does try to think for himself, if you can call it that, he usually fails miserably in an attempt to use basic logic or deductive logic.
“Him not to smart”!!
Gents (and for the oh-so-quiet Ladies) this may be indicia of a visit from the likes discussed here:
Trolls, Part IV – Infiltration and Disruption
http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/trolls_part_iv_-_infiltration_and_disruption
Believe it or not, the Lefties actually THINK about doing stuff like this and then do it.
Frankly, this sort of idiocy is unthinkable for Americans, who are not afraid of competing ideas.
Leftists on the other hand, react with fear and foaming rage at contradiction.
Hence trollage.
Tsk.
More childish insults from BATOne, where he uses profanity to attack his political opponents, instead of debate them.
The only @sswipe, here is you. Asswipe.
December 2008, the eligibility controversy in a nutshell:
http://www.bloggernews.net/118851
In March-April of 2009, the estimate was in the vicinity of $1 million US taxpayer dollars.
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2705/pub_detail.asp
Logic tells anyone looking at this objectively that it is nonsensical for President Obama to retain three law firms and to expend heavy costs of legal fees to hide records (some estimates are upwards of $1 million), unless there is something worth hiding from the American people.
Billing shown here:
http://www.therightsideoflife.com/2009/04/23/wnd-obama-campaign-paid-1-million-to-fight-eligbility-lawsuits/
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=93578
Another figure suggests that costs of defending the eligibility suits may exceed $9 million, outside of legal fees http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=95772
The FEC report also reveals Obama For America has spent nearly $9.5 million in the first three months of this year – of which $6,365 in legal fees paid by Obama For America also went to Oldaker, Biden & Belair, a firm founded by Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden.
And that left-leaning judges are using threats of sanctions to discourage the suits, rather than allowing them to be tried on their merits
http://www.wallstreetsurvivor.com/CS/forums/t/28515.aspx
By October 2009, the figure was reaching $1.7 million
Obama Law Tab Up to $1.7 Million to Prevent the World From Seeing Birth Records or ‘Real’ Documemts of Any Kind.
http://www.knowthelies.com/?q=node/4773
Here it is, four or five months hence and the nature of legal billing is that it does not go down, and certainly while suits are still active. They keep growing.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=99437
It is logical to conclude at the rate those legal fees have been running, the Obama camp is at, near or beyond the $2 million dollar mark.
All this begs the question WHY?
Other presidents release all sorts of background history during their candidacy — WHY is Obama, a year after being sworn in, fighting so hard to conceal the very proof of his eligibility to serve in the office of the Presidency?
You tell me.
And then you blamed everyone else for your own stupid conclusion. But, whatever you need to convince yourself that you aren’t a complete moron.
My goodness, the trolls are sock puppeting both her AND at Salon? Get a life losers.
And you have PROOF that she purchased the books herself and placed them there?
You obviously are not Say Anything material.
Or perhaps we think that one only has an argument of integrity when one makes an effort to be factual in one’s argument.
Pettiness is lying about things of no significance (a book on a books shelf! a tree ornament!). We are all entitled to our opinions. But really, of you wish to be taken seriously, use facts and not make-believe. Only people with serious and thoughtful arguments are taken seriously.
you say “It’s not that she has socialist/communist literature”. isn’t the whole point of this post to point out that she “has socialist/communist literature”? there’s nothing else here worth remarking on in addition to the fact the very basis has been proven wrong. idiot.
More obsession displayed by you. You post three responses to my one, almost every time.
You need a new hobby, other than me.
Why do you find it necessary to lie?
I never said Dominicans. I said Dominionists.
Here what others say about Dominionism and Dominion theology:
Dominion Theology
Dominionism
Dominioninsts/Dominion theology
Kazin splits the difference and understands populism as an “elastic and promiscuous,” always political language that regards “ordinary people as a noble assemblage” intent on taking wrongly appropriated power from self-serving elites. Michael Kazin
But…I don’t think being a socialist is a crime.
Just stupid.
I’m not sure how much of a fool I made of myself. The explanation, that the books were put there in 1963, seems strange given that at least one of the books in the picture wasn’t published until 1978.
Still doesn’t mean that the Obama’s put them there, but whatever.
The guy in charge of picking the books for the library for Jackie Kennedy said they’d “cause a stir.” I guess it just took a while.
And by the way, Hannitized, I corrected my post when it turned out I was wrong. Which is more than I can say for you.
Because you are drunk again.
Hotel is drunk again. Watch him rersort to threats of shooting people like he has done in the past.
He can’t help himself.
My the “guest” comments are breeding today!
Yeah, If the writer for the Post is correct, another Dem put then in the library…Kennedy.
Yes, they do have to resort to this kind of pettiness to feel good about themselves. And when they aren’t doing that, they are stalking you.
Watch your back.
And I said you had to prove it.
Sorry, memory isn’t enough. I want to read the comments myself and decide. Given your willingness to twist opponents comments on the same page, I don’t trust your word.
That you continue to refuse to provide a link lets me know you’re lying.
Now, just answer the question.
Mods — what’s with the troll-bombing here?
Are any of these posts under different guest names coming from identical IP’s?
Lie-in-Court wrote:
BTW my theory is confirmed. Everytime Rob Port seems like he is full of $hit, he is full of $hit.
You’d best save a roll of Charmin for your mouth.
BTW – How’s school? http://www.law.berkeley.edu/
It’s of no surprise the SAB audience remain silent on this issue, now that Rob has made a fool of himself, and as this post draws the attention of those who can actually think.
When intelligence in numbers enter the room, the SAB crow scatters for cover.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Dominionist and Dominican are COMPLETELY different. At the very least, you’re wrong about what he said. At the worst, you’re deliberately lying.
Sorry, I meant to say Rob. Typo, my bad.
Whatever, chimpy.
OK, so show me some of the comments. If E is saying Christians are using terrorism to force people to become Christian, show me.
I think any intelligent person understands that email notifications sometimes require a late response………..and a single response, at that.
You, however, are completely obsessed with me, and must reflect on all of your collected data, quotes, personal history every time I make a comment about a subject.
What you display is clearly defined by the definition; cyber-stalker.
Prove it.
Show your work.
Olsen’s Standard Book of British Birds [the Expurgated Version]
Little G’s run to the rear surely shamed his father.
Imagine the taste in the hero’s mouth arranging
a safe berth away from the fighting for his son.
Awww, you mean the one I posted in full that had no useful intelligence in it and was a simple “this is what he’s done in the past”?
I’m impressed Boob. Heaven forbid Reality intrude on your worldview.
In your drunken stupor, you only see what alcohol want’s you to see.
You should see what he and his fellow Hawaiian hate mongers use the R&R section of Craigs list for, it’s quite a peak into what passes for thought processes, when you suffer from a severe case of island fever.
I’m sorry, but we can’t let you come out and babble until you’ve done your homework. Once again, what books do you claim were “printed in ‘73,’78,’83, and ‘88″? No banana until you answer.
Psst.
Hey Lie-in-Court,
How’s school? http://www.law.berkeley.edu/
Well, at least you didn’t call me a dumm dumm poopy-head…
But that still doesn’t address the Berkeley Boalt Hall IP.
Could it be that you are a Leftist law student at Berkeley, and all the rest you’ve been feeding us is BS?
Sure seems that way.
wow 5 or 6 books out of how many hundred. stupid post
Point to my comments. Link them.
It should not be that hard.
Come on be a man instead of a lying vagina.
Show us proof of what you are claiming.
I mean really, Mantis, all you can muster is ‘yer stoopid’?
Come on be a man instead of a lying vagina.
Show us proof of what you are claiming.
hes a citizen. if he wasnt the clintons would have figured it out A LONG TIME AGO. MOVE ALONG PLEASE.
Huh?
The only thing you caught, is my meat cigar with your lips.
Come on be a man instead of a lying vagina.
Show us proof of what you are claiming.
Obviously you can’t read. If I’m mistaken in that assessment, please take a deep breath, hold it, and then read my 2nd to last response to you. When you have an answer, you may exhale. Until then, keep it shut. Thank you in advance for adhering to these instructions.
That’s how life is.
Fascinating how the lefty sock-puppets have suddenly descended on this thread. Almost as if it was a coordinated effort, but as we all know lefties are very uncoordinated. Must be one of those Pelosi style spontaneous things.
If he was born in Kenya of a Kenyan native and a US woman, he would not automatically be a US citizen. Sorry, you can run circles around this, but the fact remains, he WOULD NOT be a US citizen be default.
Ironically, I do not believe he was born in Kenya. But your idiocy in claiming he’d be a US citizen anyway is not based in fact,
wow
I actually can’t believe they let you take the picture. Good job. Why am I not surprised.
I’m glad you’re finding satisfaction and a sense of usefulness in whatever it is you think you’re doing.
The word is by. George Bush just wanted me to tell you.
You lie with every breath and keystroke.
Why should I start believing you now?
Of course, Leftists come out of the woodwork to pooh-pooh the logical connection between the Marxist works on their shelves and the Marxist actions of those who — for now — own those shelves. Ye shall know them by their fruits, and it is abundantly clear that Obama is a hard Leftist, has married a Leftist, was nurtured by Leftists and surrounds himself with Leftists.
This is not the library of the S-2 (intelligence section) wherein those who study the enemy, study the works of the enemy to better know them, so that they might better defeat them.
As for W being illiterate — he flew an F-102. With the possible exception of F-84s and F-104’s, it was a tough airplane to fly and you were either quick or you were dead. Mistakes get compounded very quickly at Mach 1 and W did quite well.
But Leftards always lie about those they fear the most. What Conservative have they NOT attacked as stupid or evil?
“Made up the story”? Didn’t realize egregious sexual harassment was a story, I thought it was a crime. Thanks for the enlightenment. And it’s Supreme Court Justice, not “judge.”
HEH, I’m wondering if getting hooked on pain killers due to a back injury just became hip with the left!
Moreover, Mantis, you previously accused Rob of wanting to enforce the criminalization of socialism. Not only does that show you don’t know Rob at all (and have probably never been to this site before), it shows that you do indeed think that Rob considers thoughtcrimes to be real.
Which is it?
“We” never had a conversation.
What do you gain from lying?
I’m a generous guy — I’m willing to give up five minutes a day to educate you despite your fierce resistance. Step 1, is for you to answer the question — which books on the shelves do you contend are “socialist” and “printed in 1973, 1978, 1983, and 1988″? In the real world, as opposed to inside your fevered “mind”. As I did previously, I will help your “research.” Here is a list of the identifiable books in the photo, along with their first publication dates.
Democracy & the organization of political parties Ostrogorski 1902
U.S. Senators and their World Mathews 1960
The Populist Moment Goodwyn 1978
The Socialist Party of America Shannon 1955
The American Socialist Movement Kipnis 1952
The Social Basis of American Communism Glazer 1961
The Invention of the American Political Parties Nichols 1967
Greg,
Let’s also let the readership know about one of the particularities of the F-102 that made it such a dangerous aircraft to fly.
During take-off, it had a nose-high attitude, which cut off a great deal of forward view. Many aircraft have had this problem (the Spirit of St. Louis for one, and the F4u Corsair for another) but this wasn’t the worst of it.
The steep angle of attack, that is the angular difference between the flow of air across the wings and the wings themselves, made low-speed handling very dangerous, especially at take-off (when there is no room to recover) The aircraft would stall and invert, or roll on its back. When the bird does that, you’ve got no place to go because if you eject, it’ll auger you into the Earth below. Of course, you’re going to die anyhow, since you’ve in the midst of several tons of aircraft aluminium and steel and highly-volatile JP4 jet fuel.
While most would agree that it was underpowered, a lot of pilots still liked the aircraft and felt it was a good airplane in its day. It would be redesigned to such an extent that they didn’t call it a modification but a completely new aircraft, the F-106 Delta Dart.
http://vietnam.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/f102deltadagger.html
http://www.aviastar.org/air/usa/convair_dagger.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JP-4
The F-102 killed a lot of pilots.
Now tell me.
If you were a stupid person, could you keep surviving take-offs like this, again and again, day and night, rain or shine?
HINT: No.
Can’t back up anything you say with a scintilla of proof can you? Come on, just one tiny piece of evidence to back up one assertion in your last post. There’ll be a banana in it for you if you can.
He already indicated that he was very BUSY today. And had you not done YOUR RESEARCH YOURSELF you might have known that. Epic fail on your part LC, no cigar today.
Lie-in-Court,
There is so much about how and what you write that conflicts with your cover story that it just doesn’t ring true. For instance, many of the things you write and say about the military sound completely made up. Additionally, I have trained with every branch of the service and conducted joint operations with several foreign military organizations.
In NO American military outfit did I get your kind of anti-US military, pro-homosexual, pro-Communist vibe. Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines. Heck, I even touched base with Coasties.
Non of them espoused the filth you spew out.
There was ONE former drill instructor who hated the Marines with a passion, Seems he had been ridden out on a rail for one reason or another.
There was ONE foreign military type who espoused your Leftard BS, and that was in Norway, where service was obligatory. He started spouting his Leftard swill and because we had formed friendships with the rest of his outfit, they quickly set about the task of kicking his Marxist butt.
You wanted some information, and just tried to nag me for it. It seemed completely beyond your capability to conduct an internet search. Intelligence officer? I think not.
If you served, my guess is that you were what in the service is known as a shitbird.
That much is plausible.
When folks serve and they do well, they sound pretty much like the likes of 2H9, Greg, Chief, Will, Nieman and a couple others. They served and there is indicia that they served within their posts.
I don’t see that indicia in your postings.
I see Leftist. I see homosexual or perhaps a bisexual. I see someone who toes the Leftist party line insofar the US military and its deployment is concerned.
Bottom line is, I think you are a liar.
That’s why I would believe Rodney over anything you had to say.
Rodney can be boorish and rude, but I do see intelligence in him, something that I don’t see in you. If you are, in fact, a member of the Bar, God help your clients is all I can say.
Dear God, the trolls are still dragging this one out?
I find it hard to believe that this single thread, that’s not terribly interesting at that…has brought in this many new commentators who ALL have the same thought process. Either it’s a blog bomb from a leftist site…or MASSIVE amounts of sock puppeting. Or both.
One of the visiting trolls posted:
“Either that, or we misunderstood one another.” [quoting Rob, I believe]
Either that, or you didn’t care about fact-checking and instead seized the chance to offer the world false proof of a misguided belief you already hold dear.
Oh lecture us, oh Great Fuktard, about accuracy and truth in Media. I don’t think Rob intentionally gets anything wrong, unlike the MSM who have graced us over the years with exploding side-saddle gas tanks, No Gun Ri, Tailwind, Fake-but-Accurate TexANG memos, and AGW…. and those hits just keep on comin.
It could just as likely be that the tour guide spoke truthfully and accurately and the WH is now engaged in Damage Control.
But getting back to you Leftiists…
The Left LIE as their modus operandi.
It’s what they do.
It’s what they always have done.
The most truthful statement made at Obama’s State of the Union address was YOU LIE! and it was proven that that statement was correct.
Nice try.
Find it yourself, lazy American.
The first lady is in charge of picking the books for the library per our tour guide today.
Ron, I would like to add two points of clairification.
1) Reread the WP article. It says “The library came into being during the presidency of Franklin Roosevelt. In 1961, First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy asked Yale University librarian James T. Babb to oversee a committee that would select books for the library. In 1963, 1,780 were placed on the shelves.”
A committee selected the books, not the first lady. It was Babb who oversaw the committee, not Kennedy. It might help to clarify your first paragraph more.
2) The book you mentioned as being published in 1978. You must be under the impression that books are never added or subtracted over the years. Seriously, you think that the WH left an entire book selection from 1963 without changing it at times?
I could not find anything.
Please assist.
Why are you engaging the blog idiot?
Not just funny.
He is a self admitted alcoholic.
I have to agree (grudgingly) with Lioncourt on this one. I myself own copies of “The Communist Manifesto” and “Das Kapital volume one” by Karl Marx. For that matter I also own a copy of ‘Mein Kampf”.
What are you talking about?
I’m not sure if that’s a compliment, Mr. Sockpuppet, but will accept it gracefully.
You ever been to flight school?
Ever figure out all the math and science related to figuring out the flight characteristics of your aircraft, navigation, fuel consumption and that sort of thing?
http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/is_obama_biden_the_first_presidential_ticket_in_history_with_no_military_ex/#comment-19103625
http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/bush_piloted_f_102_fighters/
http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/bush_volunteered_for_combat_duty/
You don’t get to fly F-102s for a couple years and live while being stupid.
Bad things happen real fast at Mach 1 and stupidity has a way of thinning itself out in that kind of environment.
It’s easy to be snide, when you don’t know what you are talking about.
So, the sockpuppet convention decides to convene at Say Anything!
Welcome!
Lie-in-Court,
A self-appointed political commissar to ensure the Party Line gets brayed loudly here on SAB.
But Lie-in-Court is well-named.
He knows nothing of Obama’s qualifications because only a very small, select few know the truth about Obama’s qualifications.
Oh, missed one.
Rule 4: If you’re going to be “new”, don’t point out that you know the regulars. It gives you away.
Way to go trolls.
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Rob,
Have you considered the possibility that the tour guide (now probably TOAST) was right, that you quoted her correctly, but the subsequent explanation is spin / damage control?
I can see how you would deem it prudent to make a correction, using the official WH explanation, but considering the track record of the WH occupants in the field of truth versus lies (CSPAN, etc… ) my guess is that the tour guide was correct when she first spoke.
I agree he reads books. How otherwise would he say they “speak Austrian” in Austria. He must read non-fictions about the number of states in the US like 57 and he will see one more.
I personally liked Mr. Bush and I think you like President Obama. Nothing wrong with it.
An allegory is the conveyance of a meaning through non-literally story telling, usually to convey a moral. Such as Aesop’s fables. That doesn’t apply to you.
You simply made a reference to a decent book as an insult.
Understand the meanings of words before you use them.
He is not in bed with anyone.
Especially not with me.
He want’s to know the truth.
Can you deliver?
Interesting subject here. However, I personally feel there’s nothing wrong with having certain books in one’s library. When I was 12 I lived on Minot AFB, at the base library was the collected works of Karl Marx. That doesn’t mean that the people at Minot AFB were a bunch of commies. I myself own a few of Marx’s books, I also own Hitler’s and Mussolini’s works. On the other side of the spectrum I own Clinton’s and Obama’s books. Not because I believe in what they write but because I want to know exactly what it is they believe. You can’t attack ideas unless you are ware of what those ideas are.
If people want to accuse Obama of having socialist ideals go ahead. Their’s ample evidence. You don’t need to rely on what appears in his library.
Cool! Hit national mention a-gain.
Wonder if that tourguide is TOAST right about now.
Way to accept responsibility, dipsh@t!
Ah yes, the famous “I’m rubber, you’re glue” riposte. Well played old bean.
Heh, that’s the third time the folks at Sadly No have targeted me with their special brand of hatred for diversity in thought.
Always makes me chuckle, though I’d note that I don’t work at Home of Economy any more and that the North Dakota state fair is actually held in Minot. So i’d hardly need to drive “100 miles” to it for a deep-fried snicker.
And I actually met Kathryn Jean Lopez from National Review here at CPAC and I showed her that picture of me with a photoshopped picture of her on my wall as a poster (over the top of the Thomas Jefferson poster that actually resides there) and we had a chuckle about it.
honest rob, this photo could have some wings to it and last. NICE WORK!
I’m not sure a retraction is in order here.
Back when I lived in the DC area, the WaPo was commonly known as Pravda on the Potomac
Rob reported what he saw and heard first-hand. The WaPo, it can be certain, is aiding and abetting the WH damage control effort.
It is sufficient that Rob adds notice of WaPo’s version.
The Leftist press is not known for extending the same courtesy to those they have reported on.
Okay Leftard trolls,
Your scoffing at:
… there being a (scoff) Socialist (rolls eyes) plot by a (air quotes) Left-leaning administration (snort) is preposterous. Really, you Right-wing whacko-paranoids have your tin-foil hats on too tight. …
is duly noted.
How come I am reminded of the Italian husband, caught in flagrante delicto — naked, in bed, on the down-stroke, with a similarly naked female, by his wife — who jumps out and blusters:
Who-ah you gonna believe-ah. ME, or you-ah lyin-ah eyes?!
Thank you for insulting our intelligence.
We’ve looked at Obama’s part, be it his deep involvement with ACORN, Ayers, Dohrn, what he has said and what he has done and how he has voted, and particularly what he has been doing and saying over the last year.
The man is a Communist. He hates America. He hates White folks (see e.g. Rev. Wright) and his every action has been to weaken America while kow-towing to our enemies and 3rd-rate nations.
The books and ornaments aren’t so much our primary proof.
We’ve got tons of that already.
They’re just further confirmation.
Now exfiltrate back to HuffPo and DailyKos from whence ye came.
Shoo.
If you enjoy a** f*****g, you’ll have to find another partner. Sorry.
At any rate, this thread is a month old today so I’m dropping out. I’m sorry I never got to see your answer to my question regarding which socialist books Michelle Obama put on the White House shelves, but I’m not too surprised.
Bush would have at least been amused properly by the lines in Screamers as a parody of Gloucester’s in Henry VI, Act 5, Scene 6.
You, you’re sitting there going “Hurrrr… He said ‘men like you assh*le!”
Do us a favor and get back to us when you get back to the same reality as the rest of the human race, because clearly you’re not there right now.
“The only problem is the books Port photographed have been sitting in the library since 1963.”
I think the worry on that side is that the carefully crafted facade of Obama is falling away at an alarming rate (alarming to them anyway). While conservatives knew all along what the Obamessiah was all about, those that voted their feelings rather than reason have begun to have the scales removed from their eyes. This is certainly not in and of itself damning evidence, but coupled with the many other things that have come to light and the continuing tone-deafness of the administration it is leading to Obama’s mask being stripped away completely. Once that happens, it will not be happy times for Democrats.
For a little perspective. The WH had school children throughout the US make Christmas tree ornaments for the WH Christmas trees. The First Lady did not decorate the trees, nor did she select the ornaments. Should the Mao ornament be on the tree? No. But to imply that there is a socialist plot to worship Mao in the WH is beyond comprehension.
This kind of stuff is petty. Seriously. Are conservatives so desperate that they have to resort to this kind of pettiness to feel good about themselves? Sure seems like it.
Concern yourselves with relevant matters. It isn’t as if there are not enough serious and meaningful issues for all of us to discuss, regardless what side of the isle we sit on.
LOR,
We’ve been getting a lot of visits by Leftist trolls, so if your intentions are at least neutral, forgive me if I have short patience with what has been a fraudulent bit of Leftard deception propaganda for some time. No doubt, to see if they can short-circuit the clear advantage of having served the country honorably in wartime when Clinton so very clearly cut and ran, and where Kerry lied about so much about his service and most heinously, about the supposed war crimes of US servicemen.
But to humor you, here’s the dope:
In the future, do your own research and report back to us.
I’m assuming your machine has a search engine as well.
Taken from the bookshelves of anyone else I would say that the person is a student of failed ideologies. Taken from their bookshelves and given their behavior to date, I would say they are instruction manuals.
Most F-102’s that crashed did so in combat, something that W never saw a day of.
Where is yor evidence that GW Bush was illiterate and what makes you think that Barack might be more intelligent… he might have gotten into law school based on his race…
Crowd, not crow.
Some tips for sockpuppeting:
1. Don’t create them all at once. 30 people popping up out of nowhere to disagree is suspicious.
2. Be current. It’s unlikely they’d all find this older thread passing through,
3. Talk differently. If calling people gay is your schtict, it gives you away when all of the other “new people” do it too.
In short, if you’re going to take the time to spam us with your one thought in your head over and over and over again, at least be less obvious about it.
It’s a shame.
Rodney tells us that your IP is from Boalt Hall at Berkeley.
How do you manage that from Seattle?
Been busy at CPAC today, Stevie, but I just saw the Post story and I updated my post accordingly.
I think I hear a chicken clucking.
Drunk again, huh?
Lay off the bottle.
Eh, you probably thinking having read Orwell makes you some kind of intellectual.
The word ‘thoughtcrime’ has passed into the everyday lexicon.
Get over yourself.
Link?
It is between your mothers legs.
Sorry you are drunk and can’t see it.
Remember several times that Dem congress persons complained that Bush tricked them. Bush must have been smarter than the Dems to pull that off.
I’m sorry but it looks like you have not been able to comply with my request that you present a scintilla of rational argument on your behalf. Please come back only if and when you are able to do so. Thank you.
There is nothing serious, or thoughtful, about what Rob presents as original thought.
This site is nothing but childish pettiness at it’s best.
I wouldn’t dream of stopping you.
Exactly, exactly, exactly.
My sentiments……exactly.
You keep saying this. Where did E ever insinuate that Christians use terrorism to force people into Christianity?
OMG!!! A LIBRARY in the White House!! The Obamas MUST have put the library there because real Americans don’t READ!!!
The left is starting to lose it big time! They see their ship is shinking fast.
Made Fox news: http://www.thefoxnation.com/culture/2010/02/18/books-socialism-white-house-library
Heh, that’s all you got?
What do they use it for?
Don’t hold back. Tell us, link us, do something.
See above.
Yeah, well give Rob the same punishment visited upon Rangel for all his breaches.
Isn’t it like a Statist to use the instrumentalities of the State to quash dissent.
“we all see where you have changed your use name”
You really aren’t very bright are you?
No, he is not!
Why don’t you take a break to regain your composure.
What part of “Find it yourself” did you not understand?
Point to my comments. Link them.
It should not be that hard.
Yeah. And the Mao Christmas ornament was just a piece of art.
There.
Fixed it for you.
At least we have a president who reads books. That’s a big improvement over the nearly illiterate Dubya.
“Being a bit of a bibliophile”
Rob admits to being a bibliophile. I hope he doesn’t get caught in one of those stings NBC likes to do!
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